Side Chain Compression vs LFO Tool
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- Which is better for side chain applications? Compressor or LFO tool?
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00:00 - Intro
0:54 - What is Side Chaining?
3:01 - Side Chain Compression How to
5:07 - LFOtool How to
12:57 - A / B Test Non Dynamic
15:01 - A / B Test Dynamic
18:12 - Compression Advantages
20:06 - LFOTool Advantages
22:20 - Which is “better” Rant - Hudba
So nice. Thanks again. I began a researching the issue, because I was convinced that only an LFO does not solve issues all ducking issues . Imagine Heavy NeuroF with heavy double kicks or heavy uses of ghost kicks, the LFO just destroys the audio channel. I found myself going back and forward between both ducking solutions.
So from what I understand, you should use an External Instrument device ANY time you're sending midi to a plugin on different track? Be it ShaperBox, Stutter Edit, Scaler? I've never noticed a latency issue doing it the basic way but there's lots of things I don't notice haha
This video surpassed my expectations of comparing side-chaining with compressors vs LFO. I appreciate how you went into detail into the pros and cons of each technique. Btw, the unnatural sound at 9:48 is a staple of the Com Truise sound =)
thanks a lot for the clarification between compressor/gatekeeper and lfo tool method. actually very nice explained this makes so much sense.
Thanks for the video, your analysis is always appreciated.... I also use a combination of compression and shaping, have 3 volume shapers and use them depending on my mood ... (Gatekeeper, Evade, MRhythmizer) and then Live 8's compressor sometimes...
Great video. So much information (of which most is still a little too advanced for me as me still pretty much being a beginner). Thanks
Great Video! I just would like to say that Shaperbox 2 is a combination of these both LFO tool and stock compression
Good tutorial. Sometimes I do both (compressor and lfo tool) on the same signal. Let LFO handle the attack and the compressor handle the "body" of the signal. Also don't forget about sidechain dynamic EQ. 💯
I would also recommend Trackspacer, very good for sidechain
@ Do you find it quick enuff , for kick + Bass sidechaining duties?
@@sokoleski yes, quick and precise
Second that, specially for the relationship between the kick and bass
I would love to see a comparison between Trackspacer, LFO-Tool and sidechain compression ;)
Thanks for this great video!
I made the thumbs up go from 99 to 100. Pretty happy about that
Hi and thanks for the amazing free video !
Instead of creating a new midi track, is it possible to group the drum instrument and the external instrument into an instrument rack ?
It works well and I guess the latency is still compensated.
Great stuff, as always. :)
Love the end mate, nailed it, in regards to internet gurus 🤙🏼
Great video I really enjoy the channel. I believe you can just group the simpler with the kick or snare and add the external instrument (in a chain) instead of creating a whole new track with the midi.
Exactly !
Awesome....thank YOU!!
Love that you took a subject that’s over discussed and pushed on new producers for more YT views and show it is just like other areas of production where it just depends on material. Learning always has areas of bad information and sometimes that’s how you learn by thinking that’s how it’s done till you realize it’s wrong. I appreciate your stop the bs teaching it’s material dependent so let’s look at the results attitude
Thank you for the vídeo.
My suggestion is to have a good osciloscope after that.
Because phase issues and dB sum may occour after a bass+kick hit. And this is not good.
Sometimes, the full level to zero is the only way.
Sometimes, tô duck the bass only with the fundamental freqs from the kick will cut.
with the sidechain tool from ableton, do both signals have to be audio? in your first example you ducked the bass and synth for the kick and snare drum. Was the bass and synth both audio ? I assumed the synth was midi and it made me wonder if they both have to be audio. Can I duck a midi synth using the sidechain compression tool if the drums are audio?
Nice comparison. Now, could you have grouped Ext Inst with the drum rack, so you wouldn’t have to create a duplicate track?
Exactly... i do that aswell, grouped Ext Inst, on the actual midi drum track , then i don't have to create a separate 'trig' track
I know this is old but do you have any tips to achieve that vowel-esque reese bass in the video? Thats really cool!
the sidechain compressor has an eq on the input signal as well
I almost always set the knee to the lowest setting for more surgical side chain compression when triggering bass compressor with kick. Do you?
Soothe 2 has frequency side chain feature. That is unique feature that allows you to solve frequency conflicts between sounds, not only kick/bass, but also with rest of the sounds.
I'd say soothe2 is more about frequencies conflict surgery, so if you need ducking in your sound, compressor is probably better choice than soothe2 at least regarding CPU usage.
@@TapeGone If you need suttle sidechain, for example boomy kick and bass guitar - then it might be better solution. But that's an option, not a rule :)
@@DmitryPuffin yes, soothe2 is super transparent, that's true, absolutely love it
Quality.
how do you feel about gatekeeper?
F yeah Anthony LET'S GIDDIT
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If you don't already own ableton live then yep its 40% off for new users via the edu discount!
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@@TheSmkfts the discount link is included in the course content in any of the courses on my website. One way or another make sure you watch the webinar video as I offer a discount on the bundle at the end.
@@SeedtoStage Great! Thanks so much on all the info Anthony!
Why I have problemas when using lfo tool, like if it doesnt in phase? It acts after the kick hits, I mean it doesnt fuck when the kick hits but after. It happen with the lf tool and shaperbox
Use external midi or the inbuilt offset control in lfotool to line it up
Can you do a video on lfo tool vs tal lfo?
top!
For me the compressors give a more natural response and also the klick and chore of duplicating in LFO tool it's more time, that could be spent choosing a nice compressor to also add flavor
He didn’t even put any of the Lfo tool at the beginning of the bar so there’s no attack from the lfo tool. That could be why
so its not common to slap lfo tool just on the instrument you wanna duck and play with the envelope?
What do you think about Slynk's new Duck Buddy?
It looks like a game changer.
LOL downloading it now. I just discovered it this morning. Gonna see how it compares.
Nothing new
why does each track have to be copied in the LFO tool example? i dont understand why you cant use the actual track itself?
abletons compressor also have a built in feq splitter that can make it so that certain frequencies also bypasses the sidechain, or at least thats what i think not 100% sure. i never use it
Abletons compressor features a sidechain eq / filter which can make the compressor react to whatever frequencies you choose but that isn't the same thing as a a split. The split instead bypasses the effect using a special crossover.
@@SeedtoStage oh i see, ty
Tal Filter -2 is an insanely smooth grade A quality LFO tool for FREE. Super simple 'does exactly what it says on the tin' interface.
Instead of copying the midi data from the kick track to the ext instrument track (in the lfo tool example). Could you use monitor midi in on the ext instrument track and set the midi input to the kick track? Would this have latency issues?
I've been investigating this a bit.. But I fail to understand how the external instrument inserted on a midi-channel without an exposure to the audio return is able to calculate for the latency compensation. To me it sounds like the external instrument plug in needs to know the time difference between the midi trigger and the audio return to the inserted plug to calculate the latency. I fail to see something here.
The first method to me even sounds better (using the midi-from) to the channel containing the LFO too), because kick track is time compensated because it generate both midi and audio. Copying the midi from the acting kick track to an empty one as a trigger, introduces in my opinion the same problem as with the external instrument tool without an audio return path. I'm just thinking out load here.
Instead of using racks to split frequencies for a e.g low end only ducking with Compressor, simply use Multiband Dynamics instead ;-)
How did you find out that using MIDI send to LFO tool has latency whereas external instrument does not?
Years of trial and error. You also need to use external instrumet if you want to send midi out of live into external midi instruments to compensate for your sets latency
So why is everyone like Slynk & ELPHNT talking about sidechains in the same time😄
boris brejcha do not use compressors...