The Controversial Plan for Miami's Deadly Condo Site
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My high school friend lived in this apartment with his college girlfriend when it collapsed. He was a very cheerful person, kind, warm-hearted - he was the president of the student body government, then went on to go to UChicago with a bright future awaiting him... I'm two years younger and slept on the very exact dorm room/bed that he slept in in high school and I couldn't believe this when it happened. We miss him dearly every day.
I am sorry for your loss mate. 😔🤧😟😢😖
I saw the sight myself as a Miami native and my heart is with you. I want to protest for the location to be a memorial park. Not another luxury apartment. Sadly I’m across borders now.
I knew someone who had a condo on the 4th floor facing west. She sold it just over a year before the collapse. I spent many a weekend's there and parked in the underground lot. I can tell you that it was a mess. Lots of rust staining on columns and the roof of the lot. Evidence of several patching works was visible everywhere and puddles would form after rainstorms. I'm not an architect, but you didn't have to be one to realize that there was something very wrong with the building.
The fact that they had to sell the building to provide money for the lawsuits says a lit. And it isn't good.
@@jameswilson5165 James, one of the primary reasons why Sheila sold her condo at Champlain South was because nothing was ever done to remediate the problems that arose through the years. The condo Gestapo, as I like to call them, were collecting hefty monthly maintenance fees. If anything went wrong, all their crews did was throw plaster to patch up and paint over it. I also owned a condo in Ft. Lauderdale. Now, that building was a fortress. Built in 1971 and one block from the beach in the north side of A1A. Nothing was ever overlooked. I bought it in 1989 and sold it in 2003. We were hit with 3 big fees over the years to repair various structural problems. Today is a beautifully modernized building. Champlain Towers were grossly damaged by neglect and avarice. One billion dollars is hardly enough to compensate for the loss of life and property. Disgusting!
@@jameswilson5165 - the land was collectivly owned by the condo unit owners, they could have rebuilt their unts on same land if they so choose.. the lawsuits were against the vendors and such + themselves. They are THE CONDO ASSOCIATION... The vote was obvisoly to collect as much money as they could and walk away... (Families of residents that died too)
@@williamhaynes7089 How much money did the dead collect? You just don't get it. Someone or a lot of 'someone' needs to be behind bars for this. That building fell because of greed.
@jameswilson5165 what is the greed ? The people that owned the building lived there and chose not to fix it in timely manor.. building fell and many owners dided.. the family members of them are entitled to their estate.. there is no rich owner in NY type person in this... you going to put the owners that lived and voted no on repairs on jail? The city does not inspect private buildings unless you pull a building permit, etc.. the cts was doing the 40 year certification abd thats done thry a private building insoector abd given to city when completed.
Back in the 1970's general contractors would bribe the city building inspectors to look the other way. It was very common.
Was gonna say this. I think we’re just waiting for someone to admit to this on his death bead and explain what he saw and didn’t report.
@fluffydog4217 Miami was corrupt, and bribes were normal part of doing business
Even today. Miami Dade inspectors are full of inconsistencies.
Mass deregulation of safety regulations made it even worse and less transparent when problems did arise. Building owners almost always choose the cheapest bid for repairs, which means red flags are patched over, rather than be brought to the owners attention. That’s capitalism ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
bribing has never stopped
Difficult video to make. Hats off to the B1M team.
Thank you.
Why people die every day
120m purchase price for the land alone and only 57 apartments. These are definitely not going to be cheap!
Why would you think Miami beachfront property would be cheap?
Poor people don't buy these condos wtf
Nowadays a 10 milion net worth is middle class, so....
@@pavelow235 lol no it's not
@@pavelow235 Since when is top 1% the same as middle class?
The people in the building right next door must have difficulty sleeping. Knowing what’s possible with a daily reminder staring right at them.
They are rich, and the new building will usher in a higher class of people. CTS was a older lower priced building.
From what I had read about the tragedy, the building's board which is made up of elected tenants, repeatedly refused to deal with the structural repairs needed. Even in the final days, the board prioritized the roof over the overdue structural repairs.
This report is very accurate from all public reportings. Being a South Florida resident myself, many of us follow this tragedy closely even to today. May the victims rest in peace.
One of the more interesting theories about a contributing cause of the collapse was the renovation of several units, which added huge amounts of additional weight that the building was not designed to carry. These included large amounts of marble and stone on floors, walls, counters, and balconies. In addition, bathroom remodelings used extremely heavy bathtubs and large amount of incredible heavy thick glass walls for large shower enclosures. I even saw some videos that showed these additions to the units. The end result were condos that were incredibly gorgeous with high resell values. But it was extremely obvious that the amount of additional weight that the floors had to support was enormous.
I still persist that a big part of the problem was having the pool deck connected to the rest of the building. This was just like a critical failure bridge where one damaged part causes the whole thing to collapse.
Properly engineered load bearing columns should have prevented the collapse...even if the pool deck collapsed. The problem was, the columns on the collapsed side were under-engineered. A properly engineered building should have been able to absorb the pool deck collapsing preventing the chain reaction. And one side, that was properly engineered did. Textbook case of willful negligence by developers that wanted to save time and money.
@@opinionatedopiner - but 40 years later, many building practices have changed.. plus the statue of limitations has long passed so even if you could find the builder, they are not liable now.
For anyone who has sat on a condo board knows what happens. Owners don’t want to pay for repairs and will push back vigorously. Finally the ground was sold to help owners/victims with their financial loses. You can’t pull that back
considering they were responible for the cleanup and recuse costs... but Biden signed an executive order and passed that on to tax payers. The amount of money each owner got was a lot higher than it would be otherwise.
What is not being addressed by this video, nor in any of the comments I've read so far, is the increasingly suspect model of condominium management itself: Residents who are unpaid, amateur volunteers; and who often have a personal agenda when they join the board in the first place. All too often, as was evidenced in the meeting minutes of Surfside, basic maintenance is perpetually put off in the service of keeping Condo dues as low as possible. Governments (notably Florida's) respond by layering in more and more regulations, which in turn feeds a cottage industry of engineers, consultants, and attorneys who advise the boards on what is to be required of them. It's not sustainable.
Yes exactly. I grew up near this building and my family has the same issue with this system all over miami, its a mess.
"Building Integrity" has been a good channel to follow for analysis of this and other troubled building projects.
Yes! 💯
The creepy thing is that there is an almost exact copy of the collapsed tower just a few blocks north. If they still don't have an idea why that tower collapsed, I would not feel safe in the twin building. As you mentioned, the collapsed tower got a new 40 year certification not too long before the collapse. So would you want to live in the twin building?
It was going under 40 year Certification it didn’t complete it. Re watch the video.
It didn’t complete the 40 yr recertification and the other condo was built by a different company
???
An engineering study had been done but the fixes had not been started. The cost was exorbitant.
I would argue that this building style was common at the time
Saw the short an hour ago, such an eye-opening video. Great work B1M, I'm a recent sub and have enjoyed the content very much.
While this story is a tragedy and I feel for the victims. It's time to rebuild. A memorial is definitely appropriate, but not on the entire site.
Honestly it would be better if it was so it would become public land instead of a mega-millions apartment building for the rich
@vehicles_n_stuff the only way to cover the victim payouts was to resell the land. The new building will enhance the area for sure.
@@vehicles_n_stuffWe can't keep turning tragedies into reserved space. Making a checkerboard of uselessly small memorial parks in the shadow of high rises doesn't help anyone in general. And in general, the notion that you are owed control of land just because your loved ones died there is NEVER going to be a "just this once" case. Allowing the roadside accident memorials in spite of the hazard they cause has shown what a mess that becomes.
This isn't exactly homes for the poor, but this wasn't the homes of the wealthy either. These were in the 600k range per unit, which is firmly middle of the middle class.
They WILL have housing somewhere, so your plan, whether you realize it or not, is for a developer to take space from even lower income people to make your park that's only really useful to the people in that neighborhood already. Meanwhile the lower income people get pushed further into urban sprawl and long commutes.
We have spaces to honor our dead. We have plaques to honor historical tragedy. But we cannot afford to let sentiment derail zoning and land use.
@@Merennulli I agree. People die all the time, it's one of the only guarantees in life. And we already have plots of land dedicated to their remembrance, they're called Cemeteries.
Looks to me like an inside job. No way a building would just collapse like that.
The public has so much unconscious trust in apartments since they're so globally ubiquitous, but this tragedy has been so difficult with me to wrestle with. I'm a huge advocate for cities as the future, but I have to admit that the idea of ONE building holding the lives of dozens of families isn't so appealing anymore....
When grappling with this sort of thing, remember that for every incident like this, there are 12+ buildings in some cities from the late 1800s that are still in great conditions that shelter hundreds of people. There are millions of mid-rise buildings from the 40s that hold dozens of families. We have been building dense buildings like this one for as long as we have been able to, and a tragedy like this is so rare as to prompt hundreds of CZcams videos about it. It's horrifying, and we should take important building lessons from, but it is also a statistical outlier.
There's a reason why Brutalism is still used
If they want a memorial, they should try to negotiate with the current owner/developer to have a memorial garden, etc placed on the property. Basically, pitch it as a feature that provides value to future residents, instead of merely being something that provides value solely to those focused on a tragedy from the past.
the middle east buyer billionaire probably could care less ! said the property could not be sold a american person
Heartless
There's going to be a memorial, just not at that location. It's supposed to be on the same street nearby the building.
honestly, I think they should build a memorial plaza & garden that opens up onto the beachfront from the new condo building
@@electro_sykesThat could work. I'd gladly see some sort of memorial on the site. I just hope the entire tragedy is a lesson about the dangers of deferring maintenance. Unfortunately, it happens all over the country and leads to horrible consequences.
that new building, apt are gonna go for 40mill per unit probably 😂😂
120m for land / 57 units = 2.1 mil just for the land, so yea lol
It's a interesting video, Hats off to the B1M team
jeffostroff's channel has been following this collapse since it happened and goes into massive amounts of depth on what might have happened.
The problem was the old building, not building new. The state of the old building was very evidently very poor so there was a failure to take problems seriously rather than anything really being missed.
Thank you 😊
Another fantastic video as always 👍
Tragedy upon tragedy is how quickly people forget the loss from disasters of the past. I feel sad when I hear the disgruntled railing against building codes and regulations-often even people I know and love. Life is precious. Anything else must be relative to that fact.
Unknowingly went to this site traveling A1A and let me tell you it was reminiscent of 9/11 and the WTC site afterwards. Very humbling and sad to know they were still trying to find people under the rubble and would sound the bell when they found a body. God bless the families and all that were effected. That will always stick with me
The condos were demoed too
The most important things we learn are thru failures . As sad and devastating as failures are of this kind , hopefully more scrutiny will be put on who builds this new building . Putting off repairs is a recipe for disaster in itself and should serve as a warning for all other building owners in the area .
It is actually Surfside Beach which is one of miami's metropolitan area beach town.
Constructive criticism, this could have been a one minute short video. It really contained very little information about the new building potentially going up.
It's called "click bait"
Seems like a lot of his videos are like that now. Very little detail info on the actual structures and how they're built, but a lot of other fluff.
dude, i live ten or so blocks form the chaplain tower .... i just wanna saythanks for telling the story accurately!!!
Respectfully and tastefully done B1M team
Tasteful? @6:35 "if you enjoyed this video" blah blah "subscribe".
Pretty tasteless if you ask me.
@@g00rb4u they literally do it for every video. It didn't even occur to me that it could've seemed distasteful - it doesn't to me, but each to their own.
B1m inspired me to build my own house. Plz do a project in the bahamas
Life goes on
While there may not be a definitive ruling by NIST - I've seen enough in the available CZcams investigations to make my decision. Incident waiting to happen - specbuilt block, chuck it up and pack'em in - make over after make over without a thought given to the original design and poor maintenance. Recipe for disaster.
What I've heard about the NIST operation so far - fills me with suspicion - tell me of a British construction job where the spec for rebar is 3/4" coverage!!! Ridiculous. We have the elevated section of the M4 motorway shrouded in netting and festooned by aftermarket post stressing cables and untold numbers of other building where the concrete coverage of min 2" has not been sufficient to prevent water ingress and corrosion of the reinforcing mat or bars. I cannot believe a pukka engineer can stand up in America and speak for NIST and spout such rubbish. That building was a stone's throw from the sea for chrissakes!
You could have said a bit more about the building or construction that replaces the tower that collapsed.
No word about the Architecture firm already contracted for plans.
The problem most likely was, when salt water gets into concrete structures, it can turn acidic and actually eat the columns from the inside and disolve the rebarb. Its why ensure the casing of the concreet is so important. The concreet used in a lot of Miami and south Florida buildings is substandard by todays requirments for dealing with salt water. It wasnt even the best back in the 50s when many of these buildings were constructed, but was allowed. The problem was, if the casing was cracked all the way though they were supposed to do a sonar study (I forget the exact term) to analyze the beam to ensure the rebard was still intact. This was not only never done, but was pushed off as it would be expensive. There were other test of course but that was the easy one. This is why the building most likely collapsed. Now these test were ordered for practically every building in south Florida and the HOAs need to have the money to cover repairs. Next to none have it. As for the new building, I hate it when something that was affordable gives way for more housing for the rich, but I've priced a Florida condo recently, the HOA fee was more than the mortgage and was expected to increase within a few years. I suppose the rich are now the only ones that can afford to live on the beach.
i hope that authorities learnt their lesson and won't make the same mistake again in Miami.
The condos owners dont need the government to tell them to fix their building... they can collect the money from each other and take care of any time they desire (before it falls down) So i dont blame Miami government for this issue
thank you for clarification 👍@@williamhaynes7089
Love your channel!
@BuildingIntegrity has a great series of videos on the collapse
I know what happened! A wasp built a nest in one of the pitot tubes...
They should have installed Ram Air Turbines to power the cameras next time, there were cameras everywhere but the footage seems gone
The problem is salt water from the floods. It get absorbed by the concrete piles and rots the concrete and rebars from inside The only cure is to when they build the structures add additives to concrete mix, just like bridge piles in salt water. It will cost a little more when they’re building.
"With no obvious initiating event for the collapse", you know, except for the well documented chain of neglicence that ensured the obvious damage from the construction next door was never addressed...
@TheB1M Will there be an update video on the Jeddah Tower? In September (2023), the Middle East Economic Digest (MEED) reported that Jeddah Economic City had restarted the project and that a call for tenders had been issued for a contract to complete construction of the 1,000-meter tower. Thanks in advance for your response.
Which music was used in this video?
The fact that we need tragedy to learn is hard, but tragedy is the greatest lesson unless repeated then it’s incompetence.
How well you explained, dear friend. It can really be a good replacement for this project for Miami
1:00 looks like Gaza in the thumbnail. It's sad and tragic for one building with that many deaths, it's devastating that the USA President not only goes and support destruction of civilian buildings with people in them, they also send billions of dollars every year.
This tragedy doesn’t get enough attention.
Oh come on, people are way to soft, this is a one in god knows how many disasters like this in the world, what if Turkey couldn't rebuild every building because of the earthquake and had to turn the city in a giant memorial... 🤷
kind of a waste to build a memorial
Kind of dumb to build a building over a place with that many lost souls. HAUNTED
Had to be luxury, never a truly affordable housing project.
I know the collapse and subsequent loss of life was quite tragic but, we as a society must move on from these tragedies as a crucial part of the grieving process. It’s why the real estate at Ground Zero, although after a nearly decade and a half having passed, was replaced with ONE World Trade, as well as the 9/11 memorial and museum were built. The reason something like that has a memorial and something like this won’t. Is because 9/11 was a nation tragedy and although there is no denying that this was a tragedy, it doesn’t justify the same level of memorializing and although it would have been nice for them to be planning to build more affordable housing, there is such a high demand for housing that, rebuilding is really the only financially justifiable action. I know it’s sad but, it’s the truth.
There should be a memorial but absolutely they should rebuild. Symbolic of recovery from tragedy. One WTC prime example of respecting the lost.
Yes… but also don’t forget that they did not rebuild on top of the twin towers lots…
People should have gone to jail for life for that completely preventable collapse 😡
The channel Brick Immortar has done an excellent in-depth series about this.
What are those sparkling lights in your video?
The thing is that many people that will buy these condos either from the US or outside is that they will not realize it is in the very place the other building collapsed
or even care
the owners killed themselves by neglecting maintenance.
We don't need an "official report" when we already know the cause. A week after the collapse it was pointed out by various engineers that all of the structures load bearing columns on the collapsed side were built too small. The other side that didn't collapse, had the proper load bearing columns that prevented that side of the building from pancaking.
Why build a memorial on site? That would be such a waste
that building was an eyesore I can imagine it had many enemies, and the owners had no wish for remodeling it so accidents can happen
Living on top of a grave site? No thanks. RIP to the poor victims
All condos in FL are now going to have to maintain large reserves of money so that they can fix issues as they arise to help prevent this. Association fees for many people are now increasing drastically as they are now reflecting the true cost of maintaining a large building.
Oceanfront condos should not exceed 3 stories
@@ohhgodineedmoore2845Well, if that rule existed, housing shortages would skyrocket... Also, people build up because it requires less land which is more environmentally friendly. That doesn't make sense at all.
@@mikemancini313 that could be solved by the government forcibly divesting the corporations that snatch up housing to scalp of said housing, but of course that would be "SoCiALiSt" so the government won't actually do that.
In the end the video doesn't say much about the new project
Pretty lacking video, wish they'd go more into details for the new structure and why on 54 apartments, and 12 stories and challenges building on the coast.
I hope that your numbers don't suffer, but these new CZcams rules have me watching fewer videos, and not bothering to comment or give thumbs up very often even when I do. In the end it's you creators who suffer while CZcams tries to use you for every last penny of profit that they can get. Best of luck! 😎
Misleading title. Mostly about the collapse
I know in some places they have to electricaly charge the ironwork in building to offset the damage that corrosive water and air do to them. I hope they are looking at every building that is near the water.
40 years is too far apart, maybe should be every 15.
15 is too far apart. Do you know everything that can happen in 15 years? 40 years is just stupidly dumb levels of too long.
Why are we not checking buildings and having to recertify them like ANNUALLY? I would say 5 years is like the longest you should ever go without having to check a major building is safe to live in.
@@AWSVids You have to balance the cost of inspections. Who picks up teh tab for teh engineers? Taxpayers? Condo owners? It would be a circle jerk of "not Me's".
Could that possibly be uglier?
can you do video on shipyard and candle stick san francisco
Nice!
perhaps do a less-incompetent build for the replacement. perhaps also do some maintenance this time.
wow that place looked like hell before it fell
Frustrating that it wouldn't have more Residents than before and offer the same prices for lower levels as the previous buildings to offset the rise in living costs and gain theirs profits for the higher floors. Displaying on a first floor an engineering display of how the building is made to not repeat the tragedy, as well as have an area for families to come visit the sites even if it's a floor halfway up the structure with open air and place to leave flowers or whatever.
Agree if it's anything like here (Australia) it should have more residences with mixed cost and a memorial space garden incorporated.
Come on, we all know the cause…
Its unfortunate the land swap idea wasn't pursued more seriously. To "sell" the land of the community center a little distance north of this site then build a new community and memorial on the champlain towers site.
tax payers didnt want to pay for that i suppose
@@williamhaynes7089 it didn't even get that far. And replacing the community center will still have to be done at some point since it's old.
Inspection Every 40 years? It needs to change to 20 years.
Is it public property? Or private?
Hang on. $120 million for some land, to build 57 apartments on?
Is the market so strong there as to command ~$5 million per apartment?
I think the park across the road may become a memorial
Ummm, what was the controversial plan, again?
Building high rises on a sandbar. What could possibly go wrong?
built properly nothing, maintained improperly lots of issues as you saw.
It appears they leveled everything but kept the pool. I wonder why 🤔
We can't have a memorial in spots every time a tragedy happens. Imagine memorials just every other door instead of buildings, because that is what would happen.
the victims and familes sold property to get money to move on with life... if they wanted to do a amemerial they would have done so instead.
Purely on the making of the video: why do you use an old TV set for something that happened two years ago?
it might be problematic if we are to build luxury apartments on places of great tragedy. it kinda sets the message that these losses will only benefit those with higher income as the units they replaced were probably far cheaper. and I get that real estate is valuable. but that might lead to the eventual demolition of other similar more affordable units because they are unsafe, only to be replaced by more high-end luxury apartments, Instead of fixing the structures. leading to more gentrification. I do realize that the units in the building were not probably the cheapest units, to begin with, but it seems the new building will have fewer units and they will be bigger, driving up the cost
Bingo. Finally someone with real thinking.
As long as there are other apartments for sale where people can go, it wouldn't be much of a short term issue. Also, people who live in homes and apartments next to the beach get juicy offers for their property, they don't leave just like that...
you do realize that you are describing gentrification perfectly? @@Zelielz1
This 💯💯💯💯
Nevermind that the twin towers were not rebuilt on their lots and that their lots were turned into a memorial. It blows my mind that anyone would WANT to build a new luxury building RIGHT on top of people who lost their lives????
Did anybody face prison time for that? Im sure a lot of the civil engineers are dead but somebody needs to pay for that egregious loss of life. People died in the most horrible way.
Many of the owners died in colapse... the same people that voted 'NO" to repairs that could have prevented this were the residents.. Its sad that saving a few bucks in short term turned out to be deadly.
Looks like they had a design in Advance 🤔🤔, strange
Are they trying to recreate the event?
I feel since all were found theres no need to stop any rebuild but with that being said they should build a memorial in honor of those lost! RIP to all whom lost their lives. 🙏 🤲
problem is the victims and family own the land, they would rather have the money to settle affairs than to pour more of their money into building a memorial... at best they could have donated the land (giving up 200 million in compensation) to the city for a park... but in the end a memorial cost most to build and maintain.
Im so happy to see it being fixed with something modern and hopefully stable in the future
I look at the quality of the concrete every time I'm in an apartment building carpark now.
Calling this an "unspeakable" tragedy seems strange to me. You're speaking about it, and it's a good thing too. We should speak about preventable tragedies like this one so that we can work on preventing them in the future. There should be nothing controversial about building our structures to last and be safe doing so.
Are you kidding me seriously. You are exactly what’s wrong with this planet.
Your brain is fried bro.
How much is each one of those condos being sold for? Like given the $120million just for the land, they surely couldn't sell for less than an average of $3million a condo!?
and $5000 a month is association fees
Scary, just to the side of these towers is 2 more that look identical, I would be looking into those as well
Different management, they must have been doing a better job on maitience as BOTh are still there today and no real news
Another luxury apartment building.... We've had enough of these.
Yet another building no one will care about
The families took the developers money. So just build the new building.
One hot summer a tornado visited Sioux City where I was living, took away the boy scout camp and some boy scouts. I was proud to see it rebuilt right away but just like planes falling out of the sky we don't talk about it.
5 years before I got there the tallest building was built, a silo, dude took me up there and asked me my advice on how to clean it. I told him when no one was looking. Ironic, for new grain feed s*.❤️ed their new forklift
Seems like a hard way to make money? $120M for the land, and then build only 12 storeys of premium apartments on a likely "haunted" site. How much profit can one reasonably expect to make?