I would've put Eruption over Water Spout. The only relevant Water Spout user is Kyogre, who isn't always legal and doesn't even always run it. By contrast, Torkoal is always legal, always relevant, and always runs Eruption.
i think water spout has had a larger effect on the meta bc of scarf kyogre. back during restricted formats with kyogre, pokemon like ludicolo and palkia were strong simply because they 4x resisted water
Not EVERY mon would prefer glaciate over icy wind, as it just crosses the technician threshold, so those mons would actually be much better off with icy wind. Although maybe glaciate works on wind rider mons? I didn't check, it would be a plus.
@@travisowens8905Fezandipiti and the Persian forms, but Fezandipiti will run Toxic Chain for its spread moves and Alolan Persian will run Fur Coat. Kantonian Persian is irrelevant as a Pokémon but has no special attack so the damage boost hardly matters.
@@cabrondemente1 neither was abilities, if you payed attention the conversation was about technician and icy wind as a better combo over glaciate. the topic was not about the rankings really so your point is mute.
In many other moves he considered possible combos, regardless of distribution. This is just a thought about the move potential in the series. Think maybe skill swap, or balanced hackmons haha
I still can't get my head around Gamefreak doubling down on Darkrai by decreasing the accuracy of Dark Void when Darkrai itself never had been allowed in any official tournament. Smeargle not being able to use that move would've been more than enough to get Smeargle off the scene...
@@MattBudYT"Every move ever"... They didn't specify in the main series games... So, you gotta rank all the moves in main series, all moves in spin-offs (if there are some invented ones), all anime-only moves (I know there are at least a few), but most importantly............... All moves in the TCG, ever since the very first cards were created! 😂😂😂 (I bet there are at least a million moves in the TCG 😂)
if i had to buff the absolute worst move razor wind it would be to remove the charge turn in tailwind or something. even then it’s just worse air cutter.
32:19 "It's the only spread move that's also a draining attack as well" Parabolic Charge is around the corner crying right now :'( Though that falls under the damaging the ally spread moves like you mentioned not including at the start so hopefully it shows up there :P
Yep, I was talking strictly about just damaging foes and not allies or else Parabolic Charge would be in that category. It would show up in a video on moves that target everyone!
56 would actually go crazy if on that one new mon that was part of the toxic trio, the bird one, because of the ability they have to make every move have the chance to poison. Put a multi hit move on it get the guaranteed poison then hit em with this
With of all of the Pokémon move videos I’ve seen, even the ones trying to find obscure moves, this is the first one in a long long time that has included a move I actually don’t know, being Flame Burst. And it wasn’t even on the actually list
You must not have played Gen 5. It was the first decent fire type move available in those games. They started all fire types with Incinerate (30 BP in Gen 5) instead of Ember, and then came Flame Charge at 50 BP. Flame Burst was basically my savior in every Gen 5 playthrough because at 70 BP it wasn't garbage like the others. You can get an early game Victini in BW, and it kept getting its butt kicked for quite a while because the fire type moves in Gen 5 are pathetic. I like those games, but they have some serious issues.
Incinerate is actually pretty clutch, harvest strats are out the door, a thrash or outrage user is taking a big risk without a lum berry, and of the type effectiveness berries are in trouble, it has potential
One thing you haven't considered is how glacial lance is a physical move, and that makes it susceptible to intimidates and burns, personally I consider this to be more relevant than the typechart, making astral barrage best in my opinion
I’ll never forgive Game Freak for what they did to Darkrai. Making Dark Void 50% accurate just ruined it. Oh and for whatever reason, Gen 9 removed Thunderbolt from Darkrai’s learnset too 😭
It's a shame Venom Drench isn't in this generation... I could see a WACKY ass team with a Venom Drench user after Glimmora uses Mortal Spin. Maybe an ally is holding a Mirror Herb to have their stats lowered only to bring in Malamar and use Topsy Turvey. Am I cooking?
I'd put Twister a little bit higher for the sole fact that Togekiss can learn it. Serene Grace bumps it up to 40% flinch rate. Paired with Thunder Wave, your opponent won't be doing a thing. Sadly not as good after fifth gen, but worth mentioning
@@sinnohperson8813 paralyzing both opponents is pretty good in doubles, so it's really not too much set up. The strategy is a bit gimmicky, but it is effective. Didn't win Worlds thankfully, but it was fairly common in DP
It has won good number of regionals too. Usually paired with bulky mons who doesn't depend on their damage outputs like gastrodon. Or hypnosis coil muddy water milotic 💀
I would’ve put diamond storm at five just because ground becomes the best offensive type with thousand arrows and terastar storm is just so strong and you can’t do anything about it
it also gets one of Reshiram and Zekrom's signature moves but I can only remember Bolt Strike cuz it synegrized with its ability (85% accuracy or something like that) iirc it's from a movie event
Dragon was supposed to be a late game defensive powerhouse while ice was late game offensive powerhouse. But over the years dragons got tons of legendaries , powerful attacks and pseudos. Ice didn't get much
@MattBudYT ill be honest my stupid ass thought scorching sands was a spread move at one point, cuz I thought like, "oh a ground type heatwave that's cool" it in fact wasn't a spread move
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"Rock Slide" the only non-signature moves with over 60 power that can do AoE damage and also flinches the enemies.
Shit accuracy:
So what?
I have a slight "trust", to say at least, to moves with 90% or 95% accuracy.
Also is rock type, an amazing offensive type
astral barrage and glacial lance, no argument here
for sure
Kid named water spout:
@@echo5172kid named priority moves:
Wide guard
@@Fecto_Elfilis2 feint :D
I would've put Eruption over Water Spout. The only relevant Water Spout user is Kyogre, who isn't always legal and doesn't even always run it. By contrast, Torkoal is always legal, always relevant, and always runs Eruption.
Plus there’s no fire equivalent of storm drain
@@leavemealone8534 there is, sorta. flash fire is quite good actually
@@yeremiaputra7213 that’s a water absorb equivalent it has no redirection
@@leavemealone8534 I'm confused. Redirection doesn't even affect spread moves...
i think water spout has had a larger effect on the meta bc of scarf kyogre. back during restricted formats with kyogre, pokemon like ludicolo and palkia were strong simply because they 4x resisted water
Not EVERY mon would prefer glaciate over icy wind, as it just crosses the technician threshold, so those mons would actually be much better off with icy wind. Although maybe glaciate works on wind rider mons? I didn't check, it would be a plus.
how many pokémon get access to both icywind and technician is the real question
@@travisowens8905Fezandipiti and the Persian forms, but Fezandipiti will run Toxic Chain for its spread moves and Alolan Persian will run Fur Coat. Kantonian Persian is irrelevant as a Pokémon but has no special attack so the damage boost hardly matters.
@@travisowens8905 doesn't matter, distribution was not part of the criteria
@@cabrondemente1 neither was abilities, if you payed attention the conversation was about technician and icy wind as a better combo over glaciate. the topic was not about the rankings really so your point is mute.
In many other moves he considered possible combos, regardless of distribution. This is just a thought about the move potential in the series. Think maybe skill swap, or balanced hackmons haha
I still can't get my head around Gamefreak doubling down on Darkrai by decreasing the accuracy of Dark Void when Darkrai itself never had been allowed in any official tournament. Smeargle not being able to use that move would've been more than enough to get Smeargle off the scene...
I unironically loved that heatwave joke lol
Dang I didn't realize how many spread moves there are till I started watching this
Imagine if Black Kyurem got Glacial Lance
Some of these I didn’t even know were Spread Moves
@@zlectricute1906 me too😂
Now rank every move ever
@@zachpro5475 yeah no problem it’ll be up tomorrow
BET
@@MattBudYT"Every move ever"... They didn't specify in the main series games... So, you gotta rank all the moves in main series, all moves in spin-offs (if there are some invented ones), all anime-only moves (I know there are at least a few), but most importantly...............
All moves in the TCG, ever since the very first cards were created! 😂😂😂 (I bet there are at least a million moves in the TCG 😂)
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if i had to buff the absolute worst move razor wind it would be to remove the charge turn in tailwind or something. even then it’s just worse air cutter.
Another point towards leer is that in gen 2 it's animation was basically laser eyes
32:19 "It's the only spread move that's also a draining attack as well"
Parabolic Charge is around the corner crying right now :'(
Though that falls under the damaging the ally spread moves like you mentioned not including at the start so hopefully it shows up there :P
Yep, I was talking strictly about just damaging foes and not allies or else Parabolic Charge would be in that category.
It would show up in a video on moves that target everyone!
@@MattBudYT Cool cool! Took me a little bit to remember/realize Parabolic Charge damaged the ally too lol.
It's easy to think of Parabolic Charge as a predecessor to Matcha Gatcha minus the burn & miss chance.
30:01 If there's a Rock Slide, there's a way
There is one (1) special attacking, technician swift mon which is alolan Persian who always runs fur coat instead
@@thod-thod no point of running it on that variation either without STAB. Regular technician persian with STAB is at least decently strong.
@@MattBudYT true, but doesn’t get swift
@@thod-thod it sure does, I showed it in the video. Learns by TM in general 9
@@MattBudYT didn’t show up when I filtered for it on showdown
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56 would actually go crazy if on that one new mon that was part of the toxic trio, the bird one, because of the ability they have to make every move have the chance to poison. Put a multi hit move on it get the guaranteed poison then hit em with this
Sandstorm storm would make way more sense if it bypassed accuracy in a sandstorm rather than rain.
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With of all of the Pokémon move videos I’ve seen, even the ones trying to find obscure moves, this is the first one in a long long time that has included a move I actually don’t know, being Flame Burst. And it wasn’t even on the actually list
You must not have played Gen 5. It was the first decent fire type move available in those games. They started all fire types with Incinerate (30 BP in Gen 5) instead of Ember, and then came Flame Charge at 50 BP. Flame Burst was basically my savior in every Gen 5 playthrough because at 70 BP it wasn't garbage like the others. You can get an early game Victini in BW, and it kept getting its butt kicked for quite a while because the fire type moves in Gen 5 are pathetic. I like those games, but they have some serious issues.
Super awesome video. Keep it up bud
Glimmora would be EVEN NASTIER with Venom Drench...im scared to think of the havoc it could wreak...
I think it probably would have been worth mentioning how some of these moves like Bubble were deleted.
Drinking game, take a shot every time Matt says "solid"
solid idea for a drinking game!
Interesting Fact: Fighting type is the only type without a move that either hits both opponents or hits everyone on the field
Can’t wait for ranking every single hit move
Kid named wide guard:
Matcha Gatcha isn’t the only draining spread move. There’s also Parabolic Charge.
Video idea: rankings every stat raising/lowering moves.
Growl is WAY underrated, it’s been a staple of vgc for years
Incinerate is actually pretty clutch, harvest strats are out the door, a thrash or outrage user is taking a big risk without a lum berry, and of the type effectiveness berries are in trouble, it has potential
lets go, new mattbud video 🤟
13:19 I would love to see land's wrath to become sp.atk version, just to make it unique compare to other move
Honestly im suprised they havent expirmented more with splash damage.
What a shame boomburst can't be here
@@King-lt5yw it’ll be on a separate video for moves that target everyone
@@MattBudYT boom burst only attacks foes right
@@felixeliaschacko7710I invite you to use the context of this conversation to make a guess
@@usernametaken017 sorry bro my bad
I Always thought Boomburst attacks only goes 😅😂
One thing you haven't considered is how glacial lance is a physical move, and that makes it susceptible to intimidates and burns, personally I consider this to be more relevant than the typechart, making astral barrage best in my opinion
Astral barrage comes on a weaker typing and normals are immune to it
Shadow rider didn't even make it to top 8 this time
Didn’t mention matcha gatcha thawing the user and target(s)
Now rank every Pokémon card 😊
You mean EVERY every pokemon card or every competively viable pokemon card
Water spout is goated cuz without it the lions would win
Eruption, origin pulse, rockslide, earthquake, glacial lance etc.
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I would have said dark void but Game Freak brought shame to it. Poor Darkrai.
R.I.P Darkrai 🪦
I’ll never forgive Game Freak for what they did to Darkrai. Making Dark Void 50% accurate just ruined it.
Oh and for whatever reason, Gen 9 removed Thunderbolt from Darkrai’s learnset too 😭
It's not even allowed in competitive which makes it more weird
@@sinnohperson8813might be due to Smeargles spamming Dark Void previously
@@mashiro419 they made smeargle unable to do the move , that fixed it. Accuracy reduction was maybe due to these metronome or other stuff ig
It's a shame Venom Drench isn't in this generation... I could see a WACKY ass team with a Venom Drench user after Glimmora uses Mortal Spin. Maybe an ally is holding a Mirror Herb to have their stats lowered only to bring in Malamar and use Topsy Turvey. Am I cooking?
Another Mattbud banger !
next do every single status move that only affects the target instead of boosting your pokemon (boosting moves for a new vid)
I'd put Twister a little bit higher for the sole fact that Togekiss can learn it. Serene Grace bumps it up to 40% flinch rate. Paired with Thunder Wave, your opponent won't be doing a thing. Sadly not as good after fifth gen, but worth mentioning
Togekiss got 80 speed
@@sinnohperson8813 why I said to pair it with Thunder Wave
@@Trixie_Lavender too much set up tbh , you have to thunder wave both mons
@@sinnohperson8813 paralyzing both opponents is pretty good in doubles, so it's really not too much set up. The strategy is a bit gimmicky, but it is effective. Didn't win Worlds thankfully, but it was fairly common in DP
@@Trixie_Lavender takes two turns tho. Two turns is a lot in doubles
Burning 2 berrys would be funny 😂
I feel like muddy water was kind of underrated.
It's won me countless games. It just gives you outs in games you have no business winning
I’ve lost far more games due to muddy water misses than I’ve won games due to muddy water hitting
It has won good number of regionals too. Usually paired with bulky mons who doesn't depend on their damage outputs like gastrodon. Or hypnosis coil muddy water milotic 💀
Bro forgot Parabolic Charge is also a spread draining move.
@@kailesperance1922 it hits all other mons on the field including teammate. This video is just considering moves that target both foes
@@MattBudYT Oh, ok
I would’ve put diamond storm at five just because ground becomes the best offensive type with thousand arrows and terastar storm is just so strong and you can’t do anything about it
But it's on an illegal mon not buildt for competitive
@@sinnohperson8813 yeah but it was still ranked so I’m saying my opinion on the ranking
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Ain't Punk Rock only 1.3x?
Yes. I was thinking 50% for the damage reduction it grants to sound based moves
I take astral barrage over glacial land way more physically bulky mons then special bulk
Ghost is a weaker offensive typing plus normal mons exist which makes it hard to slap a specs on it
Why does victini have glaciate
"Spedef"
Parabolic charge? Did I miss it?
It also hits your ally so not included in this list
Where are Rage Powder and Follow Me?
They target the user. They are included in my priority move ranking video though.
the dragon type offensive type chart is actually funny for no reason
why does victini get glaciate :/
it also gets one of Reshiram and Zekrom's signature moves but I can only remember Bolt Strike cuz it synegrized with its ability (85% accuracy or something like that)
iirc it's from a movie event
Dragon was supposed to be a late game defensive powerhouse while ice was late game offensive powerhouse. But over the years dragons got tons of legendaries , powerful attacks and pseudos. Ice didn't get much
Parabolic charge??!
@@DylanmeetWorld hits all pokemon on the field🙃
Snarl Incineroar
I mean astral barrage has to be near the top right?
Only one way to find out
(Don’t skip to the end)
@MattBudYT ill be honest my stupid ass thought scorching sands was a spread move at one point, cuz I thought like, "oh a ground type heatwave that's cool" it in fact wasn't a spread move
Where is surf and eq?
Why you!!!
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O fuckin love eruption of its not in the top 10 i will come back and do literally nothing
Let me know how this goes
As i expected eruption is in the top 10 i am happy
Discharge...?
Hits all mons on the field
I didn’t see burning jealousy here which is a big move, did I just miss it or is it not on the list?
Its in The list. U just lost it
What about leer and growl?
Watch the video and you’ll see them
Precipice Blades and Origin Pulse sucks