How Close is TOO Close?
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2020
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Can you do a video about benefits of using 2 or more graphics cards or if there are downsides?
@adam rule So don't watch it
@adam rule They made it very clear that it was a sponsored video. If that rots your crotch, don't watch it. But I enjoyed their survey of folks preferred viewing distances. It was informative, not a shill.
@lopezaldo80 Set up your cooler so the pump is the lowest point on the system. It's normal to have a few small bubbles in an AIO and doing this will keep the bubbles away from the pump and they shouldn't hurt anything if they are in the radiator.
Hey Linus , can you review the Raspbian x Nighthawk edition cause it's a Linux based os And it's a cool replica of Windows 10 made for Raspberry pi4 And you can download it from archive.org or some open sources
"Taran intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion" got me good
Pelle did him dirty
How many degrees was that it didn't say
I agree with Taran on so many things
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6:21
2:22
"eyeball not to scale"
YA DONT SAY
I was gonna say the exact same thing 🤣
Cracked me up good
Lmao, didnt even notice that haha
this was for the American viewer
i was going to make same post
Other LMG Employees: **this feels about right**
Taran: NUMBERS!
Light machine gun Employees?
Nemidoonam 69 Linus Media Group (though I like your interpretation)
Qazzie 05 lmao sorry man
4:09 My apologies to Sarah Butt for what I'm sure was a miserable middle school experience.
Doubtless, she was always the butt of the joke.
I would changed my name
Sam she must've been pushed to the back a lot :(
"Experience" sorry
I know what that is like. My last name is pronounced "gaymen"... At one point in Band class I almost shafted one kid with my trombone it got so bad.
People at the theater: "I can't wait to see the movie!"
Taran: * punching the air *
Taran is a proper nerd, respect. :)
why does this say read more
He is just amazing.
It's weird how most of us living on Earth will never meet or even acknowledge each other's existence. For example, if you're reading my comment; this is probably the first and last time you'll ever see me.
He should put the power glove on before doing that.
Neighbor: "Why are you sitting in my house?"
Me: "Just watching my sweet new 86" TV"
Saw that someone replied, it was a bot. So I thought I'd make a comment instead.
LTT says to get Vizio instead though. They said it’s better than LG Oled colors too
I see that you are using the NTSC recommendations.
What a small house that is tho.
6:13 Tarans intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion
Taran: Well normally I bring my protractor but the fist measurement is a good estimate in a pinch.
It's weird how most of us living on Earth will never meet or even acknowledge each other's existence. For example, if you're reading my comment; this is probably the first and last time you'll ever see me.
@@xXGeth270Xx i cant change my name before 90 days. till than stay home stay safe
You know he has calibrated his fists.
@@gametests I don't see you
LTT: "Are you sitting to close?"
My mom: *YES.*
If they didnt have those dang phones!
You'll go blind.
Everybody's mom, regardless of age...
r/beatmetoit
also mom: watches youtube on full brightness at night with screen 2 cm away from her..
Taran's GF: so where are we going to sit in theater?
Taran: "massaging his fist"
Every video by LTT is a bit unique and this is what I come here everyday for. Taking the very practical question of how close is too close to the display is something at least I haven't seen before. Nice one!
"i always do this when im at a theater" i expect nothing less from taran
I wonder if he leaves the cinema if gets a shit spot.
Get there early enough and you have no problems.
@@wobblysauce there is no specific seats you pay for in the us?
@@jelmero3090 And again... if you get there early enough and you have no problems.
Let's be honest. When was the last time any of us was at a theater?
If you can't see spots after turning off the TV, you're not close enough!
You aint gaming right til your eyes start burning
@@darkeagle7674 stfu
@@topup246 stfu
You were first
DMoney Industry, agreed, you need to experience the individual pixels to appreciate the movie.
David sitting inches from the screen: “This is perfect”
My favorite movie critic understands
The results were very good and indicative of what most people would find comfortable.
30deg is great for tv shows, mixed content, and general living room viewing
40deg is great for movies, especially if its a wide screen presentation
And personally, i can easily do 50deg (taran level) for gaming. I would consider 40 deg the absolute minimum for solo/non-couch gaming
"Taran's intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion" lmao almost missed that
Haha, I saw that to. My only thought, was "yes, that sounds like what I need"
I laughed so hard! Taran is such a Sheldon Cooper, and you know what? I love him for it. #nohomo
Sometimes I see parts of my self in him. Maybe because I am a pedantic nerd...
yeah I had to turn off captions to read that part, but I'm glad I noticed and did
6:31
Taran Intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion😂
The universially known, and well proven TISOOI. Nobody is allowed to sit anywhere else.
😁👍
In my experience it's a pretty good standard, close to my 48,1° to 56,4° horizontal FOV
@@qwertzuiku3t87hv86f8 I'm personally sitting about 3' away from a 40" for most desktop use. 7.6' on 86" seems fine for movies, but already too much for gaming to me. Then again, I play mostly RPGs and Strategy, not so much "click fast to murder anybody you can see" games.
I've installed some TVs of this size when I worked at an AV company and usually it was just put about 10-15 feet away depending on the size of the room. Usually we put TVs this size in either living rooms or master bedrooms.
Fun fact: that 5 feet line for the screen door effect is also where you would start noticing a relevant difference between 8K and 4K video. At any of the actual distances they were talking about 8K is indistinguishable from 4K... except when you look inside your wallet.
the perception of that is why HDR and other technologies are advertised so much. However it also isn't 100% accurate, there's a pixelworks whitepaper which said people have *at least* 50% greater visual acuity for images in motion compared to static vision tests. Interestingly this means that greater perceived image quality can be achieved with either higher resolutions or higher refresh rates. To achieve lifelike presence in VR requires both, so I hope screen tech continues to improve despite the persistent naysayers.
Nicole: *shows up for a job interview at LMG*
Linus: *looks at her shoes*
Linus: "You are hired!"
Also, if your Last name is "Butt " you're hire too. 4:09 😄
@@WhyteLis21 I can only imagine the number of butt jokes she must get from everyone
@@WhyteLis21 Sarah coming up from behind
@@ETtheOG 😄 👍
@@sopcannon 😄 👍
Me: "I have a 65" screen."
Them: "That's not too extreme..."
Me: "On my desk."
i am jelly schubidubap
man, you must have a really long desk
A mate of mine has done that. It's bloody brilliant!
There Are Dozens Of Us.
Ill never understand it. 144 hz is literally so good, once you try it, you will never go back. Even my shitty TN panel...once I got it, damn.
Cool video! I have a 75 inch TV and am sitting 8 feet 7 inches away from it and am quite happy with it under all circumstances. I think this puts my field of view at 35 degrees.
75" here and pretty same here, just did the fisting test, so about 40 degrees.
THANK YOU for putting the distances in metric system as well!!!!
Video Idea: Taran takes a 23andMe test to see if he's actually human.
Yes perfect he is suspect need this as proof he didn't arrive on earth through the portal
Spent a few hours with him at LTX19. I'm not 100% sure.
Turing testing Taran
If there's an intriguing video idea involving displays or just old common tech questions with an interesting twist (because the bleeding edge tech justifies another look at them), then James is almost guaranteed to be the writer. He also always makes great use of the big team LMG have at their disposal now.
I feel like James is a little underrated. He's a great guy and as a writer he is the most balanced I think. He is informative and detail oriented where necessary, puts all of that in to an interesting "story" (what Linus call it) and keeps it entertaining as a charismatic host (Linus and him also have great chemistry). Linus, if you read this, give that man a raise!
This. James, Alex and Anthony are the holy trinity of LTT.
Deffo my favourite lmg on-screen personality
James and Riley have better chemistry for me
James is the new Luke
Nice try James
I love how they have to include "Eyeball not to scale" in that graphic as if someone would get fooled otherwise
I feel like this is a good example of how you do a sponsor video. Well done guys
"Taran intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion" I think we know who edited this one lmao
Pelle Gustavs. It's at the end of the video
@@8lec_R and Nicole Yuen
@@ethanmcdonagh6945 thankyou 😅
My thought exactly but it wasn't him this time around.
@@8lec_R let me dream dammit!
Taran was calculating the minimum distance from the screen at which he could fit all his keyboards
thank you taran for that helpful bit of knowledge of the "fist test"
You guys just helped me decide that the 90 series is the right one for me. I’m gonna get the 55 inch for my small apartment though lol. Upgrading from a 43 inch. Maybe in a couple years I’ll go above 65
2:18
right corner: *eyeball not to scale
me: Yeah, I hope so
"Achievement Unlocked!
Master Segue"
OK that really made me laugh hard 😂🤣
And that's a very rare Achievement!
RN Bat time stamp?
@@HamuelPter 5:08
This is actually a really good informative video. Thanks a lot :)
Haha, Taran's intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion. God I love Taran, funnily enough my numbers would probably be pretty close to him. I have a bad tendency to sit too close to the TV. If we are watching a movie, I either have to sit on the spot on the couch closest to the tv or I have to grab a lose chair to sit closer.
5:40 - 'I always do this when I go to a theatre...'
Of course he does. Only Taran would be that anal about viewing angles at a bloody movie theatre. XD
Haha anal
@@maxzett "I always do the fist test"
first row or nothing
@@tsartomato One of the popular chains of movie theatres here the UK where I live (ODEON) have recently decked out most of their venues with recliner sofa's, and I can comfortably sit in the second row whilst reclining back and be totally comfortable with the viewing distance. About 30 feet from the screen. It's amazing. Ha ha.
@@_IHateHandles_
mine got new terrible seats we stopped going there
also we bought 65 into my flat since it was the cheapest size. if we were rich that would be 120"+
My mom: "Your couch is way too close to the TV, there's no way this is the recommended distance!"
Me: "Believe it or not, it's the normal distance recommended by TISOI standards."
Please do this IRL.
who care.. it all about lighting and how your DNA..
@@campkira no genes has nothing to do with that it's about prefrance, and that isn't related to genes
I think videos like this should be seen more. The information presented is very interesting and I hate seeing it with so much less views in comparison to other LTT videos.
this comment should be seen more. the fart juices
5:37 Taran is allways such a nerd, I love him xD
4:10 Is her last name really "Butt"?
That's... pretty cool actually.
I wouldn't want that as a last name
Lol
Imagine having "Dick" as a first name on top of that...
I can only imagine the bulling in the school
Back in the day when I delivered mail. I had someone in my area whose name, translated to English, was steals shit.(as in poo)
Like as a parent why would you do that 🤣
Taran might actually be the smartest odd person on the planet
How that actually works? Fist has to fit inside the frame when you turn it up and down? Right?
I really see no point in buying large tv then and then sitting far away 'cause someone said it need to be 30% of my field of view. I am sitting 40cm from my 42 inch tv and immersion in games is fantastic. There is no point in buying large tv and moving yourself far from it. If you want to perceive 80inch as 32 because of distance then buy 32inch in the first place.
@@zbyszk1234 the point of buying a larger TV is to fill a larger living room. You can have your preference on how much of your field of view you want filled with TV and then you look at your living room size and you get a tv
@@manaspradhan8041 I live in a village and everyone in my family have a small (2,5m by 3,8m )room. I have my bed , desk and tv there. Still what I mean was that tv should taking quite a lot of your field of view cause otherwise you fell like you are watching YT on your smartphone (really expensive one) and I don't think you would like to watch your phone from 5 meters.
@@zbyszk1234 yes it should take a lot of your field of view but you don't shove your face into the screen either do you? I think you don't realise how big an 86 inch TV is. That thing is probably huge. They did talk about why you don't want to sit too close in the video itself.
Imagine seeing Taran waving his hands in the air at the pictures.
Should have come here sooner, but there are some misinformation about SMPTE:
- their recommendation for viewing distance only considers image height, that being 3x with +-1x of acceptance;
- the 30° value that everyone mistakenly talk about is regarding maximum seating offset from center, as in +-15° from the middle.
Using that calculation, you can see that THX is actually following that rule if you consider a 2.39:1 movie.
Furthermore, NTSC, PAL, HDTV (720p and 1080p) and UHDTV 1 and 2 (being 4K and 8K respectively) all follow the rule of minimum distance to not see individual pixels, and if you think NTSC was funny, you should see where UHDTV falls in (spoiler alert, it’s 1.6x for 4K, as seen in this video, 0.8x for 8K).
Edit: Taran, surprisingly, is still within the SMPTE standard. For knowledge, 1.85:1 movies accepts maximum of 50 degrees, and 62 degrees for 2.39:1
TISOOI is surprisingly still acceptable?, what a shocker.
@@zidniafifamani2378 always have been
"Are you sitting TOO close?"
Looking at a LG CX 48" sitting on the desk...nope!
@Gus Cox wait is over in 4days + logistics or so ;)
@@superpsychedelics5451 I'm reporting your comment everywhere.
Go make good content if you want people to watch. Spamming here will not work.
Gus Cox that’s just how it is I guess with oleds
@Gus Cox nope, but I think I know what you mean...Ill post a reply if I figure it out, haven´t troubleshooted it yet
@@victorrosberg1919 I think it startet after the first firmware update...its a bit annoying when surfing the web.... Its dimming when no cursormovement is present...after moving the mouse its going back to "normal" brightness. (OLED light is set to 50)
I find that viewing distance with bigger TVs changes drastically depending on what you're doing. For TV watching I can sit about 9 feet away from my 55" and be perfectly fine. But with gaming I have to get up to 5-6 feet so I can read text properly.
I have a 43" 4K and I sit about 5-7Ft away and always found the text to be a bit on the hard to read side, but felt that I was still sitting pretty close to my TV. Just upgraded to a 55" and now it feels so much more appropriate for my sitting distance! It's all about size and distance as a ratio.
I'm a little less than nine feet from a 120" screen and that seems perfect. Not overwhelming at all. I had a 82" screen before that for nine years so I was used to a big screen but that was still a lot smaller and didn't take long to seem small.
You need to buy a projector😅
@@vishvrajzala8017 I have one. That's how I have a 120" screen.
Really interesting that only one person went close enough that you'd start to be able to discern the pixels on a 1080p screen... Even then, they were just barely closer than that point.
Kids: I'm in for Taran intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion
6:37 Taran, editing the video: everyone but me is wrong.
I really see no point in buying large tv then and then sitting far away 'cause someone said it need to be 30% of my field of view. I am sitting 40cm from my 42 inch tv and immersion in games is fantastic. There is no point in buying large tv and moving yourself far from it. If you want to perceive 80inch as 32 because of distance then buy 32inch in the first place.
I had my 45 inch TV on my desk for a short while once, so I guess I fall into the "Taran intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion", and honestly I am ok with that.
I always like to scoot the couch up close to the TV especially for games.
I'm definitely with the second group.
I snagged a 73" Mitsubishi WS73907 back in 2002 after my first home theater TV, a 32" Sony Trinitron XBR KV-32XBR, finally gave up the ghost.
I was the first person among family and friends with a true "big screen" and I loved it fairly close (10-11 feet, limited by living room) while everyone else thought that was too close...at first.
FFWD to today where pretty much everyone has a MINIMUM screen size of 50+ inches and I feel like even 65's and 70's look like postage stamps at typical "living room distance"...and a LOT of people are agreeing with me.
Kinda weird to be old enough to remember when 25" TVs were considered "big". No wonder I used to sit so close as a kid.
Linus do a Microsoft flight simulator build
yes
Love the idea - would like to see a few builds since it's such a resource hog - $1k, $2k, $3k?
He needs to wait a few more days until the 3090 and 3080 come out, or maybe even wait for the ti or super to come out
@@topup246 Troll
@@ussj4brolli Along with Vijit verma. Just Report all their BS Posts.
Linus flexing his staff size is purely awesome. Keep on growing LTT you deserve it!
More of this please.
I use a 40" 4k TV as monitor. That pixel density makes it perfect for a monitor because you can sit at 2.5 feet and see no individual pixel. Only drawback is 60hz but for anything else apart from FPS games, it's perfect. And cheap.
6:30 "Taran intergalactic standard of overwhelming immersion." lol
Where can I learn more about the "Taran Intergalactic Standard of Overwhelming Inmersion" ?
You should do a wiki page
The TISoOI, seems fair enough
Thanks for the video, really helped
A video on the science of why we want to be closer for gaming would be cool. When I was a kid I could never get comfortable on the couch playing games but it was fine for watching TV
yeah
I'm so glad you guys brought up the SMPTE thing. You guys have sorta touched on this topic before, and as a broadcast engineer I've always wanted to mention that the goal is for the viewer to be immersed by filling their FoV.
Thank you LMG for making sponsored content that doesn't feel like an ad and that is really engrossing and interesting
So, AVS, and front projectors ask this question about once every couple of years. The most common size is about 10” to 12” of diagonal for each foot of viewing distance. These are all about the BIG screen experience, but with immersion and image quality being the whole point for many, these numbers hold solid.
TV viewing is very different than home theater. It is much more social, so further viewing distances allow interaction with others. When you eliminate the room, as you try to do in a home theater, you find people enjoy much larger sizes. Also, much dimmer displays, like OLED and front projection.
You should try this again in a large home theater space with a good (JVC) front projector.
We sit about 16 feet from a 161 inch diagonal.
Immersion!
Great video! But one comment: when doing the test, it's better to remove all taps on the floor in order to reduce the anchoring effect.
Taps?
the fist thing is actually super interesting, I've never heard that
Holy shit haven’t seen Taran in forever
1. You left the light on.
2. You didn't play his/her favorite movie.
"*eyeball not to scale"
Yeah thanks Linus, I wasn't so sure
*Taps forehead*
Can't sit far enough when you don't have the room or desk space to move around
This boi has notificaions on
hi
@@T1G_ap for every single youtube channel
He's real.
Woah I haven’t see you in a long time, where have you been justin?
LG sponsored this video:
Not enough local dimming zones and peak brightness not as good as the Vizio. It's hard to call an 86" tv value....
That's LTT for ya
To be fair $2800 ain't bad at all for that big chungus.
LTT says LG is worse than Vizio. Don’t buy LG according to LTT.
Janice: I'm the type of person who sits at the very back of the movie theater...
Giggity! Alright Janice!
5:26 LMAO!! Taran getting out the mental protractor.
I’ve never seen such a big ad for a TV
Love videos like this where we get various LMG staff opinions. Gives viewers a better idea of what we can expect. Plus it's always great to see the team!
I did the thing holding my hand out to estimate fov, my home setup is ~30° and is just about right for me. Out of curiosity I also compared that to how close I hold my phone when I'm watching videos, and it takes up almost exactly the same footprint as my tv. Interesting.
hi can i ask question?
i have a problem here in my computer
about automatic encryption.
because everytime i make a new folder or download files to my computer it automatically encrypting it even my EFS is off and my bitlocker is off also.
The human eye can only see 1080p from less than 5 feet away
justin have you been commenting lately? i haven’t seen you for ages
Whos feet? :-D Retarded „units“ much?
@@irwainnornossa4605 nice bait. Didnt work tho
It's been a while Justin, how are ya?
This is objectively false
Any one else thought that this was a tech quickie video by the thumbnail
Very helpful as I try to choose a TV size for my den. I am surprised at how close people are sitting (i.e. large viewing angle). My current viewing angles are 25deg in the den and 40deg in bedroom, and I definitely see content better in the bedroom. I plan to go with 35deg for new den TV. Thanks for the help!
James always has the most entertaining videos to watch.
Ah yes! The Taran Intergalactic Standard. I always abide by it.
I've always thought Taran was simular to Sheldon Cooper. This just confirms my suspicion.
Of course tarran measures his field of you when he goes to the theater 😂. God I love him.
Petition for Linus to have a dark mode intro
Is that your cat?
They do, they just dont use it often
I wonder how different it would be for other people, older or non tech-savvy people who don't give a hoot about the specs or tech and just want to watch. Like of course if you're into the tech you're going to be looking for the different features and shortcomings but someone who doesn't can just take it in a different perspective. It would actually be cool to see not only seating distance preference but also a comparison between a handful of TVs from the uber budget to maximum awesome and see which ones the non-tech initiated prefer.
My biggest thing is lights on or off because immersion changes. no distraction on the sides changes distances
"I always do the fist test." Mad lad.
Excellent review! We just purchased a 65” LG G3.
Why is LG sponsoring this channel so many videos these days🤔🤔😂😂😂 linus is making a big buck there🤩🤩🤩
Because people are not buying NanoCell TVs (looks like people are buying Samsung QLEDs instead - in fact, whenever I'm buying my next TV, it will be either a QLED or an OLED).
Compared to their testing setup, I like being higher up relative to the screen, so my eyes are about 2/3 of the way up the display. It feels much easier to look down on the screen than up.
Fun fact: At the THX ideal distance, the TV perfectly matches the visual acuity of your eyes at 8K. In other words, you don't need Anti-Aliasing!
That's not true. For 20/20 vision it's about 1350p resolution (~2.4K), even for the best 1% with 40/20 vision it's less than 5K. So you should never see pixels at 8k - but even at 100K or something you would want antialiasing. It's not a substitute for resolution.
@@speedstyle.
That is assuming that humans cannot see any details that are smaller than one arc minute when it is closer to a third of an arc minute due to micro movements the eyes perform when looking at an object for extended periods of time
Aliasing artefacts actually become too small to be seen at 8k
@@Katzelle3 Aliasing is where pixels don't match what they would show with infinite resolution. If you have a 100K screen with 200 001 vertical black and white lines, the left half will round to black and the right half will round to white. This is possible to create at any resolution, so you always want antialiasing.
If you're saying we gain resolution on objects over time that sounds pretty cool, I'll look into it! However I don't think it's aliasing, and it wouldn't let you see individual pixels. I think it's also baked into the standard eg Snellen measurements of visual acuity? Anyone getting better than 40/20 (20/10?) vision must be using that kind of temporal processing, as the density of cones on the retina is only about 0.5 arcminutes.
I use a 43" Sony 4k tv (XBR43X88E) as my primary display for both my work and gaming pc. My face is usually 1.5-2.5 ft away from the display at any given time. Been using the setup for a few years now (started with a 55" but it was too big) and its worked very well for me. Playing Modern Warfare @ 4k w/ R7 1800X and GTX 1080FE, I get anywhere from 50-65 fps (tv is only 60 hz) and is so immersive, due to the screen taking up my primary FOV.
Would have loved to see also in this video the distance in which users can tell the difference between 4k and 1080p on this set :) Also side note...I sit about 12-13 feet away from a 110" screen lol but gaming is amazing at that size / distance
It would not fit in an advertisement for a 4k tv😅
I'm definitely in Tarans group. I have my projector at 120" and sit 9ft away. I think it really does come down to what you're used to and the the level of immersion you are looking for. My wife and 3 kids are all fine with that distance too and 90% of what we watch on the projector is movies.
Same. My projector screen ~105 but angle the same. Great movie experience.
Same here 120" slightly under 9.'
Yeah, that's 51 degrees. I just read that 80 degrees is the max for the human eye, which I never knew -- given how 120-160 is a real talking point (I guess, that's just marketing, or people really love to turn their necks a lot). The general 'max' is seen as 70 degrees, but 60 degrees more generally. The 'sweet spot' for closeness is 45-50 degrees.
Fun fact: at 1080p/32", watching 1080p Blu-ray, my max is 63 degrees, which is 1.5 x 15.5 (screen height; just under 2'). This is where I can see the image without seeing pixels. Any close than this and I can see pixels a little. This is the hard limit. But, 50-63 degrees is too close for me. I like anywhere from 42 to 26 degrees (3-5'), depending on a few factors. Blu-ray also looks good at 3.5 feet away (36-degree viewing angle). 4' is really the limit in terms of quality and close viewing angle, though. Anywhere from 3.5-4.5' is perfect for most films and most people. At 5', the picture quality is slightly better in many cases, but the viewing angle is 26 degrees (the hard limit for the back of any cinema). 4.5' is about 30 degrees, which is very common, too.
Damn lol
I was just trying to figure out that when buying a new tv. Thanks Linus
It would be nice in videos like these to have meter conversions too
0:33 when you notice, you're not the small CZcamsr anymore, that you used to be
When you remember why you upgraded from a house to an office building.
65" LG OLED set here and I have different distances for what I'm doing.
World of Warships, I'm about 3.5 feet from the screen with surround sound and it's AWESOME! Wish the game didn't tick me off so bad tho.
First person shooters, about 6 to 7 feet away comfortably.
Movies, 8.5 feet.
Just depends on what's being viewed.
I have my couch, loveseat, and recliner at different distances from our 77C1 OLED from 8 -17 feet. It really depends on content and how much special effects are part of the viewing experience. Plus, I can still see the content and don't need to wear my glasses at 17 feet away (hard to see/wear my glasses when horizontal on couch).
I have an 86" LG 955T the last of the 3D TVs that also has HDR, 4K, Dolby Vision, etc as well.
My seating position is bang on what everyone else is doing.