Mix With Analog Outboard Gear In Reaper
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- čas přidán 22. 07. 2024
- Learn how to mix using your analog hardware in Reaper.
00:00 Intro
01:43 Gear
03:48 Cables & Connections
07:28 Routing In Reaper
14:02 Printing Audio
15:51 Outro
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Really well done Evan.
so for the printing part, watch out that your send volume is at unity. That's basically the same way I do it. I've also figured out a way to print to the same track, which is too many steps to list here, but can work really well as long as there aren't a bunch of splits on the original source media.
You can also disable full-speed-offline in the render window and set to 1x online to render the mix through the hardware. Necessary for master fx.
Thanks Jon!
Jon PLEASE make a video on this!!!
Evan like me and many others have interfaces with 16 plus channels of I/O, and many pieces of outboard gear.
Your videos were great, as are the others out there, but incomplete as to this step.
Printing back through ReaInsert to the Same channels, as Takes, then hiding the Original takes and de-activating ReaInsert is what we need whether manual or scripted.
The comments in All of these videos come back to this but I can’t find a video showing how to set it up.
Obviously Evan if you figure it out I’d love to see your video walking us through it as well.
This one is the most clear of all the dozen I’ve seen so far, and a Part 2 would be fantastic.
TIA Brothas!
@@G_handle I actually did do a video on this recently
@The REAPER Blog Great!
Thanks for replying so quickly.
I've been watching videos on this all day, both of yours on ReaInsert and Recording with and without Takes.
Haven't found where you print through ReaInsert to Takes using Track Output.
(Posted by mistake)
I did find an old video from Kenny that covers many scenarios, except ReaInsert.
czcams.com/video/nVbGhnS_sQM/video.html
So combining Tutorials we get there.
Do you have a link by chance to the video you're referring to?
@@G_handle right here czcams.com/video/wVlz1fKa2w4/video.html
Finally a video on this topic that is simple and easy to follow. Thanks so much and I can't wait to go through the rest of your content.
I really like the fact that you took the time to label the routing in Reaper. It seems that all of the Reaper 'experts' have overlooked that. SUBSCRIBED!
Thanks Evan. That's incredibly helpful info @7:46...I didn't realize that was an option.
Thanks a lot. Really informative!
Great work! Thank you!
Finally mixing with my first bit of outboard gear, so glad I found this video, thanks a lot you made it so simple.
Glad it helped!
Thanks so much, Evan.
this open my eyes wow. i been wonting to go stand alone with 0ut a daw the dat and this making me take a 2nd l00k at daw recording.
Could you have made this tutorial more clear? I don't think so. What's your day job, a school teacher? If not, you should become one! Excellent job! Thanks.👍
Hey what can I say? I wanted to make the video that I needed (but could never find)!. Hope it helps
This is what I've been looking for! Great job explaining, thank you so much!
Hey thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.
Thanks for a simple explanation
Excellent info! Thanks so much!😊
Any time!
Thanks, mate, it's so helpful
thanks for the video, it was really helpful!
Glad it helped!
Thank you Evan!
No problem!
thank you very much
Thanks !
Very well done
Thank you! Cheers!
Great Tutorial 👌
Thanks 🙂
Thanks...I have a rather unique set-up and while my external gear isn't here yet...I'm trying to prepare myself as much as possible in advance.
There is definitely some good info in this video. However, my situation is that I have a desktop interface with no extra sends or receives. But I also have an X32 Rack. So that will be my new interface going forward. I know the easy route is to use the aux ins and outs. However, I don't believe that those show up in Reaper.
I know running into a couple channels is the work around for that. But what I am unsure of, is if the aux outs will work to feed the external hardware or not. The X32 has infinitely versatile routing and so does Reaper.
I expect this to be a bit of a 'Journey' for sure!
good video with nice production values .....
I have recently set up a separate mixing/ mastering station in my studio with an SSL Big Six, SSL Fusion, SSL Bus+, SSL UC1 and SSL UF8. Now that they are set up to work with Reaper, the system works well. It is nice to have physical hardware to use. I don't claim that it improves the quality of the songs but it is quite enjoyable.
hey :) did you connect the analog gear to you're master manualy in reaper ore did u use reinsert ? just asking ...
Manually @@FALLENOUTOFTIME
Nice video and good demonstration, although I would've loved to see whether you've got now also a good way to route through multiple HW at the same time, from your SSL to Bus-comp and then back to the DAW or from 1974 to Bus-Comp to SSL and then back to the DAW, or do you have to bounce it every time, to then route it through another piece of HW?
Hi i do have the art voice channel strip i am confuse the cables connections going to volt476p interface to be use as a hardware insert in reaper
Great tutorial. You lost me at 13:00 where suddenly a new track called "mix" shows up. What is that track and how is it routed/connected to the other tracks? Thanks!
Presumably you could save your Reainsert instances as FX chains to recall them ready-patched for your hardwares?
Bit late to the party, but I would say to make presets in ReaInsert for all your effects. This way you can call up your, for example, compressor with the inputs, outputs, levels and latency compensation already made. I find it best to “ping” again as my system’s latency for my outboard gears sometimes changes.
Thank you for this video! I'm guessing this video was based off an older version of Reaper? I ran some testing and I was able to render to a stereo wav file without needing to print back the effected channels into Reaper. My only slight issue is I seem to have a delay in the hardware VU meters but the audio is fine.
Can you send the FX to the ( IN FX ) input , Print while record?
Or just right click and freeze?
Great video
Great instructional video ! I have a ton of vintage outboard that I track with never mixed with, but this is something I have wanted to do for some time ,and had to get my head around. I spent all day yesterday trying to send out a signal into a Hologram Microcosm pedal for one part using ReaInsert and my ID 44 using outputs 3 and 4 and still have not been able to get a return signal no matter what I did. This was just a test to see if I could get this system working. I was pulling my hair out with the routing. The ID44 wants to send the audio out ThruDaw which I did but still no return. Going to explore more today and see if I can figure this out. I have a Metric Halo ADDA coming in a few days and hope I have this routing sorted before then. I have a vintage Pultec EQ that will really sweeten an overall mix if I can get this routing sorted. Thanks for your effort and clear explanation.
Yeah i'll be curious to see what happens. I hope you get it figured out (I"m sure you will)!
Did you ever get it figured out? I have an ID44 and I want to run VST synths through my guitar pedals live. Trying to figure out how to do that so that I can play the VST synth in real time while it sends through the guitar pedals and then back into the ID44 for recording.
@@sbenson76 I did end up getting Reinsert to work but not with the ID44. I was upgrading my ADDA at the time and went with the Metric Halo ULN2 3d and got that up and running and able to mix with my outboard and reamp with my pedals etc with no latency. It took a bit to understand my new workflow but I got there in the end. I am sure I would have figured out how to do it with the ID44 had I stuck with it. The main thing would be to set up your alt outputs and run those out to your pedals,(be careful there as far as volume and feedback loops) and then run them back into your system via your normal 1 and 2 preamp inputs. From memory I had to go into Reapers preferences and go to Audio, the input and out put alias/naming and organize my inputs and outputs. After that when you are in Reinsert you need to set your output buss and your input, in my case it was send 3 and 4, and returns 1 and 2. Take your synth track and make a track below it, and send the vst signal there while taking the original synth out of the mix. Arm the track. Set your input on that track to input 1. Now send your signal and you should see your signal returning. Now go ahead and ping it, and it should correct the latency automatically and you are good to go. Even did a much better job of explaining this in his vid, but I am happy to chime in and help you get going. It's frustrating not being able to figure something out quickly as it kills the vibe of creation. Good luck and let me know if you sort it out.
@@owlmeetscatofficialpage593 That is super helpful. My biggest problem is ReaInsert and wanting to use it and outboard gear as a plug-in. (Instead of sending the processed signal to a new track.) I get horrible feedback when trying this method. If I take the routing to the Mains out - I lose the ability to hear the track! I suppose I just have to send to a new track and take the original source track out of the Main send?
@@nolarocks are you routing the output out through the mains or alt outs. What is your interface?
any tips how I can do this in mid/side mode like in Logic?
now how do you do it without real insert plugin ? routing manuals in master track ?
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so i'm following the video
but some how the signal is coming in earlier than the original track that's sending what i want processed
so when i print, it's over a beat early than the source signal
how is this even possible, i'm so confused
Brilliant and thorough explanation. Thank you!
For Mix bus processing, do you recommend creating a folder and putting all of the other tracks inside, as opposed to just putting ReaInsert on the Master Track?
That should work just fine.
Hey I’m enjoying your vids great job. I’m having an issue when I try to select a region on a track it keeps connecting to timeline loop points how do I fix this
I believe you can enable / disable this by going to "Options-Toggle Loop Points Linked To Time Selection". You can can also find this action in the Actions List.
Hello and thanks for the video. I'm having a lot of problems trying to use external hardware with a portable audio interface, the EVO8. On the rea inserts ins and outs I have renamed the sends as you've suggested but I can't seem to send the track to the matching pair or returns. Also, on the outputs it only shows 1 and 2, no 3 and 4😢
Also, how do tou monitor the wet signal coming from the outboard?
I have the monitoring problem also, followed steps of the video but all I'm hearing is the dry signal.
So I want to start adding outboard gear to my studio, im running an Appolo twin and have been using UAD n waves plugins mostly . My question is, so if I want to use the outboard gear , pre, eq, comp for tracking , and mixing . How would I do that? Say I have multiple tracks like chorus and adlibs and want to change the EQ on the outboard gear on that track ? If I change the setting on the outboard gear it would change it on the other track ? How does the daw save those specific settings on an outboard gear for individual tracks? I can’t wrap my head around this.??
It doesn't! You will have to take a photo or write down your settings on the hardware so you can "recall" it later.
Nice video dude, I pretty much do the same,. Although, i was wondering how you deal the delay compensation? Even after using the ping button on Reainsert audio will still be slightly out of time. Have you noticed this?
You know I've only been mixing with the gear for 2 weeks or so. I did notice that when I print, the audio can be 1 to 3 samples off (which doesn't seem like a huge deal) but I suppose it could make a difference over time with a bunch of tracks. I'll look into it and see if I can figure out a solution. An excuse for another video...;)
You have to add manual compensation.
I print a lot of stuff through hardware using reaper. I actually haven't found a real use for Reainsert because I just use the hardware output section on the MCP. To get around delay compensation I'll put a sound like a click track click in the beginning or end of the original track and print that through the hardware then manually line the waves up in the TCP. It may not be an airtight way to do it, but unless you're only printing one channel of a multimic'd drumset or something horribly phase coherency dependent it will probably be fine. It works better for me because you can just line them up visually and don't have to figure out what the exact offset is.
@@PodPeak instead of rendering by using Record Output: Stereo, use Record Output: Stereo Latency Compensated. This setting incorporates the latency compensation determined by the Ping feature of ReaInsert. Great video and it’s nice to find I’m doing this the same way for my hardware effects.
if your audio interface doesnt have many inputs, can you connect a compressor to a mixer instead?
I’d say so. Just send the out of the mixer to the interface in. Just another link is all it is
Where is the extreme feedback / tin can sound? LOL I send out and return in using the Reainsert and all I get is horrible feedback. I'm clearly overlooking somehting simple.
It only took me 2 years, but I figured it out today! I'm using the Focusrite 2i2 and the 2 "stereo outs" are combined with the front headphone jack. Using both creates a feedback loop of sending and monitoring, so I just unplugged my headphones. On the 4i4 unit, monitoring is set to 3/4 by default so you can't send from 3/4 and monitor UNLESS you go into the Focusrite software and re-route monitoring to 1/2. Hope this helps with whatever setup you have!
I’ve changed my mind about Reaper in the past month. However, I still consider Ableton to be superior, because of LOM, Max integration, Session view and the overall workflow ergonomics. Though, Lua/Python scripting sounds quite good! In Ableton you can accomplish most of the scripting tasks with ClyphX Pro, if you’re looking for similar functionality.
All other DAWs are simply outdated and are not what we want in 2023 as integration engineers. (Maybe good for _musicians_..those logic, protools, etc)
Ok so after many frustrating hours of trying to get a decent signal through send and returns from HW to Interface through ADAT, Ive come to the conclusion that this is basically not going to work. Also, in this day and age with advances in plug in quality and fidelity I just can't see a reason to use inferior external 30 year old hardware. I think Reainsert is a failed attempt at routing sends and returns between hardware devices. Yes I did follow the steps in this video and it simply does not work. I'm unplugging and shelving my old (lousy sounding hardware devices) and boxing them up. Sorry I wasted so much time on it .I guess its 2 days I'll never get back ....