Practicality or Fashionality? Head type pros & Cons [The Bottle Ep48]
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As an owner of a resin head with resin eyes I agree with most of what is said. The head does heat up a fair bit and I tend to open the mouth to get some airflow when I can. The advantage of the resin base means that vision isn't that bad with the resin eyes however, because the tear ducts are very close to my eyes so I actually have some of the best vision I've seen with fursuit heads. No issue with a large muzzle blocking half my sight either.
That said, this style works really well for realistic suits more then other designs.
as a previous resin base suiter i will never go back to resin unless it display i couldnt see anything i did the fursuit parade almost blind and that was bad cause i ended upwolking almost into the rail cause i didnt have a handler but my advice is if you wanna resin base PLEASE GET A HANDLER IF NEW TO IT dont do what i did
i am also the new owner of the kaylakritterz suit
Dalfox Fennec my eyes are so small and fur keeps getting in my mouth and where I can see even if I brush it
Gaming Furry perhaps more an issue with the maker? I mean that varies a lot I guess. My head is done by voodoo delicious. They're great at realistic heads but not skilled at the body parts.
Dalfox Fennec I actually bought mine off a website called vat19.com for 60$
Who else sees Pocari as like a big sister in the Furry community đ
Me kinda
Yasss
somewhat artistic She's the fandom's cool gay aunt.
me
Me
9:57
Pocari: "So you can't see, you can breathe, but at least you look really cute while you're dying"
Me: "That's all I've ever wanted in life"
Lol
There's a bunch of art in the background, but the most amazing piece of art is right in the middle. :D
Yea poocari move over so I can see the amazing pieces of art
Thatâs cute dude :)
Yay Iâm so early-
NOPE JK ITS FROM 9 MONTHS AGO XD
I just checked to see which art piece was in the middle. And then I realised what you meant. That was nice.
Reese Elf THEY WERE CALLING âPOOâCARI A MASTERPIECE!
I actually would love a kemono suit since it looks perfect for my fursona. Though they would cost alot of money, barely little ventilation, fogging of the eyes and maybe hard to walk in since some have thick legs but it would be worth it to have
Leo Kitsune some kemono makers like kemono-cube have made anti-fogging eyes. Plus more kemono makers are making moving jaws on foam bases so ventilation is better.
I cant do them because I live in florida so its always humid here.
That's why I let my commissioners know they _don't_ need to have covered eyes and can request fan(s) if they want. I build with foam and put vents in my heads
What is your fursona? I'm curious!
You might even say its purfect
13:42 (Con: Scares kids)
It is more of a pro if you don't want kids hugging you.
Haha true!
True
Also I can imagine you getting fewer weird looks when fursuiting during Halloween if your costume is a bit 'werewolfy' :)
You inspired me to make my very first fursuit! She's a foam bucket head style! I'll be going to my first furry con at anthro northwest, and it'll be my birthday the Saturday of the con! I'm hype!
karasu hoozuki Iâm going to ANW too! Iâd love to meet you :)
myself too!
What's the name
Hope it was built well!
karasu hoozuki Thatâs the style I used, I now have my own species
What about the suits that the wearer uses their own eyes? Theyâre also relatively new and pretty cool in my opinion, also the vision is better because it is your own eyes lol
They've been around for a long time actually, they're just not very popular cuz a lot of people found them creepy. I'm glad they're becoming a bit more mainstream now! I had to leave them out of this video because it's still a niche, and this vid was getting way too long. I talked about them in my 5 cool furry things vid tho!
Pocari Roo I didnât know theyâve been around for a while, probably didnât know about them because not a lot of people use them but makes sense you didnât put them in the video! Keep up the amazing work love your videos so much! đ
Big Pee itâs whatâs used with chewbaca
I use that, but I have a paper head ;-;
They only really work with realistic, cuz toony needs toony eyes. Also super creepy :/
Ooo heeeeyyyy derrrrrr
zomgggg who let this nerd innn
Heyyyy
SPARKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love you sparkyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.... YOUR JEX SUIT IS SOOOOO AMAZING
Ello
Another con for expanding foam heads is it's really hard to get glue to stay. I'm working on a suit right now with a DVC headbase, and I found that the surface is really smooth, which makes dry hot glue slide off. You have to really scuff up the surface to get anything to stick.
AdrexuJellybean I've never made a fursuit head before, but I've done some other handywork, and to get glue or paint to stay on a smooth surface you'll probably have to go over it with sandpaper first
Could you maybe use sandpaper?
Oh, sorry I thought someone didn't say that already
You're so bubbly and fun and engaging and I love your videos so much! I've learned so much from your channel over time, and your characters are absolutely gorgeous. Keep up the amazing work !!
Yooo!! Congrats on getting enough to go to an American con!! I know how much you've been wanting to go to one so I'm happy you've finally met that dream!
I'm going to MFF as well! It's my first time going to a BIG con and hopefully I'll have my suit by then so I won't be as nervous lmao.
Mff was my first big con as well it was so fun! The best con i went to!! I was still nervous there in suit cuz well everyone is so much taller than me especially in the fursuit games with everyone pushing eachother but i started pushing them to XD IT WAS SO FUN.
FloorIceCream
Wait where is MFF at
It all depends on what are you gonna do in your suit. are you gonna move alot? are you gonna talk most of the time? Also are you more about the price or uniqueness. :)
Absolutely! That's why I lined out as much as I could, so you can judge for yourself what is best for what you wanna do c: everyone is different!
Pocari Roo hey pocari! first of all, how to i find 3d eyes that will fit the resin base im purchasing? or how do i make them?
2nd: my giant yellow peep plush says hi >:3
5:57 hello i see you in the corner there.
furfear ?
@@waspliver7275 bottom left corner
Paws & Claws Creations Leilani oh.
PEEKABOO
I thought I was the only one!
Okay, Iâve figured out my suit/head type!
- Mini partial
- foam carved head
- 2d eyes
- toony
Now if only I was allowed to âbe a furryâ...
Are you allowed now?
Why wouldn't you allowed? It is such a creative hobby?
@@exactlythisisdumb family
I personally like 3d eyes but I like the rest plus I'm thinking of making my own way to make the head and if your parents say no to being a furry I'll support you :)
I'm really happy that you mentioned the 3D printing method! Sadly, I don't have the setup yet to use it, but once I can, I'd really love to try it! And, seeing from one teacher of mine that has a 3D printer, I personally think that, as long as you're not dropping it from another story and you have your settings figured out, it can be much stronger than resin. Especially seeing as you'll go less for quality control and more for strength and amount of triangles. At least that's what I've gotten from what I've heard... But either way, I've actually done a head (though, of course, in foam because it's a good starter) and a few other parts, and I was wondering if anyone wanted to see!
Seems interesting to me because they can be edited and previewed without needing to make a new one, allowing you to get everything just right before you print.
this is maaaaybe the earliest I've been to your video and I just wanna let ya know you're SUPER cool and one of the best suiters in the fandom imo
Heck yes
I'm actually a young fur, claustrophobic, and overheat easily, so if you're like me and have a depressing fear of fursuit heads, read on!
I love the furry fandom and want to cosplay, but due to my weird body, I can't have a head. So I came up with a new idea! A new head! Just use makeup, a wig, and ears! First, paint your face and neck the colors and pattern of your character. Then, buy or make their ears, and buy a wig and a hairnet for the back of your head. Glue the ears to the wig, (or sew) and then put the hairnet on, THEN the wig! Lastly, either paint your neck or get soneyhing to hide it. I'm gonna use a bandana!
Sorry for the random DIY comment :3
"Eyes can make or break a suit."
*Me with my fursona who has no eyes*
we've recently started watching and we just got to say, we love your videos, congrats on being able to make it to America for a con \0/ we also love the suit, and, you inspired us to go looking into getting our own suit, your character is just too adorable, you just earned âa new subscriber ^w^
Wow! These techniques are really amazing! These helped me so much for my future fursuit company, Friendly Fursuits! The reason iâm starting a company is because of you inspiring me! Thank you for being there for me even At the age of 9!
Henlo Pocari! Just wanted to say that you have been a huge inspiration for me in the fandom when it comes to the basics, like handling, scammers, and pretty much anything that is related to furries. (I may or may not have referred to The Bottle as The Furry Wiki by a Blue Kangaroo OwO) Have fun at MFF, and keep up the content!
Also, Iâll probably be busy working on a quadsuit and killing my back, while also knowing to get the ground well.
Canât help but go âawwâ
When you did the expressions
I feel like the cutest fursuit head, in my opinion, would be the foamy one. I just love how soft they look and feel, and I feel like the fact theyre oversized slightly is just.. adorable XD
Thank you, it's very helpful. (Hope you are having a lovely day)
dark_lunar_dragon ....comment made 18 hours ago?
RAVEN probably a patron
Jesus Crist ah makes sense
Yeah, I am a patron, sorry for confusing you
Kimono suiters be like: *dies, CUTELY*
*kemono
Cute and anime: I'm dying but I look amazing
Toony/semi-toony: I look like a lovable cartoon and I can breath
Realistic: kinda creepy, and I can't see but I look cool
Toony seems to be the dominant choice here.
@@lilith3029 yeah
I am an owner of a few suits, one is a resin skull base. His name is shark, and heâs a skull which means heâs not even protected by even a little bit of fur. Shark also inspires little ones to also get a skull, and since they donât know how to deal with resin I see a lot of pictures of them breaking the teeth of their suit. Which upsets me a little bit.
Next is my lavafox, spider. Sheâs way easier to see out of. (Since sharks eyes are completely black and hard to see out of) anyway, spider is a lot more loved by the normies, since she isnât as scary as a skeleton.
And thatâs my two suits, I have one more but they are in the mail right now so I donât know anything about them.
This is a bit random but I feel like I need to say something.
A Very Puzzled Shark I LOVE YOUR VIDEOSSSSSS
Thank you for making this video! I was just about to make a mesh suit head, and I have now strayed away from that path and changed to a foam base. Say hi to Kiba for me!
my fursuit crush noticed me... *engage squealing*
Eyyyyy the thumbnail is the same pic from your instagram ;)
it's actually a little different ;P but same shoot tho hahaha
Just be warned with closed vs open cell foam: closed firmer and open is squishier. However, open cell is excelent for ventilation as air permiates easily but closed cell is literaly the stuff home insulation is made from as it traps gasses in the cells, preventing the primary method of heat transfer through gasses (convection).
Note that expanding foam is closed cell.
Edit: with 3D printing you can have issues with delamination due to small repetitive impacts or thermal cycling ( cold closet -> hot head -> cold closet -> hot head...).
An interesting developement is Ninjaflex filiment (basicly 3D printable rubber); it is very good at absorbing impacts and is very hard to delaminate. The downside is that it is VERY flexible, like colapses under it's own weight flexible; this would make it extremly hard to design a practical head with a purly Ninjaflex base.
A multi-nozzle printer or a 'cut and connect' feeder could combine the benifits of ridgid filliments and Ninjaflex but it would still be a pain to design a practical hybrid base.
Should it be called hybrid base or composite base? :P
10:00
"at least you look cute while you're dying" Lol
xD
i use canvas mesh, but i also got glue foam to it. instead of hot gluing the mesh together i use yarn and overlap it, i basically sew them together. my very first head i made is about 2-3 years old and its been through a lot >> and its still keeping together. i put some foam padding to prevent the canvas from touching. I thought i would clarify that hot gluing the canvas isn't stable and can cause injury but sewing it together makes it stronger. there are also different strengths of mesh. as a maker i thought i should inform you. I make kemono style fursuits
i love your videos XD
Never clicked a video faster XD Hello my favorite blue roo!
I love how expressive you are! I talk with my hands a lot and it's cute that you talk with your paws so much!
Super helpful!! Thanks for the advice, Pocari!! Hope you're having an awesome day!!
Awesome video! Never knew there were so many different head types! The info about the moving jaws, the eyes, and kemono suits was great too. Very informative and well put together overall. It was really well done. Keep up the great work!
Realistic suit con: It scares kids
I mean, thatâs a pro in my opinion.
This was so helpful! I use dino/raptor masks and then I put foam on top so then it's like your head but the mouth moves!
How fortunate that you're making all these Fursuit related videos, Comrade Pocari! I'm currently saving up for a Fursuit from DandyLions, and your Pros and Cons are really helping me focus on what kind of suit I'd like! ^w^
Thank you for posting this! I saw your pic of the multiple heads on Insta and I was waiting for this video!
10:12 I'm watching you wazowski. ALWAYS WATCHING
Finally found a comment that mentions this.
Tbh, I thought I was the one after rewatching Bottle episodes.
I love how far you came, I hope you will get even more attention in the future
You deserve ittt
Oddly enough I'm watching this on my birthday cx so I will go ahead and leave a comment like ya asked! I found you not too long ago and have really loved your content so far. You're adorable and videos like this are really helping me figure out the style of fursuit I want. :3
HOI POCARI! Awsome video and keep up the awsome work your doing!
i was feeling a little down and than i saw that you posted a new video witch brightent up my day! :D
#notificationsquad
10:00
Pocari: "But... at least you look really cute while you're dying!"
My brain: 'Here! Have an image of someone making a cute kawii face while bleeding out.'
My traumatized, and desensitized self: * Laughing so hard my dad comes upstairs wondering what the problem is. *
edgy
Wow! Thank you for the awesome info pocari!
This is such a nice video to watch after I got out of work
I love kemono style, I really want a Kemono suit really badly lmao
This is the reason I decided to learn how to make them lol
Yea, going by this toony would be my choice of suit/head. Thanks for that :3
Though even with the possible issues, I'd still go for a kemono suit. Any of this though would probably never be anytime soon- gotta work on that budgeting thing of course before planning on getting any kind of suit (or high priced expense in general) first.
Iâm working on my first fursona rn and Iâm excited!
You have been such a massive help for me thank you for making these videos and please make more
Awesome vid!!
Your fur suit is so cute!
Thanks for making this, Pocari!
I've got a cosplay head with a working jaw that I made myself - he's my first - but I quickly learnt the ventilation sucks. When it comes time to build my fursona's head, this will be a big help.
Thanks so much, and have fun at Midwest for us who can't afford to go. If you see Zombunny over there, give her a hug and let her know it's from me!
Pocari! I love your videos! Theyâre always so helpful and inspiring for veteran furries or furries new to the fandom and we canât thank you enough!
Also- is it just me or am I just in love with how expressive Pocari is with your hands/paws!!
What about "Use Your Own Eyes" heads? The ones where you just paint your face around your eyes?
also vizors
That sounds kinda creepy doe lol
I am getting pre-made expanding foam headbase and fur it! :D
Thanks so much Pocari! Have a fantastic day/night!
Hi Pocari! This video is super helpful for someone like me who wants to commission a suit, keep up the good work! Thanks!
Hi pocari I love your videos!
I wanted a cheap suit and wanted to make it myself so thanks for the help! I also am young so I want a cheap suit so I can feel the experience but not waste any money.
you forgot neck vision! often used for quad suits they're also common in toony or realistic suits which are tall species such as alpacas or giraffes. A mesh that is similar colour to the fur is used, but Beastcub uses collars to disguise the mesh and it looks awesome
This vid is helpful for me bec Iâm gonna make my head.But I didnât really know what type is best for me,So I went on yt and I saw ur vid and this made things more easier!! Thanks for the examples!! They are very helpful!!!
how are you?
procrastinating from sleeping đ yourself?
same lol
The only head I've made was from a craft foam (a little thicker than regular foamies), and it was close enough to my real head to make a moving jaw. I don't know if it would be durable enough for some things, but I used it for a bird, Tokoyami from My Hero Academia, and it works.
tokoyami? that's awesome!!!
can i just say that the design of your fursona/suit is really pretty!! itâs just very aesthetically pleasing to me :p
For Kemono style heads, some makers put holes behind or in front of the ears for ventilation so the ventilation is better.
I was hoping you would get to the style of heads that use the wearer's eyes when you got to the realistic category, like MagpieBone's heads. I'd still like to know what you think about that style of head.
today i noticed my toothbrush looks like you!
I have the same toothbrush
Extremely helpful video! Thank you Pocari! Now I know exactly which eyes and head I would like to have on my suit (once I get one lol)
10:33
that tiger fursuit looks sooo cute!
"3d eyes, like my eyes no matter where i put my head they're always watching"
*closes all windows and doors hiding under blanket* âą_âą
Pocariiii, have you seen that half mask going around twitter of that real-eyes fox? its p rad
sure have! I talked about use-your-own-eyes suits in my "5 cool furry things" video. I left it out of this one cuz it's a bit of a niche and this video was getting far too long ahah
hows it going your video was very informative. I am a beginner at making my own head and the information you gave helped a lot on designing my character. keep doing what you do you are awesome
I know this was uploaded so long ago buy Iâm making my first fur suit and this was very helpful thank you đ
Hi, Pocari, how're you today?
*10:08** I'M WATCHING YOU WAZOWSKI, AAALWAYS WATCHING...*
AAAA SUPER congrats on being able to come to MFF! It'll be my first time there and I'm so unbelievably hype you're coming!! So happy you reached that goal!
Watching the bottle episodes while finishing up the last touches on my first fursuit head^^ I think your videos kept me alive during the last week XD
WHATS THE DIFFERENCE.
oh wait...
Me and my friend (sheâs really short) we are only in elementary school and weâre furrys and my class found out because I told one of my other friend that me and my short friend are furry and my friend started cringing soooooo hard! I was sad because she was judging me about being a furry but me and my short friend are getting paws and tails and ears for Hallowen and wearing it to school so donât cringe about your friends that are furrys they will get revenge on Hallowen by hanging out with you with their fursuit on!
I'm really enjoying your vids, keep up the good work :)
Even if your not a furry you have to appreciate all the work, thought, and time that goes into making a fursuit.
Thank you SOOOO So much for this info!! It will make looking for a good fursuit a lot easier!
This helped me alot to know what material to make my first fursuit out of! I'm going with 3D printing my base because I'm interested in how it'll be and I have access to like 3 lol
Love your vids!
This really eases my anxiety about making suits for others. I feel like all I ever hear from others is "this is how a suits supposed to be and if it's not exactly like this your a scammer" and it terrifies me. I never know how creative I'm allowed to get. The fact that u say "hey this kinda suit typicallu has this issue and some people still like it anyway and it's kinda expected" makes the world feel so much closer. Thanks
That was helpful i was thinking of making my own fursuit so now i know what the best is for me.
Great video Pocari! đ
I have a 3D printed base from sparkycando. Here in New Zealand she sold a small handful to our small community. It's extremely light and a little brittle. The moving jaw is very effective! There is defiantly a few cons but so far I've really enjoyed working with them.
Iâm a young furry starting out on making my first fur suit head. I didnât know what to choose but this video definitely helped at ton! Iâm going to go with a foam head and toony styles. Thanks for this! :3
How awesome that my first con is where I might be able to meet you!!
Despite the fact that I could probably never get a suit for Cosmo (mainly for design and financial reasons), I really loved this two part series. Your vids are really dope, and I always look forward to them!
Again Pocari, best video you ever did as always. đ
Itâs my birthday!! Iâm a big supporter and furry! Love you content!â€ïžâ€ïžâ€ïž
Another technique is to model the head in 3d software then "unwrap" the polygonal mesh to a flat surface that can be cut out of foam. The edges are then glued back together to re-create the 3D form. The result is really light weight (so great for oversized heads) and not nearly as stuffy as a carved foam head while being able to take on any style you can imagine. It's also soft, and not prone to being brittle like resin and 3d printed materials.
Resin heads can be patched if needed when there's a crack: drill out the ends of the crack to relieve stress, roughen the surface, bring the edges together (more holes and carpet thread seems to work) and cover with epoxy resin.
I'd suggest two other categories: Rarr suits (designed to be, in part at least, to be horrifying) and mask-style heads which are much less built up than regular fursuit heads and tend to be of the use-your-own-eyes style. My Caitian partial uses this technique and is basically a stretchy antron/muppet fleece balaclava with prosthetic style forms for the nose and mouth and latex treated cardboard ears:
www.furaffinity.net/view/14870494/
Super easy to transport and wear!
I just found your channel and I LOVE the wobbly ears!
Hype!! I especially adore how everything varies between makers. I'm currently saving up for a suit from the makers One Eyed Doe or Yohen! :))
I actually mastered the normal carved foam bases lol đ I like it the best
eyyy I'm working on a suit and using foam for it i can't wait I'm so excited