In Slovenia we take the 6 lowest out. But im glad people outside are starting to learn how to play tarok / tarocchi. In Austria there is a special game where you can call the XVIII a trump, it gains 5 points once played but the game is lost unless you get it through in a specific turn. If you can get an West Austrian explain to you exactly how to play the XVIII, it would be grand, because honestly I dont know fully myself. But we do play it slightly differently to the French version. Mostly the former Austrian empire rules are compatible, we just each add a few extra games to it. Also we deal 2 bundles of 3 on each passing and the frist 6 must go in one go onto the table. The one who called the game gets to pick and change a few from the bundle.
@@galesal1109 I feel like most people only think of tarot cards in the mystical sense anymore. And while I also think they can be used that way I think it’s fun to see some games that can be played with them.
This variation is a mix of some Italian Tarcocchi games (62 cards and different hierarchy in the suits of coins and pentacles) and French Tarot (points for each card).
In most wist games you play a card from the wrong suit (if you can't follow suit you get to choose: play a trump card or play a wrongly suited card). Automatically lose the trick tho
My boyfriend love cards, and I'm a cartomancer, so...now I want to play games with him with some decks I don't like! hahahhaha much fun !!!!! thanks for the video, love yout channel!
I think, when the Fool has been played by you, and you didn't win - you must give other player a card from your pile, usually trying it to be of the least value. If you don't have a pile, then winner of the trick receives +1 point, and you get -1 point from your Fool. Then, in the end of the game your Fool costs 4 points.
Nice! I play some of the games that are descended from this like French Tarot and Königrufen, which have diverged a bit, but some of the games they still play in Italy (Scarto for example) are pretty close to this still.
Thanks for the video. Questions: 1. A player must play a pip card if they have the ability to do so, or can they play a trump if they want? 2. If three players don't have pip cards, but the last one does, does that player have to play a pip, even though everyone else played a trump? 3. The next player plays a trump following another trump if they don't have a card of the same suite as the first played pip and higher. Now lets say that one player doesn't have a card of the suite, but she also doesn't have a trump card higher than the one played by the previous player. What happens then? The round ends and the player who played the highest card wins the trick?
Hi, playing to a trick in tarot games tends to follow the same rules: The player leading to the trick (ie, who plays the first card) may lead with any card. Each of the other players in turn must then play a card of the suit led - if they do not have a card of the suit led, then they must, if it was a regular suit, play a trump and if they have no cards of the suit led nor any trumps, then they may play any other card from their hand, though it will not win, whatever its rank. If any trumps were played to the trick, then the highest trump played wins it, if no trumps were played, then the highest card of the suit led wins. Players are allowed to lead trumps to a trick, in which case, the rules of play are the same. Each player in turn must, if they have any, play a trump to the trick - if they do not, only then may they play another card, though it will not win. Some games, in the particular those of France, have an over-trump rule. This means that if you are playing a trump to a trick where other trumps have already been played, then you must, if you can, play a higher trump than the highest already played - if you don't have a higher trump, then you can play a lower one. To my knowledge, this is only found in France. The role of The Fool varies between games. In Italy, France, and parts of Switzerland, it maintains its traditional role as a kind of wild card, best thought of as an excuse. In the rest of Europe, The Fool is largely played as the highest ranking trump and is played according to those rules. When used as an excuse, The Fool may be played at any time instead of a card the rules would otherwise require - so if you were down to your last trump but have no cards of the suit led and there are no cards played to it worth winning, then you can avoid wasting the trump by playing The Fool. The Fool is not lost however, instead, whoever played it takes it back and places face up next to them. When all the cards have been played, they must give the player who won the trick another card from their trick pile in exchange for keeping The Fool - though if they did not win any cards to give, then they must surrender The Fool after all. Hope that helps.
In Bologna, Italy, they play Ottocento, 800. Do you know what extent it is similar to this game? All I know is that the angel is the highest ~ also called Justice with her trumpet.
Is there any point to reversing the ranking of the number cards in the round suits? They are all worth the same number of points, so it seems to me to just add needless complexity. It isn't like Swiss Jass where a Bottom-Up bid reverses rank, but the point values remain the same such that the weakest cards in a Bottom-Up game are worth more. Thus, in Jass the rank reversal serves to alter one's play strategy, whereas in Tarocchi it seems to do nothing.
the only question i have is what if you dont have any trumps or suit cards higher than the cards in the middle toward the end of the game...can you only lay out cards high than the suit cards but not lower than them?
There are several two player variations (none of them as good as for 3 or 4 players!) but the simplest is just to "only deal two hands worth of cards", and leave the rest out of play.
@@dazzler7091 I know, but he then corrected himself saying that the magician is the lowest ranking trump card, so I was wondering if that affected the points at all.
Yes - the Magician (called Bagatto in Italian games, Pagat in Central European games) is worth 5, same as the World and the Fool. Because it's the lowest trump, it's actually often difficult to win a trick with the Magician, so there's often a risk of losing it to the opponents - most modern Tarot games even have a bonus for winning the last trick of the game with the Magician.
I think that if you start with a trump, then everyone has to follow with a trump (if they can), but if you start with the fool, then the next player chooses the suit.
That is what I was going to ask. It seems a lot like hearts. if there were 5 suits (trumps being the 5th suit) Whoever leads follows suit.. Thanks for this video. Super fun.
from my understanding, this particular game was only played with 62 but there are many other game played with tarot using all the cards. Although, Im not quite sure why that is...
@@galesal1109 While most of the Italian games were (and still are) played with a full pack of 78 cards, there are many that are played with a reduced pack - not just in Italy but throughout much of central Europe where most tarot games are now played with just 54 cards. Games with reduced packs are common in Europe, and not just tarot - games played with regular playing cards are often reduced to around 32 cards. There can be various reasons for this - some down to the effect on game play but also economic (fewer cards means a lower cost). In tarot games, the effect of reducing the number of pip cards alters the balance between the trumps and regular suits, making the play of trumps more important - in games were 40 or 42 cards are used, there are clever bidding systems to help players calculate who is holding the important trumps, making for a very different style of play and strategy.
Hi I have a question about the fool card, if everyone plays a minor card, for example the wands for the round, and you place the fool card to finish the round would the highest minor card still win because the fool can't finish the round? Or does it have to be a Trump card to beat the fool?
In the Italian and French games, The Fool is an excuse - you play it instead of a card you would otherwise be required to play - so yes, as it has no rank, in your example the highest minor card played would still win. That said, in the Italian games, The Fool is not always lost - whoever played it takes it back and places it next to them face up. When all the cards have been played, whoever holds The Fool must give the player who one the trick another card from their trick pile in exchange - if they didn't win any tricks though, then they must surrender The Fool after all.
Not quite. I could just buy any old tarot deck but if it's a deck designed more for divination then they won't be reversable/bidirectional, not even the pips, which can be fine for solitaire games not so much for multiplayer games. Also the texture and feel of decks meant for playing is different from those designed for divination. I've *seen* examples of playing decks but cant find them to actually buy.
I find that it is more difficult to play games with it but easier to do readings. A plain old playing card deck is good for games because you can see the cards & suits better so a minimalist tarot deck is good.
because of "reasons", the round suits of coins and cups rank one-high to ten-low - so even though it might make sense to remove the same numbers, they remove the "lowest ranks". This is the case still in Austria - where only the 7-10 of spades and clubs, and the Ace-4 of hearts and diamonds are used.
So say someone puts a trump after your partner puts down a sword. Do you HAVE to put down a sword or can you put a trump card higher than the last Trump card
From my understanding you have to put down the sword (or whatever suit) if you have it. You can only use trumps of you don’t have any of the suit in Play. (I could be wrong though)
Lo Scarabeo used to sell these designs as the Lombardy but I believe it's been discontinued. An alternative that you might like is sold by them as the Ancient Italian Tarot - which I prefer to this one and is also very suitable for game play. However, I recommend the modern Tarocco Piemontese, which has doubled ended cards and so much easier for game play. I would further recommend the one sold by Mondiano, which I find to be the most durable.
According to another comment you have to play a pip card of a different suit, sacrificing it as a card that will never win. Same goes if you have a card of the right suit, but a lower number; you have to play it and miss the trick.
Fortune telling can also be ment as a game before someone takes it seriously. Giving the cards special meanings creates many new rules and relationships with cards, which can be also very interesting and funny. When the next card gives the context to the previous card, the card setting, the succession of the cards is in fortune telling also a bit tricky. Anyway, the meaning of the cards is as old as the cards themselves, so it is not modern by any means
Fortune tellers use coins, dice, dominoes, and so many other things that is created for different purpose. The sad thing is that tarot decks became more popular in fortunetelling than card-games. The good thing is that tarot cards is one of the most, if not the most popular fortunetelling medium.
I don't think it's sad that it's used for fortune telling, rather it's sad that people are scared of tarot cards because they only know it as occult and scary witchcraft. Same problem with the satanic panic over Dungeons and Dragons.
Watched several tarot videos and this was by far the most informative and easiest to understand.
Snake Jawz thanks, glad I was able to help!
In Slovenia we take the 6 lowest out. But im glad people outside are starting to learn how to play tarok / tarocchi.
In Austria there is a special game where you can call the XVIII a trump, it gains 5 points once played but the game is lost unless you get it through in a specific turn. If you can get an West Austrian explain to you exactly how to play the XVIII, it would be grand, because honestly I dont know fully myself.
But we do play it slightly differently to the French version. Mostly the former Austrian empire rules are compatible, we just each add a few extra games to it. Also we deal 2 bundles of 3 on each passing and the frist 6 must go in one go onto the table. The one who called the game gets to pick and change a few from the bundle.
Very interesting demo. Wish I could find enough people interested enough to learn this game lol
I KNOW! i havent had the chance to play it with anyone lol
@@galesal1109 I feel like most people only think of tarot cards in the mystical sense anymore. And while I also think they can be used that way I think it’s fun to see some games that can be played with them.
Thank you! This was very clear, it's abut time someone did this...great vid. (also love the DECK)
So glad i made it clear enough lol Thank you and i hope you enjoyed it!
@@galesal1109 what deck is it???
@@billyrayner7904 above cards are the "Neoclassical" by il meneghello - also known as the Lombardy Tarot.
This variation is a mix of some Italian Tarcocchi games (62 cards and different hierarchy in the suits of coins and pentacles) and French Tarot (points for each card).
Me not being able to find someone to play with so I play by myself like this 😂
Finally someone is using Tarot as it should be used
Is there a wrong way to use these cards?
What if someone doesn't have a card to play from the correct suit or a trump card?
In most wist games you play a card from the wrong suit (if you can't follow suit you get to choose: play a trump card or play a wrongly suited card). Automatically lose the trick tho
My boyfriend love cards, and I'm a cartomancer, so...now I want to play games with him with some decks I don't like! hahahhaha much fun !!!!! thanks for the video, love yout channel!
Wist games my beloved. Played this with my family this night
I think, when the Fool has been played by you, and you didn't win - you must give other player a card from your pile, usually trying it to be of the least value. If you don't have a pile, then winner of the trick receives +1 point, and you get -1 point from your Fool. Then, in the end of the game your Fool costs 4 points.
Yes, basicaly that's the rule in Tarocchi Piemontesi.
@@eliadisousa Is this french tarot? Different from tarocchi piemontesi?
Ah! now I get it! Thanks for elaborating on the usage of the Fool, I never quite understood until now.
Thank you! I've always wondered how Tarochi was played! I'm used to divination and this is a fun new use for.the cards. Many thanks!😅
This was really informative and easy to follow. Good Job!
Thank you!
Nice! I play some of the games that are descended from this like French Tarot and Königrufen, which have diverged a bit, but some of the games they still play in Italy (Scarto for example) are pretty close to this still.
That's a really pretty deck too.
Excellent video and I was wondering whether did you buy those cards.... they are lovely
Neo classical il meneghello
Thank you so much. It was thorough yet concise.
Interesting. I see some similarities to the card game Uno where you have to follow the colors. Whatever 15 cards you get is your Tarot Reading lol
Haha not a bad comparison
Very helpful video! I would have to play a few times to get it, but I think I have the basic gist of it!
Thanks for the video. Questions:
1. A player must play a pip card if they have the ability to do so, or can they play a trump if they want?
2. If three players don't have pip cards, but the last one does, does that player have to play a pip, even though everyone else played a trump?
3. The next player plays a trump following another trump if they don't have a card of the same suite as the first played pip and higher. Now lets say that one player doesn't have a card of the suite, but she also doesn't have a trump card higher than the one played by the previous player. What happens then? The round ends and the player who played the highest card wins the trick?
@@polygonate Thanks!
Hi, playing to a trick in tarot games tends to follow the same rules: The player leading to the trick (ie, who plays the first card) may lead with any card. Each of the other players in turn must then play a card of the suit led - if they do not have a card of the suit led, then they must, if it was a regular suit, play a trump and if they have no cards of the suit led nor any trumps, then they may play any other card from their hand, though it will not win, whatever its rank. If any trumps were played to the trick, then the highest trump played wins it, if no trumps were played, then the highest card of the suit led wins.
Players are allowed to lead trumps to a trick, in which case, the rules of play are the same. Each player in turn must, if they have any, play a trump to the trick - if they do not, only then may they play another card, though it will not win.
Some games, in the particular those of France, have an over-trump rule. This means that if you are playing a trump to a trick where other trumps have already been played, then you must, if you can, play a higher trump than the highest already played - if you don't have a higher trump, then you can play a lower one. To my knowledge, this is only found in France.
The role of The Fool varies between games. In Italy, France, and parts of Switzerland, it maintains its traditional role as a kind of wild card, best thought of as an excuse. In the rest of Europe, The Fool is largely played as the highest ranking trump and is played according to those rules.
When used as an excuse, The Fool may be played at any time instead of a card the rules would otherwise require - so if you were down to your last trump but have no cards of the suit led and there are no cards played to it worth winning, then you can avoid wasting the trump by playing The Fool. The Fool is not lost however, instead, whoever played it takes it back and places face up next to them. When all the cards have been played, they must give the player who won the trick another card from their trick pile in exchange for keeping The Fool - though if they did not win any cards to give, then they must surrender The Fool after all.
Hope that helps.
sorry, just seeing these comments. Glad people were able to help out!!
I'm reading a series inspired by the tarot cards and the one character mentioned Tarocchi and I'm very curious to try it!
what is the series called?
@@LyubomiraGerova97 The Arcana Chronicles by Kresley Cole.
Good series, addicting to read
So what do you do if a player chooses a suit that you don’t have but you also don’t have any more trump cards?
Play any wrong suit and lose the trick. (Use this as a chance to get rid of low cards)
Thank you, very well explained!
I have an old deck from Prague and one French Grimaud but the trumps have reverse double images
In Bologna, Italy, they play Ottocento, 800. Do you know what extent it is similar to this game? All I know is that the angel is the highest ~ also called Justice with her trumpet.
The mechanics seem to be very similar to spades.
Where did u get the deck?Design's really cool.
gandalf collectarot.com
@@galesal1109 link not working :( Btw, what's the name of this deck?
@@bobbylow175 he shows the box at 14:50 , tarocco neoclassico
Is this a special deck for this or is it a typical tarot deck?
great tutorial to get the basic gist of the game, kudos! but tarocchi with all its trump cards seems like an unrefined earlier version of tresette
Is there any point to reversing the ranking of the number cards in the round suits? They are all worth the same number of points, so it seems to me to just add needless complexity. It isn't like Swiss Jass where a Bottom-Up bid reverses rank, but the point values remain the same such that the weakest cards in a Bottom-Up game are worth more. Thus, in Jass the rank reversal serves to alter one's play strategy, whereas in Tarocchi it seems to do nothing.
Thank you! Great deck too!👍🏻
Thank you, I understand now.
the only question i have is what if you dont have any trumps or suit cards higher than the cards in the middle toward the end of the game...can you only lay out cards high than the suit cards but not lower than them?
How would you adjust the game for only two players?
Distributing more cards to the two players
There are several two player variations (none of them as good as for 3 or 4 players!) but the simplest is just to "only deal two hands worth of cards", and leave the rest out of play.
Loved the video! Now I just need to find some people to play with =)
very similar to the modern game of hearts!
Nice. I always wanted to know but too lazy to find out 😝 Thanks for this!
Nobody Here we should partners and play against others :P
Tarot Closet I shall take that as a challenge! 😁
Does anyone know the name of this tarot deck he's using? Would love to pick up a copy of that print myself.
Neo Classical il meneghello
@@swanspirit4912 Thank you!
So basically Rook is the offspring off this game with a few changes
I’ve never played rock before :/
this is how you play hearts!
And if you're a euchre enjoyer, it's like that too
Do you know a 2 player version, please?
Wait so if the magician is actually the lowest ranking of the major arcana, is it still worth five, or is it worth one?
He mentions that the world, magician, and fool card are each worth 5 points.
@@dazzler7091 I know, but he then corrected himself saying that the magician is the lowest ranking trump card, so I was wondering if that affected the points at all.
Yes - the Magician (called Bagatto in Italian games, Pagat in Central European games) is worth 5, same as the World and the Fool. Because it's the lowest trump, it's actually often difficult to win a trick with the Magician, so there's often a risk of losing it to the opponents - most modern Tarot games even have a bonus for winning the last trick of the game with the Magician.
@@learntarotcardgames54 Oh that's really cool, thank you!
I think that if you start with a trump, then everyone has to follow with a trump (if they can), but if you start with the fool, then the next player chooses the suit.
That makes sense, thank you
That is what I was going to ask. It seems a lot like hearts. if there were 5 suits (trumps being the 5th suit) Whoever leads follows suit.. Thanks for this video. Super fun.
This is prolly the darker of the dark art
Thanks! That was very interesting.
Celtic Morning Star you are most welcome! Have a wonderful day! :)
So this is basically hearts with extra steps?
It seems much more similar to spades than hearts
Wait a minute. So what if someone played the king of wands in the first round? Would the trump card still win? 🤔
So, basically it's just a more simpler version of french jeu de tarot game
This is really interesting George? But I don’t understand why they would create to lower ranking pips just to remove them from the game?
Following the suits kinda reminds me of Uno 😉
from my understanding, this particular game was only played with 62 but there are many other game played with tarot using all the cards. Although, Im not quite sure why that is...
@@galesal1109 While most of the Italian games were (and still are) played with a full pack of 78 cards, there are many that are played with a reduced pack - not just in Italy but throughout much of central Europe where most tarot games are now played with just 54 cards. Games with reduced packs are common in Europe, and not just tarot - games played with regular playing cards are often reduced to around 32 cards. There can be various reasons for this - some down to the effect on game play but also economic (fewer cards means a lower cost). In tarot games, the effect of reducing the number of pip cards alters the balance between the trumps and regular suits, making the play of trumps more important - in games were 40 or 42 cards are used, there are clever bidding systems to help players calculate who is holding the important trumps, making for a very different style of play and strategy.
anyone know what deck he is using?
Neoclassical Lombardy tarot deck.
How do you decide which player is on which team ?
I don’t understand is it just multiplayer war???, also how do you shuffle the cards so fast🤔, gg
the video was sped up lol.
It is similar to multiplayer war, but in war it is 100% chance & in wist games you actually have a degree of strategy
So it's basically spades?
Hi I have a question about the fool card, if everyone plays a minor card, for example the wands for the round, and you place the fool card to finish the round would the highest minor card still win because the fool can't finish the round? Or does it have to be a Trump card to beat the fool?
In the Italian and French games, The Fool is an excuse - you play it instead of a card you would otherwise be required to play - so yes, as it has no rank, in your example the highest minor card played would still win. That said, in the Italian games, The Fool is not always lost - whoever played it takes it back and places it next to them face up. When all the cards have been played, whoever holds The Fool must give the player who one the trick another card from their trick pile in exchange - if they didn't win any tricks though, then they must surrender The Fool after all.
Okay, now, WHERE do I find tarot PLAYING cards? b/c everywhere I look it's the divination decks.
Marsella D. Fyngold tarot are all the same
Not quite. I could just buy any old tarot deck but if it's a deck designed more for divination then they won't be reversable/bidirectional, not even the pips, which can be fine for solitaire games not so much for multiplayer games. Also the texture and feel of decks meant for playing is different from those designed for divination. I've *seen* examples of playing decks but cant find them to actually buy.
Marsella D. Fyngold marseille tarot is what people used as playing tarot or try the Visconti tarot.
The Visconti is the oldest know tarot and it was for sure used as a playing game in the Italian renaissance.
Look for Taroky cards on ebay you will find them
How does two player tarot work?
I don't know how I missed it but how much is the Fool worth in points at the end?
5 points, same as the Trump 1 and Trump 21.
do you like the rider-waite deck?
I find that it is more difficult to play games with it but easier to do readings. A plain old playing card deck is good for games because you can see the cards & suits better so a minimalist tarot deck is good.
@@dominionjay6332 ok, thank you jay
I was wondering is it ok to play this game with the tarot cards I use for readings?
Yes. In fact, I recommend playing games like Solitaire (remove major arcana first) to cleanse decks & get to know them, like attuning.
@@dominionjay6332Solitarot
What is the purpose of removing 1-5 of swords and 5-10 of coins? Why not just 1-5 of all 4 suits?
because of "reasons", the round suits of coins and cups rank one-high to ten-low - so even though it might make sense to remove the same numbers, they remove the "lowest ranks". This is the case still in Austria - where only the 7-10 of spades and clubs, and the Ace-4 of hearts and diamonds are used.
Where can I buy a deck for playing Tarocchi? I tried the link in the comment but it doesn't exist, and I had no luck on amazon.
Any tarot deck will work. You can get them from metaphysical places.
So say someone puts a trump after your partner puts down a sword. Do you HAVE to put down a sword or can you put a trump card higher than the last Trump card
From my understanding you have to put down the sword (or whatever suit) if you have it. You can only use trumps of you don’t have any of the suit in Play. (I could be wrong though)
So it's kinda like spades in a way
Where did you buy the cards from?
Got it from an online store that is no longer available but you can order it from the manufacturer. Look up “Il Meneghello Tarocco Neoclassico“
Uno!
What deck is that bro
TAROCCO NEOCLASSICO by Il Meneghello
Online this deck is sold for $350 USD. Is that the actual price pls say no.. sold on Amazon fyi
So this is just like spades
where can i buy some cards online like yours?
Lo Scarabeo used to sell these designs as the Lombardy but I believe it's been discontinued. An alternative that you might like is sold by them as the Ancient Italian Tarot - which I prefer to this one and is also very suitable for game play. However, I recommend the modern Tarocco Piemontese, which has doubled ended cards and so much easier for game play. I would further recommend the one sold by Mondiano, which I find to be the most durable.
TAROCCO NEOCLASSICO by Il Meneghello
tarotbg.eu/en/il-meneghello-decks/291-il-tarocco-neoclassico.html
@@earnestbunbury4437 where can these sets you have recommended be purchased? Any you trust?
angel>world
Who is playing together?
What if I don’t have the suit or a trump?
According to another comment you have to play a pip card of a different suit, sacrificing it as a card that will never win. Same goes if you have a card of the right suit, but a lower number; you have to play it and miss the trick.
I wanna play LoL
Klingt nach Schach nur mit Extra schritten.
It’s terribly sad how people use tarot cards for bullshit “Fortune Telling” when they were meant for a game
Fortune telling can also be ment as a game before someone takes it seriously. Giving the cards special meanings creates many new rules and relationships with cards, which can be also very interesting and funny. When the next card gives the context to the previous card, the card setting, the succession of the cards is in fortune telling also a bit tricky. Anyway, the meaning of the cards is as old as the cards themselves, so it is not modern by any means
I think it’s awesome how we humans use anything and everything to predict our future. Fortune telling has been practiced for millennia
Fortune tellers use coins, dice, dominoes, and so many other things that is created for different purpose. The sad thing is that tarot decks became more popular in fortunetelling than card-games. The good thing is that tarot cards is one of the most, if not the most popular fortunetelling medium.
I don't think it's sad that it's used for fortune telling, rather it's sad that people are scared of tarot cards because they only know it as occult and scary witchcraft. Same problem with the satanic panic over Dungeons and Dragons.
why wait 6 minutes to tell us we need 4 people lmao
This shit cause you to lose your shirt yo
lol this game looks boring as all get-out
Where did you get those cards?
Jennifer G collectarot.com if you live in the states