Installing The Perimeter Drain And Foundation Sealer
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- čas přidán 6. 12. 2021
- Installing the perimeter drain and foundation sealer. Dad came by yesterday and powerwashed the blocks and today we are going to paint on the foundation sealer. Mar Flex is the brand we are using and it paints on much easier than I thought it would. It starts out brown but as it dries it turns black. Then the following day I got the fabric and the pipe placed, then started backfilling with clean rock. It's 3/4" washed limestone I am using. It's a bit tedious using the fabric but it does help keep the rock and dirt from mixing. I'll be back tomorrow to finish daylighting the pipe and backfilling. Thanks for watching! #EliteEarthworks #Takeuchi #PerimeterDrain
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Not many people would take the time to do this job with such attention to detail. Well done.
Thank you! It was kind of a pain that way but I feel better about it
I'm a civil/geotechnical engineering design technologist and the drain tile holes are supposed to be oriented downwards at 5 and 7 o'clock. As the water table rises from the bottom (not from the top from rain), it infills through these holes and flows down the narrow solid section of pipe at 6 o'clock to the drain outlet. Holes at the top encourages silt contamination of the pipe leading to blockages. This methodology is also performed on much larger drainage pipe diameters for highway retaining walls etc.
I thought that’s how I put them but I’ll have to go back and watch it. This is an old video
@@eliteearthworksllc You did it correctly in your video, but mentioned there was controversy on the hole orientation, so I thought I would chime in...
@@SailingCatamaranElement ok good deal yes that’s always a big debate lol I appreciate your input.
What about slope on a French drain?? We have always installed them level. Water finds its way down the pipe . The exit pipe does slope to daylight but all the pipe around the foundation is level .
@@Nctbgs When you place a pipe at 0% grade around a foundation, you are dictating that the water level does not go above that level as ground water rises from the bottom up. So making sure the drain pipe (smooth PVC is best rather than slotted ribbed pipe) is at the base of the footing and not on top of the footing is strongly recommended. When we design retaining walls , ideally we would like to see a minimum of 0.5% grade and up to 2% drainage grade to an outlet if possible and this also apply to French drains directing water away from an area...
Thankfully for this
I did the same type of waterproofing on my own house. Transmissible fleece all around stones and drainage. Ended it just short under the surface level, works marvelous. Well done Sir!
Good deal! Hopefully this one works good and stays dry
Outstanding work.
Thank you!
My back and knees started hurting just watching you painting that foundation sealer on. Glad to see you do what you know is right, no matter what the "internet debate" says. Anyone can be an "expert" on the internet.
Lol yeah my back was feeling it. That is so true lots of experts 🤣
Nice job! Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for watching!
I just started working on my cabins drainage issues and I am reassured to see that your process will be what is needed for me to get the best results. With a slight incline on one side I might back fill with some class 5 to help transition the soil up to the fabric. Thanks for the fine detail.
Good to hear. Drainage issues can definitely be a pain. That sounds like a good plan on the backfill to me. 👍🏻
Just one corner to repair? That is phenomenal. So few old basements survive without cracks in every wall.
You did a nice job of layering that stone up the wall. It’s a lot of work to do it that way… but the right way IMHO.
You’re getting good at sprinkle spreading stone with that bucket. It saves a bunch of rake and shovel work.
I agree holes down. Water will come inside as long as it doesn’t become air locked. The second row of holes above provides plenty of air infiltration. Even if the end is underwater.
Stay warm…
Yeah it’s actually held up pretty well for as old as it is. Thank you! I feel like it should work out nicely. It looks like it’s going to be warmer for the next few days then back cold again lol
I need this done to my house with a basement! Well work sir!
Thank you! It was an interesting job
Another awesome job Brandon
Thank you! 👍🏻
Great video man. Appreciate it. About to start this project myself.
Thank you! Good luck!
Good job Brandon as usual 👌
Thanks man!
Great job my man!!
Thank you! 👍🏻
We just finished up doing pretty much the same. We used a 4” knife slot drain tile with sock, burrito wrapped that with stone and fabric. The drain tile was tied into existing drain tile which runs to the sump pump. We didn’t do the seal coat, we used the Platon dimple membrane and then applied a 1.5” XPS insulation board. Backfilled 5ft of 3/4” clear stone, fabric on top and then 18” of topsoil. We also ran the sump pump discharge into the city storm drain. Job well done.
Nice sounds like you guys did a great job as well. I need to look into that dimple board I’ve never messed with it. Appreciate you watching
How is thay working for you today? Some videos are saying water can't enter through the fabric with soul on top of it..
Looks like it will work! Nice job
Thank you! I hope so 😁🤞🏻
That was an real drainage install, way more clean rock than we use, we try to minimize the width of the clean rock going up the wall to keep cost down, and we also use an bigger grade of rock that is cheaper after the pipe is covered. Rocks cost a lot here and transport into the site. But well done looks great 👍
Thank you! Yeah I went a bit overkill on the rock lol! I thought about using bigger stone too. Our rock isn’t terribly expensive yet but can definitely add up. Appreciate you watching
We bench ours back as well. We put sealer from the bottom of the footings up the wall 2 feet. Then we install MS Delta dimple board from bottom of footing to top of grade using the urethane supplied sealer across the top so that no water gets behind the dimple board from above. We also us the fabric in our ditch underneath and wrap around. We usually backfill with 3.5 inch pea rock because it is cheaper than 57 stone but still a washed rock. The pipe is holes down like you showed. Looks good.
Cool you are the second person to mention the dimple board to me I need to check that stuff out. That’s a good idea on the rock too. I almost got a few loads of 3” didn’t figured it matter as long as it’s clean rock. Appreciate the comment man
@@eliteearthworksllc the Delta MS can be bought in various heights and they sell all the fasteners, sealant, and stuff as a complete set up. You can buy direct as a contractor. If you decide to do so holler and I will get you an email of someone you can talk with. I was introduced to it in 2006 by a mechanical engineer I built and ICF house for.
Well that is another job down the drain. :) Have a good week.
Lol thank you! 😁
Great job on that. You’re really skilled with the excavator
Thanks man! I enjoy running it
good install overall, couple of tips for anyone else learning from this video. On the horizontal to horizontal corners of the drain pipe, it would be better to use two 45 couplings instead of one 90. This helps keep velocity up and lowers the likelihood of a clog there. Also, I don't think a cleanout was installed the pipe system. It would be a very low cost thing to do that will improve the lifespan of the drain because you can snake it.
One more thing, generally the asphalt manufacturers state to protect the coating against sharp rocks so filling gravel directly against it is not ideal. Again, little more $ but buy some thin 1" blue board XPS insulation. You will get a small amount of thermal insulation and keep the asphalt safe.
Other than that, fantastic job.
Thank you! Those are some great pointers. I will definitely keep that in mind on the next one 👍🏻
Damn good work buddy, they won't have a bit of issues with that, should drain really good, thanks for sharing 💪🇺🇸
Thanks man! I hope so it has plenty of rock lol!
Really nice job!! After I bed my perf pipe I usaully put my gutter pipe on top before I backfill with dirt. That way I get all the fall I want. Sump pump will never run again!!!!
That’s a good idea too! I hope it keeps it dry. Appreciate the comment man
Nice job!.......yup, holes down is the way to do it...
Thank you! Ok good! 😁
Machines the key , makes that job fun
Yes they do!
You're right Brandon about the hole alignment in this type of application. Holes go down.
Good deal that made the most sense to me
I had this conversation a few years ago with a couple of the pipe manufacturers reps from Advanced Drainage Systems about their ADS 3000 HDPE Triple Wall perforated. They said to put down a thin layer of clean gravel on top of the filter fabric, set the slope with the gravel and then place the pipe with the perforations down...
@@davecrable1356 awesome! Good to know that’s what made the most sense to me. Thanks!
You did right! Nice job! That customer should be very happy.
Thank you! Yes they are. Hopefully the basement stays nice and dry
I dont get involved in those debates. I do it the way I was shown and the way that has worked for 26 years with no customer complaints. Bells up hill, holes down, and a full wrap of the gravel bed. I can't tell a guy he did his job wrong if I'm not paying him or have a vested interest in it. You did a really nice job on this one. That looked great. Stay safe brother.
I like the comments that actually have some good experience behind them!! Thanks, I keep on learnin!
Thank you! I agree best to steer clear of those debates lol. But yes we do them the same and it’s worked so far for me as well 👍🏻 Appreciate you watching
Don't see why it won't work out perfectly. All is going to plan. Great job 👍👍👍
Thank you! I hope it does!
I faced holes up on my French drain because I tied gutter drain into it and didn’t want leaves hanging in the holes. But that is an excellent job, yes that SDR 35 is much better than corrugated pipe.
That’s a good idea too. Yeah I really like that sdr stuff. Definitely stronger and reasonable priced
One thing I learned the hard way , never ever tie gutters into a French drain . The gutters should stay in a solid pipe all the way to daylight .
@artlover3419 yes you never want those two together
@@Nctbgs it was just 1 gutter of the side of my garage, about 25’ of gutter.
WOW! Man, you certainly put a lot of work into all those layers like some fancy wedding cake! NO, NO, I'm not ranking a job that came out looking that well. When our house was built the builder laid the white plastic pipe on crushed stone base then put about a 2 foot 45 degree of more crushed stone (3/4 to 1 1/2") then dirt then 120' to a storm drain. Mine works but yours looks more efficient! You GUYS done good, AGAIN!
I had a similar experience through my nephew and a house my wife had done. Brandon has put 5 times more stone in here and layered it and contoured it very well! Hoping you are doing well Sonny!!
Thank you! I always go overkill on these I only want to do it once lol! Appreciate you watching 👍🏻
Thank you! I went a bit crazy with the stone 😁
@@eliteearthworksllc - Go big or go home!! Hahaha!! Like I said in another comment. If they chose to put in larger windows it will be easy to tie the window well into the weeping tile! (We call it weeping tile up here in Southern Alberta, or so I understand. Not sure if that’s 100% correct.)
@@shitloveaduck All's well I hope and likewise for you! I love how we come to BRANDON's yard so we can gab! Take care!
That place could withstand a flood now and stay dry! And you didn't even get that Mar Flex all over you - I know I'd have been covered!
I hope so! Yeah I was surprised I didn’t have more on me lol
Did the same at my place only different thing I did I put a clean out something I didn’t see should’ve considered it for future use or issues otherwise looks good 🤙🏽
Thanks! Yeah I figured with that much clean rock it wouldn’t need a clean out for anything but not a bad idea nonetheless
The reason for holes on top and holes on bottom. Holes on bottom so if water gets to pipe will enter holes and for holes on top is incase water rises it will enter holes on top!
That is correct
Awesome I’m about to be doing this with my home home much I’d it cost u roughly in stone n pipe
I think around $2800 for the stone and pipe
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Thanks! 👍🏻
Howdy Elites! 🤠
Howdy!
Very nice, clean job guys. Thank you for your hard work and effort to make this video. Question, Do you guys give any warranties to the customers for the job like this one? Thank you again.
Thank you! I don’t really have any warranty for something like cause you just never know but if it was to leak soon after or in a small rain I would come back and fix it
Hi de France, super travail professionnel.
Vous êtes vraiment gentil de répondre à tout le monde.
N'est ce pas là le but des vidéos ?
Le partage de savoir, d'expérience et de connaissances Communes. Great very good job 👍.
Thank you! Yeah I just try to show people how I do the work I get and what goes into it. Appreciate you watching
If the black corrugated weeping tile filled in and collapsed most of the time, ya think it would still be on the market? I dunno, just wondering. Im about to purchase some weep and was steering towards the corrugated stuff with the sock
I’m just not a fan of it but a lot of people still use it. I like the sdr 35 cause you don’t have to worry about it. If you go with the corrugated don’t get the sock on it. Clean rock is natural filtration and that sock does get clogged and restrict the water from getting in there
Hey Brandon, great vidgle. Have you thought about getting a swivel bucket attachment for your Mini-ex like what's on Chris' Yanmar?
Thank you! Yeah hopefully I’ll get a tilt bucket one of these days! 🤞🏻
Brandon, if I put that coating on, my clothes would be in the trash, I’d be washing with gasoline to get it off me. And wife wouldn’t let me in the house.
😂
Lol it was pretty messy I probably ruined my shirt
How do you get 1/8”/ft of fall across such a long distance while still being below/beside the footer for the whole run? (As opposed to having to start above the footer and/or end up below the foundation)
It starts closer to the top of the footing then I just check it with my laser level as I go to ensure the proper fall
Great co-worker you had their Brandon Australian Cattle Dog or Blue Healer depending what camp you are in, very loyal dog plenty of energy.
She was really friendly every time I was out of the machine she was right there
Holes go down. The bell is on the uphill end. The water will have a nice smooth transition from one pipe to the other. If the bell is downhill, the water will catch on the pipe inside the bell. Think like water.
That is correct that’s how I have everything 👍🏻
The drain pipe right up close to the footer is the proper way? Ive seen / read other places saying the pipe needs to go 2 - 3 feet from the foundation. I guess if it works. I'm just honestly confused, trying to figure it out
Yes you want the pipe right up against the footing and below the top of the footing so the water finds the pipe before it can make its way up to where the wall meets the footing
Would a mini skid steer be more effeceinr for back filling? If you had one
I don’t think so probably take longer and it would be tough to reach the edge of the trench
Nice job! The only thing I don’t understand is why not insulate the walls from the outside now that all that dirt has been digged up? 20cm of EPS insulation would have helped a lot.
Thank you! I’m never heard of it on the outside. Seems like the rock and water would damage it but I could be wrong
Not sure our curtain drain has worked from day one. We have standing water in the crawl space and what appears to be mold. New construction and we've only been here 6 months. Any suggestions? Thanks for the great vids!
Sounds like it doesn’t have a drain or no clean rock around the drain. The clean rock is more important than the pipe, it needs it for the water to travel through. You may have to dig down and see if they installed a pipe or the clean rock
The jobs we get into😉. But 💰💰💰
Anything for a friend-for a FEE
That’s right lol
Really nice video. Thank you for doing this. I'm about to start new construction and would just ask a couple of questions: 1. Is there anything that you would do different for new construction? 2. Do you remember the name of the rubber sealent or perhaps where to purchase? Thanks again.
Thank you! I would do it the same way for new construction. I bought it from a building supply store. I’ll see if I can find the name of it.
I need to do this to my house. Would you recommend I go for it with hand tools if Ive never used an excavator? Or would this be the ideal trial by fire opportunity to rent one and learn? I certainly can not afford a professional, as unfortunate as that may be.
I’d say if you have to dig down quite a bit your best bet would be to rent an excavator and get some seat time. You don’t want to leave the hole open too long and hand work would be tough
A helluva job and a helluva video. Look up the word “meticulous” in the dictionary and I find your picture under the word. I love watching you go over the stone with a shovel and carefully cover it over with the tarp by hand. Then more stone, more tarp, more dirt. The funniest part of the video was an ad put in by a local company that does foundation work. I’m watching the best in the business already. Maybe this advertiser should make a video so we can see if he can measure up to you, but I think we already know the answer to that. I would say Keep up the excellent work, but you’re going to whether I say it or not.
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Thank you! I appreciate that! 🤣 that’s hilarious on the ad, it would be interesting to see if he does anything different. I really appreciate the comment 👍🏻
But you can't plant anything around the house now with all that gravel. Was that really necessary?
You can plant stuff cause I put about 12” of dirt back. Yes the rock is very necessary for making sure the water drains and gets away from the house
It is better to backfill with gravel instead of dirt correct ?
Yes it needs the clean rock because the water runs through it much quicker than it can dirt
Zdravim vas a problem s mokrymi zakladmi ste uz nemali? Chystam sa aj ja okolo rodinneho domu riesit drenaž a dufam ze to pomoze mokrym zakladom pretoze to mam mokre az 1.2m nad zemou.
Yes that’s the problem they had at this house which is why I did the perimeter drain
@@eliteearthworksllc Thank you
Have a question have a similar problem where water is going down the back yard into the crawl space of the house and I have at least 6 to 8 feet of concrete on top like 3 inches thickness of concrete between back yard grass, to the house walls, water is going under the footing or base, do I need to break concrete to get closer to house walls or can it be done from 6 to 8 feet ?
That’s tough to say most of the time you need to dig down next to the footing to install the drain and rock. But you may be able to dig at the end of that concrete if you can get it 6” lower than the footing and maybe the water will find that clean rock and drain out that way. It’s possible the water is getting in where that concrete pad meets the side of the crawlspace so it may not work from the outside but it’s definitely worth a try to not have to tear out that concrete
thank you so much
@@eliteearthworksllc
No clean out pipes on the drain pipe?
No with that much clean rock I don’t see the pipe ever clogging with anything
Is that a tilt rotator attachment on the excavator ? I couldn't remember.
No just a backwards bucket lol
@@eliteearthworksllc I got it
No debate. Holes go down. The pipe provides the channel for water to move out
I agree
How much of a slope does it need? You said it doesn’t need a ton of fall…but what does that translate to? 1/8 inch? Less?
Yes 1/8” is perfect
@@eliteearthworksllc How do you handle a long run then? Like if it’s 60 feet youre dropping 7 inches?
@@AaronPlay if you have to drop that much in 60’ it’s no problem you can drop it as much as you want. Septic is the only thing you really have to worry about too much fall
@@eliteearthworksllc ok thanks. I guess I was just confused, because that puts the drain pipe so far below the top of the footer. It’d be almost an entire foot under with 4” pipe.
Really nice install! What type of fabric did you use? How wide x how long? Where did you buy it? Do you have any concerns about it clogging? Are you happy with the sealer? I'm redoing my own basement walls do to a terrible installation!! Why did you decide on 3/4 inch rock? Your input would be much appreciated! This my first installation on my own basement. Thanks!
Thank you! It was just a landscape fabric I had I think it was 4’x225’ I have no worries that it will clog. The clean rock is a natural filtration so that is really what makes the difference. The 3/4” is nice because it fills in around the pipe and in the voids and locks together tight not to let other debris in. The sealer was awesome too. Went on really easy. You don’t have to use that much rock on new installs but if one leaks I always go overkill on rock to ensure it drains the most water
@@eliteearthworksllc Thanks for the detailed reply! I really appreciate it!
Do I see a power rake coming soon?
Nah I’ve got the preparator 😁
I'm not being critical, the way you did what you did would certainly eliminate any future water issues. Wouldn't the stone up to grade make it impossible for foundation plantings?
Yeah I put about a 1’ of dirt over the rock maybe a touch more I’m hoping that’s enough for plants to hold in some moisture lol
My neighbor is a master gardener. When they were building their house she told me… Foundation plantings with deep roots should be at least 2’ out from the house. That prevents their foliage and roots from growing against the house. And, the alkaline soils from the concrete will not affect the soil PH as much.
So ,no drainage board ??
No just the waterproofing and lots of clean rock to go with the drain
what size are the rocks ? and what is the name/thickness of the geo textile?
3/4” clean rock I can’t remember the thickness but it’s just non woven geotextile fabric
@@eliteearthworksllc its well done!!! you nailed it!
Thank you!
I'm a little confused here. Why wasn't the pipe wrapped with the fabric? Shouldn't the pipe sit in the middle of the fabric and wrapped rather than being folded over towards the wall?
No you want clean rock around the pipe to filter out the water quicker. The fabric just keeps the dirt and rock separated. Clean rock is natural filtration so you don’t need the fabric around the pipe
@eliteearthworksllc Ok that makes sense. I'm having this exact work done to my home in GA. So I have little knowledge. Lol. Thanks for the response and great work. Thanks for the video.
@@DIYeverything513 you’re welcome!
What did you use for fabric?
Non woven fabric or even a weed guard fabric works
I have a few questions, if you wouldn’t mind. Does there need to be any type of slope on the drainage pipe itself? Or can it be level? Also, would there be any benefit to using a larger diameter drain pipe or two 4” pipes to allow for more water flow? Lastly, any updates from this homeowner? Have they had any water trouble since this repair? Thanks so much! Great video!
It needs to have a little bit of slope 1/8” per 10’ is plenty for water to run. One pipe is enough cause there will never be that much water running down it. It’s not like a downspout plus the clean rock does more than the pipe. I run the clean rock all the way out with the pile and the water runs out if the pipe and the clean rock. They haven’t had any water in this house since I have done this and we have had some big rains. Appreciate you watching
@eliteearthworksllc isn't it 1/8in every foot.. not 10feet ?
Yes whoops I typo that lol yes should be 1/8” per 1’
I've heard some pretty compelling testimony that fabric is a waste of money if you have that kind of rock above and below your pipe. Sounds like the rock does the job people expect of the fabric and allows better flow for longer.
Yes clean rock is a natural filtration I more less used the fabric as a way to hold the clean rock as I backfilled so I wouldn’t use so much since I had it dug out so wide.
Damn that roller packer is cool! Homemade or who makes it?
Felco Industries makes it
Where does the pipe drain to?
It daylights out in the back yard
Can you use that roller on my back?
Sure 😁
Where did you discharge it to
I daylighted out in the back yard
@@eliteearthworksllc thanks
is that a asphalt emulsion your using to paint the walls with? also did you do 2 coats or just one?
It’s more of a rubberized sealer. We did 2 coats over the whole thing
@@eliteearthworksllc thanks, doing something similar soon not sure to use the asphalt or a liquid rubber like duck mate
@@MaDGriZz78 I’ll see if I can find the name of the stuff
@@eliteearthworksllc appreciate it brother
@@MaDGriZz78 you bet!
I have to do the same job....what is the fabric for
Just to help keep the dirt out of the rock so it won’t filter down to the drain.
I am new to all this kind of work so all your videos have sure helped me out thanks a lot 👍👍
@@bradnavratil360 cool good to hear! Hit me up if you have any questions
What is the material name
The sealer? I’d have to look it up again
Did you have your Dad fill out an application before you hired him? You can’t be too careful these days! Lol that is great your dad helps you, I wish mine was still around to help me, we wouldn’t agree how to do it, but hey!
🤣🤣 I probably should have. He shows up so I just kind of went with it 😁 we get along better now that we both have our owns businesses
@@eliteearthworksllc I didn’t start my business until my dad had passed. Not on purpose just the way it worked out. This is my 20th year this year. I have a few videos on CZcams, but damn it takes a lot of time to edit them.
Where is the drain located?
It daylights out the back of the property
@@eliteearthworksllc ok so there was no catch basin installed?
@@austinwilliammee7016 no it goes along the footings and daylights out in the yard so it can carry the maximum amount of water
@@eliteearthworksllc gotcha. Gotta do the same job on my house and didn’t know if I needed catch basins or not. Thanks!!
@@austinwilliammee7016 you’re welcome! Good luck
I dont think you put enough rock lol.
🤣 your right I should have put a few more loads in 😁
I even waited……first comment 🤷♂️👍
Hi! 🙋♀️
@@mrs.eliteearthworks Hi! 🙋♂️
🤣🤣 no one watches me stuff it’s an easy first
@@eliteearthworksllc 🤦♂️😂😂
@@eliteearthworksllc I don't get that?
Why not add a foundation screen? You guys missed a step.
What’s that?
No cleanout?
Up at the front I just never went back and showed it
Got ya. Nice work.
@@lukedepaola3673 thanks! It was on some clip that froze up and I said the hell with going back to record it 🤣
Thats the sort of project you could spend $100K on and still not see where it went.
That’s for sure lol!
Too bad you couldn’t apply that stuff with an airless sprayer.
You can I just don’t have one and no one rents them
@@eliteearthworksllc ah so, maybe Mrs Santa needs a harbor freight good boy list.
Too much yap yap yap!
Just for you buddy 😁👍🏻
Just hit mute 😁
@@mrs.eliteearthworks I thought he was talking about the dog?
@@barryhansen6854 I’m just glad I’m not in the video, so I know it wasn’t about me 😁
@@mrs.eliteearthworks LOL