Painkillers in the NFL: Kyle Turley on Playing Numb

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  • čas přidán 18. 02. 2015
  • More than 1,000 former NFL players are addicted to painkillers. Many are without health insurance, or any semblance of a support system. In this VICE Sports Sitdown, Kyle Turley reflects on the long-term effects of playing through injuries by using team-prescribed painkillers and the hypocrisy of the NFL's substance abuse policy.
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  • @mikecatadjuster
    @mikecatadjuster Před 6 lety +1391

    I drove the Saints players around the practice facility, where Kyle Turley left a big impression on me. The incident reminded me of the famous Mean Joe Green commercial where Green gives his jersey to the kid. I was no kid, but on the practice filed sidelines, with the business of football happening and under the south Louisiana oppressive heat, Kyle had the presence of mind to look over to me and say, 'Hey driver, you want a drink'? and he held out a Gatorade from the ice chest. It stood out to me because I held no importance among all of the highly-paid, adored athletes around me. But Kyle obviously saw me as an equal. While Kyle was an exceptional lineman, the human element was what stood out.

    • @MarieGlenna
      @MarieGlenna Před 5 lety +37

      That’s cool to hear. Kyle’s my cousin but I don’t know him very well.

    • @kooh301
      @kooh301 Před 5 lety +45

      Did you blow him after practice

    • @aphysique
      @aphysique Před 5 lety +3

      Great story

    • @aphysique
      @aphysique Před 5 lety +13

      @@kooh301 lmao

    • @MarciusWhithood
      @MarciusWhithood Před 5 lety +30

      Its odd that your self image is placed so low beneath these guys. Theyre as much human as you are.

  • @chomama77
    @chomama77 Před 9 lety +1032

    I played football for 5 years peewee and 4 years of high school and that mentality of Are you hurt or are you injured is a big problem. No player wants their coach or teammates thinking they are weak. I got hit while breaking down for a tackle by my free safety that clipped my face mask and whipped around my head. I saw stars and took a knee. My coaches saw and started to scream get up the next play is gonna start. I am in my 30s and have had neck problems since that game. THATT

    • @DreEst1991
      @DreEst1991 Před 9 lety +52

      chomama77 thats when you come off the field and say coach i think i have a concussion. I still play and coaches are never that dumb. Hurt and Injured simply means if you're just hurt meaning cut, sore, keep at it but if youre injured like broken bones, possible concussion, or life threatening injury..let them know or dont get up and wait for help...and yes i coach too.

    • @chomama77
      @chomama77 Před 9 lety +108

      In all the years I played we never lost a game. Our coaches were not hearing that shit. If you couldn't play a series then you were done for the game. Coaches are that selfish especially at those ages/levels cuz they wanna get better coaching jobs. Good to hear that yours are such nice ppl but ours were hard asses that wanted nothing but dominance.

    • @DreEst1991
      @DreEst1991 Před 9 lety +6

      chomama77 not about being a nice person, its about being accountable. Better coaching jobs come to those who 1. win games 2. how they treat their players.. you never hear a guy going D1 or NFL saying yea he won games in his organization but had the most complaints from players...Your coaches were idiots....where are they now?

    • @chomama77
      @chomama77 Před 9 lety +56

      sorry but winning is all that matters. Think that a organization is thinking, "hey, dude wins, but is he nice to his players?" Nope. Does he win is about as far as it goes as long as he isn't a disaster PR-wise for them

    • @DreEst1991
      @DreEst1991 Před 9 lety +1

      chomama77 and again where are those types of coaches now?

  • @crickella
    @crickella Před 8 lety +678

    All I can say - it's about profit. Players are just goods for them... :(

    • @TerribleChaos
      @TerribleChaos Před 7 lety +30

      They get paid millions. they dont NEED to play they want to. I'm tired of these sob stories.

    • @TheTigerLegend777
      @TheTigerLegend777 Před 7 lety +11

      ivan figueroa Easy for you to say chump.

    • @ChrisLogan787
      @ChrisLogan787 Před 6 lety +2

      Damaged goods.

    • @joebrady9575
      @joebrady9575 Před 6 lety

      Duh lol

    • @Alczervik
      @Alczervik Před 5 lety +8

      Have every football player right now sign a waiver acknowledging that they understand they have long term injury potential and potential brain injury potential. Those who don’t sign, make them retire. This will end the whining.

  • @ogdocvato
    @ogdocvato Před 4 lety +34

    Kyle is super smart and honest. Being a team doctor in the NFL means that you place the best interests of the league and the team ahead of your patients.

  • @chychywoohoo
    @chychywoohoo Před 6 lety +1512

    Lol, but players cant smoke weed

    • @34672rr
      @34672rr Před 5 lety +72

      @@SkylineOwnz weed doesn't hide pain, it's a neuroprotective herb, a supplement and like most natural herbs and vegetables, reduces inflammation and helps the body HEAL, not kill pain by masking it

    • @unknownpro9247
      @unknownpro9247 Před 4 lety +1

      @@swrennie this is my dream

    • @robertwellington2616
      @robertwellington2616 Před 4 lety

      wiremessiah it does nothing for me no help for anxiety, stiffness, etc. definitely agree it’s not a painkiller. It relaxes some but not me.

    • @thomasjust2663
      @thomasjust2663 Před 4 lety

      It makes perfect sense from a business perspective , weed is associated with yunkies, percosset is mostly unknown...it’s a business logical decision

    • @nickr4015
      @nickr4015 Před 4 lety

      It's a drug.

  • @Apache32D
    @Apache32D Před 6 lety +46

    I suffered a brain injury in Iraq and also played football in high schools I feel his pain

  • @mje19D
    @mje19D Před 7 lety +305

    I am 32 and 100% disabled. This is the exact route I took except it was the military who watched me get injured time and time again but medicated and thrown to the side. Drugs are never the answer and God do I wish I knew that then so I didn't make my injuries exponentially worse.

    • @TheFalloutShot96
      @TheFalloutShot96 Před 7 lety +3

      mje19D no socks or Tylenol????

    • @mje19D
      @mje19D Před 7 lety

      TheFalloutShot96 huh?

    • @cheeseisyum2
      @cheeseisyum2 Před 7 lety +10

      mje19D how did u type this then

    • @Brandon-rq3ys
      @Brandon-rq3ys Před 6 lety +31

      I spent 6 years in the USArmy, I can agree that this guy is telling the truth. If you're good at something, they only care about that, just like football they don't care about you as a person.
      I spent over 3 and a half years of my enlistment in Iraq and Afghanistan. A death to the military is just another statistic to them. They will push you until you collapse.

    • @mickfunny4185
      @mickfunny4185 Před 6 lety +1

      Jay M ever watch movies about SEAL teams? Kids watch that and think it’s 😎

  • @zyzor
    @zyzor Před 9 lety +263

    Roger Goodell made $32 million this season. wtf....... and he totally fucked up with the ray rice thing, and deflate gate. He needs to go. That money should be invested in ALS research and a fund to help retired players.

    • @Jay-fq8uz
      @Jay-fq8uz Před 8 lety +10

      Lol and the nfl is a "non profit" organization ahahah fucking USA right in the ass

    • @MrTopGunnar
      @MrTopGunnar Před 8 lety +3

      +Dead poolmonkey so if FIFA which fucks the world ten times as much as the NFL...

    • @Jay-fq8uz
      @Jay-fq8uz Před 8 lety +1

      +MrTopGunnar hahaha frfr it's kind of fucked up. They don't even invest that money in the players the one who put on one of the greatest shows for the people to see.

    • @MrTopGunnar
      @MrTopGunnar Před 8 lety

      Dead poolmonkey fifa has over a billion dollars in their rainy day fund and is 'non profit' lol

    • @MrTopGunnar
      @MrTopGunnar Před 8 lety +2

      Jack Brown yeah in terms of viewership and level of corruptness haha

  • @pete7389
    @pete7389 Před 8 lety +247

    Kyle Turley was a badasss football player. Everyone in the NFL should expect this outcome, and feel blessed when it doesn't happen.

    • @willmcdaniel5989
      @willmcdaniel5989 Před 5 lety +3

      Turley was a man and to see him say this is wild.
      Football might not be as big in about 10 years

  • @gx6455
    @gx6455 Před 7 lety +380

    Football isn't the problem the NFL is

    • @brysoncherry9884
      @brysoncherry9884 Před 5 lety +7

      @Rich Pianas Last Oxy He's right it's not the sport itself, but rather how it it run on all levels.

    • @Drewb18c1
      @Drewb18c1 Před 4 lety +22

      The NFL might have its own unique problems, but I seriously doubt a lot of what he's talking about isn't found in college and highschool football as well. Maybe fewer drugs but still plenty of "walk it off, sit on the bench for a couple mins and get back out there champ"

    • @brysoncherry9884
      @brysoncherry9884 Před 4 lety +3

      @Biblioburro I don't think it's just "football" though, I think a lot of crossover with rugby exists injury and career path-wise

    • @Wasaled
      @Wasaled Před 4 lety +6

      Contact sports are always an issue. Theres always a huge chance of getting a concussion or multiple, and even then you can still get minor concussions that you might not be aware of. Then they just add up, even with the proper medical care. Your life expectancy is going to be alot shorter than that of a regular person. If you want to take that risk in order to play a sport that you love then go ahead but if you want to see your kids/grandkids grow up and be around them probably should look else where.
      If you want to look someone up as example look up Justin Strzelczyk. His brain was so badly damaged they thought he was under the influence of alcohol and or drugs. They ran tests to check whether or not he was and he wasn't, they came to the conclusion it was due to his years of playing football.

    • @chubbo3243
      @chubbo3243 Před 3 lety +6

      of course football is the problem

  • @TheGuitarifier
    @TheGuitarifier Před 8 lety +1530

    Neck beard game strong

  • @TheLordsChips1234
    @TheLordsChips1234 Před 7 lety +614

    He has the same barber as my 9 year old cousin Tucker

  • @ceeevans5073
    @ceeevans5073 Před 6 lety +23

    I love this guy. "They pull it off the shelf but I've got bottles of it"

  • @JohnnyCatFitz
    @JohnnyCatFitz Před 3 lety +9

    Years ago I heard a doctor say that letting kids play football was just shy of child abuse. Injuries sustained when young, especially micro traumas to the spine, are never fully healed (and this goes for more than just football). I can't imagine a 30-40 year old who has played football his whole life. It's like being a boxer at a certain point, you will come to a point where you will not have a normally functioning body 😔🙁🙁

  • @53patsfan
    @53patsfan Před 6 lety +12

    I had my knee replaced recently, after a lifetime of pain and swelling, Never made the connection to a high school knee injury caused by a running back diving at my knees while I was engaged with their tight end blocking me(this has stopped in NFL)every play. I had torn and crushed ligament and knee cap cracked. BUT I loved the game and really think I would play it again id I could!

    • @waldopepper1
      @waldopepper1 Před 2 lety

      hey patsfan, great post! yeah this was called a “cut” block designed to cut the guys legs right out from under him. It was right for the NFL to ban the move as it was taking too many players out for the season. Sounds like you played defensive lineman and yes my brother I carry a similar story as you.
      Being on the field with your teammates had a sense of camaraderie that was just irreplaceable! However when I tell my wife that same thing she sez “yeah the only thing that is irreplaceable is your neck!” as during one memorable game many years ago I did my impersonation of Regan from The Exorcist. After I snapped the ball the nose tackle grabbed ahold of my face-mask and decided to play ring around the posey with my head. Popped a good three verts outta place from that one and now I need major surgery but I decided I don’t want to take the risk.

  • @Bestoftherest222
    @Bestoftherest222 Před 8 lety +624

    The NFL needs to increase roster size as to make each man able to take more breaks. The NFL also needs real field doctors paid for by the NFL not the teams.

    • @ThenVersusNow_
      @ThenVersusNow_ Před 7 lety +49

      More players means less money per player. I'm not sure they would go for it.

    • @Dim.g0v
      @Dim.g0v Před 7 lety +21

      Versus They make more than enough to increase the amount of players

    • @tune6000
      @tune6000 Před 6 lety +4

      Bestoftherest222 1st idea is stupid

    • @hat7227
      @hat7227 Před 6 lety +11

      Bestoftherest222 there's already 50 something guys on a roster? Look at rugby, less head injuries much smaller teams. There's better alternatives

    • @BradyIsAfagInHeat
      @BradyIsAfagInHeat Před 6 lety +4

      Team owners are probably against increased team size because that means increased paychecks. I get your point though, just a tough hill to climb.

  • @courtlaw1
    @courtlaw1 Před 4 lety +21

    I am glad younger players are choosing to leave the game before their bodies are completely broken. Videos like these can only help kids and young adults playing football to think about the what this sport is doing to their bodies.

  • @allstar930
    @allstar930 Před 9 lety +28

    I come from a long line of football players, including my grandfather who played on Navy bases while serving in WWII. There's nothing in this world as joyous as snapping off the line and hitting the person in front of you regardless of if it's at practice or in a game. Sadly, that's a feeling that ends with me in my bloodline because there's no way on earth I'm letting my son play football at any level because of microtrauma which starts the minute you start playing Pop Warner. 

    • @manz7860
      @manz7860 Před 8 lety +3

      to add to that with kid's brain still growing

    • @Schnitz13
      @Schnitz13 Před 4 lety +1

      I salute you, sir.

    • @perry6712
      @perry6712 Před rokem

      Awesome

    • @elonfux2492
      @elonfux2492 Před rokem +2

      You can’t shield them everything. Football is more than a game. Football teaches you more about life and working with others than any other sport or activity. Football is dangerous and so is driving. No kid should not be allowed to play a sport that millions of kids play without an issue. You don’t want to raise a child who is scared of everything.

  • @DioBolical915
    @DioBolical915 Před 4 lety +18

    I remember the old days when we played, concussion protocol was " walk it off son, walk it off" lol

    • @tooltoad1974
      @tooltoad1974 Před 4 lety +4

      I remember throwing up in the huddle after taking a massive helmet to helmet hit after catching the ball, I asked coach if I could sit out the next play and he told me "it's a running play just stay in and block" lmao

    • @deeonesauce
      @deeonesauce Před 4 lety +2

      Yep.. shake off the cobwebs and get back to it. I remember walking into the other teams huddle in pop Warner.

    • @patstutelberg85
      @patstutelberg85 Před 4 lety

      Yeah, back when the game had balls

    • @DWilliam1
      @DWilliam1 Před 4 lety

      Guys would come out for a play, throw up on the sidelines and go back out there. If you got knocked out in the field we had smelling salts and once you woke up more likely than not you went right back out there. Our helmets were shit too.

  • @gamemaniac85
    @gamemaniac85 Před 8 lety +35

    NFL players need sideline health advisors not on NFL payroll...

  • @BJJMadeEasy
    @BJJMadeEasy Před 6 lety +544

    A 100 years from now people are gonna watch archive footage of football and be like: "Damn, this was a real sport, they actually wanted to do this?"

    • @Mr-Soto
      @Mr-Soto Před 5 lety +77

      It’s gonna be looked at like the current age looks at Roman gladiator of centuries ago, “They did that? What were they thinking?”

    • @Chasstful
      @Chasstful Před 5 lety +49

      And men will wear tampons...

    • @justsomenerd8925
      @justsomenerd8925 Před 5 lety +6

      No, they are not going to do that.

    • @lq9734
      @lq9734 Před 5 lety +76

      @@Chasstful If you need to play football to feel manly, I have bad news for you...

    • @jsm530
      @jsm530 Před 5 lety

      @Rob M yes it will dumbass

  • @parker5287
    @parker5287 Před 9 lety +13

    Neckbeard game on point

  • @denisemunoz8735
    @denisemunoz8735 Před 7 lety +2

    My prayers are with you Kyle Turley. I would love to get an update interview on his current medical condition, if he has found good medical treatment, and just how he and his family are since this interview. God Bless Our Football Players!!

  • @truslyd
    @truslyd Před 5 lety +1

    I played from 9 years old thru starting all 4 years of high school...i bulged a disc my junior year that didnt completely herniate until i was 37 years old...sciatica, tingling, nightsweats, the pain i was in i wanted to die...luckily surgery corrected it.

  • @VIBElul
    @VIBElul Před 7 lety +274

    Dog has a serious neck beard.

  • @mototbfb
    @mototbfb Před 9 lety +5

    Very illuminating, thank YOU

  • @garrettcuppels3829
    @garrettcuppels3829 Před 5 lety +1

    I was the Assistant team physician for the Oakland Raiders from 2006-2007 during my Orthopaedic sports medicine fellowship and I can personally say that we never prescribed opioids for active players. The most we administered for pain was an intramuscular injection of Toradol.

    •  Před 5 lety

      I've heard over time, torodol can be pretty bad for you as well. Is there any truth to that?? Thanks in advance my friend.

    • @garrettcuppels3829
      @garrettcuppels3829 Před 5 lety +1

      @ No problem. You are correct. Toradol should not be used for longer than 5 days or else you risk GI bleeding and kidney failure. We only gave it once via IM prior to games.

  • @michaelangel6201
    @michaelangel6201 Před 9 lety +7

    You know, I was a product of the old school style of football, and today I'm still paying the price...when I was growing up stuffing a concussion or getting the shyt knocked outta you was so common until if you complained you were considered weak. I remembered many of times after a hard hit, coach would said you just got your "Bell Rang, suck it up and get back in"...shyt, I remember my nose bleeding and killer headaches...but if you missed practice that was your ass, position and playing time...the sad part to all of this is either they knew and didn't tell us or didn't know...I started taking pain killers once I was in college...the addiction was strong and it taken years to break.

    • @manz7860
      @manz7860 Před 8 lety

      being cool>quality of life.
      lol silly football players

  • @TheSLICEonU
    @TheSLICEonU Před 8 lety +16

    From 8 years old to 18 years old I was beating my body up. Unless it was a knee injury we literally tried to play through everything. I never missed a game or practice for a concussion but I know for a fact that I had a couple. As my playing days ended one of my childhood heroes Junior Seau passed away. I started realizing trauma to the head for so many years can really fuck you up. Now I keep seeing articles about kids that played 4 years of high school football getting their brains checked a large majority of them had signs of brain damage. Yeah, the damage was light but it was still there. I love the sport and sacrificed my body and my mind for it but I don't think I'll let any of my kids play. I don't regret playing though, and I know anyone else that played football growing up feels the same. My team was my family and I still think of them as my brothers to this day.

    • @whatsinthebox5504
      @whatsinthebox5504 Před 6 lety

      I did the same started young, at least four concussions before I graduated. Never knew where the rage and confusion came from. lapse in my memory. I was failing as well. I was a smart kid but it all seemed to slip away with the trauma.

  • @KIKI4444
    @KIKI4444 Před 8 lety +3

    I knew nothing about this. Thanks for posting!

  • @luciousmani
    @luciousmani Před 4 lety +15

    Best summary ever "League of hypocrisy!"

  • @allisonhughes5812
    @allisonhughes5812 Před 5 lety +3

    Thank you for being so brave to share this Kyle!

  • @JROB447
    @JROB447 Před 9 lety +261

    charlie ward made the right decision

    • @rksto
      @rksto Před 9 lety +20

      Iverson too

    • @JROB447
      @JROB447 Před 9 lety +14

      ***** iverson was a beast in football and most likely would ve gone pro but he instead played basketball

    • @TTodd8
      @TTodd8 Před 9 lety +2

      JROB447 Should have done 2 more years though at least then quit

    • @Chasstful
      @Chasstful Před 5 lety

      good call

    • @yoitstonytone7790
      @yoitstonytone7790 Před 5 lety +3

      And Antoine Randell-el made the wrong one

  • @warriorspiritmovers2589
    @warriorspiritmovers2589 Před 4 lety +8

    Kudos to the players that have the courage to speak this truth. This guy is a badass.

  • @tishku8885
    @tishku8885 Před 4 lety +2

    VICE thank you for bringing awareness to this. Hoping all high school athletes watch these.

  • @Jonny15227
    @Jonny15227 Před 3 lety +2

    I played HS ball in the 90s. I know there were times I got concussions in practice and was told to shake it off. Times have changed.

  • @brownecourtorielle
    @brownecourtorielle Před 8 lety +5

    I played Junior Level of football in Canada. When i had an injury week 1 of the season in my second year, I had and instant X-Ray and MRI from the team doctor. Sweet. It was diagnosed with a bone bruise and a tear in my meniscus. I was given pain medication and anti inflammatories. The pressure from my team doctor and defensive coordinator to make an early come back due to other injuries at the linebacker position. Came back early, got hurt worse. Knee hasn't been the same since

  • @TheFrancisLalanne
    @TheFrancisLalanne Před 6 lety +6

    A very courageous and honest testimonial. This game needs stricter regulation on drug use and impartial guidance for the players.

  • @optimistichorizon
    @optimistichorizon Před 5 lety +1

    *Thank you for telling your Side of the Events.*

  • @dattmougherty_5392
    @dattmougherty_5392 Před 6 lety +2

    They really make that 2007 clip sound like it's from 1977

  • @FloridaManMatty
    @FloridaManMatty Před 4 lety +3

    About two years ago, I had an opportunity to spend a day with a recently retired NFL kicker who had played with Chicago, Jax, and a couple other teams. He’s a clean cut, and clearly intelligent guy. He was riding along with me on my Ambulance to see if he had any desire to pursue a career in medicine.
    Of course at some point, the subject of the leagues stance on pharmaceuticals came up. That guy sat there and looked me in the eye and told me that the NFL never had any REAL issues with drug abuse among the players. He told me that “no one in the league really uses steroids or HGH because none of that stuff actually works” and later said that apart from “a few guys here and there over the years” there has never been any significant abuse of cocaine, amphetamines, or cannabis because “pros don’t want to lose their edge”, then he had the audacity to tell me and my partner that former players who claim that pain meds are a problem are “nothing but glory hound has-beens looking for an excuse to suck”. I’ll be sure to pass that along to Brett Favre if I ever cross his path.
    Apparently one thing the NFL isn’t missing is a lying, arrogant ass hat who apparently assumes that some regular guys in a regular municipal Fire/EMS department could t possibly know anything about (or have any personal experience with) any of that stuff. Nope! No one in the NFL has ever used Deca, Coke, OxyContin, or even an Aspirin because the 1980s called and asked for their DARE spokesman to stop with the BS. Needless to say, he didn’t make any friends in the fire house that day.

    • @samking3875
      @samking3875 Před 3 lety

      Fuck me that's unbelievable! Did he think it was your 1st day in the world hahaha. Much respect to you for the work you do good sir.

  • @phixxxer11
    @phixxxer11 Před 5 lety +21

    A lot brain damaged players out there. This will not end well. Time will tell.

  • @BarfingCoyote
    @BarfingCoyote Před 8 lety

    Amen brother, its not only at the pro level. 4 knee surgeries (rt & lft), 3 concussions, broken left foot, bone chip right wrist, broken nose x3, couple broken fingers and who knows how many sprains, bone bruises etc. I never made it to the college level.But to this day its in my head "You play hurt and you never quit".

  • @kendramarcos2636
    @kendramarcos2636 Před 5 lety +1

    Nice talk appreciate your honesty

  • @bjbaron4499
    @bjbaron4499 Před 6 lety +7

    As a parent I will be a 100% sure to discourage my kids from playing football and encourage them to play other sports! He hit it directly on the head the amount of elite athletes going to football will drastically drop and they will start playing other sports professionally where they can have longer careers and a normal life after Sports.

  • @stephenloflin9984
    @stephenloflin9984 Před 5 lety +4

    I loved watching Turley play. He played with a savage aggression.

  • @UKBornin1971
    @UKBornin1971 Před 4 lety +49

    The NFL doesn't give a DAMN, about these players.

    • @snowblind9065
      @snowblind9065 Před 4 lety +2

      they don,t give a damn about the fans neither..All they care about is greed..They are the original evil empire.watch the movie "concussed" and see how they went about trying to discredit the 2 protagonists in the movie.

    • @UKBornin1971
      @UKBornin1971 Před 4 lety +2

      @Robert Day And the nfl and owners make BILLIONS, you get over it

    • @MatrixEdit
      @MatrixEdit Před 4 lety +1

      The player knows what he is getting himself into when signing his name. Sad but players being used like pawns

    • @HiBye-ec8ts
      @HiBye-ec8ts Před 4 lety

      its a business

    • @ethanabelman2837
      @ethanabelman2837 Před 4 lety

      Sam Mukhin literally that’s what football is playing football they own that team

  • @jamesfarrington9030
    @jamesfarrington9030 Před rokem +1

    Sorry to hear of your plight, Kyle. Praying for you to get and feel better.

  • @mbatson13
    @mbatson13 Před 6 lety +9

    I wish you the best Kyle... I remember you when you were at SDSU. I hope your voice is heard and that future players are treated more humanely.

  • @ThomGabel
    @ThomGabel Před 9 lety +20

    5:00 Why? 'Cause money, that's why. Great piece VICE, the NFL has a lot of shit to own up to and fundamentally change this year.

    • @DaWoYoYo
      @DaWoYoYo Před 9 lety

      Right on spot. That's why for the league and it's the reason every player speaking up now, did what they did then.

    • @RobertoGreenthumb
      @RobertoGreenthumb Před 9 lety

      easier to cover up tracks than to go back and fix em

    • @MrOTBxTrains
      @MrOTBxTrains Před 9 lety

      ***** the nfl doesn't pay taxes

  • @tonem427
    @tonem427 Před 7 lety

    Wow..i remember that play..😐. and i remember those hits when i played. The lighting in your eyes when you hit people head to head. Your legs go numb for a couple of seconds sometimes. And as you run off the field to the bench you hope you get to the bench without letting people know you are Knocked out. I played DE, Blocking Fullback on Goal-line plays, I was on every Kickoff and Kickreturn, then in Junuior college i played Nose, D Tackle, DE, and linebacker during stunt plays- I was 295lbs, 16% bodyfat at 6,2". with a 4.7 40 time. Hight school (Miami Senior High School 1998-2002) i was 245lbs, 4.5 40 with a 38" vertical, during end of my junior and senior years. Here in Miami if people, coaches, friends dont hear your helmet during plays, you're not hitting or playing hard enough..i too bought into the macho bullshit of hitting head to head trying to KO people and trying to show off. Not worth all the symptoms that come from that. Am 33yrs old today and I've felt all these symptoms in the past 13yrs. But what a bad ass game. I'd do it again, just not hitting head to head.😉

  • @marcanthony289
    @marcanthony289 Před 6 lety

    Thank you your honesty is priceless hopefully this video will reach everyone out there that likes or loves football

  • @Adamacaciastrainn
    @Adamacaciastrainn Před 7 lety +90

    His hair matches his chest tattoo :P

    • @Jidds
      @Jidds Před 6 lety +1

      Daveson 💀💀💀💀

    • @LeoWhalen1933
      @LeoWhalen1933 Před 4 lety

      Now that's an excellent observation.

  • @smithnwesson990
    @smithnwesson990 Před 6 lety +4

    What do you expect? You know these men hit eachother with the force of a CAR CRASH! Imagine multiple car crashes a day....its insane!

    • @themuzzdaddy
      @themuzzdaddy Před 5 lety

      They expect their doctors to actually do their job properly and not put them at more risk because you know that's kind of what doctors are supposed to do. Oh my God who would have ever expected that logic you dumb dumb

  • @andrewmacejak6810
    @andrewmacejak6810 Před 4 lety

    My god parents lived in his home off cella road in the St. Louis area... the size of the humidor and cellar was just something!

  • @TheRajuSharma
    @TheRajuSharma Před 3 lety

    Thanks for speaking out

  • @mattc9412
    @mattc9412 Před 5 lety +5

    Any Given Sunday was way more accurate than people realize...

    • @jessejames8774
      @jessejames8774 Před 5 lety

      Look at the shark lt character but players were stubborn back then if a doctor talked about concussions they would walk away

  • @natec913
    @natec913 Před 4 lety +6

    Kyle, you are a good man. I appreciate you speaking honestly. I wish the best for you and your family.

  • @JakeEwing50
    @JakeEwing50 Před 3 lety

    This is so well done. I feel for these guys.

  • @andrewmarocco7811
    @andrewmarocco7811 Před 5 lety

    I played from the age of 5 until I was 22, including 4 yrs of Div 3 college ball. I took a few cortisone shots, and it did wonders. Now, at 44, I feel the effects. Years of carrying unnatural weight, I was a nose tackle, ignoring injuries, and just playing, has taken it's toll. I can only imagine what these guys go through. A lot of then are younger than me, and are physically "shot." Football is, and will always be my favorite sport. But, there are ramifications for everything.

  • @hijackjoe
    @hijackjoe Před 8 lety +8

    Good job VIce. We watch and pay for this so we need to care about these guys. Kids look up to these guys!

  • @EnsoLLC
    @EnsoLLC Před 8 lety +883

    Legalize cannabis for sports. These pain narcotic are doing more harms than good.

    • @matt1335
      @matt1335 Před 8 lety +71

      +Arfnudaniack Blue Smoking pot is a way better alternative than being hooked on scripts which is comparable to a heroin attic. And no one said it cures anything, just fyi.

    • @djkurse9209
      @djkurse9209 Před 8 lety +57

      Weed doesn't help pain like opiates. Please do your research

    • @patrickbuckley4419
      @patrickbuckley4419 Před 8 lety +14

      +Jake Long weed doesnt fix the problem either though. not against smoking but seriously dont be stupid.

    • @EnsoLLC
      @EnsoLLC Před 8 lety +30

      +Patrick Buckley When did I said it fix the problem? Its a remedy just like opiate. How am I stupid?

    • @gmoneyq
      @gmoneyq Před 8 lety +9

      +Jake Long I've had multiple collapsed lungs and 2 surgeries, I'm in pain everyday, and pot has never helped any of my pain, only the addictive opiates will, that doctors refuse to prescribe in most cases. It may work for others, but not me, I wish it did, it's way cheaper and a lot less addictive.

  • @lexstacks6944
    @lexstacks6944 Před 5 lety +2

    They only look out for position players, and mainly star position players.. qb, wr, rb, etc..

  • @devilred1971
    @devilred1971 Před 5 lety +1

    I Still Have my one and only NFL jersey and it’s a Kyle Turley Gold colored Saints Jersey...sadly very worn ..great Player saw him play ... saw him at a Slayer concert ..😎

    • @WA-ge3vz
      @WA-ge3vz Před 5 lety

      and I have my RG3 jersey. I win..... :(

  • @rustusandroid
    @rustusandroid Před 3 lety +4

    If players in the NFL can't afford health insurance, then we are all doomed.

  • @jlowe8059
    @jlowe8059 Před 7 lety +16

    The thing is, injuries are widely documented now, and no player has an excuse to claim they didn't know. Yet they still sign up in droves, and I would too if given the opportunity. All good things in life come with risk, and playing in the NFL is an incredible achievement.

    • @BrianDubs98
      @BrianDubs98 Před 7 lety +2

      jeff lowe exactly

    • @iananddani
      @iananddani Před 7 lety +9

      Its not a incredible achievement if you don't get to live a normal life after it's over.

    • @jlowe8059
      @jlowe8059 Před 7 lety +1

      Thats not true.

    • @iananddani
      @iananddani Před 7 lety +7

      I see a lot of regret for NFL players.

  • @thegolflife7565
    @thegolflife7565 Před 5 lety

    I played football for years and was a top running back recruit until I was injured twice. I was never, ever ridiculed or criticized for coming out a down after taking a big hit or telling the team doc I was hurt. But the. Again I was all in and everyone knew I would play if I could and usually if I could play it would help ensure us a win because of how good our running game and offense was we knew most games two or three touchdowns would win because our defense usually limited our opponents to less than two scores. It’s more about getting kids into the sport young and teaching them proper technique and tackling so they don’t get concussions and don’t get stingers or other injuries. Telling a kid oh you can’t play til you get to junior high or high school is a huge mistake because those fundamentals and how to play the game right you learn at a young age. I actually had a coach who tore my head off for running the score up on a team we had beat because it wasn’t good sportsmanship. Good men create good coaches and sadly there aren’t enough great coaches. I was lucky to have a great coach who made me the player I was and looking back they are my fondest memories.

  • @lindsayraines1060
    @lindsayraines1060 Před 6 lety +1

    One of my all-time favorite saints

  • @ryanc9527
    @ryanc9527 Před 9 lety +4

    Good for you sir! I'm proud of you for speaking up. Good for you. F the NFL. Good for you.

  • @noseefood1943
    @noseefood1943 Před 5 lety +41

    sound similar to working at the Amazon warehouse.

    • @blakepatterson9247
      @blakepatterson9247 Před 5 lety +3

      Hurt my knee in the factory was there for 3 months I went to my doctor got cleared came back and said no no you have to go to there doctors on the list I did and I never go a call back to come back so I just quit they treat you like a number it's bull

    • @MarciusWhithood
      @MarciusWhithood Před 5 lety +2

      I avoided their job interview after doing research on it. This is why unions happen.

    • @backseatpalace
      @backseatpalace Před 4 lety

      Preach I work there now

    • @noseefood1943
      @noseefood1943 Před 4 lety +2

      @@backseatpalace I worked at an Amazon warehouse for two years now saw so many injured. They don't give a shit

    • @Davido50
      @Davido50 Před 4 lety +1

      Fook Amazon! They suck.

  • @dalejennings2677
    @dalejennings2677 Před 2 lety +1

    My favorite o line man of all time. "It's not a size position it's a technique position." Took that to heart.

  • @kendramarcos2636
    @kendramarcos2636 Před 5 lety

    Hope you stay well

  • @Essays4College
    @Essays4College Před 6 lety +4

    Much respect for Kyle Turley. I remember when you took off a guy's helmet for a dirty hit on his QB.

  • @JarradBurgon
    @JarradBurgon Před 7 lety +24

    This sport could learn from football (soccer). Injuries are taken seriously. Even a unnatural high heart rate stops you playing on the day.

    • @lebron5760
      @lebron5760 Před 7 lety +3

      Jarrad Burgon u gotta be tough to play American sports it's just the way it is

    • @ryanharper4078
      @ryanharper4078 Před 6 lety +6

      Only thing soccer teaches is how to be a pussy.

    • @MrOpticBlade
      @MrOpticBlade Před 5 lety +4

      Jarrad Burgon No it doesn’t. You don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes. All football ”soccer” players have issues playing and are on pain killers aswell. It’s the name of the game in every professional sport.

    • @smhgaming3259
      @smhgaming3259 Před 4 lety

      That's cause y'all are pussy if you can play play

    • @alexlawender2543
      @alexlawender2543 Před 4 lety +1

      @@lebron5760 watch some rugby and shut the fuck up

  • @bigtay522
    @bigtay522 Před 4 lety +1

    The oilfield is the same way. Company doctors told me I would be ok after I was hurt twice. 10 years later I have scar tissue in my foot, blown back and hands that just go numb while I'm sleeping. All the team rhetoric goes out the window when you can no longer put on the uniform

  • @SuperLooneyrooney
    @SuperLooneyrooney Před 6 lety +1

    very well spoken guy.

  • @michaelsmith5463
    @michaelsmith5463 Před 5 lety +5

    Money, money, money.
    Logical sense that this is a workmanship comp issue...like any other dangerous job.
    Similarly, college athletes are employees...and it comes back to money and liability

  • @IamHardtokill
    @IamHardtokill Před 4 lety +6

    Why are you continuing to kick this can down the road?
    Answer: Money

  • @mggeers
    @mggeers Před 4 lety

    Any given Sunday recreates this perfectly!

  • @billbeliakoff5589
    @billbeliakoff5589 Před 4 lety +1

    I like how Mike Ditka is there sticking up for the players. Players that he himself sent back onto the field knowing that they were injured or concussed. And he can't say he didn't know, since he is a former player and could tell if they're injured.

  • @cntfoolmebuddy
    @cntfoolmebuddy Před 6 lety +19

    *Bro neck beard about to become neck-chest-beard-hair.*

  • @anubisthedog2
    @anubisthedog2 Před 7 lety +6

    does anyone know anyone who doesn't think they have a high pain tolerance?

  • @TheVatonaught
    @TheVatonaught Před 6 lety +1

    I lived in constant chronic pain for 25 years...barely able to keep my job and worried all the time... after I retired I discovered a pain killer that helped me experience painlessness...then I was able to do without the drug. Now I can lift weights again... I have mixed feelings about these drugs.

  • @Jefff72
    @Jefff72 Před 6 lety +2

    I always wanted to play football as a kid which I played from 7th to 10th grade. Videos like this make me thankful for my lack of talent. My position was riding the bench and I don't regret it.

  • @DreEst1991
    @DreEst1991 Před 9 lety +56

    rugby is not football! no one is switching. Have you ever fell in love with something and then someone tells you to change everything about it that made you fall in love in the first place? Let football players be that and rugby player be that. They play their respective sports for a reason...because its the sport they wanna play...

    • @tomrobinson1829
      @tomrobinson1829 Před 8 lety +3

      +GEAUXTIGERS0109 An Australian Rugby League player who was earning about a million a year over here just joined the SF 49ers. Plenty of people swap between these sports.

    • @DreEst1991
      @DreEst1991 Před 8 lety +6

      Tom Robinson
      that's one guy...and he's not even good my dude.. they saw speed and strength and jumped on the opportunity.

    • @joed.5748
      @joed.5748 Před 8 lety +3

      +Tom Robinson He just returned to Rugby.

    • @cgee7590
      @cgee7590 Před 6 lety

      Then maybe football players should stop whining about money? I mean, if they love the game so much, they should just shut up and take their brain damage...unless they don't love the game enough to play it as it is...as far as I know nobody grew up playing football for the money, but that what a lot of them want to go pro for...so are they playing because they love it, or because it's where they can make the most money?

    • @justsomenerd8925
      @justsomenerd8925 Před 5 lety +1

      @@DreEst1991, you love football? Do us all a favor and don't have kids, you aren't welcome in the gene pool.

  • @keegan1948
    @keegan1948 Před 8 lety +6

    Exactly why Chris Borland left the NFL after his rookie year

    • @marvinflatt6947
      @marvinflatt6947 Před 4 lety

      No made enough money and his injuries forced him to leave, he had the same problem at Wisconsin.
      Made enough money and quit..... smart man he was!

    • @blackedmirror5073
      @blackedmirror5073 Před 4 lety

      He still has a bother in Limp Bizkit that makes a lot of money though.

    • @marvinflatt6947
      @marvinflatt6947 Před 4 lety

      @@blackedmirror5073 a MAN really doesn't want to live off his brother.....js

  • @elitebehindthedoor6235

    I played football for 6 years (7th grade - senior year) . 10th grade on the 3rd play of game. (I played Guard) my hand got jammed into thr kids pads and he fell over. I ended up breaking my hand and breaking the growth plate in my thumb . I had to get it surgically repaired . I played the whole game, i didnt want to let my teammates down. 6 years later my hand is still fucked up. I barley have a strong grip with it .i cant lift anything heavy for very long . The affected thumb is obviously smaller when i compare the 2. As much as i love football it wrecks your body

  • @Adam-rb2zm
    @Adam-rb2zm Před 8 lety

    same happend to me. five surgeries in four years, and a ton of oxycotton. took me nearly a decade to get off of drugs and get back to a normal life

  • @817zac4
    @817zac4 Před 4 lety +5

    All they care about is money no matter how many concussion videos or movies come out nfl players are expendable there is always another person willing to play and ask less questions

  • @Kollin011
    @Kollin011 Před 9 lety +37

    Using painkillers is a form of performance enhancing drug. He's right when he says that. It makes you do things no normal person can. Why do they do this? Breads and circuses man. Bread and circuses.

    • @Saeraen
      @Saeraen Před 9 lety +2

      Kollin011 It doesn't actually enhance performance. It simpl;y allows players to play through pain, does it allow them to sprint faster then they normally can? Lift more? Hit harder? no.

    • @possumverde
      @possumverde Před 9 lety +9

      Saeraen They may not advance someone's performance beyond their "peak" but by allowing a person to perform at their peak when they otherwise could not, they do technically enhance performance. For example, If I have a vehicle which can hit a certain top speed for a short amount of time before needing a cool down and I find some after market product that allows that top speed to be maintained a little longer, I may not have increased my top speed but by being able to push it beyond it's normal endurance, I will have bettered my overall lap times (assuming of course that whatever track I'm on has areas where maintaining my top speed longer would come into play)...and thus enhanced it's performance...

    • @theilluminedone7896
      @theilluminedone7896 Před 8 lety +3

      Saeraen Playing through pain unnaturally with Toradol and other powerful painkillers is definitely performance enhancer. That is like saying the USa sending the CIA and Green Berets to subvert a foreign government and incite a revolution to get a government who will do business with us is not actually dirty.... NEWSFLASH its dirty.

    • @immanuelkunt4796
      @immanuelkunt4796 Před 8 lety

      +Maiq TheLiar I agree with both of your seperate statements. But to be honest, I don't think saying "painkillers are not perfermance enhancers" is at all like saying " the usa helping to subvert a foregin government to get a government that will do business with them is not dirty". I mean I guess they're both examples of false statements, but if we have the whole class of false statements to choose from, I would have a hard time picking two statements that have less to do with eachother, than those two statements did. But, I still agree with you on the important stuff, though.

    • @PlaySA
      @PlaySA Před 6 lety +1

      That is enhancinf performance. Legitimate medication like adderall can trigger a suspension as performance enhancing, so how is the ability to block out your pain with drugs not performance enhancing? More than that, it's wrong. And these guys can't even smoke weed smh

  • @tellemhowbeer3517
    @tellemhowbeer3517 Před 4 lety

    Wow, i can relate to this gent so much.

  • @fishbonefla5917
    @fishbonefla5917 Před 5 lety

    I dislocated my arm playing jv it still bothers and hurts me today 15 years later

  • @johnconnor5596
    @johnconnor5596 Před 8 lety +13

    i honestly thought from first looking at the title that it would be about Kyler Turley playing Numb by Linkin Park

    • @jojojaykay
      @jojojaykay Před 6 lety

      Michael Danh
      You're a beautiful person.

  • @vapeshrimp5220
    @vapeshrimp5220 Před 5 lety +2

    How and why does a dog eat an entire bottle of pills?

  • @BCBudBarron
    @BCBudBarron Před 8 lety

    I never made it to within a sniff of any high level football leagues. But I was knocked unconscious twice in practice from blindside hits on kick return drills and once in a game. all three times were in the same season and I was told I just had my bell rung and was urged back into both practice and the game. I had to quit playing any contact sport at the age of 18 because of severe post concussion symptoms, which I suffered with for 2 years after the fact. I went through depression from not being able to live my life the way I wanted to and it took me along time to get over that.

  • @zytrik1
    @zytrik1 Před 8 lety

    One of my top two favorite players ever!

  • @buzzcrushtrendkill
    @buzzcrushtrendkill Před 5 lety +20

    Look at rugby. The NFL should geta rid of pads and use only leather helmets. The pads are only protecting the person making the tackle and allows them to hit harder

    • @marvinflatt6947
      @marvinflatt6947 Před 4 lety +1

      NFL had leather helmets 40 yrs ago!

    • @doubleeeeeee
      @doubleeeeeee Před 4 lety +2

      thats how they used to play and people were literally dying on the field

    • @luciousmani
      @luciousmani Před 4 lety

      I agree. . .rugby players are trained tacklers. . .football players use there bodies as torpedoes. They have a false sense of security with all the padding. . . .

    • @marvinflatt6947
      @marvinflatt6947 Před 4 lety

      @@luciousmani football players are more safe because of the pads and helmets if taught the right way.( head up and use shoulders)
      Don't lead with their head.
      Rugby players suffer alot of the same injuries but just tackle different, they go more for the legs( which is good).That was taught back until player's went with "big hit" instead of proper tackling.

  • @rtorontonion7191
    @rtorontonion7191 Před 7 lety +30

    This is why I never went to the NFL.............i'm 5.2

  • @pjh2331
    @pjh2331 Před 3 lety +1

    Blindly trusting a doctor is one of the worst mistakes you can make

  • @pistolwhippin2.038
    @pistolwhippin2.038 Před 8 lety

    Powerful message