[TS22] Running the LIVING LEGEND that's never been retired!
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- čas přidán 4. 09. 2024
- In this video, we briefly run the UP 844 by Smokebox for Train Simulator 2022! And, my own hubris and desire for speed gets me. We also talk a little bit about oil firing along the way.
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Hi Hyce, what a nice surprise coming across this video! About the black smoke and the steam generation, one thing is that it's important to adjust the damper (the little rotating handle on the side of the firebox door cover) so that it's about the same percentage open as the firing handle, in order to balance the fuel-air mixture. The other thing is to keep the flues clear of soot by clicking and holding on the sand bucket. The soot builds up when there's black smoke, but it'll clear if you sand for long enough. While the sand is scouring the flues, you'll get even more black smoke (that's the soot beign thrown out the stack!). You should also use the sludge removers frequently so as to avoid foaming (yeah, the other kind of foaming. lol!)
You simulated sanding the flues you wizard you! Hahahaha. That's awesome! Looking forward to the challenger, btw.
@@Hyce777 Thanks, and I'm looking forward to when you upload a video of my version of the Challenger (which should be available sometime in the summer) :)
@@Hyce777 I forgot to mention that the soot does actually reduce the ability to raise steam, so it's worthwhile keeping an eye on it.
is it pc only?
@@MrStr4wBerry302 That's correct. TS Classic (what used to be called TS22) is only on PC. Train Sim World 2 (TSW2), which is another game by the same studio (Dovetail Games), has versions for PC and console (XBox) but it doesn't currently have any non-UK steam locos.
I enjoy that you can see Hyce jiggling this perfect digital throttle like it still has slop in its pins
"Let's just do this thing that blocks the tracks behind us, what could go wrong?" Hyce eventually learned what could go wrong.
Where did that happen
apparently the signals are just for show, lmao
@@christinahartley209 when he started disconnecting the cars behind himself. That's what caused the AI collision that ended the scenario.
7:02 Flashing green over red is DIVERGING CLEAR LIMITED. aka Proceed on to the diverging route, but speed through turnout must not exceed 40mph.
A solid Green over Red is DIVERGING CLEAR. aka Proceed through the diverging route at Prescribed Speed. Ignore the Red on the top, it's just there to tell Operator that it's working.
However if you DO see a Yellow on the top of that Green signal, it means the NEXT signal is a speed change. Green flashing under Yellow is 40, Green solid is 60 unless a Permanent Speed Restriction sign is present at that signal.
Cheers mate, sounds like someone's had to study that before haha
@@Hyce777 Well... Didn't have to study it. I had a UP Signal reference Card in my truck from when I used to run flatbeds with Ties out to MoW crews. I'd read it when I was bored, it just kind of stuck with me.
@@SternLX ah fair enough, was assuming you were a conductor. They drill those guys on the aspects pretty hard. That's cool though!
@@Hyce777 Funny enough, it was a Conductor that left it in my Truck. LOL
at 18:18 here’s what you do. You start coasting and you maximize your steam pressure building. That’s my recommendation from a non-engineer/fireman person.
844, to me at least, never quite looked like it was built in 1944. It looks newer than that, not only in its quality of materials but also in its general design. It almost feels like the kinds of steam locomotives that would’ve been built today, had diesels and electrics never come about. Especially with the additional modern control stands in the cab like you mentioned.
Is it possible that it was re-built or re-boilered, or possibly modernized?
@@weylinwest9505 it was, but even when it was first built, it’s aesthetics looked oddly modern.
With the exception of not using roller bearings the UP FEF-3 was arguably the most advanced steam locomotive ever built. All the latest and greatest of the end of steam.
If you want speed I recommend one of the British mainline routes, they are pretty much all super flat and straight for speed.
Though it does look kinda silly, UP 844 is soo big the cylinders clip through station platforms.
I got smokeboxes 844 up to 100 or 105MPH before I got an error saying the valve gear was destroyed. (maybe it was 115MPH?)
If you want speed get the mount shasta southern pacific route then from Dorris to mount Shasta it’s flat for like 20 miles
This loco deserves a medal of status and honor just for the fact its never been retired
I find this to be correct, maybe in another video hyce could give some history on it.
Has one! Called a Builders Plate!! 🤣
Hyce if you want to have more fun with British stuff try the SR Q1 where you can blow it up if you make a mistake and there is a route set in Wales using J94 tank engines that at one point has a 1:20 grade and you have all the fun of hauling slate cars up a very steep route.
both worth it for a good fun challenge.
Great job! Love seeing your hijinks in Smokebox’s creations. Next, might I suggest his Consolidation. I believe that was his first, 844 came next. Even now, I find it a ton of fun to run. There’s some good scenarios to download for it on the workshop.
Cheers
you know I think you're right. the 2-8-0 was first.
Some day I will get to see the living legend in person. My great grandpa fired the locomotive during its original time in service and I have missed seeing it multiple times. :(
If you’re looking to change it up from western steam, I think it’d be fun to see you try one of DSGDDR’s Pennsy steamers on the Horseshoe Curve route from Altoona to Johnstown. Steep grades, tight curves, and a nice long downhill stretch after the summit to get some spicy times.
Yeah definitely
That sounds like a good bit of fun. Soft spot for Pennsy power here. I just recently learned about those. Maybe grab an atlantic and go for speed :)
@@Hyce777 I’ve gotten the Atlantic to about 105 on the downhill. There are some bits that in railworks are above 2%, so it’ll be a fair challenge for you.
I'm driving the Dreyfuss Hudson right now and I got it up to 108 mph with 18 coaches
My favorite steam locomotive, the 844 is such a beautiful engine. Especially with those white painted wheels.
The FEF-3 is a versatile engine too not just good looking and fast, they are properly suited to both passenger and fast freight, something the american class 1s back in the steam era said was not possible but UP did it anyway.
Funny I thought all american locomotives were basically Mixed Traffic types Good for passenger and frieght
Ahh I remember the day when she rolled into my hometown in Del Rio, got a picture of me along side her cylinder (on the fireman's side)
That is a beautiful engine. I would love to revisit it in the future
Hyce is probably one of the best CZcamsrs. Greet attitude and just fun personality, always makes my day just watching one of his videos.
I got to see 844 when it visited Ogden in 2016 or 17, around the same time I was helping with the restoration of the D&RGW 223.
Great video as usual! If you'd want to see some big wheels in TS I'd recommend the LNWR Cornwall.
80 inch drivers also mean for incredibly high speeds
When I first went to work for Lakeside on the railroad, I worked for the two guys that were burned in the cab of the real thing when it was in Union Station. The fire had gone out and the fireman tossed a fusee in to relight the fire and it flashed back into the cab. Since then, no visits to the cab in the depots. John was my boss for a season and then I guess he was too sick to do much other than answer phones. He died not too much later. Jerry drove a car with a bumper sticker with "Paid for Union Pacific 8444." (She was still 8444 back then.) Jerry ended up taking over the vendor of the arcade games. He kept putting super loud and annoying games in the depot and I'd always have the ticket agent press the breaker to turn them off so we could have some peace and quiet. Once in a while he'd come in and get pissed we turned his games off. No one ever played them. Eventually he moved in different games and put them on the concrete where they got good and wet when it rained. I used to chase the Challenger and the 844 back then. I almost went with some coworkers to chase the 844 over Tennessee Pass but I ended up working at Lakeside that weekend because, heck, why chase steam when you can be paid to ride.
Seeing you happy just makes my day, keep it up Hyce!
Pretty nice model of the Union Pacific 844. Very much a iconic steam locomotive.
UP Signals are pretty simple
Top is your track, each signal cluster down is one more track over
Red-Flashing Green-Red: You're switching one track so mind that speed
Once you know that, you pretty much only need to understand single track signals to understand multiple signal clusters
the only thing missing from this sim is the boiler steel screaming in agony at being abused with 150psi changes
21:25 dude I lost it at 115,000 steams XD For real though give it another shot, on flat track this model can do 120mph :D
now that sounds like a challenge
The atomizer also atomizes the oil so it will burn. It turns the oil into a mist. Probably the most important part of its purpose.
The signal was a red over a flashing green over red. Which is a diverging route at the prescribed speed through the turn out.
I love your videos Hyce. Except for DV, I am relatively new to train sims. If any one watching knows, is there a good sim with SP4449 in it. I have had the good fortune of getting to see both the SP4449 and SP&S 700 volunteering at the Oregon Rail Heritage Foundation in Portland,OR.....when there is no vid-19. 😀
I rode behind and saw her for the first time back in 2018 on the last run of the Cheyenne Frontier Days special from Denver to Cheyenne
6:41 That sound is a thing for FRA requirements It's the big black box with the lights and big speaker. I forgot what it was called but its something to keep trains safer so they don't have accidents and it says the signal ahead of you with the lights It says UP for the ones on UP lines and the other thing on the left (I think its DRGW or CNW) for other railroads.
honestly.... just the most beautiful engine. I never really considered how large those drivers were till you put them in terms of feet. those damn wheels are two inches taller than me?!?! holy hell!!
Two inches taller than you and apparently you're quite tall already! Haha
@@Hyce777 no kidding lol. I knew they had 80" drivers, but my mind never really thought about how big that really is. Kinda blew my mind with this video lol
I so want to see you try to take Idaho or Omaha up to Promontory or from Cheyenne across Sherman to Laramie! 119 or her sisters work too!
really sad UP aren't running that summer trip anymore, that Cheyenne train was always a blast to chase.
If you're here pondering buying this, Steam's date on it is still 2014, but Smokebox updated it in 2021 quite extensively.
Keep up the great content, Hyce😁
That's a serious Speed Demon.
Big drivers go yeet :)
I definitely recommend the freeware G-Trax coaches for anyone looking to replicate UP steam passenger ops.
Yeah Train sim does weird things when when you disconnect cars. Their simulation stops as you pull away. They are still moving just not being simulated. So if you were to stop and back towards them you would get to a certain point and they would surge forwards at the speed they were going and derail you.
Can you do Norfolk and Western 611? That would really make my day! Please and thanks and keep up the work Hyce!
I will fight over this. A NYC J3a Dreyfuss Hudson on the Water Level route. Take it or leave it.
844 is never tired only for aspecial exclusions
If you have dark smoke adding more atomizer will lighten the smoke and increase the temp of the fire creating more steam.
22:00 UP suddenly decided the GWR idea of slip coaches was a good one
lmao
Imma do a heckin British and say Talyllyn & Dolgoch have not been retired since 1865.... With a few overhauls along the way, of course
Welsh*
@@lopwr1212 Wales is in Britain. Britain =/= England. And technically they were _built_ in Whitehaven, Cumberland, which is in England.
I would love to see you do this again! Lets see how fast you can get her going ;-)
i have a Metal Earth 3d model 844, one of my favorite knick-knacks on my shelf
That's gotta be neat :)
The locomotive is the water of rail fans across the world.
Train Sim World needs some steam in it. The TS22 engine is just so dated. Like hasn't been properly updated since 2013.
Side note: the 2-8-4 is my favorite Loco, with the FEF in close second so this video is very welcome!
They're adding British steam shortly, apparently!
@@Hyce777 interesting! Hopefully US steam is on the horizon as well then!
I love your video and learn about steam trains and diesel.
I would really like to see you try again Hyce! Because I'm rather into fast trains, and I'd kinda like you to talk about how fast the engine can go like Wikipedia says it can go 120 but I've heard that it did go 100mph (I can't imagine UP having trackage that could handle a 100mph even) and is there a interesting story of how they record train speed on steam engines? like how do they do it now, and how did they use to? (did they record time between mile posts?). I also wonder if you'd comment if you think a American Steam engine has ever really broken the speed record?
The Brits hauled a dynamometer car to make their records. I'm not sure any of the American railroads did. Some had speedos in the late days, but I'd wager most were just time based / count the posts.
I wouldn't be surprised if any of the big mainline east coast steam has mallard beat. Plenty of anecdotes about it.
Looks like a cool trainz simulator ill try it once I get a faster computer system
The Big Boy was converted to an oil burner too.
aye, it was
I love 844 it’s my favorite out of the three I love 4014 and 3985 but 844 takes the cake for me
You know, I was gonna make an FEF-3 for my first American locomotive mod for DV. but nah, I was like "oh I'll start easy with a little Pennsy mogul"
boy howdy was that a mistake because not only is it Stephenson valve gear, I also need resources from the PRR railroad museum...
Yeah, definitely a tough cab...
"TS22" will forever be known as TS Classic
I suppose I can swap over to TS:C then, huh?
Awesome Hyce!
yes
car idea for railroads online. a crane car you get for free to rerail stuff so the rerail tool is not needed anymore and on the side of the car there is a rerail to closest track thing
Cool! One of the only locomotives around with an Active Killstreak!! This will be interesting!!
More like train simulator 2015 I’ve had it since and they just keep updated the game also the whistle sounds different guess that’s with the newer version I bought it probably in 2017 and it had the variable whistle instead of the big boy 1chime whistle
I hope you get no wrong ways in the Cajon Pass
Note to self: if I ever get ts22 I need to download all of the smoke box models
Hopefully they add the FEF-8 to TSW. (insert Fry meme)
Did they go to 8? Thought UP only went to 3. FEF-1, FEF-2, and FEF-3 was the final model.
I believe you are correct.
If you want to accelerate maybe try flooring the reverser and killing the efficiency.
Can confirm this murders boiler pressure
@@Hyce777 well physics has it's part in that unfortunately.
redo it and either get a buddy who knows oil burning to to instruct you to oil fire or leave the the auto fireman on and focus on going fast.
either take is smart
@@Hyce777 Sad part is in like 5 years you'd know how to oil burn anyway the way everyone is murmuring about oil converting all the active steam locos. "UP did it and look at there success, They haven't started a brush fire since the Challenger episode.!!" the end of an era I say. and a sad end at that.
Is that a map of Cheyenne WY? I’ve actually been there and in the background I see the bridge and the station. Only thing I see missing is the tower with the up logo.
Yup!
13:58 there goes another crossing hyce
wait you're telling me this engine was NEVER OFFICIALLY RETIRED?
also have you heard of the kkStB 310 class?
Hasn’t left UP roster since it’s construction in 1944. So yeah, never officially retired.
Yup, the Living Legend they call it.
I hope you get no crashes in the Cajon Pass
Hyce runs the polar express
hyce, i just uploaded a video called bryan adams - "here i am" (train simulator edition) and realized (after uploading it) we almost have the same video thumbnails! 😮
Currently use this with TS Classic, don’t regret purchasing the addon. Not one bit. Really don’t get stuff this detailed in Trainz.
PS: How did you quil the whistle?
I have been summoned
You should try dsgddrs ATSF 2900 Class 4-8-4s
Do any nearo gage locomotives have inspection lights? Also, are you going to do another railroads online update video soon?
Not that I've seen. And possibly :)
@@Hyce777 in a future video, could you explain in a nut shell what needs to be done in order for more locomotives to be added to the game?
"my own hubris and desire" did you mean Huber-iss
Lol
14:28 Is it possible to clamp down the safety valves?
IRL? You can "gag" them but that's highly illegal..
@@Hyce777 I read somewhere that they started putting covers on them to prevent the crews from tampering to get extra speed.
Why the 844 are with the Big Boy's Whistle?
They both wear Hancock 3 chimes.
What DLC is this part of?
I wish that someone will put the PRR B6 steam locomotive in game because it is my favorite American steam locomotive.
More Choo choos joey more like soey
Hey Hyce, one question: why is it that old steam switching locomotives had very squat cabs? Think of Bill & Ben from the Thomas franchise.
Not sure, honest.
is The Union Pacific big boy the king of steam, the 611 is the queen of steam why not a king to.
Is this locomotive still running like what flying Scotsman is doing I forgot what it's called again
Last ive heard its still in operational condition but some are saying it hasn't gone on any runs yet in 2022.
@@Full_Otto_Bismarck didn't they say that this locomotive was the last one running in America
@@Dustinthemaroon9Flocomotive No theres plenty of steam engines running today in America, heritage steam is alive and well today, bigger than its ever been.
UP 844 however is the ONLY steam engine to never be retired. In the United States anyway, im unsure about the ones in China etc.
Yeah put it's different because heritage railways are like retirement for steam locomotive I mean yeah they pull coaches but they don't pull cars also what I meant by the locomotive is the only one running is because in was never retired it's just pulling what flying Scotsman does
@@Dustinthemaroon9Flocomotive Im really not following what you're trying to say/ask. I really dont know what Flying Scotsman does, I'm an American and have a casual interest in American steam railroading, so that doesnt help me much. Beautiful locomotive though.
As far as I know Union Pacific has used the 844 to haul revenue freight cars but the latest i am aware of it doing so was in the 1980s. I want to say they've recently done it with Big Boy 4014, pulling freight that is, but my memory isn't that great.
However its a rare occurrence for Union Pacific to use their surviving steam locomotives for revenue freight. They are used almost entirely for excursion passenger runs. Which do make some money but thats just for maintaining the steam program not really generating profits like when hauling freight. In the case of the UP steam program its not a seperate heritage railroad but a heritage program within the Union Pacific proper so it runs on modern track and as mentioned before occasionally UP will haul revenue generating freight with its steam locomotives and is probably to only one in the United States that has done so in decades but its very rare.
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Hi hyce
I wish I could play your game but I don't have a computer 😕