I was cleaning out and consolidating my old cleaning kit today. I decided to order one of these little Otis kits. I'm looking forward to trying it out later. I also want to make an even smaller kit that fits inside the grip of my M4.
Sometimes the firearm dictates. My .22 pump actions are both made before 1970 and the chamber is small and a rod is all I can use. Was introduced to Otis 12 years ago in the military and the kit I was issued had both a coated sectional rod and cables. Still use it today. Thanks Otis.
As a new gun owner of a mp shield plus 9mm this video really helped me a lot. I’ve been trying to decide on my first cleaning kilt and chemicals but I have all the options very overwhelming. Thank you for the video!!
While I prefer to use the rod for cleaning my rifles I always keep a compact cable cleaning kit in my bag for whenever I'm out in the field. Only bc I'd rather have it and not need it than, need it and not have it.
Same. I use cables in the field, and have rods at the bench. The rods can be used for clearing obstructions, etc in the worst case. The rods are also necessary if you are using a chamber brush that you should not pull all the way through.
IIRC, the first breech loading military rifles used pull thru cleaning kits. When the metal jointed cleaning rods were developed, it was the intent for the soldiers to insert the rod into the barrel and attach the slotted tip or brush and clean from breech to muzzle. The soldiers quickly learned that was too much trouble…. I have used OTIS system for a long time on everything except the firearms I can clean from the breech with a rod…. Great gear you guys make!!!
Interesting choice of footage for a nearly half hour video. Every time he mentions something the cable is so great at… I’m thinking of why couldn’t a rod do the same thing as well or even better? Who knows, he never shows how good it works, just says it does, but NOW we offer both. hmm…
interesting video. as a bench shooter i run a ripcord through at the range, then i only clean the chamber at home using a rod and patches to get the carbon ring. then down the road using a bore scope will determine if a more thorough cleaning is needed of the barrel. cheers
When they came out with boresnake or the cable where that has the attachment at the end for a jag or brush and pull through / pull out, kinda game changer vs plain old boresnakes . . . my SA revolvers love it that I can brush out in the direction of the bullet, or and to brush the lever action bore, I don't have to take apart my lever action, so I can hot rod it . . . just use the cable with brush on it . . . I kinda LOL at some of the gun range myth guys or AR forum where they say "micronized diamonds" from carbon residue (heat and pressure, what diya think a bullet and powder does?) form and subsequent boresnaking "puts all 'em micro diamonds, hardest mat on earth, scratching up that barrel".
It'd be helpful to demonstrate how the product works. For example, id like to clean from breech to muzzle, and prefer a rod, but don't know if your rod is push or pull. I'd like a pull method with a rod, yet I don't know if your product can do that. Otherwise, thanks for the video.
Pulling through a bore snake is like ramming 500 patches through your bore in one pass, bore snake is the better choice for a spotless barrel with no wear.
I use the rod for intensive cleaning, and the pull through for the quick clean. In 4 calibers. 22, .30, 9mm, 12 gauge. I know 30 call. Will fit 9 mm but my 9mm is pistol and the. 30 is a rifle.
Aluminum rods are not going to damage steel old wives tale. And they are not full of oxidation either. The last thing you run through is a oiled patch preventing oxidation that is not there to begin with. Aluminum is just weak and easier to bend or break.
Any aluminum exposed to oxygen forms a layer of Al2O3. As soon as you scratch it forms a new layer. BUT, that layer is not as hard as one formed by anodizing. It depends.
What if you run the rod in a pulling motion to accomplish that same pull on the patch? How much of a difference do you think a brass rod w/ bore guide makes opposed to a snake? I’m a new shooter so I’m trying to learn all I can. The gun community is filled with a mix of myths and facts and it’s tough for me to separate the two when talking to your average joe.
The pull through cable system works great to pull through the ejection port of most firearms without disassembly. It would be difficult or impossible to tie an Otis patch on a rod inside the breech/ejection port area of the firearm to pull it through from breech to muzzle. Rod cleaning is typically done in a indoor setting at a bench and it isn't as portable as the Otis Cleaning Kits or Ripcord pull-through bore cleaner. They all have their place; in the field, at the gun range or the gun bench.
Very disappointed in the video. You can use either a square or a round patch in either system. One can put a hole in the middle of either patch using the Otis System. I use round patches primarily with jags with rods. Again you can use either patch square or round. Lots of wind no substance. I have AR's and use the Otis System but use bolts mostly and use rods. You are not going to scrub the bore with the Otis System like you can with a rod and bore brush. You would have done better with a show and tell but your bench talk was honestly nonsubstance.
I prefer rod for handgun and cable for long gun. I tried to use three pieces rod to clean a rifle. One clean later the join between rods got loose and broke. Cable don’t have that issue
"everyone says it’s easy to damage crown with Otis" just the fact that you said "everyone" you know its a false statement. I've never said that so obviously you were being a bit dramatic saying "everyone"
We only offer 2 sizes for small caliber cleaning. 2" round patches for pull-through cleaning and 1" square for use with jags and they can be used with .17 pierce point jags.
Not to be argumentative, but I own a Marlin 30-30 Lever action and a Remington Model 700 30-06 bolt action. Cleaning breach to muzzle on both, are very easy with a rod. The bolts come right out leaving the clear passage for cleaning. There is, however, the extra few inches of travel, so an extra rod may be necessary. But still, NO issues.
You're correct. We have a video on lever action cleaning coming out this month. For cleaning the bore without disassembly we maintain that a Memory Flex Cable is the way to go.
Wrapping a mop or brush won’t work for a pull through cleaning method. The tied patches work great. Once you get the hang of it they are a game changer. We do offer rod cleaning jags and square patches for those who prefer traditional cleaning methods.
The coating on Otis Memory Flex cables is nylon and no, there is not a risk of any metal particles being picked up by the coating. Whatever cleaning method you use; your patch or brush would pull any debris out of the barrel pressing into your lands and grooves; while your cable rarely contacts the bore itself . If you do have visible metal particles in your barrel you may want to have it inspected by a gunsmith.
@@cliffcox7643 .22 tend to shoot very dirty with a lot of fouling. if you're using our pull-through method with the Memory Flex cable you wouldn't use a jag; you would use a slotted tip with a patch with CLP, then a brush; and finish with a dry patch on a slotted tip. If you're using a sectional rod or a solid cleaning rod with jag and patch with CLP, then brush, then dry patch. For both methods repeat until clean. Always clean breech-to-muzzle.
Unlike the product you mentioned our Ripcord has a cable core with a 400lb pull strength; very unlikely to break, even under extreme intentional stress.
Been using only bore snakes for 25+ years and never broke one. Also, if it was hard to pull I stopped. Lastly, inspect your tools prior to use. If they are faulty don't use them.
I was cleaning out and consolidating my old cleaning kit today. I decided to order one of these little Otis kits. I'm looking forward to trying it out later. I also want to make an even smaller kit that fits inside the grip of my M4.
Sometimes the firearm dictates. My .22 pump actions are both made before 1970 and the chamber is small and a rod is all I can use. Was introduced to Otis 12 years ago in the military and the kit I was issued had both a coated sectional rod and cables. Still use it today. Thanks Otis.
As a new gun owner of a mp shield plus 9mm this video really helped me a lot. I’ve been trying to decide on my first cleaning kilt and chemicals but I have all the options very overwhelming. Thank you for the video!!
Cool concept. Definitely want one. 20 minute video, wish they would have showed it in action.
While I prefer to use the rod for cleaning my rifles I always keep a compact cable cleaning kit in my bag for whenever I'm out in the field. Only bc I'd rather have it and not need it than, need it and not have it.
Same. I use cables in the field, and have rods at the bench. The rods can be used for clearing obstructions, etc in the worst case. The rods are also necessary if you are using a chamber brush that you should not pull all the way through.
IIRC, the first breech loading military rifles used pull thru cleaning kits. When the metal jointed cleaning rods were developed, it was the intent for the soldiers to insert the rod into the barrel and attach the slotted tip or brush and clean from breech to muzzle. The soldiers quickly learned that was too much trouble…. I have used OTIS system for a long time on everything except the firearms I can clean from the breech with a rod…. Great gear you guys make!!!
I use bore snakes, cables, and rods depending on my mood
Interesting choice of footage for a nearly half hour video.
Every time he mentions something the cable is so great at… I’m thinking of why couldn’t a rod do the same thing as well or even better? Who knows, he never shows how good it works, just says it does, but NOW we offer both. hmm…
interesting video. as a bench shooter i run a ripcord through at the range, then i only clean the chamber at home using a rod and patches to get the carbon ring. then down the road using a bore scope will determine if a more thorough cleaning is needed of the barrel. cheers
I’d say the most benefit that using a rod over a cable is being able to clear an obstruction in the barrel.
When they came out with boresnake or the cable where that has the attachment at the end for a jag or brush and pull through / pull out, kinda game changer vs plain old boresnakes . . . my SA revolvers love it that I can brush out in the direction of the bullet, or and to brush the lever action bore, I don't have to take apart my lever action, so I can hot rod it . . . just use the cable with brush on it . . .
I kinda LOL at some of the gun range myth guys or AR forum where they say "micronized diamonds" from carbon residue (heat and pressure, what diya think a bullet and powder does?) form and subsequent boresnaking "puts all 'em micro diamonds, hardest mat on earth, scratching up that barrel".
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It'd be helpful to demonstrate how the product works.
For example, id like to clean from breech to muzzle, and prefer a rod, but don't know if your rod is push or pull. I'd like a pull method with a rod, yet I don't know if your product can do that.
Otherwise, thanks for the video.
Pulling through a bore snake is like ramming 500 patches through your bore in one pass, bore snake is the better choice for a spotless barrel with no wear.
I use the rod for intensive cleaning, and the pull through for the quick clean. In 4 calibers. 22, .30, 9mm, 12 gauge. I know 30 call. Will fit 9 mm but my 9mm is pistol and the. 30 is a rifle.
Rods are hard to use on a lever gun
Aluminum rods are not going to damage steel old wives tale. And they are not full of oxidation either. The last thing you run through is a oiled patch preventing oxidation that is not there to begin with. Aluminum is just weak and easier to bend or break.
Any aluminum exposed to oxygen forms a layer of Al2O3. As soon as you scratch it forms a new layer. BUT, that layer is not as hard as one formed by anodizing. It depends.
What if you run the rod in a pulling motion to accomplish that same pull on the patch? How much of a difference do you think a brass rod w/ bore guide makes opposed to a snake? I’m a new shooter so I’m trying to learn all I can. The gun community is filled with a mix of myths and facts and it’s tough for me to separate the two when talking to your average joe.
The pull through cable system works great to pull through the ejection port of most firearms without disassembly. It would be difficult or impossible to tie an Otis patch on a rod inside the breech/ejection port area of the firearm to pull it through from breech to muzzle.
Rod cleaning is typically done in a indoor setting at a bench and it isn't as portable as the Otis Cleaning Kits or Ripcord pull-through bore cleaner. They all have their place; in the field, at the gun range or the gun bench.
Very disappointed in the video. You can use either a square or a round patch in either system. One can put a hole in the middle of either patch using the Otis System. I use round patches primarily with jags with rods. Again you can use either patch square or round. Lots of wind no substance. I have AR's and use the Otis System but use bolts mostly and use rods. You are not going to scrub the bore with the Otis System like you can with a rod and bore brush. You would have done better with a show and tell but your bench talk was honestly nonsubstance.
Five minute video packed into twenty-two minutes and forty- nine seconds. 😂
I tried a rod once....got a cable and never went back...Otis by the way.
I prefer rod for handgun and cable for long gun. I tried to use three pieces rod to clean a rifle. One clean later the join between rods got loose and broke. Cable don’t have that issue
Thanks for the comment - We also offer 36" solid rod from Otis now
@@OtisTechnology Do you offer that 36 inch rod in a small enough diameter to accommodate the .17 bore ?
@@ArkansasBadBoy Not currently; our smallest diameter cleaning rod is .22
..and it is on the list for the new product team. Thank you!
What about damage to crown of the rifle , everyone says it’s easy to damage crown with Otis . I use the Otis cable so talk me off the ledge please
Otis components will not damage your crown.
"everyone says it’s easy to damage crown with Otis" just the fact that you said "everyone" you know its a false statement. I've never said that so obviously you were being a bit dramatic saying "everyone"
@@Physics072 the first test in every narcissistic exam is how do ppl respond to a blanket “everyone “ statement .
Been using Otis since 1998 because of the cable due to the cable's flexibility......
Is it better than ratchet rods scrapping the bore ?
Don’t use jags, why? Hook through the cable end and pull.
its ok to run a jag or brush back n forth? but better to run breech to mzzl? smooth n rifled bores.....
We exclusively recommend and teach Breech-to-Muzzle® gun cleaning. It's the proper way to clean firearms.
i have a AR9 PCC. 8.3" barrel. what would u recommend.. too much chit chatting.
I have a 17hmr, the patches are to small to put on like you demonstrated, could I use a 22 patch without having to struggle pulling through barrel?
We only offer 2 sizes for small caliber cleaning. 2" round patches for pull-through cleaning and 1" square for use with jags and they can be used with .17 pierce point jags.
is the Otis cable coated or covered with something softer than steel?
Yes, the Memory Flex cable is coated.
If it’s not a bolt action then cable period.
Not to be argumentative, but I own a Marlin 30-30 Lever action and a Remington Model 700 30-06 bolt action. Cleaning breach to muzzle on both, are very easy with a rod. The bolts come right out leaving the clear passage for cleaning. There is, however, the extra few inches of travel, so an extra rod may be necessary. But still, NO issues.
You're correct. We have a video on lever action cleaning coming out this month. For cleaning the bore without disassembly we maintain that a Memory Flex Cable is the way to go.
Just hate the idea of "proprietary patches" and sizes, could just as well be wrapped on a mop head.
Wrapping a mop or brush won’t work for a pull through cleaning method. The tied patches work great. Once you get the hang of it they are a game changer. We do offer rod cleaning jags and square patches for those who prefer traditional cleaning methods.
@OtisTechnology not the only system to do so, just my two cents on things that should cost two cents to make and just as effective I suppose.
I heard NOT to use rubber coated rods cause the pick up metal particles in the rubber and can damage the barrel.. True?
The coating on Otis Memory Flex cables is nylon and no, there is not a risk of any metal particles being picked up by the coating. Whatever cleaning method you use; your patch or brush would pull any debris out of the barrel pressing into your lands and grooves; while your cable rarely contacts the bore itself . If you do have visible metal particles in your barrel you may want to have it inspected by a gunsmith.
@@OtisTechnology So, may I ask, on a .22, they don't get copper fouling, do you Jag, and brush and swab?
@@cliffcox7643 .22 tend to shoot very dirty with a lot of fouling. if you're using our pull-through method with the Memory Flex cable you wouldn't use a jag; you would use a slotted tip with a patch with CLP, then a brush; and finish with a dry patch on a slotted tip. If you're using a sectional rod or a solid cleaning rod with jag and patch with CLP, then brush, then dry patch. For both methods repeat until clean. Always clean breech-to-muzzle.
Is it possible to damage crown of ar 15 using Otis cable patch and brass jag?
No, Otis components are made from brass which is softer than steel. Our Memory Flex Cables are coated as to not damage the crown
He won't say what was a sorry cleaning kit he's probably referring to outers
In my day we didn’t have cable’s in the Marine’s !!!!!!
back in your day you didn't have a lot of things. so does that mean you're going to continue being outdated?
@@kimber3865 I do fine my weapons are clean & work well!!!!
8 minutes into the video and still haven't gotten around to showing the actual products. Too much breeze, not enough show. I'm out.
Talk too much! Too long video to watch.
These guys need to get to the point.too much chitchatting
Stupid info-mercial
Talk way to much
If you ever had a bore snake break in the barrel, and get stuck, you were instantly converted to a cleaning rod guy. Don’t ask me how I know.
Unlike the product you mentioned our Ripcord has a cable core with a 400lb pull strength; very unlikely to break, even under extreme intentional stress.
Been using only bore snakes for 25+ years and never broke one. Also, if it was hard to pull I stopped. Lastly, inspect your tools prior to use. If they are faulty don't use them.