Chinese Diesel Heaters - DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE !!
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2024
- A LOT of people either don't watch this whole video, or completely miss the point. These heaters are wonderful units, and I have nothing bad to say about the heaters themselves. My issue is with people making false claims about these heaters. They are NOT able to burn waste oils.
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I have purchased a few items from VEVOR .... I saw these things pop up while I was shopping for other items and did what I always do when I have questions about things .... Go to CZcams... I watched 2-3 videos before making my purchase. The first was from a youtuber who I have no opinion on...except that he was semi responsible for my purchase. At the end of a video, he goes on to say, in reference to using waste oil, something like . You may argue that this will coke up the insides... but I have seen videos of people burning vegetable oil and waste oil and links to a video where another CZcamsr goes on to tell a creative story about how they have been running their heater on all sorts of things for 3 years and that this video is their first disassembly.... then proceed to disassemble a heater that looks to be a month old.
In my videos, I will show the reality of owning one of these things, and what it's really like burning different mixtures of waste oil.
How did you pair this remote?
I can't recall how to do it. Mine came paired and I have misplaced the manual.
@loweredexpectations4927 Appreciate the reply, I managed to find my manua
@@hobbyguy79 Awesome... Can you tell me how to do it ? haha.
- On main control panel in shut down state, simultaneously long press power and right arrow
- Enter remote control code as follows by pressing left or right arrows - OC1, OC2, OC3, OC4, OC5
- Choose the code for the corresponding remote control, 1 - 5
- Press any key on the remote control
- Pairing is complete
@@hobbyguy79 Awesome, thanks ! I will pin this to the top so others can find it easily.
I've had one for 3 years now, it works flawlessly.
Good stuff ... thanks for the comment. I haven't had any issues at all, while running on diesel. They are pretty awesome units when used as they were intended. Thanks for the comment.
@@loweredexpectations4927 I'm gonna run mine on Petrol or Metho... 😂👍
Same here 3 years flawless. Regular diesel. Got one in my shop, and one in my van.
I have mine now for about 6 months and works perfect. I use kerosine...a little bit more cost but a very claen burn..My heater is on the outside . Combustion iar is taken from the outside..heater air is taken from the inside , it takes the warmed up air and is more efficient this way..I do not need to warm up the cold air from ouside this way. The exhaust air I run thru a radiator so no heat is wasted. Of course the heater is above outside and the exhaust is running from the top of the radiator to the bottom where it leaves the room thru the wall..
@@tomvanthienen3716 I will mix diesel and kerosene every few tanks of fuel.
Good luck! They work well with proper installation and with diesel fuel.
Thanks for the comment ! I actually ran mine on diesel for 4 days, after this video, and it ran flawlessly and actually cleaned itself out (I took it apart before and after to see). I bought this specifically to burn waste oil so I will keep experimenting.
Just realized I replied to you while logged into my other YT channel. Oops. Hope I didn't confuse you too much.
@@JoelArseneaultCZcams try and half and half mixture.
@@edb75001 I actually have tried that, but since found an issue with the heater and didn't document any of it very well, so I plan on doing it over again. Thanks for the comment / suggestion 👍
Yep... as I understand it, if you try to run this with cruddy oil and you're NOT running it full out at its hottest, you're definitely going to have problems with buildup.
It is a diesel heater, not a waste oil heater, waste oil will clog up the heater really quickly, look in the mirror when you call people names, that person looking back at you is the absolute idiot, my diesel heater works perfectly, and are VEVORs .
LOl... You should think about writing lyrics to songs or poetry, that was beautiful. If you look at the title of the video, it does say "Chinese Diesel Heater". I say in this video that they run great on diesel 👍. The very first of the video points out that, I am indeed an idiot and that you shouldn't do what I do (you shouldn't run these on alternative fuels)
"I'm looking at the man in the mirror 🎶I'm asking him to change his ways, his message couldn't be any clearer, if you want to make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make a change 🎶"
I think the only name calling I did here was to tall people idiots for spreading misinformation, and for claiming that these things run on waste oil trouble free.... I'm not making those claims.
Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it.
Diesel heater not waste oil heater. 😆
Come one now... you're just going to shatter all my hopes and dreams ! You mean I can't buy a $200 heater and expect it to work like a $8000+ WO furnace, haha !?
@@loweredexpectations4927 😆 my friend has one on his boat and now it sounds like an airbus 380 on take off 😆
@@haydenharris3059 Accurate description. It's not the best idea for say.... someone who is trying to make CZcams videos...
@@haydenharris3059 Yes it does sound like a 1st class suite on Emirates or Qatar airways! Living on my sailboat for the last three years and this is one of my most loved pieces of equipment on my boat. Since I wrapped the fuel pump in soundproofing and tightly in upholstery foam it is silent, and the recirculation airfan white noise is super soothing while the boat is rocking me asleep in freezing winter nights!
@@chrisdekock8864 I have a canal boat and whatever the heating it's amazing being toasty inside when outside is terrible weather.
Thanks for explaining 🙂
I'm really excited to see how your garage almost burned down.
HAHA. ... I'm going to get fired from working on your stuff for reckless endangerment. This video doesn't who that, the the opening scene with the glowing exhaust is one case where it could have happened.
I got one almost 3 years ago now, I'm thinking about getting another , and modify it to work with a heat exchanger, to heat water, and possibly scavenge heat from the exhaust,. To heat water for showers, as well as radiant floor heating, I was thinking about using used engine oil with kerosene upto about 50/50
James, for an exhaust gas recovery system I ran the 1" exhaust into a 10' x 4" pipe and by the time it leaves that pipe it's only 5-8 degrees above room temp. Just watch out for exhaust back pressure , the slightest increase and it won't run properly
Great idea
David McLuckie has some videos about heat recovery with a bunch of different stuff... pretty interesting.
Interesting, there are 1,000s of these heaters in boats across the world and to date I've heard of no reports of any of them being burnt to the waterline.
A few comments/questions:
1) Why is the heater placed that high in your workshop? Heat rises so the usual solution is to place the output close to the lowest level in the area you are heating
2) Why do you have a 90° bend in the exhaust just as it exits the heater? The usual advice is that there should be no sharp angles in the exhaust especially as it exits the unit.
3) Why are you just burning old oil in your heater? A mix of diesel or kerosene with a maximum of 30% oil is the usual advice.
Thanks for the comment.
I like your humor. Good stuff.
1. The heater is placed high so that it is out of the way, but still accessible for my tests / experiments (if you watch more videos, you will see) I'm not concerned about max efficiency, just making it work. (on waste oil)
2. I'm a mechanic and feel like the concern about bending the exhaust is exaggerated considering the fact that it is 5kw. I do change / test this in following videos.
3.This is a long answer, but... others on youtube / the internet have claimed that it works perfectly well. I have a supply of waste oil that I either have to dispose of or burn. Diesel is $2/L where I am and kerosene is $4/L and the oil is "free" so it cost me whatever I mix with it.
The unit should be mounted high enough to allow a fan to blow across the straight down or steeply sloping down exhaust. I use 40 percent ULTRA filtered waste oil and/or veggie oil, 60 percent diesel, 10 percent petrol in my second manifolded tank, straight diesel/heating oil/kerosene in my first manifolded tank. Start and 10 minute high power shut down on diesel, run on waste mix.
Never had an issue with mine 3 years in. Just good old standard diesel is perfect BUT it has never ever turned its nose up to a 75/25 mix of petrol/diesel. I think as long as the exhaust is properly set and your not throwing takeaway grease through it, it should work flawlessly. Your smoke and hot exhaust looks like you threw a whole high carb take away down it. It shouldn't be doing that and your colour of smoke is the indicator. It should be black not white * edit * mine doesn't smoke at all even after 3 years and all I do is top it up, and to remind you, I bought the absolute cheapest 'verion' available. In reality they are all the exact same. I bought a very expensive one and opened it up... same parts. Just saying, stinks you had you're bad look
Yes, I'm burning waste motor oil and this is the whole problem. The whole issue is that there are many people claiming that these heaters run fine on any old crap, and it's just not true.
Filtering oil is not fun. If it's used you have to filter it. Also it's best if you add fresh fuel. 3 old, 1 fresh. If not you'll get lots of smoke.
@@blakeps192 I do some very basic filtering, but should likely use a finer filter as well as a centrifuge ... but, yeah, that's a lot of work. That being said, I have done a lot of testing with new motor oil and come to the conclusion that the contamination is not the main issue with my oil ... the main issue is that it is oil, and not diesel, haha.
I was thinking just straight petrol? (it's cheaper than diesel), here....
It would run much hotter on lower settings and thus become more effiecient consuming fuel.
Just a thought... 👍
@@mickgatz214 I do believe that you can purchase these heaters that are set up to run on petrol. David McLuckie has done tests trying to burn pure gasoline and had some issues. He ended up modifying the chamber (I believe to slow the burn) and got it to work okay.
i think it's overheating because the exhaust is right behind the inlet duct where the electronics are and the hot air is overheating the burner chamber to, relocation the exhaust away form the inlet duct will solve that problem. i fund that in German made heater manual.
by the way if you mix old oil whith diesel 60/40 maximum and leave it in higher setting it will work.
Thanks for the comment ! I have been experimenting with the heater a lot after this video, tested lots of things and I have even tried feeding hot air into the inlet directly... While this does cause the temp to rise, it is not substantial. This heater tends to run perfectly fine on diesel, I have run it on diesel for 7 days non stop now, with no issues at all, 5 or those days at the max heat setting.
I have been experimenting with different diesel / oil mix ratios. At 50/50 I was still having issues, so I think I need to do more investigation and experiments. I will try the 60/40 mix.
The manufacturer and seller clearly write that NOTHING BUT PURE DIESEL AND ANYTHING BUT DIESEL, Yet people will try to burn crap, then people whine and complain.
I didn't see that anywhere on my one page manual, (Purchased from VEVOR) but I'm not complaining about it not burning crap... I'm complaining about other people saying that it will burn crap... I totally wouldn't have thought that it would burn waste oil, because it doesn't burn well, or clean.... but then I saw a bunch of people claim that it would burn lots of crap.
So yes... I'm not complaining about the unit, or the manufacturer, or the seller of this unit. I'm annoyed that there are people on the internet telling other people that these things burn waste oil for years with no issues.
well said
The muffler is inside the garage. The muffler has a weep hole on one side and you will notice a gap between the sides of it around the pipes at both ends. Point is, the muffler shoots out a continuous stream of carbon monoxide and can shoot out flames of fire as well.
Hello Charles.
I am aware of the weep hole. I realize that this is not correct but I wasn't concerned about it. I had a CO detector in my garage and don't sleep in there.
I have, since this video, stopped using the muffler altogether.
No.. it does NOT spew out a stream of CO. even at highest power the amount of clean exhaust coming out is MINISCULE. I have experime Ted and found zero issues and NO moisture since no time for condensation if 1 foot away.
@@gbear1005 Haha... I think you are more upset about this than I am.... I have heard this hundreds of times, at this point.
So i have 2 of these, run them both on diesel & kerosene both have been fault free since the day i bought this 12 months ago, i tried waste cooking oil with a mix of kerosene on one of them, with in minutes it stop working, it would blow but not burn, with proper research i find it is only any good on thin fuel, so if you run straight oil or get the mix wrong it doesn't like it, so i now just use it like it was designed to be used & stoped listening to people on CZcams talking crap about them, don't even listen to those who say the heat their homes on one, these would never heat a home, only good for small to medium shed/garage or a vehicle/caravan/ motor home! Use it for what it say on the box an it will be fine, abuse it what do you expect!
Well said ! I can't stand videos of people saying you can heat your home ... all that is 100% is people using fear to get views ...There's a lot of concern about the world ending and fuel prices etc.... so the "how to heat your home almost free" videos get massive views.
I'm making this video series to try to show people that most of this is complete nonsense and if you burn anything but diesel (and diesel like fuels, you're probably going to have issues. I have run mine on diesel, and my latest video (part 6) I show that diesel actually does a pretty good job of cleaning out the heater after I had been using waste oil.
Had a small fire with mine going through floor with mine made a metal box with ceramic fiber around exhaust love it now
Oh no, haha.. You don't want fire outside of the heater !... only inside. I now have 6 of these heaters and love them also.
Heat also goes upwards thus better to put it lower and spread the heat with more tubes. Then your garage will be fine. Now your ceiling will become very comfortable. And also agree with other comments. It is a diesel heater not a waste oil heater. You can make fuel yourself but that requires it to have a burning point similar to diesel.
Thanks for the comment ! The heater is placed where it is, for now, so that it is accessible for experiments, but out of the way. In the future, if I get it to work well for more than a few days, I will change the location.
These heaters work really well at burning diesel ! I'm actually getting another one sent to me by VEVOR to do more realistic testing, but I bought this one specifically for trying to burn waste oil. Cheers !
Dude! Best intro ever!! Instantly subscribed!!
HAHA... thanks !
I don’t know why people buy a diesel heater and immediately decide to substitute a different fuel….and then when it doesn’t work they are surprised.try using diesel…..end of problem! Weird!!!
I would love to be funny and just say "maybe if you watched the video, you would know why people do what you ask..." but not everyone has a good enough sense of humor for that... so I definitely won't say that.🤣
Seriously though. The point of this video is that there are a bunch of people on the internet claiming that these heaters run well on all sorts of waste oils. This video has saved many people from wasting their time and money, thinking that this actually works.
I have a few of these heaters, and they are awesome little units... and yes, the work great on diesel.
Cheers.
I run the engine on my truck to heat my truck. I go through about 6 US GAL over night at about $6 per gallon. Buying one of these will pay for itself in a week. I'm going for it and am going to hook it to the truck via vents on the sliding window of my 2020 F250. Next summer I'll build a permanent mount that will mount the same.
Yeah.... These are awesome units for that. I think I'm going to be installing on one my buddys Toyota 4 Runner.
Yikes. I just bought a second unit from vevor for black Friday. U$88. Been using my first unit for last three years.
I'm Using double filtered used diesel sailboat engine oil, blended half with diesel and it is running hotter. I added a small restrictor in the air recirculation intake to manually manipulate less cooling airflow to increase burn cylinder temp. I can only think that if you didn't connect the exhaust prior to startup, you didn't watch too many videos about the unit. There is a scottish guy mcgee47 or something, watch some of his videos.
Your videos is creating more misinformation, and could be deadly. Why on earth would you install it at the ceiling height? Closely inspect the muffler, it has a condensation breather hole, and should be vented on the *outside* of your workshop. Please have a nonstop rolling scrollbar at the bottom warning every watcher to not do this. You sure are a good candidate for a Darwin award, you could've burned your workshop down, and would blame it on the diesel heater, meanwhile it's your less than ideal install and lack of knowledge of the fuels.
Please do a retake video with some improvements. Get a scooter or dirt bike muffler that is more sealed if you absolutely need to do an inside muffler, or research how we do it on sailboats in our engine room. Some people in UK have excellent installs and use this as primary heatsource, claiming it's ⅕ of the electricity heating cost equivalent. I hope you could find the same median.
I found your comment by scrolling through ... YT didn't inform me... odd... Anyway. Thanks for the detailed comment.
I think a lot of my issue may be that I am using oil from air cooled engines... It's had a pretty rough life by the time it comes out, it's already burnt up pretty bad and has a lot of contamination. I am currently using a two layer cotton filter, so better filtration may help some.
I have tried half and half diesel, but I am still testing... currently 1/3. At half and half, it would cost me more to burn waste oil than it would cost me to use my natural gas heaters. Experimenting to find something that is hopefully cost effective. I have played with restricting air flow ... are you talking about on the combustion air or the ambient air? I have tried both, but not long term.
I didn't connect the exhaust because I have really really bad luck with every single purchase that i make, and I fully expected that it wouldn't work at all, and I'd have to immediately take it apart. I had only watched a few videos at that point tho, yes. I also run my jetski in my garage, and I promise you, an 1100cc two stroke is much more nasty than this heater....
I'm not sure how I'm spreading misinformation? First off, the start of the video says not to do things that I do because I take unnecessary risks. I go on to say that what I did didn't work well and that these can be dangerous. I show that garage filled with smoke and then I show that my exhaust caught on fire... This is pretty clearly all stuff that you don't want .... right ? Just like you were able to understand that these things were clearly not good... others will get the same idea.
I installed it on a shelf as it was easy, out of the way and it was close to my ventilation duct. The only drawbacks are that it is a pain in the butt to get to and heat naturally rises. I point the vent down and it works fine. I may move it for ease of accessibility at some point.
Yes, the muffler has a condensate hole in it... I am quite aware of this, just like every motor vehicle. I'm guessing you have never taken a confined space or hazardous materials safety training ? I have. I have family friends, a father and son, who died in their home made camper from carbon monoxide... Just like everyone else who dies from it, they died in their sleep. It's not something to be complacent about, but the symptoms are REALLY obvious, and if you are awake, there's no way you'd stay in a room and die...
I get that you are concerned but you are able to pick up on the fact that I almost burnt my garage down ... I'm guessing that anyone who watched the video noticed... This is an accurate representation of what can happen if you don't do a proper install and play with alternative fuels... I didn't try to pretend that the heater worked well, or that my exhaust caught on fire and could have caused a fire... I do edit these videos, and I could have easily edited that out.... Now THAT would be misinformation and that would be dangerous...
Scooter and dirt bike mufflers generally will have condensate holes as well... They also produce condensate. I'm guessing some cheap chinese ones don't ... but many of them have more leaks than a condensate hole. I actually got done filming an intro for my next video just a few hours ago and because nothing really obviously bad or crazy happened, the first thing I did was give a safety warning.
Thanks again for the comment and concern. I do appreciate it.
Lol.....yeah, this youtuber is the type of "mechanic" who cant understand why the pistons melted in the 2 stroke engine that he just rebuilt
It is a diesel heater after all, we can’t complain if it operates flawlessly using diesel.
Yes... I have zero complaints about the heater.... I love the heater and have 4 of them now. I'm complaining about people who make false claims, not about the heater.
Maybe try running your diesel heater on diesel. Just a thought
BORING !!! 🤣
They are wonderful little heaters...if you follow the directions.
Totally agree !! I just got another one to install in my truck... video went up today. I have abused this one for a LONG time... but my new one gets diesel only.
The muffler has to be outside, there is drain hole in it... leaks exhaus in to your shop..
Thanks for the tip / comment ! I was aware of this and have since removed the muffler and am now venting the pipe directly.
Just realized I replied to you while logged into my other YT channel. Oops. Hope I didn't confuse you too much.
I had some issues too with used oil, someone wrote that synthetic oil is designed not to burn that's why it works so well in engines but obviously not so great in a heater
Thanks for the comment / input ! Yes... engine oil in general is designed not to burn. They put all sorts of additives into it to help it lubricate and be heat resistant... this does not end up being a very good fuel... and that's before it's used. After it's used, it has wear metals from the engines and lots of combustion byproducts.
If you get a "perfect burn" you are still left with all of these contaminants / additives that do not burn. They have to exit the system somehow. If you are lucky and there's a lot of turbulence, maybe it comes out the exhaust ...
That's why you use vegetable oil, dingus.
@@totallylegityoutubeperson4170 I love the youtube name and the word "dingus" lol... I haven't seen any evidence that veg oil would work better, and I have seen a few tests with it that show it doesn't perform that well, however I have not tested it myself.
The whole reason I'm using waste oil is because I have a supply of it as part of my job... I have to get rid of it some way. I would have to source veg oil, even if it was free it wouldn't make sense for me.
Mine works amazing love it.always a winer posting negative crap.maybe read the directions
I have 4 of these and I love them all as well. I think you are confused. I have nothing bad to say about the product... I'm only saying bad things about those who claim you can burn any old thing you want in them, trouble free. (I run 3 of them on diesel only)
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straight oil burn should be on high or you will get oil going through exhaust/build up. also if the unit can't burn hot enough or you don't have the pump set correctly unburned oil will also go through the exhaust. if it can't burn hot enough use a fuel oil mix.
Yeah... I have done a lot of testing after this video... burning oil vs diesel turns out to be quite tricky.
have you tried with black diesel? (roughly 5 gals filtered WMO and a pint of gasoline) or have you tried 30% diesel and 70% WMO/ used cooking oil? apparently the mixtures are important to thin the motor oil, and it works best when its already heated. the most success I've seen is with 2 tanks, heating it up on diesel then switching it over to the waste.
I wrote this before I watched 10 more episodes. So please disregard lmfao
I have tried all sorts of different mixtures of gasoline, oil and diesel. Preheating with gasoline in the mix is problematic as it off gasses in the lines and causes erratic feeding. I have 30 more videos or so of all sorts of crazy testing, haha.
@loweredexpectations4927 yeah I wrote this before I got 10 episodes in and was seriously rooting for you cause I bought one to run on waste oil too. Lol i haven't tried mine yet.
@@plainandsimple1 "seriously rooting for you cause I bought one to run on waste oil too. " HAHA... If you are going to try I would recommend using VERY little oil... You might get away with 10% ... it would save you 10% fuel cost.
@loweredexpectations4927 only 10%? I can't push it to 30 or 40%? That's super disappointing lol but at least it's decently efficient on diesel.
Why buy something to do what it is not designed to do.... ? This is not a waste oil disposal unit, its a diesel heater, the clue is on the box. Its advice such as this that may cause people to have serious accidents with these devices, however if used in a way that agrees with its design, it works flawlessly.
I thought I explained this in the video... at least the basics ... however, there are lots of reasons. I'm not saying anything bad about the heaters... I have 4 of them now and they are freekin awesome... i run 3 of them on diesel and those three work flawlessly 👍
This video series has saved hundreds of people from making the mistake of trying to burn "alternative fuels" / waste oil, in their diesel heater. Althogh it should seem fairly obvious, when there are people on the internet "showing" how their heater worked for 3 years with no issues burning crap, many people, myself included, try it out of desperation.
Clickbait title. These are worth the hype
I'm hoping that you didn't watch the video and area just saying that out of ignorance ... because if you watched the video, and still think that then you probably won't understand what I'm writing right now...
Ok... that's sort of a joke, but yeah. If you watched the video, the title means "don't believe that they will run fine on waste oil" That is the hype that you shouldn't believe. There are a lot of people spreading misinformation about these, and that is the hype that you shouldn't believe. These heaters are great 👍 They work awesome on diesel.
One minute in & I'm already 😂
I should have been a comedian.
Do not burn waste oil in these or other oils strictly diesel. One needs a heater designed for waste oil to burn waste oils and they require tons of non-stop maintenance. Clean out the heating chamber and put in new glo plug and screen. Keep the unit heat chamber clean it will soot up faster if you run at low fire rates 1-2 all the time due to excess air at low fire rate. At low fire rate they soot up bit quicker due to high excess air which is normal for just about any combustion unit due to lack of dampener air control. I would not fire hotter than 4 and like a setting of 3 on unit I use. I went with MaxPeedingRods 5kw unit which comes with heavier duty exhaust pipe, bit sturdier than those most companies send with the kit. I also used a RV type thimble double wall to port unit outside. The stuff on internet can very quickly get people in trouble. Diesel only in these units..........They have all types of maintenance kits online for cheap for these units. I think after one season of running I would open up heat chamber inspect and clean and put in new gaskets. All of the components are replaceable for low cost.
These units are a smaller version of very famous heater found in cold environments called a monitor heater, have one at a log cabin which can run two winters using not even one 275-gallon tank of kerosene heating 2 bedrooms, large bath and very large dining/kitchen and living room area. The monitors are not made any more went out of business but are very popular in cold weather climates for log cabins and houses. I believe there are companies out there that refurbish the old monitor heaters, they were fantastic heaters. They sip fuel and put out lots of great btu's on order up to 3x higher than the Chinese diesel heaters but are very similar design. Our monitor tied into a 275-gallon tank in the basement and the pump was located in a closet. The heating chamber was under a window and exhausted directly outdoors through a thimble. I believe it was rated up to around 45,000 btu max with average run btu's more like 18,000 or even less. The monitor had about 9 heat settings and pump were quite a bit larger and more robust. The monitors could also be run on a two-three gallon self contained fuel tank. They were about 26 inches wide, 12 inches deep, and 20 inches tall with built in digital controllers and ran few thousand dollars back in the day.
Thanks for the in depth comment ! I appreciate it. I now have 4 heaters and just use this one for fun testing.... The rest of them get diesel only. They are awesome, and like you say, no issues if run on diesel (or kerosene)
if you use filtered waste oil, I would suggest that you only mix 5% waste to 95% diesel as I watched too many video showing the problems with burning waste oil, flameout, overheat, clogging up the burning chamber etc, I have been running mine on just pure diesel for over 3 months and no issues at all !
I am using filtered waste oil... however, there are lots of different levels of filtration, and I could do better.
I'm fairly certain that 95% diesel would work just fine, but at that point, it is not at all cost effective. I have two natural gas heaters in my garage with a total of 280,000 BTU, but I got one of these to burn waste oil as I have a steady supply and it is free. It's not looking promising, but I will continue with my experimentation to see if there is something that I can do that is cost effective.
I have run mine on diesel several times now and it actually cleans up some of the garbage that is left behind from burning the waste oil... No issues at all.
I have a very good friend. He is made 2.8 billion on these machines. His name is called chenky chang
I can't tell if this is a poorly written joke, or a brag by association ... or something else I'm totally missing.
sorry to be pedantic but the clue is in the name Diesel Heater. after some initial hiccups with my mucking around with the settings black and white smoke and overfueling issues, it runs perfectly at least 10 hours every day. I heat my house to 20 degrees C for 1/6 of what it costs to use a gas boiler with a 2kw diesel heater. 10 litres of diesel lasts me about 5 to 6 days. believe it or not youtube is your saviour as the chinglish manual is rubbish. it should drw no more than 7 amps when the glow plug is running and afterwards 1 to 2 amps when up and running.
Sorry I missed your comment. Just seeing it now.
I get what you are saying about them being "diesel heaters" but lots of diesel engines will run on all sorts of stuff, as long as it's filtered. Also, they make these heaters that do run on gasoline and diesel. Adding to the confusion is the fact that there a whole bunch of people saying that they have run these on nasty waste oil for years without issue... why would someone lie about that ?
I'm guessing you don't live in a very cold climate, if your heater is able to keep your house at 20C. I'm curious as to why it cost so much more to run a gas boiler ? Also, gas as in natural gas, propane ? I have the opposite issue here.... diesel / home heating oil are both about$2 a litre, and it's often -20 to -30C. My "8kw" (really 5kw) heater can't even keep my garage at over 14C and on diesel it would be about 10L a day, about $600 a month about $200 more than it cost to heat my house and garage combined, on natural gas.
CZcams is where I always turn for information, and I usually watch enough videos so that I can pick through the trash and find the little nuggets of good info. Thanks for the comment. Cheers.
I think, maybe...possibly, you should have let set for a bit before restarting. I have a lawnmower that does the exact same thing.
Sounds like a cool lawnmower !! You're talking about the flaming exhaust ? I'm guessing that your lawnmower is running rich, most of them do.... also, your engine should have a brake to slow the engine when you shut it off... if not, the fuel will keep dumping in when you kill the engine and lots of unburnt fuel will end up in the muffler... then when you go to start it next time BANG ! It's pretty exciting.
The exact same flaming exhaust occurs with the high priced webasto units as well. I formerly worked at a school bus leasing company and we had a fleet of busses with webastos and on several occasions I was called to vehicles that failed to start and found the webasto (installed as a coolant and engine heater ) happily flame throwering the surrounding but not really hearing the exchanger.
Haha... it's pretty cool, but not ideal. As long as there's nothing close by that is flammable, I guess it doesn't matter. Thanks for the comment !
Just realized I replied to you while logged into my other YT channel. Oops. Hope I didn't confuse you too much.
Webasto heaters sometimes are like a volcano 🌋
Weird how you can just go down to the hardware store and buy a ready heater or equivalent diesel torpedo heater for about 2 to 300 depending on the size and they last for 30 years and are completely safe for use inside. I don't know why people keep buying these Chinese death traps.
Thanks for the comment.
There are a few good reasons, and a lot of not so good reasons. These things vent the exhaust outside, so if you have an area that is fairly well sealed, you don't need to worry about CO poisoning. They are very compact and don't take up floor space. They don't require any space in front of the heater due to high temps coming out, they can be turned on and off with a remote control. You can set a target temperature and they will heat to that point and go to low heat mode until the temp drops. They are between 2 and 5 kw so perfect for a small area, where a torpedo heater is too much. They are also used in RVs, campers etc.... so there are plenty of good reasons. People also purchase them as back up heaters for their house as an emergency.
I don't think these are a good primary heating source for your house, or a large area as they just don't make enough heat. Torpedo heaters are great for large open areas and make lots of heat, but they also consume a lot of fuel.
@@loweredexpectations4927 they don't produce any CO, if they did they wouldn't be allowed to sell them. They run in a lean burn state, so all you get is CO2 and water. And you don't waste any heat by pumping it outside as exhaust. Yes they may burn more fuel per time, but they are heating the space more efficiently with that fuel. A two car garage can be up to 70° in like 5 minutes and then the thermostat kicks the heater off until it cools down. If you were to run it continuously it would be 150° in there.
@@agentjwa Maybe it was an older one, but I have seen videos of people testing them and they produce CO. I have worked with them several times in fairly open areas and I can't stand the smell or sound of them. I can't imagine using in in something as small as a two car garage.
What you are saying is true, they dont' waste heat pumping it outside, and they do heat up an area quickly. I feel like they are good for an uninsulated area, a barn or worksite, but yeah, I can't imagine using one in a two car garage.
@@loweredexpectations4927 the problem is sometimes they get out of adjustment or the nozzle gets slightly clogged and they start to run rich, that's why you can smell them. But with the little research and a $20 fuel pressure gauge you can adjust the pressure and get them running perfect and they don't smell like anything and don't burn your eyes. I've actually bought about 10 of them from friends and co-workers because they quit working, almost every single one was clogged fuel filter or someone messed with the fuel pressure without knowing what they're doing because they just see a screw on the back of it and start messing with it. I usually get them for about 10 to 20 bucks and sell them on craigslist for $150 or so after maybe 15 bucks in parts and a half hour of labor.
@@agentjwa Right on ! Sounds like a good deal for you, haha.
The ones that I have the most experience with were units on job sites... The most I ever did was put fuel in them... I'm guessing that every one of them was from a rental place, was abused and only "serviced" when it refused to work at all. I honestly have zero idea of how they work ... I've never looked at a diagram of watched a video of one being taken apart / repaired.
These heaters are THE BEST.
I agree... I have 4 of them now and they are awesome ! Amazingly affordable and they work great.
I just released a video testing the exhaust gasses (CO, TVOC and HCHO) and was shocked at how good it was.
The current consumption is much higher when it is starting. Prepare for 10 A or more.
Yes, this is very true. The glow plug pulls a lot of amps on start up, and shuts off once the heater is running.
I have 3 diesel heater and they work flawlessly,I use diesel only.im not trying to burn used motor oil in the danm thing.there a reason there are called diesle heaters not used motor oil heaters.
I agree. I have 4 and 3 of them only get diesel. Awesome product.
These videos aren't saying anything bad about the. heaters, they are pointing out that burning waste oil is a bad idea ... just in a creative way. This is part one of over 30, haha.
Major Ball Bag!!!
🤣 Quite possibly the best comment I've ever had on a video.
I'd love to know what motivated you to write this, however it may just ruin your original comment.
try placing the filter after the tank but before the pump, it's a metering pump not a flow pump
Thanks. I do have a filter between the pump and tank 👍
Do you think it would work for a campervan? I'm a bit concerned about the fumes while we sleep lol
I'm not sure if this is a serious comment or if you are making fun of my smoke and flames, haha.
If you have it set up properly, and you burn diesel, then YES... these are perfectly safe and ideal for a campervan. Highly recommended...
If you try to burn anything other than diesel, you are taking a risk... I know all about that.
Burning waste oil has complications that would not otherwise occur if you were burning, even red diesel. I suggest you try it and film another video.
Oh, yes... I know all about these complications... especially now after 18 videos in this series, haha.
The cost of off road diesel / heating oil, where I am is as much or more than regular diesel as it is not commonly used and if you do get it, you have to purchase it in large quantity (minimum $500) or pay a crazy delivery fee.
We use natural gas here and while I do have two natural gas heaters (280,000 btu total), I purchased this to burn waste oil based on what some people on the internet claimed. Shame on me for not doing more research, shame on them for... not telling the whole truth.
Like you I have just bought one of these. It runs fine on 20%deisel 80% whatever other fuel you want. I use a 2 way valve to start and stop on pure deisel for ten minutes startup and stop. To get it up to temperature and to hopefully decoke at the end of the cycle. Think you may have a faulty temperature cut off.
Thanks for the info. In my climate, even with a fully insulated garage, I have to run my heater at full blast, nonstop to try to keep a reasonable temperature... so there is no shutting down... I have heard of this and I may try this set up and just switch it every 4 hours or so to see if that works. Still trying a few things.
Faulty temp cut off ? Not 100% sure what you mean.
Just realized I replied to you while logged into my other YT channel. Oops. Hope I didn't confuse you too much.
23:33 And since I now know you read the comments; The keyboard warrior in me has to come back and address this.
/s This is the proper cutting procedure. To pull the blade towards you so when it slips it gouges your leg. Excellent work.
BUT... Would you be more worried about me if I actually didn't know not to cut toward myself, or if I know and have made a calculated decision based on cutting things and myself for years 🤣
Notice the technique. Arm almost locked at the elbow, pulling the my arm into my side, bucket braced against my inner knee. The travel of the knife is limited by my elbow hitting my side and the lid / bucket are being braced so they can't slip. While I wouldn't recommend this to anyone, if you have used a utility knife a lot (in an unregulated situation) you come up with more efficient / accurate ways to cut things.
I have worked at places where you need to fill out a safety sheet if you plan on using a knife on site and then do a thorough risk assessment.... If you plan on climbing stairs with the knife you need to fill out a separate form. Shell Grease production plant and also a few Natural gas plants...
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> If you plan on climbing stairs with the knife you need to fill out a separate form.
LOL and people will still find a way to sue.
Yeah, I noticed the technique, the quarter turns. The blade is pretty well embedded in the plastic and it's not like you will cut through the bucket rim.
I worked with someone that cut someone else* with a "safety knife" (the yellow 'crewsafe' ones) while breaking down boxes. Equipment can fail, the blade could snap.
Stay safe in your calculations.
@@easymac79 OH man... that would be horrible to cut someone else ! What a horrible feeling that would be. I had a roommate who was working construction (framign) and he was kneeling at the top of a wall and put a 3 inch spike in his knee with a nail gun.... They had to lift him down because his knee was locked. Luckily it just hit muscle and tissue...
What are you doing wrong? Its got to be you. 1000’s of ppl use these year after year with no issues.
Not sure if you have watched this video... or any of my other videos, but I am clearly doing LOTS of things wrong. That is the whole idea of these videos.
Many people claiming that you can do lots of things wrong without any issues. I love these heaters and currently have one installed in my work vehicle burning pure clean diesel... it is amazing.
So because you A improperly installed it B don’t know how to make your own diesel you can burn waste oil if you mix it 70% oil 30% gas the restaurant I used to visit daily uses a Chinese diesel heater on filtered cooking oil mixed with old gas sources from a scrap yard. Mines run flawlessly mounted on the wall with the exhaust going straight down and out using the intended fuel because I’m to lazy to make my own. Just because you don’t care to use it properly doesn’t mean no one should believe the hype being Canadian you should know the message behind the house hippo
Thanks for the comment .... Curious if you are speaking from experience, or if you are just repeating something you heard... because the internet is full of people just repeating things they have heard.
The way this heater operates (the issues) has nothing to do with the way it is installed. Saying that is evidence that you don't really know what you are talking about. This is part 1 of a 30+ video series, 4 months of testing and about 1500 hours of run time. Don't just assume that I didn't try 70% 30% ...
You have used it daily for how long ? You're aware this video test was with waste engine oil and not vegetable oil ? The exhaust direction has nothing to do with the heater working or not working. I have run these on their side and upside down with no issues at all... when running on diesel.
You and everyone else claiming that this works so well need to get together and make even one convincing video... Hundreds of videos on the internet of people who have actually tried and documented with ATF, hydraulic oil, engine oil, canola oil, grape seed oil, random cooking oils who have all had failures from a few hours to a few weeks....
Lots and lots of people claiming they have had success, but I can't find one single video with any compelling evidence... Funny how that is works.
These are awesome little heaters... I now have 4 and 3 only get diesel... they work great !
Replace the fuel line with better quality tubing and add a fuel filter, runs well
Thanks for the comment.
The "replace the fuel line" is a very common misconception. Several CZcamsrs and bloggers claim this, but their reasoning is flawed, once you understand how these heaters actually work.
I do run a 80 micron inline filter. I'm sure that a finer one would be better, but not sure that it would help at all with the end result.
I plan on doing a test in the near future to prove that the quality of fuel line does not matter at all. Not trying to pick on you, by the way, I have gotten this comment a lot and just try to set people strait.
@@loweredexpectations4927 as cheap and easy as it is, why not I say.needs a filter anyway
It is not a good idea to put the heater under the ceilling, because it suck in the already heated air. I run 12-16 years old Eberspächer heater with a 3:1 Mix of Kitchenoil/Diesel and works flawless. However, the Diesel must be WINTER DIESEL with the added Winter-Additives, otherwise your fuel pipes/filter will get blocked
Thanks for the comment.
The location of my heater was chosen for ease of access as I had a feeling like I would have to work on it often. What you say about the hot air into the inlet is true but not really substantial.
You have been running 3 parts kitchn oil and 1 part diesel ? or 3 parts diesel and 1 part kitchen oil ? I have heard from many people who run 50/50 or even 30/70 (30 veg oil) and have troubles after less than a month.
Do you know if the old Eberspächer a pressure fead system with an injector nozzle, or a drool feed like the chinese units ?
I am currently running road diesel, and today it is -33C and the warmest it has been is -28. My heater, fuel and pump are all sitting outside and I haven't had any issues. Luckily it is warming up soon.
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I will install such air heater in my Workspace too, but since my Workbench has a distance of more then 10cm to the floor, I will use a 3m long 3" Pipe since the original is ways too short and use a sharp knife to make one side holes in a line with a distance of 5cm and bend it with the knife over, then the hot air can exit the whole length and if I install this pipe under the Workbench, it heat up more or less over the 3m length equal
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With kitchen oil you need to heat it up to around 40-50°C and then filter it careful with a net filter (pre-filtering for bigger dirt), then using a 10my filter and then a 1my filter.
Now you have two possibilities:
1) Cracking it (there are some CZcams videos about) and it give the best results since it become very put Bio Diesel
2) Use it as it is, but add 3-6% of additive which make the Kitchen oil durable (you can get the Diesel Pest into it) and around 2-4% additive for making it more liquid (even in the summer). This Type of Bio Diesel has to be mixed with WINTER Diesel which you can get with 1st of October on all Petrol Stations in Middle- and Northern Europe. In other countries like the USA you have to add it yourself. You can run in the Summer a Mix of 3/4 kitchen oil and 1/4 Diesel, but in the Winter, only 50/50 if you can be sure, that the Mix will never get under 0°C.
However, I use a 2/3 way valve attached directly (absolute shortest way) to my MIX-Tank with one inlet and the second Inlet to the Winter-Diesel Tank.
If my Thermostat switch on, the Diesel Heater run from DIESEL, and after it is running it switch to MIX-Diesel.
If the Thermostat switch off, I have Delay-Off Relays which prevent switching off the Heater, while the 2/3 Way valve change immediately to DIESEL.
The time for the Delay-Off Relays must be chosen accordenly to the volume of the Diesel-MIX in the pipe, hence the Diesel Heater must run so long, that only pure DIESEL is standing in the pipe
However, Oil from Sunflower, Olives and Rape react different (aso the manufacturing process) and this is what you have to figure out yourself
@@michellekonzack I have heard of people simply diluting / cutting kitchen oils for diesel engines, and that seems to work quite well. The issue that I have heard from many is that unless you remove the glycerine, you will get a nasty build up ... The reasoning : Veg oils have X amount of glycerine so after you burn X amount of oil, you are left with X glycerin in the burn chamber.
Unlike a diesel engine, where the fuel is injected at high pressure in a highly atomized mist, and the combustion process is pretty .... violent / energetic, these diesel heaters are basically candles, that pump oil onto a wick. Whatever contaminants you introduce will pool in one spot and quickly cause a blockage.
I personally have not tried veg oils of any kind, but I have heard from dozens of people who have, without success. I have tried starting on diesel while burning engine oil and there was a minor improvement, but have not yet tried veg oil.
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This, why it is better to crack the kitchen oil (it take around 24 hours) and then you see the separation of the oil and the Glycerine (settle at the bottom)
Don't use waste oil will cause over heating/smoke and add some decent diesel .
Yes, I have been testing / experimenting with waste oil mixes and have had several issues. I now have a whole series of videos dedicated to this topic. I recommend using diesel, but for me it is not economical as it is over twice the price of natural gas. (i have two NG heaters in my garage)
I really like the idea if these. A mini fuel furnace!
However, if never leave on of these running in my shop or house unattended, cause i suspect my insurance would have a hay day pointing their fingers at me over the lack of a CSA decal.
But id love one for an ice fishing shack or a small hunting cabin
Thanks for the comment. Yes, not an ideal situation to have any self installed heat source in your house. Insurance companies have a habit of doing what they can to get out of paying.
I currently have one in my work truck.... running on diesel only.
They are a diesel heater not a old oil burner, quite obvious the viscosity and contaminants in old oil are your problem rather than the heater
Yes... they are wonderfun units when used as diesel heaters. Unfortunately there are a lot of people making claims that they will burn just about anything, trouble free. I now have an 18 video series about my attempts to burn oil to 1. Show people that it is a challenge and 2. Try to save some money and 3. because it's entertaining.
Less energy from waste oil, and its will kill the pump and burner unit unless you run diesel through it, same if you Kerosene.....
Engine oil has less energy than diesel ? Are you sure about that ?
Waste oil won't kill the pump quickly, because I have as I have over 1200 hours of use on mine at full heat, with no signs of failure. Works perfectly.
Waste oil will clog up the burn chamber pretty quickly. I have also experienced this every few days for 4 months strait... It clogs up even if you mix with diesel or run it on diesel for a hour every 4 hours.
Kerosene seems to work pretty well based on what several people have reported. It doesn't lubricate as well as diesel, so I assume in several thousand hours the pump may wear out.
@@loweredexpectations4927 Petrol 46mj. Crude oil 31mj diesel 39mj. Waste cooking oil avg 33mj. So yes, generally more energy in diesel, and is designed to burn, waste oil will have less as it has been used and is full of contaminants. Do you have an inline filter, that would make a difference to the life of the pump, not trying to be difficult, take care. Mike
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@@michaelstanley3961 Sorry if I came across as a dick in my first response. My girlfriend / common law is leaving and as a result I may be losing my house, more importantly my garage etc.... so I'm a little on edge, haha.
Ok... I figured out where the confusion is / was... I have always used energy by volume and not mass. Crazy how much difference that makes.
Diesel is 38.6/L and Petrol is 34.2 and crude oil is 37. Using volume makes more sense to me, because the pump is delivering a fixed volume fuel and you generally have a fix volume tank. Purely a guess, but I would assume that engine oil has slightly more energy than crude.
Absolutely, diesel has been engineered for almost a 100 years to burn clean, without leaving crap behind... and engine oil is designed not to burn. Contaminants or not, it has additives and it is also has lots of naturally occurring stuff that just doesn't burn well.
I do filter my oil in a very crude way before it goes into the tank, and then an inline filter before it goes to the pump.
Cheers and thanks for replying !
this is not made to put that inside a house or garage but outside beside or under a vehicule or mabe a building. but definetaly not inside. there is dielsel tank and near the heater. i think its common sense to not put that in your house
Thanks for your comment. You have made a statement, but not given any reason, evidence or proof to back your statement.
Manufacturers installation recommendations from many manufacturers clearly show installation inside of vehicles, campers and trailers. I would not argue for one second that my installation is proper (it is not safe) but when installed properly, there is nothing wrong with installing these indoors or inside.
It's a diesel heater not waste oil ,as a mechanic you should know the btu value between the two.
Yes, but this video got 55K views, haha.
Seriously though. This series was made because there are many people on forums and in videos, claiming these heaters can burn anything. I have had a lot of people comment saying they were going to try burning waste oil, but after seeing my videos, have changed their mind. 👍
I was fairly confident it would plug the heater up in time, maybe a few months, as they burn a small amount of fuel, but the truth is just a few hours.
So 55k views , are you out to ruin this person? What type of person would go out of there way to ruin someone ?
Also it is you who did not do research for proper installation ,
@@user-kr7oo7zf1m I seriously have no idea what you are talking about. Ruin who ? Who's in danger of getting ruined ?
@@user-kr7oo7zf1m Did you not read my response comment ? It seems to me you are confused about something.
Was really considering one of these to replace my kerosene heaters. Looks like you are in Calgary. With the -30 degree temps we have had this week I'm curious to see if this thing would be able to heat an insulated, double attached garage. Any insight you have would be appreciated. Right now I have a kerosene torpedo heater and an upright wick heater but would like something that can vent exhaust outside and doesn't cost as much to run.
There are only about 5 million clips on CZcams about these heaters. Feel free to use the search function !
@@regwatson2017 Obviously been doing that and came across this vid in the process. Liked this chaps video and was interested in HIS opinion as he is local to me. Thanks for your insight.
Hey ! I am in Calgary. I won't make you wait for the upcoming videos. My garage is pretty well insulated and this heater was able to keep the temp up around 13C during this nasty cold spell.
I can't, at this time recommend running one of these on anything but diesel though... It works perfectly using diesel, but anything else is problematic. The cost of running diesel will quickly add up ...
My recommendation would be to get Mr Heater if that is at all possible / practical for you. I got mine at PrincessAuto several years ago, on sale, and the price of them has more than doubled now... Still, an 80,000 BTU MR HEATER will have your garage t shirt warm in 10 minutes. It always works, it is convenient, and in the long run it will be much more cost effective...
With the diesel heaters you will likely run them nonstop to keep the temp with the MR HEATER you can leave it just above freezing, and then blast it up to 17-18 while you are out there... assuming you are working out there. If you are just storing vehicles the same will be true for cost of heating.
@@PUBHEAD1 HAHA... Not sure what's up with ol Regie... You're welcome to ask me questions. Also, just reread your question / statements and thought I'd add a few things.. These aren't really 8Kw they are more like 5. If you are actually running kerosene you could buy two of these and run them full time, full blast and it would still cost you less than your torpedo heater. On full power one of these burns about 5 litres of diesel in 10-14 hrs ... I haven't calculated accurately yet... And yes, you can vent the exhaust outside, so that is great.
Just realized I replied to you while logged into my other YT channel. Oops. Hope I didn't confuse you too much.
Robert Murray-Smith made a video 5 days ago on how to clean waste oil with gelatin then he adds something else to it and it works great. Worth the 7 minute watch time.
Thanks for the comment and recommendation... I will be sure to check that video out ! Much appreciated.
I've watched the video... I'm curious if it would work with motor oil. He is using cooking oil. Adding the paraffin adds quite a bit of cost to the fuel as it is about $6 per litre. I may give it a try.
I have heard of ppl using these for 3-5 years with no trouble, then some use them for 3-5 minutes with nothing but trouble!! I think I'd build a little centrifugal filter for the oil, a modified break drum, spun at about 2500-3500 rpm will do nicely, a roughly 12" drum, with cover coveri g the large opening to about 3"-4", no more than 6" , attach the cover seal with silicone, the clean oil will come out the hole and be slung off while spinning, so it needs to be inside a tub, and mounted on a motor, with a stand from 1" tubing, and plate steel, use a tub with lid, and a drain hole in the end, at the bottom, with a lid , having a hole in it , at the center of the drum, using a funnel, that fits thru the lid, into the center of the drum, about 1" below the top plate, turn it on, and fill with oil slowly, the dirt will stick to the walls if the drum, the clean oil will climb the top plate, and exit the hole and be slung off the drum, collecting in the tub, works well with cooking oil also, removing the top plate to clean out the gunk regularly, depending on how dirty the oil is, is a must, or it will stop cleaning the oil, the edge of the drum can be wrapped with denim or foam filter matereal for an extra layer of filtering, but at over 2k rpm only the lightest matereal is going to make it out, the break drum will need an adapter plate to fit the motor shaft, and cover the holes in the drum, then it will need to be centered, and all holes sealed, of coarse a pot will work also, cut a hole in the center of the lid, make a latch to hold it on, and still an adapter to the motor, but smaller the diameter, the more rpm the motor needs to spin, a 8" pot will need to spin 3k-4k rpm,
Faster the better, just Incase it may help, dirty oil may cause issues as well!! Good luck!
So many comments that YT didn't inform me of...
Thanks for the very detailed comment with all the information. I did think if building a centrifuge, and if I do this would be a great way to do it... I love the brake drum idea. I don't know that I want to dedicate that much time and space to filtering fuel, but I really do appreciate the input !! I had been thinking about building one and wondering how to balance it but a drum would already be balanced well enough and have a centering hole... perfect.
Thanks James !
Parts per liter. BC
Excellent, you get a thumbs UP for the superb intro !!
Thank you! Cheers!
ordered this heater in 8kw version to get it to run on waste oil which I can get in almost unlimited quantities for free, because car repair services have to pay a lot to get rid of it. From what I saw till now it's good idea to have two oil tanks, one with pure diesel and one with alternative fuel with valve so you can start it on pure, than switch to alternative. For the waste oil itself its good to have it in a large barel and let it settle down for a month, than pump if from the top so rubish stays at the bottom. For finer particles it's good to have 10 micron filter. Then comes the diluting. My friend uses 30% red diesel to 70% filtered waste oil for his WV golf mk2 and It works fine for more than 10 years. So heater should work fine too. I will experiment with diluting waste oil with diesel and maybe a touch of gasoline.
I assume this heater must be at high setting and with little manipulation from fuel quantity and air quatity It should burn clean. If you turn down the heater unproper burning and carbon buildup normaly ocurs. I had water heating for the house on red diesel and it was similar.
Thanks for the comment !
I think the difference between this and a diesel engine is that there is very little pressure or turbulence. The combustion chambre of a engine is a pretty violent place, so deposits can be forced out as they are produced. Filtering is a great idea, the more, the better, but in the end you will have contaminants / stuff in the oil that doesn't burn well. Most of that stuff is going to settle in the burn chambre and only come out with you pick it out.
The starting on diesel trick may work if you are running your heater for short periods, a few hours at a time, but I run mine for days on end. The diesel will 100% clean out some of the nasty stuff from oil, I have tested this by running diesel for a few days and then taking it apart. Start up and shut down on diesel would work for some people, but on waste oil mix, mine will stop working after a few days even running at really high temperature.
I have heard claims that you have to burn oil with a much higher fan speed and slow the pump so that there is enough air flow to 1. help burn more completely, and 2. Help push out the junk that doesn't burn before it builds up. I may have to replace my controller to be able to control fan and fuel speed independently.
I have tried the "alpine mode" that leans out the mix, and it only lasted 10 hrs before completely clogging up. I've also tried to manually decrease fuel flow by pinching the line, and that didn't work either. I will post the recommendations someone gave to me, if you have a controller and you can do this, awesome !
Dayle Edwards . I have three of these heaters, all burning oil. I have hundreds of liters of the stuff... Set the pump and fan speed to my settings. Run the fan speed at full rpms. The heater will not run any higher than a pump speed of 2.5 to 3 Hz without eventually clogging, this will slightly reduce heat output. Above 3 Hz, there is too much oil and smoke will result. My heaters start reliably and don't smoke and dont smell after starting.
Also with the wrong mixture you will get a lot of carbon build up. That will cause the machine to fail. You probably need to clean your machine now. Next to this it is well known that the Chinese machines are not calibrated very well. There are CZcams videos explaining how you can do this. Your videos are entertaining though. Good luck with your heater. Mine is fine btw. But then again I am using diesel or a fuel with same flash point and make sure you burn your oil as clean as possible. If your exhaust is smoking too much when it is running for a while it is a bad indication. Even in -5 mine is not giving any clear exhaust after couple of minutes. This means it is efficiënt and that carbon build up is minimal. These heaters can easily achieve over 90% efficiency.
Thanks for another comment !
I have ordered a different controller that will allow me to change the air fuel ratio. My current controller does not allow this.
I have had to clean out my heater several times now... I am getting pretty good at it, haha. Diesel works great in mine as well. I have run it for several hundred hours without issues, on diesel... motor oil, not so much.
I have made some progress throughout my testing and the testing continues. Cheers !
Yeah how many years did you use this and not clean it out once. Every 2 to 3 years depending on how much you use it you have to clean out the unit. Take it all apart use brake cleaner and clean it out and replace the screen and glow plug and put all new gaskets in putting it back together. Best 100 I’ve ever spent to heat my 30x30 garage. But I keep up on maintenance. Ppl think you can just use stuff and never do any work to it. If that’s the case just buy a new one every 2 years. Also if you mess with the setting it will do this to they are set to burn diesel efficiently.
These heaters are amazing, and when you burn diesel in them, they are very reliable... I have 4 of them now and 3 of them run on diesel.... The one in this video is for torture testing and sometimes gets cleaned out 3-4 times a day, haha.
I have a bunch of videos testing this heater with all sorts of waste oil mixtures and none of them really work.... However, one of my latest videos I did some emissions testing and it was pretty shocking how clean these heaters actually run when tuned correctly.
I cant wait the tension is killing me.
I will try to get the next video out within the next few days. Cheers and thanks for the comment !!
Just realized I replied to you while logged into my other YT channel. Oops. Hope I didn't confuse you too much.
I saw a cat I’m clicking Like 🐈
Haha... That's my boy, Quasar !
I like the opening speech! As an engineer working at power plants with all sorts of fuels I would say that there is no way you will get anything safe for that price or that is made in that country. And it was proven in this vid that it does not have the security features that would be required on something that burns and have a tank on top. The reviews I have seen it all looks like quite thin and flimsy meterial and in time it would risk burning hole and contaminating the air going into the house which could cause injury or worse. I would never put this in or near my house. Buy an air/air heat pump instead or go for a proper heating system.
Thanks for the comment, glad you like the intro ! haha.
These seem to be ok when burning diesel, but yes, many of them, including mine, have a very stupid program that doesn't have many inputs to make it safe. Some other ones have more sensors, but still with something this basic, there's not much in the way of safety.
I have a 200,000 btu tankless heater that runs off natural gas for my floor heating, and a back up 80,000 btu Mr Heater unit. This was supposed to be a supplement to burn some waste and save some money. It's turning into a real headache.
Buy a waste oil heater commercially built for commercial use
I already have a 200,000 btu natural gas floor heating system and 80,000 btu hanging heater... The last thing I need is another heater, haha. However, this heater was $200 ish... If you want to donate a commercial waste oil heater I will accept ... or if you want to sell me one for $200... we have a deal.
Why not put the filter on before the pump? If the filter plugs up and restricts it will cause the fuel pump to not run thinking that the burner has adequate fuel pressure. That will cause the burner to over heat do to lean burn. 😢 what happens when you tune a two stroke to lean ??
The filter is before the pump, tho it may not look that way.
I just released a video called "NO FUEL PUMP - Debunking The Quality Fuel Line Myth" These heaters do not care about fuel pressure and only care if they get fuel... That's why the pumps are called "dosing pumps" I will try to link the video in another comment so this one doesn't get blocked.
Diesel is not the same as gasoline... when you run diesel lean, it gets colder, and when you run it rich, it gets hot.... this is why you see trucks driving around "rolling coal" rich makes power.
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As with most cheap chinese things I buy on the internet, I always budget and extra 30-50% ontop of what I pay to.... bring it up to a better quality. Out of the box they usually only run really well at higher power settings. If you intend to mostly use it at lower power, I recommend switching to a smaller fuel pump, or putting in a fuel pressure damper (you can get these cheap as all hell at most car junkyards). WIth the very small diamater exhaust they can suffer.. I had my local car muffler place weld a small catalytic converter onto it and then scavenge waste heat from the exhaust which adds another Kw to your output and makes it much cleaner... Just if you've gone to the expense of putting a cat onto it, only use good quality diesel... no motor oil or chip fat, those will ruin the expensive cat and clog it up.
That is often the case. I have found this heater to be pretty great. Considering all of the abuse that I have put it through, and the fact that it is still running ... That says something.
I have considered getting a smaller fuel pump to change the afr instead of changing the hz (my current controller can't do this) but I have already ordered a new ecu and controller. Funny that you mention the cat... I have a friend who is going to get me a cat so that I can do the same thing, but yeah... it would get destroyed pretty quickly running anything but clean diesel or maybe kerosene.
Thanks for the comment !
Bought a petrol car. Filled it up with cheaper diesel now it wont work and im going to make a video how bad this petrol car is. and i almost burned my garage down......
Lol... perhaps you either didn't watch, or didn't understand the video.
I have 4 of these and I love them all as well. I have nothing bad to say about the product... I'm only saying bad things about those who claim you can burn any old thing you want in them, trouble free. (I run 3 of them on diesel only)
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@@loweredexpectations4927 it was ment to be a like funny comment 😋😋. Only im not english so maby when u read it its comes across drifferent. But it was supposed to make u laugh. I seen more of your videos they are great. 👍
@@RealfishingNL Oh ok, haha. Now that I know that, great comment, haha. Cheers !
@@loweredexpectations4927 its hard to make a how do u say a joke in english that also people who speak english understand. Have a nice day. Greatings from the netherlands. Now 05:32 am
@@RealfishingNL Your english is good enough that I thought it was your native language. Well done. "5:32am" I do not envy you 🤣... you should be sleeping.
Buy a waste oil burner not a diesel burner. Operator error again not the product. Smh
I totally agree. Perhaps you missed the point of the video. I don't think I said anything bad about the heater.... My beef is with all the people who claim you can burn anything in these.
I now have 4 of these and the only one with issues is the test heater, that I burn waste oil in... go figure. Awesome little heaters !
Thanks for your comment.
Make sure you watch a tube on how to mix used oil and diesel.
Thanks for the comment. I have been mixing my waste oil with diesel, but have not had good results. I believe I need a controller that can change the air fuel ratio.
Never leave that thing running unattended. Your insurance may not cover the fire.
They don’t cover anything. You just pay them and the fine print says. We no pay you.
That is a good point. Thanks for the comment. They almost certainly wouldn't ... even if they did, I don't think I have updated my house or garage value ever, so nothing I have would be covered... altho they did accept photos of items when I had a break in a few years back. Still... most of the stuff I have is not replaceable anyway.
@@BeeHiverson They try really hard not to, haha.
After 7 years in insurance, I don't have it because I saw too many cases not being paid out. I finally left when I was fed up fighting for my clients all the time. I saw the other side too, where people knowingly abused the system and jammed luck to their favour with lies and false information. Holistically insurance is so much like a casino!
@@chrisdekock8864 Yeah...It's gotta be a rough business for anyone who is honest and compassionate. It sucks to see those who don't deserve anything always winning because they work the system, and those who genuinely deserve help being screwed over... I think every system has a tendency to move towards these extremes in all businesses and government, and it's only pressure from the public that keep these systems somewhat in line. It is really hard when the government is supposed to put checks and balances in place to ensure fair treatment, and then they create legislation to protect the bad guys.
Kerosene would be a better choice.
Yes, unfortunately, kerosene is about $5 per litre where I am. I may get some to experiment with, but long term diesel is much cheaper $1.66 per litre. I just checked and it's down to $1.21.
Not the smartest peanut in the turd huh. I’ve heated a two car garage for four years and I’ve never had a problem besides the first time when I over primed it. His whole set up is wrong All of his failures were obvious.
After seeing this video, I would never trust him on any subject. But it is good information to learn from other peoples mistakes.
Only run diesel or kerosene, which is pretty much the same thing. Never really have a problem. I ended up buying three more because they work so well.
67 Thousand views on this video, and you are one of the Special few who:
1. Didn't bother to actually watch before commenting.
2. Aren't smart enough to figure out what the video is actually about ,or hopefully...
3. Were just having a bad day and just decided to vent in my comment section.
Where should I even start. I have 4 of these heaters and 3 of them haven't had any issues... You don't have to be smart to not have issues with these heaters. The 3 that don't have issues... I run on diesel. I've heated my garage, two vehicles my house and a wheelbarrow... in a year... I'm an overachiever 🤣
My setup has nothing to do with my heater failures, and you claiming it does shows that, you probably know less about them than you think you do. Feel free to tell me about the "obvious" failure, based on my setup, and I will explain to you why you are wrong. Waste oil is the only reason.
Ding ding ding ... We have a winner !!! .... "learning from others mistakes". This video, and the 30 after it, are dedicated to testing (mostly) false claims made by other CZcamsrs, CZcams comments and people on forums and blogs. I've had a LOT of people comment saying I saved them from burning "alternative fuels".
These heaters are awesome ! The reason I tested it with a waste oil mix is because 3 popular CZcamsrs were making claims that this would work fine. (That and I love experimenting) I have lots of oil and thought I'd see how much it would actually burn. I didn't believe the "3 years without cleaning" that one person said, but I thought maybe a month.
PS. You can also burn paint thinner or Varsol and it works perfectly fine. I am about to test acetone, lacquer thinner, and some more interesting things like bacon fat, coconut oil... and some secret stuff.
You put that fuel filter on backwards
A few people have said this, but nope.... Oh wait ... you're 100% right !
LOL.... That's funny. I have put so many of these on that I've told at least two other people that they were wrong . Oops. I'm a mechanic and during the summer months I install 3-4 of these a day... This to say "I know how they are suppose to be installed, I just did it wrong anyway.
In the end it really doesn't matter, but yes, it is wrong.
It does in fact, matter. You got alot to learn do better.
@@jacobpoucher "You got alot to learn do better." lol.
1. If you're pointing out a mistake, awesome ! If you're being a dick and criticizing, at least make a sentence that makes sense.
2. I suppose if I watch your videos I won't find any errors ? 🤔 🤣 Right...
3. If you're going to make such a bold statement about this filter .... I'd really like to hear your wisdom on this matter. I might even learn something. Other than no being able to see ho much dirt is in the filter ... please explain to us all how this matters.
Before you go and say something stupid like "there's more surface area on the outside of the filter so it's going to get plugged if dirt collects on the inside" .... This is a plastic mesh filter that is not pleated, so the surface area is exactly the same, and that's a nonsense argument anyway.
@loweredexpectations4927 there wouldn't be a arrow on it if it didn't matter easy as that. I'm not going to spoon feed it to you, you can finger it out yourself you are headed in the right direction.
NEVER use cooking oil! Only high quality diesel fuel. No wonder you almost burnt your garage down! 😂
🤔..... NOW you tell me... where were you when I was trying this !?
I now know that this was bad idea, and the reason why I tried it was because other youtubers said it worked great for 3 years with no roubles, and I was desperate for cheap heat.
Eventually it evolved into a crazy 40 part experiment, haha.
I lowered my expectations watching this video.
Um.... I don't know how to tell you this, but, your clever comment is stated at the intro of every other video on this channel... except for this one. 🤣
Sorry I missed your comment from 10 months ago... I try to get them all.
Could they heat up a garage 24x26
Yes and no... Mine is 24x26 and it is able to keep it about 10 - 13C when it is about -30C outside... I have 2x6 insulated walls and a partly insulated attic area. The issue is that it is going to cost you a lot of money. I would not suggest running these on anything but diesel, and burning diesel is going to cost you a lot more than natural gas or propane. If you are using it a few times a year to take the chill off, then it might make sense for you, but if you plan on using it all the time then I would get something else.
Propane or natural gas with a ceiling mount Mr Heater will work a lot better, be faster, more convenient, safer, not affect your insurance and increase the value of your house / garage.
The only reason I have one of these is because I was under the impression that it would work fine on waste oil and that I would have some free fuel. I'm continuing with my experiments but I have not yet found any way to make waste oil burn well and cost effective.
@@JoelArseneaultCZcams thanks for the reply
@@kyleerickson3382 Sorry for the confusion ... I replied to you while I was logged into my other account. I'm guessing you figured that out.
Its a diesel heater not a waste oil heaters
I'm pretty sure that I pointed that out in this video, and have a series of 30 videos following this one that highlight that this is not a waste oil heater... Others say it is... I say it's not.
They are a cheaper version of a semi espar heater
Yes, I'm not sure if Espar was the one that came up with the design, there are a few high end brands of diesel parking heaters.
100% User Error
1000% in agreement. These things are awesome when you use them properly. Just released a video of installing on in my truck... wish I would have done it years ago...
Makes me wonder how they would run on food grade oil. Maybe a 50/50 mix with diesel.
David McLuckie tried to run one on pure clean cooking oil, and couldn't get it to run, even when preheating it, but I don't recall if he has tried a mix. I suspect that it would be similar to trying to burn waste motor oil, but maybe a little easier. Just a guess tho.
I believe they are called diesel heaters,mine as been working brilliantly,not a problem at all...no issues at all
Haha... I love the sarcasm 😂... I actually released a video where I did some testing running it on diesel, and you won't believe the results, lol.... Seriously though, these things are awesome pieces of kit if you plan on burning diesel. My testing is to show that if you burn waste oil, you can expect to have some issues. Unfortunately, there are people out there saying that you can toss any old liquid into the tank and bob's your aunty... Hopefully people walk away from my videos with the idea that burning junk other than diesel can cause serious problems. Thanks for the comment !
@@loweredexpectations4927 some one on CZcams made a bio diesel...that I fancy having a go at
@@robton007 I think that's a fantastic idea and likely WAY easier than what I'm doing. The reason I am using waste oil is because I have a steady supply of it that I need to either dispose of or use 👍
Sorry if I confused you with that last comment. I was signed in on my other account.
Never had a problem must be the person running it . And try diesel fuel
You never had any problem running it on waste oil, or diesel ?
I have tried running it on diesel, 5 days non stop, in total, and it is currently running on diesel right now... runs great.
It's crazy cuz the heaters are $67 now on eBay lol
Yeah... the prices have come down a lot... I have 5 of them now and a 6th one on the way.
the clue is in the name diesel heater not waste oil burner... people are really THICK.
Yes... I have zero complaints about the heater.... I love the heater and have 4 of them now. I'm complaining about people who make false claims, not about the heater.
Exactly as i said people are thick, when i was a kid a motorcar owners manual told you how to adjust tappets & set the points, now they tell owners not to drink the battery fluid. go figure. nice vids btw.
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Hot Air rises.... putting it near the ceiling is futile
I think what you mean to say is that it is not optimal or the best idea, and I agree. However, pointing the air hose down spreads the heat out.
Also, while heat does rise, it's not quite as simple as that. It's not like a helium balloon or a floaty toy in water. Heat dispurses to lower energy levels. If the air at your ceiling is 30C, it's not like it will never heat up at floor level... it just means floor level heats more slowly, and it will always be hotter at the ceiling than at the floor.
This heater has no trouble heating my garage in this configuration... when running on diesel.
Replace the cheap plastic tubing very un safe.
I have had a few issues with the cheap tubing by getting it way too hot, but it's not as bad as people say... When mine got damaged, it was sitting next to a glowing red hot exhaust.
Seems like you have a faulty thermostat.
In what way ? Thanks for the comment.
This is not a "ready-to-use" device. It's a cheap suggestion and you need to find a way to set it up safely or safe enough. The times of "I pressed this button and this happend" are over ;-)
Sorry I missed your comment. I have found it to be pretty good working on diesel... not so much on motor oil. That being said, I haven't been able to kill it and it has almost killed me... haha.
If you burned diesel fuel in it like you are suppose to the heater would work great. The heater is not the problem YOU ARE.
Thank you for the comment. You are correct about this, and the idea of my video series is to raise awareness ... many people make videos claiming you can run these on anything, and I am showing, that is not the case. I just chose an entertaining way to do that.
I currently have one of these in my GM truck running on diesel and one in my friends 4Runner and they are awesome !
Is that a Mini in your garage?
It is... 1067. Sadly, I will probably be selling it soon as I'm in a bit of a tight spot financially .... I have a few videos on it on my Joel Arseneault channel. Nothing too exciting.
I’ve been looking for one.
Interesting
@@shawnmckague9220 I worked on it non stop for 2-3 years, and then bought this house. It didn't have a garage and the house needed renovations (still does, haha) so that took most of my time for the next 10 years ... It has had a lot of work done and is relatively close to being "done" but all it does now is gather dust and take up space.
My plan was to start working on it again, but I probably won't have time for that / won't make time for that until I retire, and I won't ever be able to retire... so... If / when it goes for sale, I'll likely make a video announcing it.
I have one, I live in Southern Commiefornia and it’s absolutely awesome. Maybe I’m lucky with this one but reality is with our limited “legal” options this heater works great! I did make a few upgrades to the fuel deliver. I added an inline filter and water separator as well as different fuel line. The original green stuff didn’t look too good. As of yet it’s never even blow smoke like a lot of people have had.
Thanks for the comment. Yes, these are awesome little heaters !! I have one in my work truck now, currently heating it up before I head out to get something to eat. As long as you burn diesel in them, they work flawlessly.
I'm getting a second one next week to install in my friends 4Runner.
Are these safe for home heating?
Do they have any sort of tilt shut off?
They are not practical for heating a home, as they do not put out enough heat, unless you have 4-5 of them. They do not have any sort of top over protection, but they are supposed to be firmly mounted and not just sitting in place.
You can purchase these not fitted into the case (or remove it from the case). If you plan to transport the heater form one area to another, the style that I have makes sense, otherwise, one of the other kits (or removing this heater from the case) make more sense. Cheers.
Hi buddy,great video,Do you have the exhaust connected to your shop vent by any chance ?
Sorry I missed your comment. Just seeing it now. My exhaust goes into the ventilation system, but the system is not turned on. The exhaust is carried out via convection current when the heater warms up.
@Lowered Expectations could be your problem,if your not venting straight out into the atmosphere,the exhaust is not getting to cool as the fumes are not going out quick enough
@@kiltedmonster1 A few others have had this thought as well. I assure you that this is not the case. The exhaust caught on fire internally due to unburnt fuel building up and sticking to the walls. The ventilation system has no effect on the exhaust, but if it did, it would get extra air as the vent is slightly lower pressure than atmosphere.
OK, buddy, just a thought that I was thinking good luck 👍 have a great weekend
@@kiltedmonster1 I appreciate it ! I am human and I often overlook things.
I was waiting for any useful information, but it never came. You just pointed at all the other reviewers as-if they were morons and then went about your day without giving any useful information.
I understand how this could be confusing. It was future me that shot the intro... I believe I pointed this out... The footage in the video was mostly shot while the heater was working ok... and then around 20 minutes into the video, I mentioned that the heater overheated.
This is a multi part series... I think I also pointed that out at the first of the video. At the time of shooting the intro and outro of the video, I had started to have all sorts of issues with the heater, and wanted to tell a thorough story... so I showed it from the beginning.
If you have questions, I'm happy to answer, but I have 30+ videos about testing with the heater, after this one.
Lmao......I hope your engine troubleshooting skills are better than with your heater. There are so many variables with burning waste anything from viscosity to having fuel mixed with the oil. If you've ever seen a melted 2 stroke piston, which I assume you have, you would have a pretty decent understanding of what's going on. I havent run waste through mine yet but i woikd imagine that you'd have to tweak the hz settings a bit because that waste oil will likely have far more btu's in it. Lol....I slso wouldnt leave it running unattended......it is a $150 off shore fuel burning,catalyzing combustion chamber afterall.
Haha.... thanks for the comment. This turned into a 30 part video series. I like tinkering with crap and experimenting. Diagnosing engines is pretty easy. I agree that the quality if used oil is a big problem but I believe it has more to do with oil vs fuel... as many of my experiments have shown.
I wonder why more people don't install these outside the garage and only plumb the DC wiring and heated air outlet into the building. Maybe the fresh air inlet as well so you have warmer intake charge to begin with. Seem less risky in case it does catch fire, meltdown in any way.
I am strongly considering this. There are two main reasons why I have not done this. One is that if you have it outside, you either need to have two 3" holes in your wall, or you are heating outside air. Heating outside air is not going to work where I am. It was -30C all last week. Trying to heat -30C air wouldn't work very well. Secondly is that when I frequently stopped working, I would have to go outside in the freezing cold and snow to remove and install it for it's daily cleaning, haha.
If you are running diesel and don't have issues with it running, this is a way better set up for sure... You would have to recirculate the inside air to get good results, but this is much safer, quieter and it doesn't take up space inside.
@@loweredexpectations4927 Makes sense to pull shop air, not ambient outside air. I'm SW B.C. so it's not as cold. I'd imagine the lcd display won't work at those temps either, so you'd have to extend the harness and move controller inside. Best option I've seen for reliable use oil burning is a converted oil furnace or dedicated shop heater but they're $$$. The residential furnaces can be picked up for free and there's a couple ebay sellers that have the whole conversion as a kit depending on how much free time you have to mess with the guesswork otherwise. I've also been skeptical of some of these videos since used oil is so inconsistent even from engine to engine. Like grandpa's 76 caddy is going to have way more carbon and hc after 5k than a new Toyota. Clean oil doesn't burn worth a shit.
@@tkovac4912 Spot on ! Waste oil is very inconsistent. If I was in a different area, I would totally build a waste oil furnace, but it's not practical for me here. The biggest difference between these and a homemade WO furnace is the ability to clean them quickly and the size. If I can crank the fan speed up independently of the oil, I have been told that that will create enough turbulence to clean the chambre out... Do I believe it.... not yet.
Not designed to run on oil. This is all you fault
Yes, I know. I tried to make this clear in the video. The problem isn't the heaters, it is people saying you can run them on oil. I have 3 that I only run on diesel and they are awesome !
@@loweredexpectations4927 ahhh gotcha.