1:51:58 as a French Algerian, the sociological (as opposed to geopolitical) answer to that question is thus: The french liberal mind is trapped in this dichotomy where it wants to recognize Algeria as its own sovereign country with a deep and mostly positive cultural influence on France, while also not being able to emotionally handle local displays of Algerian pride or whenever we require a widespread acknowledgement and apology for some of the insanely fucked up stuff France did to Algeria, including colonization but also and more importantly (to me at least) the amount of geopolitical meddling and murder that has happened from the Setif massacre to nowadays, in Algeria as well as in France. You guys can be glad that my grandmother was only almost killed by the french police during the October 1961 massacre because she was pregnant with my mother and this podcast would have been 2 dollars/month short
@@FallingWhale yup, just casually engaging in underground nuclear testing on disputed territory the people you colonized are actively fighting for. But hey, it's not like they waited until 4 years after the end of the war to decide that they'd stop. Right ?
My gf worked for the merchant marines. Unfortunately, their mega-union also mega-sucks. They are not allowed to strike, and people who run against union leadership in elections are known to ‘go missing.’ There is a reason the docks and the mob are often considered related. Unfortunately she ended up leaving because boat people™️ happen to also generally be extremely transphobic, and her Union did absolutely nothing to protect her when she started getting death threats.
This episode has landed within a week of me completing a 50 page industry report on maritime nuclear propulsion. The report is less funny than this episode.
What country? I'm a member of one the three major mariner unions in the US and there definitely is not a precedent for non-established union leadership candidates to "go missing"
listening to podcasts at the gym instead of music is kinda a flex. i find music focuses me the best, and i cant focus on the podcast at hand enough conversely
The few times I tried sailing I kind of understood it as the boat getting squeezed between the wind and the water and squirting forward like a cherry pit between your fingers.
Yeah, I've sailed a couple times too and that's my understanding how it works. You got the goo factor of the water and the significantly less goo factor of air working to push (or squirt) you into the wind
I'm all in favour as fish and a genus but I don't like fishing as a pastime. A friend once went fishing (more than one friend but this specific one) tried fishing in a stocked catch and return fishing place. His summary of the experience was yum, tasty. RTFM boys and girls RTM.
It's not about building greener ships, but reducing the amount of shipping over all. We don't need atrocities like shrimp fished in the North Sea being shipped to Southeast Asia to be cleaned and packaged, only to be shipped back to Germany to be sold, just because shipping and labour there is cheaper than just doing it in Europe.
@szurketaltos2693 oh god yeah and they never are. I hate it so much, we make these tools to allow us to find some way of pricing it in yet it never gets used by the liberal asswipes that draft the laws.
Sailing explanation: November is correct in that there is a max angle(close hauled) that you can sail at towards the direction of the wind. If you go above that angle the boat is too much into the wind and the sails won’t work. Tacking is when you cross head to wind and the zone your sails don’t work in. The sails switch sides. This means by tacking back and forth you can zig zag upwind. Think of it like switchbacks up a mountain sort of.
It depends on the boat and sail plan. It you are on a cat boat you can't get as close, but if you are on a sloop and have deployed your jib then you can get much more close hauled.
"really long wire" to power ships off hydropower is like, the exact solutions they came up with for ferries in norway. Obviously not practical in all places, but a lot of costal towns are reliant on ferries that burn hella diesel to connect them to the mainland. They just put a big spool of wire on it, it's really funny. btw, I love the pod (with slides)❤
The story of Turbinia is wild, and absolutely a baller move that more people should know about. Her hull has been preserved in a museum in Newcastle, with her powerplant being on display at the Science Museum in London.
They have to be big nerds, too, though. The Gambinos have to invent a story about how they're actually descended from Aeneas or something, or it's just not the same.
@@trioptimum9027I’d bet a bunch of people of Italian descent could become nerds just simply from tapping into some long-lost Roman heritage, whether real or invented. I mean, my great-great-grandparents were from Sicily and I’m a bit of a nerd.
The only problem with seeing the WTYP episode as soon as it comes out is that you have the least amount of time before having no new WTYP to watch again.
@@murciadoxial8056 I'm here to report that it was, unfortunately, not, although china right now had thr chance to do the funniest thing if they could get their ship to the US
I love episodes that include an airing of Liam’s grievances, it’s like having Festivus come multiple times a year. Also, glad to have the whole gang on this one, Rocz, Activate Windows, November, and Liam are all great on their own, but the synergy really comes out when everyone’s present.
I can joke about a lot, but i really needed this today. Shit ass month, multiple unexpected expenses, break in attempt, loads of work, an after work eve that turned into a get-a-stranger-off-the-subway-rails... ... All y'all have very nice kind voices, and talking about an engineering disaster, with humour about it all, is soothing when my brain is in overdrive
As somebody who sailed hearing them try and figure out how you sail against the wind is incredibly funny. Btw stoker is definitely the worst job on a coal ship, because not only is it physically exhausting but the engine rooms get absurdly hot
Re: stokers. One of the factors that limited the time a ship could spend at max speed was how long the stokers could keep going in their hellish working conditions.
@@chris999999999999 yep that and just the general fouling of the engines by the coal ash, coal is pretty terrible as a fuel source for multiple reasons which is of course why so many navies switched to oil as soon as feasible
When talking about the nuclear navy and the carrier USS Enterprise (aka 'the Mobile Chernobile') you forgot to remind us that she was the setting for a Safety Third story in episode 144 (Berlin Wall) where the ship grounded on a sandbar and clogged her reactor cooling pumps and heat exchangers with mud, forcing all the reactors into an emergency shutdown.
Yes! I get to talk some family history, baby! My dad was working for the Atomic Energy Commission when the Savannah was being built. In fact he was a program analyst on the project and got to go to the launch of the ship. We had a fuck load of NS Savannah ephemera at the house. All of it got tossed when my parents moved after they retired.
The one time someone tried the gas attack on me they gave me a bucket of chlorine bleach and a scrub brush soaked in ammonia from a previous job. This was for a mandatory punishment work for the kitchen of school 3 hour slot for being slightly late to class a number of times. I very quickly identified the bucket water should not have bubbles, reported the situation accutarately and told the supervisor that my 3 hours were now over after 20 minutes. They didn't argue.
I think the feeling of clicking on a recently dropped WTYP podcast is the closest I'll get to the feelings invoked by the phrase "cracking a cold one open with the boys" and I love it here
12:20 NJT was set to get a share of the congestion pricing money also, and also needs it. In both states you will now get a whole new round of idiots complaining about how much traffic there is, failing to understand they have made it worse even for themselves as car commuters.
November trying to explain how sailboats work really makes me wish you guys did a guest episode on the 2013 america's cup crash to talk about how modern sailboats work and how insane the engineering is on these things at that level of competition. Hi Liam
1:35:10 the Kommuna is still afloat and in service, the Ukrainians claimed they sank her but satellite imagery showed her alive and well. Also don’t diss the Kommuna, she did valuable anti-fascist work in ww2 repairing submarines, salvaging shit from the bottom of lakes and rivers(several tanks, tugs, aircraft, tractors, other vehicles, etc) and the entire crew were awarded the ‘For the Defence of Leningrad’ medal. Honestly the Kommuna has easily the best service record of any single Russian ship I’ve ever heard of, just endless string of success from WW1 onwards in its supporting rule to the Russian navy.
Tbh they could do an entire episode on it, but they’d have to agree that there is no problem, other than its current owners and their stances on what the world should look like.
Howdy, sailor here. To sail into the wind you “beat”. This means constant, regular “tacs” back and fourth into the wind. A “tac” is a turn into the wind. Your turn must result in an acute angle to wind direction. This effectively pushes your boat sideways, but since you’re moving diagonally it also pushes you forward. On a mall sailboat you can “roll tac” to give yourself small speed boosts. Like nitrous in a car game but blood because you smash your head into the hull when you slip and fall from running from side to side.
The big cube on USS Long Beach is the SCANFAR phased array radar system, big-ass radars for tracking aircraft and guiding missiles at them from really far away. USS Enterprise has one as well, you can see it at the bottom of the island.
Following on to the camouflage episode, my ship is equipped with both a false bow wave at the stern, and a false wake at the front which functions as a ram like on a trireme.
At 54:00 minutes in I had a Proustian moment. The graphic that Rocz used was from a book on the Savannah my dad had. I had forgotten about it until that very moment. Thanks, Rocz, Nova & Liam for sparking these memories.
A hydroelectric dam can still, in some sense, be considered a form of steam engine, it's just that the whole hydrosphere is a closed-cycle solar thermal steam engine, with dams catching some extra efficiency during the condensation part of the cycle
Feel like someone should note that actually, someone DOES refuse entry for US warships, the New Zealand trade union movement, who spent basically the entire 1970s going on mini general strikes at the direction of the maritime and dockworkers unions whenever an american ship turned up until the government eventually agreed to make NZ officially nuclear free in the 80s.
For an even weirder confluence of steam locomotives and nuclear physics applications, the Rio Grand Southern Railroad Locomotive #20 was the primary hauler of the trains carrying yellow cake out of Southwest Colorado to the Santa Fe mainline to take the yelloe cake to Los Alamos and other places it was needed to refine uranium for the Manhattan project. A pre-superpower steam engine was the first runner on the journey for getting uranium ore to it's refineries to build the first atomic bombs and make most of the first breakthroughs in the practical application of nuclear physics.
5:30 Yeah. The main problem with this is that we got rid of 95% of our capacity to do this stuff. I mean if you followed the whole pier building with that Whats Going on with Shipping guy, it was kinda depressing. Bring back the Sea Bees
Recently watched a history video about Operation Neptune (the naval component of the D-Day landings) on the occasion of the 80th anniversary, and it was amazing how much they had to do to construct artificial harbors on the Normandy beaches. Like dozens of ships deliberately sunk for breakwaters, plus all the modular piers and such. And they still got wrecked in storms causing delays and expensive repairs.
tacking explained: you want to sail towards heading 360, the wind is coming from: 180 - point sails straight behind, no tacking. 090 or 270 - angle the sails at 45 degrees to the ship. the keel of the ship in the water resists sideways force as the sails redirect wind to the rear, which pushes the ship forward, but slower 030 or 330 - angle the sails nearly parallel to the ship, slightly towards the wind. Keel resists sideways forces, sails redirect wind to rear. sails redirect wind to rear, ship goes forward, but even slower 360: turn the ship to a heading of 030 or 330 and configure the sails as in the previous example. after a few minutes or hours, turn to the other heading and reconfigure. repeat in a zig-zag.
@@ShuRugal Wheel? What if the boat has a tiller, like the one my father maintains with the help of some of his friends? Would we just shove that towards the wind or something? (The boom in this scenario still hits the landlubber square across the jaw.)
not had time to watch but I have to pre-emptively say; nuclear shipping is good and based and we should do more of it. I will not listen to facts on this.
I was recently in Midtown Manhattan with family, and my father when we emerged out of the Lincoln Tunnel started to refer to Manhattan driving as like a war zone. For reference, he was in the Army for a while fighting in a number of overseas conflicts, and he’s from DC, which already has rough traffic in parts. If that isn’t a strong warning against driving in Manhattan, I don’t know what is. And the thing is we had little choice except to drive in there. We had originally planned to take an Amtrak train, but since we didn’t book the tickets weeks in advance, fares became higher for us four than he would have been comfortable with. Perhaps the whole island should be pedestrianized or replaced with cycle lanes (with some exceptions for trucks until a decent freight rail system can be installed).
@@AlecStory I’ve heard exceptionally good stories about Amfleet coach seats compared to even premium European seat accommodations. I’ll be on an Amtrak train soon for the first time, so we’ll have to see about that. But as for coach buses no one I know personally has ever or would ever consider using them; probably not something any of us even think about or know they exist on some routes. The moment train tickets are too high my father usually goes “screw it, New Jersey Turnpike it is” but at least it ain’t I-95
@@DiamondKingStudiosThere are a lot of commuter rail trains that go into new York, NJ Transit, Metro North, and LIRR, and you can park at one of the larger stations and take the train into the city.
1:36:00 The "Kommuna" (originally the "Volkhov") was launched in 1913 and commissioned in 1915, it was supposed to be a submarine tender but was mostly used as a rescue vessel from 1922 to now. It was not sunk, just damaged by the drone bomb. Also the Japanese nuclear freighter "Mutsu" is now the diesel powered RV "Mirai", which does oceanographic research when it isn't a partial museum ship (the reactor section.)
This ship absolutely needs to be used as the supervillain headquarters in some retro Bond movie, possibly owned by a Nazi. It's got the 50s/60s retro futurism and everything, it's perfect.
@Neuttah iirc it was in reference to the anecdotes of soldiers painting pin-up girls on bombs or planes or whatever. And then speculating that the modern equivalent would be to paint a big tiddy anime girl instead of a classic pin up.
"I believe it is the most visited Nuclear facility worldwide" Nah man, we have a nuclear powerplant here in Austria that hosts music festivals among other things. It's one of the only nuclear facilities where you can go visit the reactor containment vessel, because it was never fueled.
1:30:00 The captain of the NS "Otto Hahn" was Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock, a 27 ship u-boat "ace" who had captained the U-96 during the war when Lothar-Günther Buchheim was aboard as a Kriegsmarine war correspondent, and that story became the novel and TV miniseries/film "Das Boot", so there is some real fame attached to West Germany's sole nuclear ore freighter. It's also weirdly the opposite of how a number of WWII u--boat captains entered the service, by being seasoned merchant captains who were drafted and retrained in diesel submarine operations; Lehmann-Willenbrock was navy to merchant marine.
"Big heavy cargo ships... they're done in 20 years. Unless they're on the Great Lakes." Well yes, that cold, deoxygenated lake bottom is very good at preserving wrecks. 😅
12:57 The mad thing about saying this is to protect businesses is that everywhere that has done a congestion charge or pedestrianised has seen improvement for businesses! The studies that have been done show that when people don’t have to deal with the stress of sitting in a traffic jam and trying to park a car they actually walk around town and go into businesses that they wouldn’t have been aware of.
“Oh no! Our customers won’t have to deal with annoying loud cars outside!” “And how is this bad for business?” “Goodyear, Ford, & ExxonMobil told me so.”
There's no feeling like trying to find something to listen to at work and be blessed with a WTYP episode that is perfectly long enough to finish the day.
(Abigail Thorn voice): H A U N T O L O G Y. Really bums me out that we came this close to a better future where global containerised shipping was fully nuclear saving millions of tons of atmospheric CO2. Real dark timeline vibes. Yeah I know the chinese are outfitting a few nuclear container ships but it feels like too little too late.
You should check out the destruction of the French battleship Iena, blew up in drydock at the loss of 130-ish sailors. Edit: it was not the first French battleship that blew up in drydock, nor the last. Edit #2: This was released on my birthday, so thanks WTYP, for making my day.
Bringing up bc the Sacco and Vanzetti shoutout, I went to middle and high school with one of the Great x whatever grandkids of Nicola Sacco. He was kind of your standard skater stoner kid and passed away a while ago but he would bring it up any chance he had so I'm doing it for him.
My comments questioning why we didn't build a permanent pier don't last long in most places. Why didn't we? One ship of cement for pocket change that is already crossing the Med daily, sorta made sense to me to buyout and divert one. Lumber isn't impossible or expensive either. The ancient Romans were about a thousand times more capable then we've demonstrated so far.
I'm not very informed on this kind of thing, but as far as I got: The Americans have some kind of stick where the sun don't shine about their boats and their soldiers 'not technically touching' the country, ostensibly to protect them from having, of all horrors, an AMERICAN possibly in DANGER. One American potentially ending up in a body bag if something goes terribly wrong is worse than an infinite number of 'foreigners' facing certain death, to American brass. "No American Lives Will Be Lost!" and all that. So they came up with a convoluted plan that lets their ships hover conveniently 'nearby' the crisis area without ever actually 'going to Gaza', building the stupid platform at sea and hiring locals to anchor the other end of it and transfer stuff across the giant bridge-to-nowhere, at least as I understand it. Then for some kind of inter-service rivalry reason, they didn't give the project to the unit with actual experience building such things, and instead gave it to another, less tested organization, which didn't seem to do it very well. I suppose it was a learning experience for them...
technically speaking ships now have been using low sulfur bunker fuel since 2020, granted this in turn ment the ocean temps have risen. Which is to say it was good in the first place, but now given climate scientist a better idea of how screwed we are, considering that up till now scientist were a confused why land temps were rising but sea temperatures weren't increasing the same rate which broke a lot of climate models. If anything sulfur was blinding us on how deep in the shit store we are in the climate crisis.
@@tangentfox4677 Yeah, and switch over to low sulfur was an overall good decision. The biggest problem was modeling climate change as sea tempratures were not rising alongside land tempratures which was odd and there was a lot of debate on why or how it was happening. In the end the switch over to low sulfur was done mainly because it burned a lot better and produced not only less sulfur but other harmful gasses to the environment. Not to mention reduce instances of toxic algae blooms and dead zones with the switch. The new stuff ain't great to use, but still a lot better than burning the other stuff. In the end, with less sulfur in the air has given climate scientist a better idea on the timeline of how climate change will progress, and a better idea of how bad it will be. As before a lot of scientist were kinda blind sided with how certain aspects of climate change were progressing faster than what was modeled due to anomalies in temperature difference between land and sea. Now we can better monitor the changes and predict how these changes will affect our lives in the future.
The docks in Normandy were not really portable or temporary. They were portable one time, then permanent installed, by being sunk to the bottom and filled with rocks and metal. They also sunk 5 dozen ships to act as a breakwater on immediate installation, and another 5 dozen or so later on to further protect the docks. In fact all the sunk ships, and large parts of the docks are still there.
The "Otto Hahn" was not just captained by any old Kriegsmarine U-Boot Commander, but by Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock, who Lothar-Günther Buchheim sailed with as a war correspondent and probably based his figure of "Der Alte" off of, when writing "Das Boot".
See, what we do is buy the SS United States, do a nuclear reactor swap; and then that's where the KJB movie theater that shows Modesty Blaise, Zardoz, and such fare exists. Also it's an ocean liner, and there will be snacks.
You should read The Last Grain Race by Eric Newby. It's a memoir of him working on the last ever commercial sailing boat in the 1930s. It's pretty insane. The boat he was on is now restaurant in on Penn's Landing in Philly.
It’s a bit hard to distribute aid when you have destroyed any places in which aid might be distributed. And that’s assuming, the intention is actually providing aid, and not just a little bit of PRWork to get some people off your back. No point in having a road or Pier to a distribution point when the distribution point doesn’t exist any more. Assuming you have a road or a pier.
33:33, can't vouch for the ships but I remember this on Snopes. He was commended for saving a guy during the fire, caused when someone else accidentally shot a missile during launch procedure. A few pro-Trump sites tried to rewrite history about it and then Trump spouted off what those sites said, so now the rumor's everywhere. McCain was still a republican warhawk who gave up on his own morals the moment Democrats agreed with him, of course, but at this time he acted like a rational human and helped people.
I would say American chemistry classes should explicitly teach us how to not gas ourselves for how many times I hear of it happening, but I also have noticed that most of said people likely weren't old enough for those classes. So maybe we should keep chemicals away from kids.
Noting that Justin's weirdly detailed knowledge of Pittsburgh for someone who does not live there does not extend to Ohiopyle. But Liam's does. The town really is tiny despite the tourism.
1:28:40 one of the other liberty ships, christened SS Albert M. Boe when it was launched, was the last ship of the class manufactured. She was purposely grounded on Kodiak Island near downtown Kodiak where she was converted into a cannery. Which as of last year, was owned by Trident Seafoods. The name she bears now is Star of Kodiak Dunno who it's owned by currently, Trident is attempting to sell it off.
I kinda wish Savannah, GA would be a leading port for nuclear container ships. Would give our state something to boast about that isn’t in the vicinity of Atlanta.
I would just like to mention that the ship November was thinking of - the submarine rescue/recovery ship _Kommuna_ - was launched in 1912. It was struck by a Ukrainian anti-ship missile in April and remains afloat.
1:51:58 as a French Algerian, the sociological (as opposed to geopolitical) answer to that question is thus:
The french liberal mind is trapped in this dichotomy where it wants to recognize Algeria as its own sovereign country with a deep and mostly positive cultural influence on France, while also not being able to emotionally handle local displays of Algerian pride or whenever we require a widespread acknowledgement and apology for some of the insanely fucked up stuff France did to Algeria, including colonization but also and more importantly (to me at least) the amount of geopolitical meddling and murder that has happened from the Setif massacre to nowadays, in Algeria as well as in France. You guys can be glad that my grandmother was only almost killed by the french police during the October 1961 massacre because she was pregnant with my mother and this podcast would have been 2 dollars/month short
It should only take Britain another century or two to reach the same attitude about Ireland.
The French using a nuke in the middle of the Algerian War becoming a historic footnote is completely insane.
@@FallingWhale yup, just casually engaging in underground nuclear testing on disputed territory the people you colonized are actively fighting for. But hey, it's not like they waited until 4 years after the end of the war to decide that they'd stop.
Right ?
@@TMmodify It wasn't an underground test.
French sound like they might be afflicted with Latent Colonizer Brain. Speedy recovery, mssrs et madams et copains non binaires!
My gf worked for the merchant marines. Unfortunately, their mega-union also mega-sucks.
They are not allowed to strike, and people who run against union leadership in elections are known to ‘go missing.’ There is a reason the docks and the mob are often considered related.
Unfortunately she ended up leaving because boat people™️ happen to also generally be extremely transphobic, and her Union did absolutely nothing to protect her when she started getting death threats.
This episode has landed within a week of me completing a 50 page industry report on maritime nuclear propulsion. The report is less funny than this episode.
American Unions are such a disappointment.
What country? I'm a member of one the three major mariner unions in the US and there definitely is not a precedent for non-established union leadership candidates to "go missing"
Drama 😂
Historically, the first and foremost important thing to do when somebody tells you you're not allowed to strike, is to go on strike.
26:35 the drop of Justin saying “Big Titty Anime Girl”
43:16 plus the cocks brothers
Anyone know what episode that's from
@@Quackagate it was cut by Devon months ago before it was posted so we’ll never know
@@Quackagatef104 Starfighter bonus
52:26 drop of Justin saying "Big-ass Shaft"
Technically, it is still a steam ship.
Boiling water is the ultimate way to make power
Scrolling through youtube to find something to listen to while at the gym and this meteor falls into my lap. Life is good 🎉
Go back and watch the 911 episode asap
listening to podcasts at the gym instead of music is kinda a flex. i find music focuses me the best, and i cant focus on the podcast at hand enough conversely
Was it a "big tiddie anime girl" as Roz speaks so highly of?
WTYP is inline with the folds of the universe.
Welcome to this loving community of slightly inconvenienced autistic people
(it's a reference to the fantastic Y2K bug episode)
"What the fuck's going on?"
"I don't know, I'm already exhausted."
Pretty much sums up life in 2024.
I got the 'rona and have been in a sine wave of getting slightly better and slightly worse day to day for like 2 months now. 2024 can sunk off my dunk
Pretty much sums up life for a long time for me tbh
Ain’t that the vibe
collapsed walking my dog this morning - long covid
For future reference, sailboats can sail against the wind because water is more gooey than air. The goo index is higher.
I hate that this is a technically accurate description.
The few times I tried sailing I kind of understood it as the boat getting squeezed between the wind and the water and squirting forward like a cherry pit between your fingers.
Ew 😂 @@jarekluiken7848
@@jarekluiken7848 sailboats move by squirting. Got it.
Yeah, I've sailed a couple times too and that's my understanding how it works. You got the goo factor of the water and the significantly less goo factor of air working to push (or squirt) you into the wind
Normally Liam skips oceangoing episodes, presumably because of his hatred of fish
I think he can make all the actionable threats he wants to about sea creatures without them being bleeped
We cannot forget his lack of respect for gilled beings, as well
I'm all in favour as fish and a genus but I don't like fishing as a pastime. A friend once went fishing (more than one friend but this specific one) tried fishing in a stocked catch and return fishing place. His summary of the experience was yum, tasty. RTFM boys and girls RTM.
@@logangagnepain7154 Gilled and grilled. Just the way I like my seafood.
official notice:
dear Liam
if they F"kup with the merchant nuclear, I am pretty sure being on shore will no longer protect you from fish...
It's not about building greener ships, but reducing the amount of shipping over all. We don't need atrocities like shrimp fished in the North Sea being shipped to Southeast Asia to be cleaned and packaged, only to be shipped back to Germany to be sold, just because shipping and labour there is cheaper than just doing it in Europe.
IMO it's fine... If the externalities are properly priced in. But of course they aren't.
Local stuff is cool, it turns out
well obviously we do need it...
@szurketaltos2693 oh god yeah and they never are. I hate it so much, we make these tools to allow us to find some way of pricing it in yet it never gets used by the liberal asswipes that draft the laws.
How about both?
Sailing explanation: November is correct in that there is a max angle(close hauled) that you can sail at towards the direction of the wind. If you go above that angle the boat is too much into the wind and the sails won’t work. Tacking is when you cross head to wind and the zone your sails don’t work in. The sails switch sides. This means by tacking back and forth you can zig zag upwind. Think of it like switchbacks up a mountain sort of.
It’s been a while since I’ve sailed, but I believe you can sail as close as 45 degrees into the wind.
That sounds like an immense amount of work.
It depends on the boat and sail plan. It you are on a cat boat you can't get as close, but if you are on a sloop and have deployed your jib then you can get much more close hauled.
@@chancekahle2214not really, it’s just how sailboats work lol
@@MyChannel773 Still a lot of work compared to making the diesel go brrr, though
"really long wire" to power ships off hydropower is like, the exact solutions they came up with for ferries in norway. Obviously not practical in all places, but a lot of costal towns are reliant on ferries that burn hella diesel to connect them to the mainland. They just put a big spool of wire on it, it's really funny.
btw, I love the pod (with slides)❤
im norwegian and i didnt even know that, thats clever
“What is Boat?”
This is :
“What is boat… but with Spicy Rocks”
The story of Turbinia is wild, and absolutely a baller move that more people should know about. Her hull has been preserved in a museum in Newcastle, with her powerplant being on display at the Science Museum in London.
Right? Embarrassing the Royal Navy into taking your invention seriously is such a strong energy.
I've got so many happy memories from the Discovery Museum and Turbinia...
babe stop dissociating, the new WTYP podcast episode dropped
I return to the land of the conscious!
The Five Families getting weapons-grade uranium is how you get Dune
They have to be big nerds, too, though. The Gambinos have to invent a story about how they're actually descended from Aeneas or something, or it's just not the same.
Give or take a few raw mentats.
@@trioptimum9027I’d bet a bunch of people of Italian descent could become nerds just simply from tapping into some long-lost Roman heritage, whether real or invented. I mean, my great-great-grandparents were from Sicily and I’m a bit of a nerd.
@@trioptimum9027
Everyone is actually a secret Palaiologos, trying to take their revenge on the House of Osman. Herbert tried to warn them!
The only problem with seeing the WTYP episode as soon as it comes out is that you have the least amount of time before having no new WTYP to watch again.
Depressed Kid Dressed As Sonic meme but for Podcasting
Someone understands lol
Rip to a real one. Devon Noise 2023-2024.
❤ 😢
We hardly knew the sound, but it will be forever missed because of its positive impact.
Devon is just trying to make us watch the slides aa this is the main point of the podcast
There's "nuclear" and "ship" in one sentence. It is going to be a banger.
... I hope not
@@murciadoxial8056 I'm here to report that it was, unfortunately, not, although china right now had thr chance to do the funniest thing if they could get their ship to the US
A ship that isn't an entry in the "ship fall down" category.
„a long one“
„nice and easy one“
hot.
I do always enjoy a good boat episode
I love episodes that include an airing of Liam’s grievances, it’s like having Festivus come multiple times a year. Also, glad to have the whole gang on this one, Rocz, Activate Windows, November, and Liam are all great on their own, but the synergy really comes out when everyone’s present.
I am not sure we have ever been introduced to activate windows logo's pronouns and I find that to be highly offensive
Possibly Activate Windows Logo prefers name only
@@b.6603 All we know is that Activate Windows definetly isn't a non-binary pal.
Don't forget Devon, our beloved annotated friend.
No, we lost a friend today. Devon Noise has been brutally murdered.
I can joke about a lot, but i really needed this today.
Shit ass month, multiple unexpected expenses, break in attempt, loads of work, an after work eve that turned into a get-a-stranger-off-the-subway-rails...
...
All y'all have very nice kind voices, and talking about an engineering disaster, with humour about it all, is soothing when my brain is in overdrive
As somebody who sailed hearing them try and figure out how you sail against the wind is incredibly funny.
Btw stoker is definitely the worst job on a coal ship, because not only is it physically exhausting but the engine rooms get absurdly hot
Re: stokers. One of the factors that limited the time a ship could spend at max speed was how long the stokers could keep going in their hellish working conditions.
@@chris999999999999 yep that and just the general fouling of the engines by the coal ash, coal is pretty terrible as a fuel source for multiple reasons which is of course why so many navies switched to oil as soon as feasible
When talking about the nuclear navy and the carrier USS Enterprise (aka 'the Mobile Chernobile') you forgot to remind us that she was the setting for a Safety Third story in episode 144 (Berlin Wall) where the ship grounded on a sandbar and clogged her reactor cooling pumps and heat exchangers with mud, forcing all the reactors into an emergency shutdown.
It had 8 piles if I recall correctly. The Nimitzes have two.
@@nicjobro_4653correct. The tested a couple different designs and materials IIRC.
Yes! I get to talk some family history, baby! My dad was working for the Atomic Energy Commission when the Savannah was being built. In fact he was a program analyst on the project and got to go to the launch of the ship. We had a fuck load of NS Savannah ephemera at the house. All of it got tossed when my parents moved after they retired.
Should have saved it or donated it to the Smithsonian.
You got your chance to shine Doug!
The one time someone tried the gas attack on me they gave me a bucket of chlorine bleach and a scrub brush soaked in ammonia from a previous job. This was for a mandatory punishment work for the kitchen of school 3 hour slot for being slightly late to class a number of times. I very quickly identified the bucket water should not have bubbles, reported the situation accutarately and told the supervisor that my 3 hours were now over after 20 minutes. They didn't argue.
I think the feeling of clicking on a recently dropped WTYP podcast is the closest I'll get to the feelings invoked by the phrase "cracking a cold one open with the boys" and I love it here
No matter what disaster WTYP covers, I still always find myself asking
"What is... _boat_ ?"
Uh, it's a thing that lets you be on water without getting your shoes wet. Well, without getting them very wet, they'll probably get splashed a bit.
Yes!😂
BOAT stands for:
Big tiddy,
Anime,
Girls.
It's really simple when you think about it.
What is boat? What is ship? Is ship boat? Is boat ship?
I have yet to find answers, only more questions...
I have just one question. Were you allowed to smoke in the nuclear reactor control room?
12:20 NJT was set to get a share of the congestion pricing money also, and also needs it. In both states you will now get a whole new round of idiots complaining about how much traffic there is, failing to understand they have made it worse even for themselves as car commuters.
Wanting to drive in Manhattan should be added to the DSM
My father can confirm.
When an Army veteran refers to Manhattan driving as a “war zone” one should be concerned.
I was hyped for the Philly DSA rant, but the swing to Bridgerton fan girl-ing from Liam was a delight.
How did we know it was Bridgerton through the bleeps?
It was the streaming platform that got bleeped, not the show name
Yay Liam!
November trying to explain how sailboats work really makes me wish you guys did a guest episode on the 2013 america's cup crash to talk about how modern sailboats work and how insane the engineering is on these things at that level of competition.
Hi Liam
We need a clean drop of Liam saying "f* me up, daddy"
1:35:10 the Kommuna is still afloat and in service, the Ukrainians claimed they sank her but satellite imagery showed her alive and well.
Also don’t diss the Kommuna, she did valuable anti-fascist work in ww2 repairing submarines, salvaging shit from the bottom of lakes and rivers(several tanks, tugs, aircraft, tractors, other vehicles, etc) and the entire crew were awarded the ‘For the Defence of Leningrad’ medal.
Honestly the Kommuna has easily the best service record of any single Russian ship I’ve ever heard of, just endless string of success from WW1 onwards in its supporting rule to the Russian navy.
Correct, I did read that it was too damaged to do the main thing Russia was using it for, raising sunken combat vessels.
Tbh they could do an entire episode on it, but they’d have to agree that there is no problem, other than its current owners and their stances on what the world should look like.
WTYP once again embarks on the high seas
26:35 with the drop of Justin saying “Big Titty Anime Girl”
Howdy, sailor here. To sail into the wind you “beat”. This means constant, regular “tacs” back and fourth into the wind. A “tac” is a turn into the wind. Your turn must result in an acute angle to wind direction. This effectively pushes your boat sideways, but since you’re moving diagonally it also pushes you forward.
On a mall sailboat you can “roll tac” to give yourself small speed boosts. Like nitrous in a car game but blood because you smash your head into the hull when you slip and fall from running from side to side.
The big cube on USS Long Beach is the SCANFAR phased array radar system, big-ass radars for tracking aircraft and guiding missiles at them from really far away. USS Enterprise has one as well, you can see it at the bottom of the island.
Following on to the camouflage episode, my ship is equipped with both a false bow wave at the stern, and a false wake at the front which functions as a ram like on a trireme.
Isn't "the narrow channel under the golden gate bridge" just called the golden gate
Yes
Redundancy
At 54:00 minutes in I had a Proustian moment. The graphic that Rocz used was from a book on the Savannah my dad had. I had forgotten about it until that very moment. Thanks, Rocz, Nova & Liam for sparking these memories.
Im gonna miss the Devon noise but I respect your reasoning
A hydroelectric dam can still, in some sense, be considered a form of steam engine, it's just that the whole hydrosphere is a closed-cycle solar thermal steam engine, with dams catching some extra efficiency during the condensation part of the cycle
I like the cut of your jib
@@WaterMan416appropriate username to appreciate the cut of that particular jib
@@Skedazzle true, but it's actually a reference to municipal water. Though I also was a navy sailor and I do have a sailboat myself.
Feel like someone should note that actually, someone DOES refuse entry for US warships, the New Zealand trade union movement, who spent basically the entire 1970s going on mini general strikes at the direction of the maritime and dockworkers unions whenever an american ship turned up until the government eventually agreed to make NZ officially nuclear free in the 80s.
And importantly, had the French blow up a ship in their harbour
For an even weirder confluence of steam locomotives and nuclear physics applications, the Rio Grand Southern Railroad Locomotive #20 was the primary hauler of the trains carrying yellow cake out of Southwest Colorado to the Santa Fe mainline to take the yelloe cake to Los Alamos and other places it was needed to refine uranium for the Manhattan project. A pre-superpower steam engine was the first runner on the journey for getting uranium ore to it's refineries to build the first atomic bombs and make most of the first breakthroughs in the practical application of nuclear physics.
5:30 Yeah. The main problem with this is that we got rid of 95% of our capacity to do this stuff. I mean if you followed the whole pier building with that Whats Going on with Shipping guy, it was kinda depressing.
Bring back the Sea Bees
I was around at amphibious construction battalion 2 when they started gutting us.
Recently watched a history video about Operation Neptune (the naval component of the D-Day landings) on the occasion of the 80th anniversary, and it was amazing how much they had to do to construct artificial harbors on the Normandy beaches. Like dozens of ships deliberately sunk for breakwaters, plus all the modular piers and such. And they still got wrecked in storms causing delays and expensive repairs.
It's if Build Back Better was a barge
tacking explained:
you want to sail towards heading 360, the wind is coming from:
180 - point sails straight behind, no tacking.
090 or 270 - angle the sails at 45 degrees to the ship. the keel of the ship in the water resists sideways force as the sails redirect wind to the rear, which pushes the ship forward, but slower
030 or 330 - angle the sails nearly parallel to the ship, slightly towards the wind. Keel resists sideways forces, sails redirect wind to rear. sails redirect wind to rear, ship goes forward, but even slower
360: turn the ship to a heading of 030 or 330 and configure the sails as in the previous example. after a few minutes or hours, turn to the other heading and reconfigure. repeat in a zig-zag.
Alright now explain jibing
@@DiamondKingStudios that's where you throw the wheel to swing across the wind and smack your landlubber best friend with the sail.
@@ShuRugal Wheel? What if the boat has a tiller, like the one my father maintains with the help of some of his friends? Would we just shove that towards the wind or something?
(The boom in this scenario still hits the landlubber square across the jaw.)
not had time to watch but I have to pre-emptively say; nuclear shipping is good and based and we should do more of it. I will not listen to facts on this.
Username checks out
I'm only 60% through, and it seems like the disaster here was just in shitty design and reporting rather than the whole concept.
As a Manhattan resident, ban fucking cars.
I was recently in Midtown Manhattan with family, and my father when we emerged out of the Lincoln Tunnel started to refer to Manhattan driving as like a war zone. For reference, he was in the Army for a while fighting in a number of overseas conflicts, and he’s from DC, which already has rough traffic in parts. If that isn’t a strong warning against driving in Manhattan, I don’t know what is.
And the thing is we had little choice except to drive in there. We had originally planned to take an Amtrak train, but since we didn’t book the tickets weeks in advance, fares became higher for us four than he would have been comfortable with.
Perhaps the whole island should be pedestrianized or replaced with cycle lanes (with some exceptions for trucks until a decent freight rail system can be installed).
@@DiamondKingStudios for what it's worth, intercity buses are usually cheaper and more frequent than the trains, although they are less nice.
@@AlecStory I’ve heard exceptionally good stories about Amfleet coach seats compared to even premium European seat accommodations. I’ll be on an Amtrak train soon for the first time, so we’ll have to see about that.
But as for coach buses no one I know personally has ever or would ever consider using them; probably not something any of us even think about or know they exist on some routes. The moment train tickets are too high my father usually goes “screw it, New Jersey Turnpike it is” but at least it ain’t I-95
@@DiamondKingStudios riding buses is very common among my peers! It's worth being open to.
@@DiamondKingStudiosThere are a lot of commuter rail trains that go into new York, NJ Transit, Metro North, and LIRR, and you can park at one of the larger stations and take the train into the city.
1:36:00 The "Kommuna" (originally the "Volkhov") was launched in 1913 and commissioned in 1915, it was supposed to be a submarine tender but was mostly used as a rescue vessel from 1922 to now. It was not sunk, just damaged by the drone bomb. Also the Japanese nuclear freighter "Mutsu" is now the diesel powered RV "Mirai", which does oceanographic research when it isn't a partial museum ship (the reactor section.)
they preserved the reactor section of the ship? cool
@@Helperbot-2000 At least the control room, Wikipedia was not crystal clear about that.
This ship absolutely needs to be used as the supervillain headquarters in some retro Bond movie, possibly owned by a Nazi. It's got the 50s/60s retro futurism and everything, it's perfect.
Liam hyperventilating with laughter after that Rocz drop is even funnier than the drop itself
devon quickly overtaking the activate windows logo as the best part of the pod
They gotta find a disaster that Devon can be an expert for so he can come on as their guest.
Edit, already done, its the caves episode.
@@iemgus Real quiet episode.
@@iemgus caving episode had Devon, I think
@@jaysea5939 yup, your right
Devon's consistently great on Kill James Bond.
Pretty sure the Roz drop is from the F-104 bonus episode, and is referencing the AIM-9 Sidewinder missile. Hope that context is helpful.
Uh...okay, now I get even less.
@Neuttah iirc it was in reference to the anecdotes of soldiers painting pin-up girls on bombs or planes or whatever. And then speculating that the modern equivalent would be to paint a big tiddy anime girl instead of a classic pin up.
@@prodigaIProdigy ah, okay, everything makes absolute clear sense now.
Liam is back! And we’re going to Cuba!
YAY CUBA!!
"Two consecutive storms and an interstitial war crime."
"I believe it is the most visited Nuclear facility worldwide"
Nah man, we have a nuclear powerplant here in Austria that hosts music festivals among other things. It's one of the only nuclear facilities where you can go visit the reactor containment vessel, because it was never fueled.
1:30:00 The captain of the NS "Otto Hahn" was Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock, a 27 ship u-boat "ace" who had captained the U-96 during the war when Lothar-Günther Buchheim was aboard as a Kriegsmarine war correspondent, and that story became the novel and TV miniseries/film "Das Boot", so there is some real fame attached to West Germany's sole nuclear ore freighter. It's also weirdly the opposite of how a number of WWII u--boat captains entered the service, by being seasoned merchant captains who were drafted and retrained in diesel submarine operations; Lehmann-Willenbrock was navy to merchant marine.
I'm sorry but i don't come to my engineering disaster podcast to hear about triumphs of engineering
How they managed it and wasted its potential is the engineering disaster, much like the Urban Freight Rail episode and others like it
Part of me was waiting to hear a date where it exploded.
"Big heavy cargo ships... they're done in 20 years. Unless they're on the Great Lakes."
Well yes, that cold, deoxygenated lake bottom is very good at preserving wrecks. 😅
12:57 The mad thing about saying this is to protect businesses is that everywhere that has done a congestion charge or pedestrianised has seen improvement for businesses! The studies that have been done show that when people don’t have to deal with the stress of sitting in a traffic jam and trying to park a car they actually walk around town and go into businesses that they wouldn’t have been aware of.
“Oh no! Our customers won’t have to deal with annoying loud cars outside!”
“And how is this bad for business?”
“Goodyear, Ford, & ExxonMobil told me so.”
There's no feeling like trying to find something to listen to at work and be blessed with a WTYP episode that is perfectly long enough to finish the day.
30:35 Having an hydroelectric dam power a ship is easy as long as only wish for the ship to go in one direction.
(Abigail Thorn voice): H A U N T O L O G Y.
Really bums me out that we came this close to a better future where global containerised shipping was fully nuclear saving millions of tons of atmospheric CO2. Real dark timeline vibes. Yeah I know the chinese are outfitting a few nuclear container ships but it feels like too little too late.
Don't forget that we almost replaced private cars with electrified high speed rail! :D
33:25 it was the USS Kitty Hawk that had a race riot, not the Enterprise.
That dance floor and bar just screams, "Good evening, Mr. Bond!"
I'm happy with the E drop making a comeback. It was sorely missed the time Tom was talking about putting Es on his classroom.
30:30 Very excited to watch a Geothermal powered ship
“Ride the boiling oceans” sounds like the name of a King Gizzard song
1:35:10 I see we're counting the USS Constitution only as a museum ship, which is fair, but i feel like it could've taken out that oiler in a 1v1.
As soon as they mentioned Turbinia I got weird flashbacks. I've actually seen her because she's in a museum in Newcastle upon Tyne.
“Big titty anime girl” is never gonna get lived down 😂
46:31 "the water is very angry" 💀🤣
You should check out the destruction of the French battleship Iena, blew up in drydock at the loss of 130-ish sailors.
Edit: it was not the first French battleship that blew up in drydock, nor the last.
Edit #2: This was released on my birthday, so thanks WTYP, for making my day.
Happy birthday!
I wished for that every time I dry docked my ship. Dry docking a nuclear ship when you're in engineering fucking sucks.
Bringing up bc the Sacco and Vanzetti shoutout, I went to middle and high school with one of the Great x whatever grandkids of Nicola Sacco. He was kind of your standard skater stoner kid and passed away a while ago but he would bring it up any chance he had so I'm doing it for him.
My comments questioning why we didn't build a permanent pier don't last long in most places.
Why didn't we? One ship of cement for pocket change that is already crossing the Med daily, sorta made sense to me to buyout and divert one. Lumber isn't impossible or expensive either. The ancient Romans were about a thousand times more capable then we've demonstrated so far.
It's because the govt and military industrial complex don't want to
I'm not very informed on this kind of thing, but as far as I got:
The Americans have some kind of stick where the sun don't shine about their boats and their soldiers 'not technically touching' the country, ostensibly to protect them from having, of all horrors, an AMERICAN possibly in DANGER. One American potentially ending up in a body bag if something goes terribly wrong is worse than an infinite number of 'foreigners' facing certain death, to American brass. "No American Lives Will Be Lost!" and all that.
So they came up with a convoluted plan that lets their ships hover conveniently 'nearby' the crisis area without ever actually 'going to Gaza', building the stupid platform at sea and hiring locals to anchor the other end of it and transfer stuff across the giant bridge-to-nowhere, at least as I understand it.
Then for some kind of inter-service rivalry reason, they didn't give the project to the unit with actual experience building such things, and instead gave it to another, less tested organization, which didn't seem to do it very well. I suppose it was a learning experience for them...
technically speaking ships now have been using low sulfur bunker fuel since 2020, granted this in turn ment the ocean temps have risen. Which is to say it was good in the first place, but now given climate scientist a better idea of how screwed we are, considering that up till now scientist were a confused why land temps were rising but sea temperatures weren't increasing the same rate which broke a lot of climate models. If anything sulfur was blinding us on how deep in the shit store we are in the climate crisis.
Insert sound drop of Rocz saying "yea, the Shit's FUCKED"
Isn't it also that despite the cooling effect, the other effects are more harmful to the environment?
@@tangentfox4677 Yeah, and switch over to low sulfur was an overall good decision.
The biggest problem was modeling climate change as sea tempratures were not rising alongside land tempratures which was odd and there was a lot of debate on why or how it was happening. In the end the switch over to low sulfur was done mainly because it burned a lot better and produced not only less sulfur but other harmful gasses to the environment. Not to mention reduce instances of toxic algae blooms and dead zones with the switch. The new stuff ain't great to use, but still a lot better than burning the other stuff.
In the end, with less sulfur in the air has given climate scientist a better idea on the timeline of how climate change will progress, and a better idea of how bad it will be. As before a lot of scientist were kinda blind sided with how certain aspects of climate change were progressing faster than what was modeled due to anomalies in temperature difference between land and sea. Now we can better monitor the changes and predict how these changes will affect our lives in the future.
1:33:00 to be fair, the fear of radiation from the Japanese specifically is understandable
The docks in Normandy were not really portable or temporary. They were portable one time, then permanent installed, by being sunk to the bottom and filled with rocks and metal. They also sunk 5 dozen ships to act as a breakwater on immediate installation, and another 5 dozen or so later on to further protect the docks. In fact all the sunk ships, and large parts of the docks are still there.
wait what ....even battleships from the 20s had electric machine tools
I mourn the loss of the devon noise.
The "Otto Hahn" was not just captained by any old Kriegsmarine U-Boot Commander, but by Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock, who Lothar-Günther Buchheim sailed with as a war correspondent and probably based his figure of "Der Alte" off of, when writing "Das Boot".
See, what we do is buy the SS United States, do a nuclear reactor swap; and then that's where the KJB movie theater that shows Modesty Blaise, Zardoz, and such fare exists. Also it's an ocean liner, and there will be snacks.
Are there crew apprenticeship programs?
@@Eloraurora Naturally, but it's slightly hench-ish and I call projectionist.
Sign me up
LIAM'S BACK WOOOOOOO
Edit: No Devon alert? Damn
You should read The Last Grain Race by Eric Newby. It's a memoir of him working on the last ever commercial sailing boat in the 1930s. It's pretty insane. The boat he was on is now restaurant in on Penn's Landing in Philly.
The Boat (and restaurant) is called Moshulu btw
44:14 very much enjoying how November's Sacco & Vanzetti joke references not only, like, history, but also the 70s movie
Well There's Your Problem ironically turning a problematic day into a good one when they upload.
Can you set up a patreon tier for Liam's dad's Cuban fact finding mission?
Fuck yes! I have been hoping you all would do an episode about her! Yay Liam!
"Big ass shaft" is surely the next drop for Justin
It’s a bit hard to distribute aid when you have destroyed any places in which aid might be distributed. And that’s assuming, the intention is actually providing aid, and not just a little bit of PRWork to get some people off your back. No point in having a road or Pier to a distribution point when the distribution point doesn’t exist any more. Assuming you have a road or a pier.
I'm glad they introduced the podcast because I was very confused when it opened with a picture of something that's supposed to look like that
33:33, can't vouch for the ships but I remember this on Snopes. He was commended for saving a guy during the fire, caused when someone else accidentally shot a missile during launch procedure. A few pro-Trump sites tried to rewrite history about it and then Trump spouted off what those sites said, so now the rumor's everywhere.
McCain was still a republican warhawk who gave up on his own morals the moment Democrats agreed with him, of course, but at this time he acted like a rational human and helped people.
I would say American chemistry classes should explicitly teach us how to not gas ourselves for how many times I hear of it happening, but I also have noticed that most of said people likely weren't old enough for those classes. So maybe we should keep chemicals away from kids.
Noting that Justin's weirdly detailed knowledge of Pittsburgh for someone who does not live there does not extend to Ohiopyle.
But Liam's does.
The town really is tiny despite the tourism.
1:28:40 one of the other liberty ships, christened SS Albert M. Boe when it was launched, was the last ship of the class manufactured.
She was purposely grounded on Kodiak Island near downtown Kodiak where she was converted into a cannery. Which as of last year, was owned by Trident Seafoods. The name she bears now is Star of Kodiak
Dunno who it's owned by currently, Trident is attempting to sell it off.
Woooo Liam is back
YAY LIAM
November trying to explain Taiwan at the end was really funny 😅
Early fuel cycles for subs were only like 3 years, but that was still monumental for the time
It’s true though, the only countries to participate in WW1 and “win” were the USA and Japan. France and the UK merely “survived”
Damn, didn’t know they turned Savannah, Georgia into a nuclear ship.
I kinda wish Savannah, GA would be a leading port for nuclear container ships. Would give our state something to boast about that isn’t in the vicinity of Atlanta.
30:30 There's another source of power that isn't Steam power; It Sucks, it Squeezes, it Bangs and it Blows
I would just like to mention that the ship November was thinking of - the submarine rescue/recovery ship _Kommuna_ - was launched in 1912. It was struck by a Ukrainian anti-ship missile in April and remains afloat.