FAA investigates two close calls involving passenger planes
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- The FAA is investigating two emergencies, one involving two flights that came within 700 feet of each other in Syracuse, N.Y., and the other involving a United flight that lost a tire on takeoff. NBC News' Tom Costello reports.
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Sudely, a blow away door of a plane doesn't look so serious.
All plane have systems that would go off in situations like this telling one plane to go up and the other one to go down, neither plane would be told to do the same thing. The repercussions of the blown plug was much more serious for many reasons. One being that Boeing manufactured the cockpit door to automatically open in a situation that the Alaska flight experienced however they never told anyone that the doors would open. Huge safety risk and something not covered very well by media. For that emergency landing the pilots had to go off muscle memory because all of the emergency check lists they needed were sucked out of the cockpit.
Whoop whoop terrain
The incredible thing is that having the volume of flights we have the news are just those, merely a broken door or a wheel.
@@jjpoulsen01 Nah, the door thing just got blown out of proportion because it was Boeing we are talking about. They are under the microscope for many other mistakes.
Worse things happen in aviation all the time, but get a fraction of the publicity. See the turbulence that left like 12 critically injured just a month or two ago.
how many of this kind of accident happen in this year, there is at least 8 already.
Its normal, with millions of planes flying every year obviously one accident is going to happen
Not normal, it’s called DEI
@@tmanrobins429 just say what you really want to say.
@@tmanrobins429 yep, both planes were piloted by black men.
@@diow142is increasing tho
1:25 "a tire fell" not just that. The entire wheel fell off.
newscasters don't know the difference
They expect you to do these increasingly complex maintenaince operations in a time pressure that is unrealistic
things you say before a nervous breakdown for 400 alex
@@theendofthelineThat is correct, what did you wager? A gold star and 500 Stanley nickels, congratulations!
True, my last flight was Milan-Chicago, the plane had just arrived from Chicago 2 hours before the departure. Who can maintain that plane in 2 hours?
Indeed. Management needs to be replaced as they are not efficient and safe enough. Failure to comply with safety standards should be punishable with loss of company.
@@forzaazzurri1471 Before any flight a preflight check list is preformed, usually by the first officer, to ensure the aircraft is safe. This includes checking things outside the aircraft, if you get to your gate early enough you can see them walking around. Even if it’s the 2nd or 3rd leg of a flight and the pilots are the same they’ll do the check list. Pilots want to go home to their families safely as much as the passengers do.
I like how the news put an exclamation point after go around even though the guy speaking was completely calm.
Thats Scary, Thankyou for showing...
Why are these becoming so common lately?
Maybe it's always been happening but now there is more increased scrutiny.
No matter how high tech the safety measures and engineering are, there is no escaping the fact that accidents are inevitable and with the sheer volume of flights taking place now there are sure to be more fatalities
The Human Factor
I don't agree. The number of flights is not an issue, I think it's lack of controlers and lack of training of those who are there already. On top of that, especially in USA, why do everybody have to use LAX or JFK or ORD? There's sooo many airports arohnd that decongestion should not be a problem.
I'm a commercial pilot and have been flying since 1999. I'm also a licensed aircraft mechanic. The problem we are having right now is that the pipeline for qualified controllers is broken. This job is incredibly stressful and challenging. It takes a special kind of person to do it. The pay is not commensurate to the job anymore. And with government funding cuts and hiring freezes that have been occurring for the last 20 years, it's only getting worse. They cannot keep controller positions filled with qualified people. The gradual privatization of this is only making matters worse, as privately operated towers are notorious for staffing washouts from the FAA controller program.
I no dat a few wleels didn't not 🚫 fall on that one news
PlAN
Wow! This would have been the worst crash in the US in over 20 years!!
Given that hundreds of airplanes take off everyday without incident, that would be nothing
@@User-jr7vf You wouldn't be saying that if you were a passenger on one of those flights.
Imagine how badly your car maintenance would have to be for a wheel to fall off!
OMG not another Cerritos.
Areomexico - I remember that crash back in 1986
It’s going to happen. Too many issues with ATC.
You notice how one of the planes on the dash cam video looks smaller than the other? That’s because it’s farther away, which means they’re not going to hit each other. Both planes were CRJ-900’s, which meant they’re the same size. The appearance of the near miss is nothing more than an optical illusion. Were they closer than normal, yes. Were they still at a safe distance, also yes.
I’d like to thank all of the news outlets using this nothing incident to fear monger the general public. I hope it brings in enough viewers for you to keep your ad rates up.
Pretty sure 725ft is not at all a safe distance in the air with such large craft.
@@cbuffallo1146that’s not the point he’s making. The pilots landing realized atc told someone was taking off when they shouldn’t of.spoke up then Atc realized they’re mistake told them to go around and at that point those pilots made correction to avoid a collision. The video makes it seem as it was luck that they didn’t hit. They were probably at that 700ft away over the runway when they made the go around. It’s an incident because atc messed up but the pilots did what they were suppose and were vigilant. Planes can be close as long as they do it safely. You should look up parallel landings at sfo. Those planes are probably 500 ft side by aside landing
Whoa ! Whew.... glad both of planes with people on it are all right. Good for police officers keep eyes on those 2 planes as witnesses.
I'm not going to fly anymore.
But the chances of getting into a plane crash are lower than getting into a car accident. I'm still flying. Look at me. I'm still alive. Alive to make this comment.
then don't
You are far more likely to die driving to the airport than on the plane itself. Notice how it's national news when a tire falls off a plane. Meanwhile an American dies in a car crash every 15 minutes. The fact that tiny incidents in air travel make national news shows how safe it is.
@@FadeintotheShadows To be fair there are thousands upon thousands that can't say the same.
I’m driving 2 days to Montana because I will not fly any more. I don’t trust the people who are supposed to be doing their jobs.
The FAA needs an overhaul starting from the top. They can't seem to get their act together with problems involving flight towers, Boeing, and staffing. Poor leadership and management at the helm is disasterous for public safety.
It happens because federal employees aren’t fired if they mess up, there’s no discipline at all for anything they do unless it’s blatantly illegal and everybody saw it. Other than that, they all do the bare minimum to make it to retirement.
The FAA insists on keeping aviation today as archaic as possible. Europe has all the new and advanced traffic monitoring (computerized systems).
@@Dangle147 there's something like 60-70% termination rate for controllers. Don't let the facts bother you though
Just wait until ATC is completely re-staffed with new, inexperienced people appointed by Trump. He wants authority to fire any federal civil service employees who are not loyal to him. And replace them with redhat dimwits. Same thing with NTSB, FDA, FEMA, NASA, etc. etc.
The FAA needs to start using ICAO terminology like the rest of the world
On United, wheels will cost you extra.
a spate of incidents now involving controllers and incorrect runway information. Is this some kind of software issue? The press should be doing more to press the FAA to disclose what is causing controllers to allow take-off rolls and landings on occupied runways. We are mere seconds from a tenerife-style disaster on American soil.
IMO you shoud implement a air traffic management system simiar to what we have in Brazil. It is under direct control of the Air Force, the controllers are all specialist Seargents. The level of discipline is insane. I had the opportunity to see it myself years ago.
Lol I've seen those military controllers, not much of an improvement@@User-jr7vf
Only a matter of time unfortunately. So many near misses, doors blowing off, multitude of Boeing technical problems. Airport tower people overworked.
The controller in the first clip sounded like he was about to fall asleep.
I feel like American aviation has taken a massive backslide
dash cam release quick when it has nothing to do with protecting cops from abusing power
Someone at United Maintenance really doesn't like tires.
What the heck,,,🙏🙏🙏
Regional planes use less experienced pilots. And guessing the Syracuse tower has less experienced ATC than more major airports.
Are those firestone tires?
700ft … relax they are acting like it was 10 ft away
That’s very close for airplanes
In the aviation world, trust me, 700' is way too close and it might as well be 10ft.
700 feet is nothing when you’re going the speed airplanes are flying at.
Did MCAS get involved?
Even the wheel is trying to escape from his incompetent bosses
Heisenberg
Bro thinks he's Wayfarer 152 😂
Breaking Bad
It’s amazing how little the media knows about aviation, and how sensationalized they make it.
I bet a door is gonna fall off next
The United CEO needs to be held to account.
Maybe let AI run air traffic control and call it Skynet.
Someone in flight control tower is gonna be looking for a new career
Corporate greed destroys another American institution. How many does that make today already?
This is why I hate flying.
UNITED WHAT IS HAPPENING
Soooo…………. How are those planes, trains and automobiles, Mayor Pete?
Too many planes in the sky
If it's not the manufacturers, then it's the operators.
American aviation standards seems to be a miss.
I don't think I'll be flying anytime soon...
FAA, USDOT, and all other transportation government entities need to start taking immediate action, rather than investigative promises. Too many close calls. Audit ATC and pilot training centers.
Thank you, detective.
I wonder what could possibly be the problem, surely not that there is a massive shortage of controllers nationwide and the FAA seems to be doing nothing about it...
I was trained as an automobile mechanic in the '70s. I'm sure airplane tires or landing gears are very complicated systems, and I would love to hear how they come off during takeoff. I'm sure they will find out. It's like someone forgot the lug nuts. That was being facetious. Or not. Hee, hee!
Its just United playing bowling
Last time I was on a plane I was on the wing seat and I saw a plane fly perpendicular to us DORECTLY underneath us. Freaked me out and I felt like the dude on the twilight zone trying not to freak other people out like saying "did yall see that we almost got t boned"
seeing another plane close to you outside of your own plane window is like seeing a great white shark pop up in front of you in the ocean.
😂😂😂
@@gaba-goo3733or cross a street and then car suddenly shows up to your left side.
That is completely normal if there is at least a 1000 ft seperation
You were not at risk of being t-boned
Privatize the air traffic control, and stop with the nonsense of government overreach.
Profit > people per usual..
The news is mixing issues here. This is a near-miss, or as George Carlin would call it, a "near-hit," in the air. It has to do with the actual flying and traffic control. The wheels falling off are equipment and maintenance issues. That other United plane that got stuck in the grass was, as I understand it, an error by the pilot taxiing a bit too fast when rounding that corner.
Hmm!! This its no good
Can’t wait for GreenDot Aviation’s video on this
OMG!!!!!!!
Ohhhh POOOR Ben!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a dramatic moment, made even more dramatic by NBC Nightly News!!!
Didnt look normal to me even though people said in comments it is normal. Nice reporting NBC.🎉🎉
Doesn't it seem as though airlines staff, including Air Traffic Controllers and Pilots are getting stressed/stretched every coming day? Are they reaching their saturation points, meaning "I can't take it anymore", leading to "I really don't care", type of attitude.
idk if its the news being dumb or the FAA being slow as always but i already figured out its ATC error by noticing that the ATC cleared them for takeoff pilots just did what they where suppose to
Of course the plane that lost a tire is a Boeing aircraft
According to all the pilot vids I watch there is supposed to be a system alert (forgot the acronym) that tells each plane what to do immediately to avoid one another. But not all planes have them (?) Guess this was just too sudden.
Correct, TCAS. Both regional jets listed in this video are equipped with TCAS.
@@onehittaquitta There it is! Thanks!
This is not Boeings fault
If it's Boeing some parts aren't going.🤣
The camera footage is parallax error. The angle looks dramatic because of the location of the camera. This was a normal go around because the aircraft on the runway didn't takeoff before the arriving aircraft. No safety was compromised.
It was stated the two planes were 700 ft from each other. Parallax or no parallax, I doubt two planes in the air are supposed to be that close.
The report wasn't from the video. They have radar
@@sammyday3341"According to FlightRadar24, the planes came about 700 to 1,000 feet within each other vertically.
It is unclear how close they were horizontally."
@@sammyday3341 separation should be 1000 ft vertically, UNLESS they are separated horizontally. So no, you can be separated by less. This is just typical American news broadcasters saying anything to fill their 24 h schedule.. I’m sorry but the interviewee literally just described a go around😅 it’s not that deep guys😂
you know it's only because of constant ATC feeds that this is even caught.
It's always caught. You just didn't know it before so much youtubing. It's precisely because things like this are caught and investigated with subsequent updates to operational procedures, rules and regulations, that aviation has remained the safest mode of transportation.
Possible close call it says in the news headline,,,,so do we just report news on possibilities now instead of facts,,,,News agencies should be REPORTING NEWS, not CREATING NEWS.
To be fair, there’s no way of knowing how far apart the 2 planes are horizontally. They could be a mile apart and yet it looks like they’re crossing paths.
They literally said within 700 feet of
Guy ATC. Can't wait for all the DEI comments. 🙄
White guy at that.
hahaha
I'm sure they'll find a way to blame DEI anyway. /sigh
They got awfully quiet whenever a white male is involved. They'll probably say he was part of the LGBTQ+ community or something.
General info. There is an ATC recording the female trainee mistakenly had two planes land on crossing runways but one of the pilots caught it. They were all over that. "Moaw, if dis wur gyy he be fired!"
This looks fake
DO BETTER ATC
I don't care, I will still fly
From the drive through to the ATC tower in 3 days. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😂
Time for some retraining of ATCs
Somebody needs to lose their job
Always a stupid comment to make
@@Renard380 Yep, you just made it.
Daddy, can you get me on as an ATC ? I dont want to work at Taco Bell !
Anyone else miss the time when a fear of flying on a plane was an irrational fear? Anyone else miss when it was Karens / TikTok dances as the worst thing to witness on a flight? Anyone else miss when we had to wear masks on a plane to stay alive instead of reading up on the latest safety precautions/what to do in an air flight emergency? I sure do….
Boeing and airlines are really stupid which can / will cost lives, they must be stopped & held accountable!
All that sky and somehow planes manage to cross paths. I don't get it. There is literally nothing in every direction how does this even happen?
You would be surprised! But think about…and I have worked as an Air Traffic Controller (EnRoute) that transitions to off shore non radar across the Atlantic Ocean. I’m a seasoned professional of 18 years so I’d like to take this time to shed some light for you. If a person is going to put planes together it will most likely happen at the airport because of the close proximity of the airplanes. It’s much harder to put planes together en route but it’s still possible because airplanes for the most part aren’t flying on random routes. And routes intersect. And airplanes want to fly at the same time in the same winds to get the best fuel economy. As well as working Oceanic traffic, I work a sector that feeds Boston, Newark, JFK, Philadelphia, Dulles, and the smaller airports in between. That’s 5 feeds to major airports of aircraft climbing and descending into each other! Don’t worry! It’s super fun when it’s busy and unlike what some of the comments have said we take tremendous pride in what we do! We are short staffed but it has nothing to do with Covid as someone stated. We are all human, and we all make mistakes. Sometimes you tell a plane to turn left and they turn right! Directly into the traffic you were trying to avoid so you very quickly need to come up with another plan! It happens, but I can guarantee you, we are all working together to keep the flying public safe! If I’m feeling fatigued I will use a sick day and come back refreshed and ready! 🫡
Its usually these private small planes being little nuisances in the air🙄🙄that was too close. I remember the one in Brazil where the small plane cut the Boeing wing off and the plane went down because the small plane didnt have on their location proximity sensor.
The NTSB and Brazilian CENIPA disagreed regarding the transponder being on or off. Shortly after the collision there was a brief radar contact that showed an altitude readout, which would be impossible with the transponder off. CENIPA accused the NTSB of trying to protect US pilots by saying the system failed for unknown causes. The NTSB accused CENIPA of blaming the pilots in order to avoid embarrassment to a Brazilian company.
Both agreed that ATC had issued a bad altitude for the direction of flight. Something the pilots and ATC along the route of flight should have questioned.
From personal experience flying over the Amazon, it is extremely difficult to maintain radio contact. I've gone HOURS broadcasting in the blind down there. The ATC tapes and black box provided the proof that the flight crew and ATC had made multiple attempts to contact each other to no avail.
This was a perfect Swiss cheese accident chain that resulted in a tragedy.
use that thing between your ears before commenting out of your butt
meh fine.
Imagine this would have happened under Trump… calls for removal of this and that Secretary/Head etc. would be on every newspaper…
If Americans make their planes like how they make their cars.....
We do, that's why they are very reliable. The last major fatal accident due to mechanical issues occurred 24 years ago and that was because of improper maintenance.
Is this comment from 1988?
American cars are well made these days
@@GooseGumlizzard there are tons of recalls after recalls even till this day. You must be living under a rock if you are unaware of this.
@@sarahjenkins7064 You mean like the exploding airbags in Japanese cars that basically act like a claymore mine in your face?
@@IlPinnacolo no car manufacturer is perfect but I am sure you are smart enough to understand numbers, right?
Truly a first world country aviation 😂
Only a matter of time before Meghan Markle, Jeremy Corbyn and Sangita Myska get blamed for this!
700ft is perfectly acceptable passing separation. 500ft is the average distance for planes going over Atlantic.
No it's not. RVSM airspace provides 1000' separation for opposite direction traffic.
Exactly, opposite. 700 ft of *centreline* separation is totally acceptable, for example while landing on runways that are besides each other. Aircraft must at all times be separated by 1000ft vertically, unless they are separated horizontally. The latter one being the case here. What is more shocking to me is that no one picked up on that take off clearance. having pilots asking “wait who is cleared for what?” on radio, mean someone is lacking behind and not having the situational awareness he should have.😅
@@realmotos6024 yah what do u think was going on here one was landing one was going around if I’m not mistaking. They were just traveling in a straight line
Too close. Seriously. Too close! Will or should countries, states, and nations implement required mandatory pilot safety training certifications to be fulfilled by ALL AIRLINE COMPANIES, every six months?
Forget fighting for customer’s money by implementing every type of crazy financial “sale” loyalty to airline schemes. Heck, are airlines companies going to fight for, AND GUARANTEE, OUR SAFETY??? Lord help us!
If it isn’t bad enough with the Boeing crisis. Then I have been binge watching the “Mayday, Mayday” episodes. Now THIS MESS????
it didnt take months to get the cop dash cam? im shocked.
So 2024 hasn’t been nice to united airlines lately huh ?
Every airline gets their turn in the barrel. Southwest had had a few lately as well. The same Delta plane (N373NW), a 23 year old Airbus A320 has had both the left and right engines fail in just a 3 week span.
@@KevinWindsor1971 wow
good thing they dismissed hundreds of their graduates because they didn't fit the DEI requirements. what could possibly go wrong in a field that's already streched as thin as a hair...
Kudos to the American pilot who is listening and paying attention to the ATC communication with other planes in the vicinity, and having the situational awareness and then immediately responding to it (by reminding the ATC they are going to be on 28). It sounds trivial but it's a lot of attention to do all these things in a short period of time, when your plane is flying at a speed of several hundred miles per hour.
Boeing jets?
What do Boeing jets have to do with this?
@@silverhawkflash faulty instruments
@@aerohkbruh these are regional jets and Boeing ain’t make those
Hypercapitalism is now eating itself.
Just like Marx predicted over 100 years ago. Crazy
@@atiithe Just like on the Book of Enoch:
"And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones."
Is it a Boeing problem?
It’s a DEI problem. Look it up. Do your research.
Yes cause Boeing controls the pilots(ps I’m joking and these aren’t even Boeing planes)
@@melovetorunyep, that was a black woman on the radio at the ATC.
Thanks DEI 👍
Where’s DEI comments? Yt racist always quiet when they’re the most incompetent.
🎯
This is what happens with DEI
Who’s the secretary of transportation?
Miss woke...Budijiudzzzjj
What does he have to do with this?
I don't think he was in the control tower at that moment.
Would you like Secretary Buttigieg to put on a headset and micromanage operations at hundreds of airports across the country? Holding United or Boeing's feet to the fire would be "big gubment regulations stifling the free market" and lord knows we can't have that.
Yes because the secretary of transportation was working in the tower
United has a lot of DEI hiring policies... I won't be flying on them for working for them that's for sure.
Why does the control Captain sound like a stoner?
Oh they're definitely going to be looking into this for sure
Like really high tech maintenance putting the lug nuts on a wheel.
Could this be something more sinister?
I'm thinking their not telling us everything
Try real hard to create a conspiracy.
@@justayoutuber1906 actually it’s quite obvious when you look at the 50 year stats in flight mishaps.
Probably dei hires
Boeing gets away with planes nose diving should tell you everything you need to know about flying in the US.
Thank god america hires based on race and color instead of education or training. Wait...