Here we go, Suruga Devil is the arc that come to me at the time I struggled in my first few years of adulthood, when i couldn't decide what I did is right or wrong, what i will have to do in the future, what I could believe in. It all come to right places after I heard Araragi quotes: “Many people will have lots of different opinions on what you did. There will be those who will say you did the right thing, and those who will say you were wrong. You shouldn’t pay attention to them. Don’t worry about what they’ll say. What you did was neither the right nor wrong thing. You were just spending your youth.”
Highly highly underappreciated part, one of my favorites for sure. Nice to see it finally getting a CZcams analysis. Hope this video helps Monogatari "fans" to appreciate this arc more.
Bit late here, but amazing video. This arc really is Monogatari’s most criminally underrated instalment and a personal favourite of mine. Its messages that you went into here just really resonated with me.
Can't wait to watch this video once I'm home. I saw the Name Kanbaru Sugura and immediately knew "Yeah, I definitely won't which this while sitting in study hall lol"
I want to quickly thank you for getting me into this series. I've been subscribed to you for your Higurashi and Umineko content, but when you posted this video and stated that Monogatari is your "favorite anime series of all time," I felt like I was missing out. Now, I just went through the entire anime adaptation, and I totally see why it's your favorite (I absolutely loved it as well)! I am now planning on reading through the light novels! Also, thanks for shedding a bit more light on this arc for me. I didn't appreciate it as much as you did when I first watched it, but you opened my eyes a lot more with this video. Generally, I hope reading through the novels will help me appreciate the series a whole lot more! Keep up the good work!
I love coming and watching your videos after finishing arcs… You always help me understand in such a new and helpful way, I really appreciate how articulate you always are!!!
Wow I'm trying to find every week new monogatari analasys on YT but for some reasons this one did not show up in my lasts YT research. Glad I found it thanks to some google researches. Morever you did a very great job. There are not a lot of videos based on Kanbaru or Hanamonogatari so it's even more satisfacting to watch. This arc has been for a long time my least favourite off the show. But kinda recently it resonated with my own life more than ever and from this time I became a huge an of this arc as well. It's not easy to understand all of what is going on on this one, why do that or that other character say this sentence, what the author wanted to tell etc. Even after several watches there were still some parts I just could not understand and this video helped me to see it better. You definitively made my day better ! ( well it was already good anyway but Im starting it now in the best mood possible ! ) Thanks a lot for the efforts you put in this video, and thanks for sharing it on youtube !
Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed and found it useful. Yes, Hanamonogatari is more abstract than most other arcs, but I think the novel is more direct and easier to digest.
@@WarudoChaos As my english is not that good, it's hard for me to read this serie in english. Thought, Im french and here we got a french edition that started to realese 3 years ago. We're currently at nisemonogatari, so it's only a matter of time before I could read it in my native language. No need to say Im extremely excited at each new parution and that I cant wait for Hana !
For what its worth, I believe the Monogatqari series as the greatest franchise of the 2010s. Just so much to unpack, unique writing, and the allegories.
Oh my god, oh my god, Monogatari series on this channel (i ve been saving it to “watch later for weeks idkw) and obout one of the best girls(try to change my mind)
Just watch all the entries in the series in the order they were released, starting with Bakemonogatari and ending with Zoku Owarimonogatari. Literally no reason to deviate from release order.
@@Darklordcomp I recommend you to watch it in the novel release order and not the anime release order, because the novel release order is the intended watch order and the anime release order is different because of some delays in the production of Kizumonogatari. The novel order is: Bakemonogatari Kizumonogatari Nisemonogatari Nekomonogatari kuro Monogatari series second season Hanamonogatari Tsukimonogatari Owarimonogatari Koyomimonogatari Owarimonogatari season 2 Zoku Owarimonogatari
There's literally nothing gained or loss from leaving Kizu until later. For the sake of simplicity for newcomers, it's easier to say "watch everything in release order". Technically speaking, the order you posted isn't even the proper novel release order since Hana is sandwiched halfway between Second Season and Koyomi is before Owari vol 1. That proves my point that certain entries can be swapped with no detrimental effect. Kizu is one of those that can be moved pretty much anywhere, so again, to keep things dead simple: just watch each entry in the order it aired.
@@WarudoChaos Well I have to agree that some can be swapped a bit like hanamonogatari or koyomimonogatari but I don't think kizumonogatari should be swapped around because it is a very important part of the monogatari series and if you watch it very late in the series it can be very confusing. I agree that it is possible to watch it in the anime release order but in my opinion watching kizumonogatari right after bakemonogatari is the better. Spoiler: For example the bathroom scene in nisemonogatari with Shinobu wouldn't be so impactful when you don't watch kizumonogatari before that and you also won't understand small details like araragi mentioning guillotinecutter after he met kaiki for the first time.
I feel like you skipped over a key part of the arc by just lumping kanbaru's entire decision to selfishness by assuming that Roka is correct. Because I think it was made extremely clear in this arc and the rest of monogatari that roka is extremely wrong. She says that "time heals all wounds" but any misconception of this being true is utterly shattered when it is discovered that she killed herself. Furthermore, the arcs directly after this emphasize how nadeko's bottled up emotions came exploding out in an unhealthy way as she lacked any agency in her life. Time did not heal her heart, it only made her problem worse as she didn't confront it. Her ultimate conclusion for her arc is taking up something she wanted to do. I also think that Roka's existence is a pretty clear symbolic representation of prayer as a placebo. None of the underlying problems are solved. This type of scapegoating is called out throughout the series. Although it's also not condemned necessarily (see oshino's words on religion in bake), but it is clearly demonstrated to not be that effective, and can actually backfire intensely. Although you did mention how selfish actions can lead to altruistic benefits, that seemed to be based in ruka's happiness as she disappeared, but not really how ruka was wrong about time healing all wounds.
I completely disagree. I think that that shred of moral grayness is what makes Kanbaru fascinating and complex and what makes the arc work. If Numachi were 100% in the wrong and Kanbaru was 100% in the right, then Araragi's closing sentiment and the thematic throughline of the arc makes zero sense. Kanbaru's coming-of-age journey is all about her accepting that she'll never be able to make the "right" decision. That's literally the point of the car ride with Araragi: for her to realize that sometimes it's okay to put her own happiness in front of others: even if it doesn't lead to the most utilitarian outcome, as long as the outcome is beneficial to HER, that's all the reason anyone needs to act...and that logic is perfectly fine, in moderation. Numachi's "placebo" existence CAN be perceived as toxic and futile but the point is that it's not the ONLY interpretation: it's ambiguous. Some people whom Numachi "healed" probably did in fact suffer from deep-seated trauma that a quick pseudo-therapy session with Numachi did little to help with, but for others, maybe their issues WERE relatively benign and that having that reliable shoulder to cry on WAS all they needed to get back on their feet. It's not black and white, that's the whole point. Is Numachi leading 50% of people astray and curing the other 50%? Is it 80/20? 30/70? 60/40? Numachi's own failure to cope with her trauma is a single data point that can't be extrapolated to an entire population. And for those who did genuinely benefit from Lord Devil, who is Kanbaru to judge? To decide? To step in and rob them of that option? That is the core of her struggle. Because even IF Numachi were 100% unequivocally in the wrong, Kanbaru sure as hell isn't omniscient or presumptuous enough to know that for sure, hence her indecision. The theme of inaction and indecision leading to terrible outcomes is indeed pervasive throughout Monogatari - this is literally the story of Araragi's relationship with Oikura, for instance. But that's why Kanbaru sticks out to me because I consider her journey to be somewhat of a subversion. With Araragi and Oikura, the answer is obvious in hindsight. Araragi should have rescued her: that's a no-brainer, a situation where everyone would have won. No shit. With Kanbaru and Numachi, the ambiguity is what makes it compelling: even in hindsight, the fact that it's possible that Kanbaru made a tragic misstep is what makes her an interesting heroine: precisely because she didn't let this ambiguity hold her back from acting. She accepts the future consequences of her actions, be they good or bad, holding them in mind, but not letting them cloud her conscience or weigh her down. She accepts that because of this decision and many more decisions down the line, she'll always, on average, strike a middleground between "medicine" and "poison". Because that's just the way humans are wired and the last thing she should be ashamed of is that.
@@WarudoChaos I wasn't trying to downplay how the answer isn't 100% either way. Nor was I trying to take away from kanbaru's internal struggle. Kanbaru herself directly says they were both right based on their point of view, but one right had to win in the end. And it's also a pervasive theme throughout monogatari that there isn't such a thing as truth or goodness. Even in nisemonogatari, araragi directly tells his sister that "the enemy of justice is rarely evil, but another justice." Then the entire story of nadeko and kaiki is about how there is no such thing as victims, heroes, or villains. Heck, even in the afterword of hana nisio talks about how there is no such thing as truth and basically endorses error theory by saying "there are as many misapprehensions as there are humans." What I was specifically trying to get at was that ruka's approach to life problems isn't portrayed as a healthy way to live, or rather that the absolute statement "time heals ALL wounds," the act of placing all your problems on someone else, hoping it will go away, isn't a good idea. It might work. If it does great, I guess. But when it backfires? Ruka killed herself. Kanbaru lived with a devil arm for a year, almost killed her classmates. Hitagi became a toxic loner (Hitagi's entire first arc is actually her accepting her trauma instead of suppressing it). Hanekawa almost killed her friends. Etc. IDK. I don't really feel like kanbaru was thinking about Ruka's actions in the way I'm thinking about it because iirc she was more disgusted by the idea that ruka took pleasure in other people's misfortune. Not that the idea that time heals wounds. When kanbaru repeats the statement about time healing all wounds to Araragi, he points out how that doesn't sound like her, like she doesn't actually believe that. And that was what ruka was using to justify her actions. If she isn't on board with that, it's just indulging in misery for misery's sake. Which she can't accept.
Here we go, Suruga Devil is the arc that come to me at the time I struggled in my first few years of adulthood, when i couldn't decide what I did is right or wrong, what i will have to do in the future, what I could believe in.
It all come to right places after I heard Araragi quotes: “Many people will have lots of different opinions on what you did. There will be those who will say you did the right thing, and those who will say you were wrong. You shouldn’t pay attention to them. Don’t worry about what they’ll say. What you did was neither the right nor wrong thing. You were just spending your youth.”
Highly highly underappreciated part, one of my favorites for sure. Nice to see it finally getting a CZcams analysis. Hope this video helps Monogatari "fans" to appreciate this arc more.
Yep, it's highly overshadowed and deserves more attention.
Hanamonogatari is criminally underrated, it's honestly my favorite arc of the series.
Very well-thought out and interesting analysis, just subbed.
Bit late here, but amazing video. This arc really is Monogatari’s most criminally underrated instalment and a personal favourite of mine. Its messages that you went into here just really resonated with me.
Thank you!!! Glad you enjoyed and appreciate this often overlooked arc!
Kanbaru to start with? I dig it. Great video
You are one of those channels which actually know what to do rather than following trends
Can't wait to watch this video once I'm home. I saw the Name Kanbaru Sugura and immediately knew "Yeah, I definitely won't which this while sitting in study hall lol"
*watch
DAMN YOU, Autocorrect!
I want to quickly thank you for getting me into this series. I've been subscribed to you for your Higurashi and Umineko content, but when you posted this video and stated that Monogatari is your "favorite anime series of all time," I felt like I was missing out. Now, I just went through the entire anime adaptation, and I totally see why it's your favorite (I absolutely loved it as well)! I am now planning on reading through the light novels!
Also, thanks for shedding a bit more light on this arc for me. I didn't appreciate it as much as you did when I first watched it, but you opened my eyes a lot more with this video. Generally, I hope reading through the novels will help me appreciate the series a whole lot more! Keep up the good work!
Glad you enjoyed! Always happy to have more Monogatari fans in the world!
oh my god,didn't expect this
Neither did I tbh
I love coming and watching your videos after finishing arcs… You always help me understand in such a new and helpful way, I really appreciate how articulate you always are!!!
Wow I'm trying to find every week new monogatari analasys on YT but for some reasons this one did not show up in my lasts YT research. Glad I found it thanks to some google researches. Morever you did a very great job. There are not a lot of videos based on Kanbaru or Hanamonogatari so it's even more satisfacting to watch.
This arc has been for a long time my least favourite off the show. But kinda recently it resonated with my own life more than ever and from this time I became a huge an of this arc as well. It's not easy to understand all of what is going on on this one, why do that or that other character say this sentence, what the author wanted to tell etc. Even after several watches there were still some parts I just could not understand and this video helped me to see it better.
You definitively made my day better ! ( well it was already good anyway but Im starting it now in the best mood possible ! )
Thanks a lot for the efforts you put in this video, and thanks for sharing it on youtube !
Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed and found it useful.
Yes, Hanamonogatari is more abstract than most other arcs, but I think the novel is more direct and easier to digest.
@@WarudoChaos As my english is not that good, it's hard for me to read this serie in english. Thought, Im french and here we got a french edition that started to realese 3 years ago. We're currently at nisemonogatari, so it's only a matter of time before I could read it in my native language. No need to say Im extremely excited at each new parution and that I cant wait for Hana !
Bro I just love Monogatari so much
For what its worth, I believe the Monogatqari series as the greatest franchise of the 2010s. Just so much to unpack, unique writing, and the allegories.
greatest franchise of all time*
Oh my god, oh my god, Monogatari series on this channel (i ve been saving it to “watch later for weeks idkw) and obout one of the best girls(try to change my mind)
So i've been meaning to get into Monogatari, what would you recommend for a new watcher watch order wise?
Just watch all the entries in the series in the order they were released, starting with Bakemonogatari and ending with Zoku Owarimonogatari. Literally no reason to deviate from release order.
@@WarudoChaos Roger that I guess I know what I'm going to do on my vacation
@@Darklordcomp I recommend you to watch it in the novel release order and not the anime release order, because the novel release order is the intended watch order and the anime release order is different because of some delays in the production of Kizumonogatari.
The novel order is:
Bakemonogatari
Kizumonogatari
Nisemonogatari
Nekomonogatari kuro
Monogatari series second season
Hanamonogatari
Tsukimonogatari
Owarimonogatari
Koyomimonogatari
Owarimonogatari season 2
Zoku Owarimonogatari
There's literally nothing gained or loss from leaving Kizu until later. For the sake of simplicity for newcomers, it's easier to say "watch everything in release order".
Technically speaking, the order you posted isn't even the proper novel release order since Hana is sandwiched halfway between Second Season and Koyomi is before Owari vol 1. That proves my point that certain entries can be swapped with no detrimental effect. Kizu is one of those that can be moved pretty much anywhere, so again, to keep things dead simple: just watch each entry in the order it aired.
@@WarudoChaos Well I have to agree that some can be swapped a bit like hanamonogatari or koyomimonogatari but I don't think kizumonogatari should be swapped around because it is a very important part of the monogatari series and if you watch it very late in the series it can be very confusing. I agree that it is possible to watch it in the anime release order but in my opinion watching kizumonogatari right after bakemonogatari is the better.
Spoiler: For example the bathroom scene in nisemonogatari with Shinobu wouldn't be so impactful when you don't watch kizumonogatari before that and you also won't understand small details like araragi mentioning guillotinecutter after he met kaiki for the first time.
I feel like you skipped over a key part of the arc by just lumping kanbaru's entire decision to selfishness by assuming that Roka is correct.
Because I think it was made extremely clear in this arc and the rest of monogatari that roka is extremely wrong. She says that "time heals all wounds" but any misconception of this being true is utterly shattered when it is discovered that she killed herself.
Furthermore, the arcs directly after this emphasize how nadeko's bottled up emotions came exploding out in an unhealthy way as she lacked any agency in her life. Time did not heal her heart, it only made her problem worse as she didn't confront it. Her ultimate conclusion for her arc is taking up something she wanted to do.
I also think that Roka's existence is a pretty clear symbolic representation of prayer as a placebo. None of the underlying problems are solved. This type of scapegoating is called out throughout the series. Although it's also not condemned necessarily (see oshino's words on religion in bake), but it is clearly demonstrated to not be that effective, and can actually backfire intensely.
Although you did mention how selfish actions can lead to altruistic benefits, that seemed to be based in ruka's happiness as she disappeared, but not really how ruka was wrong about time healing all wounds.
I completely disagree. I think that that shred of moral grayness is what makes Kanbaru fascinating and complex and what makes the arc work. If Numachi were 100% in the wrong and Kanbaru was 100% in the right, then Araragi's closing sentiment and the thematic throughline of the arc makes zero sense. Kanbaru's coming-of-age journey is all about her accepting that she'll never be able to make the "right" decision. That's literally the point of the car ride with Araragi: for her to realize that sometimes it's okay to put her own happiness in front of others: even if it doesn't lead to the most utilitarian outcome, as long as the outcome is beneficial to HER, that's all the reason anyone needs to act...and that logic is perfectly fine, in moderation.
Numachi's "placebo" existence CAN be perceived as toxic and futile but the point is that it's not the ONLY interpretation: it's ambiguous. Some people whom Numachi "healed" probably did in fact suffer from deep-seated trauma that a quick pseudo-therapy session with Numachi did little to help with, but for others, maybe their issues WERE relatively benign and that having that reliable shoulder to cry on WAS all they needed to get back on their feet. It's not black and white, that's the whole point. Is Numachi leading 50% of people astray and curing the other 50%? Is it 80/20? 30/70? 60/40? Numachi's own failure to cope with her trauma is a single data point that can't be extrapolated to an entire population.
And for those who did genuinely benefit from Lord Devil, who is Kanbaru to judge? To decide? To step in and rob them of that option? That is the core of her struggle. Because even IF Numachi were 100% unequivocally in the wrong, Kanbaru sure as hell isn't omniscient or presumptuous enough to know that for sure, hence her indecision.
The theme of inaction and indecision leading to terrible outcomes is indeed pervasive throughout Monogatari - this is literally the story of Araragi's relationship with Oikura, for instance. But that's why Kanbaru sticks out to me because I consider her journey to be somewhat of a subversion. With Araragi and Oikura, the answer is obvious in hindsight. Araragi should have rescued her: that's a no-brainer, a situation where everyone would have won. No shit. With Kanbaru and Numachi, the ambiguity is what makes it compelling: even in hindsight, the fact that it's possible that Kanbaru made a tragic misstep is what makes her an interesting heroine: precisely because she didn't let this ambiguity hold her back from acting. She accepts the future consequences of her actions, be they good or bad, holding them in mind, but not letting them cloud her conscience or weigh her down. She accepts that because of this decision and many more decisions down the line, she'll always, on average, strike a middleground between "medicine" and "poison". Because that's just the way humans are wired and the last thing she should be ashamed of is that.
@@WarudoChaos I wasn't trying to downplay how the answer isn't 100% either way. Nor was I trying to take away from kanbaru's internal struggle.
Kanbaru herself directly says they were both right based on their point of view, but one right had to win in the end. And it's also a pervasive theme throughout monogatari that there isn't such a thing as truth or goodness. Even in nisemonogatari, araragi directly tells his sister that "the enemy of justice is rarely evil, but another justice." Then the entire story of nadeko and kaiki is about how there is no such thing as victims, heroes, or villains.
Heck, even in the afterword of hana nisio talks about how there is no such thing as truth and basically endorses error theory by saying "there are as many misapprehensions as there are humans."
What I was specifically trying to get at was that ruka's approach to life problems isn't portrayed as a healthy way to live, or rather that the absolute statement "time heals ALL wounds," the act of placing all your problems on someone else, hoping it will go away, isn't a good idea. It might work. If it does great, I guess. But when it backfires? Ruka killed herself. Kanbaru lived with a devil arm for a year, almost killed her classmates. Hitagi became a toxic loner (Hitagi's entire first arc is actually her accepting her trauma instead of suppressing it). Hanekawa almost killed her friends. Etc.
IDK. I don't really feel like kanbaru was thinking about Ruka's actions in the way I'm thinking about it because iirc she was more disgusted by the idea that ruka took pleasure in other people's misfortune. Not that the idea that time heals wounds.
When kanbaru repeats the statement about time healing all wounds to Araragi, he points out how that doesn't sound like her, like she doesn't actually believe that. And that was what ruka was using to justify her actions. If she isn't on board with that, it's just indulging in misery for misery's sake. Which she can't accept.
wooo do more mono or subaru analysis homie
Monogatari fans use bigger words then the biblical scripture. Great video tho bro
God I’m early asf