79. Oh no! Did I blow up my inverter with an induction hob?
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- čas přidán 4. 04. 2023
- An episode in which I complete (almost) the wiring on the new lithium battery / bigger inverter setup in my campervan and begin to test it whereupon disaster apparently strikes!
See Part 2 - the resolution - at • 80. Battle stations! I...
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Tools & Parts used for my campervan build
Autoterm diesel heater: geni.us/Van_Autoterm
Renogy 2kW inverter: geni.us/Van_RenogyInverter
Sink: geni.us/Van_NewSink
Induction hob: geni.us/Van_InductionHob
Portable toilet: geni.us/Van_Toilet
Fridge: geni.us/Van_CoolFreezeCDF26
Charger: geni.us/Van_MainsCharger
Solar Controller: geni.us/Van_SolarMPPT
Gas Alarm: geni.us/Van_GasAlarm
Old sink unit: geni.us/Van_SinkHob
Old heater unit: geni.us/Van_PropexHS2000
Old inverter: geni.us/Van_Inverter
DeWalt jigsaw: geni.us/Van_DeWaltJigsaw
DeWalt drill: geni.us/Van_DeWaltDrill
DeWalt mitre saw: geni.us/Van_DeWaltMitreSaw
DeWalt circular saw: geni.us/Van_DeWaltCircSaw
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The only man who can get me to look inside his van without any ice cream
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@JJMJohn 😆👍
Hahaha!
Now you have really done it‼️💥🤑hahaha
Just take a thermos flask full of tea with you, cost’s bugger all.
I am not sure how you do it, it was the same with the narrow boat but you have managed to make 'watch a man boil water' quiet entertaining. Well done and carry on. 😆
...I sit gazing at my TV watching you speak a language I do not understand yet mesmerized by your competence, humor and diligence....lol....like a cult member...lol...you remind me so much of my Dad who fitted out his 1982 Chevy van many years ago to sleep 6 (he built overhead slide out beds), with a sink and water supply, gas stove, electricity, and storage. Now I know why he spent endless hours in the garage....it was beautiful when he finished! Traveled all over Canada and the US in that little sweetie!
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Heck, did you say five years. Have I really being following your van exploits for that long.? 😲 And then Cruising the Cut!! I need a hobby.
Keep the clips coming, always entertaining.
Arggh ! Leaving us on a knife-edge ! You utter swi
(2 can play at that game !)
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This is just like an old cinema move serial…. “ come back next week kids ! for another THRILLING episode of ELECTRO MAN ! NEXT WEEK Episode #3 , ELECTRO MAN versus THE GLITCH !
Cheers From California 😊
Listening to this episode from my Spanish terrace. In Spain. David definitely qualifies for any award given to folk who could make the reading of Ikea construction manuals sound absolutely rivetting. Now there's a thought...
You have the best delivery on CZcams. I always look forward to your videos.
Thank you for your work.
Tune in next week! Same Van- time, same Van-channel! na na na na na na na na Van Man!
You have amazing patience. I’d have given up long ago. Great entertainment for us viewers. Look forward to next instalment.
Nice cliff hanger David. We yelled encouragement to "switch on the second hob"! Audience participation......
David, while watching the explanation of your power system, I got nostalgic to the days when you threw a couple of sleeping bags into your VW van and ventured off!
Yes I’m old… 😊
Haha I've never done that
Oh nooo! A cliffhanger!! Eeeek!
The suspense of waiting for Part 2 is going to be unbearable. High Vandemonium drama! 😃
Neat, clean and functional. You did a great job. As a total armchair electrician, I think you need to tear everything out and start all over. Everything on the left needs to be moved to the right everything on top needs to be moved to the bottom, got it?. Good now lets get to work.
OK! Next video 🤣🤣
I think you've done a great job and learned a lot on the way. Obviously, you had safety first throughout
the screw heads are randomised. i heartly suggest that you turn all screw heads to point to 12 o'clock position. otherwise it will effect cornering of the van.
It always amuses me how all these “experts” never have their own channels.
You tell em David! Bloody armchair experts! If there’s one thing I’ve learned about you over the years is that doing a healthy dose of research isn’t something that’s strange to you! I was literally laughing out loud to this one.
Now with your new lithium electrical source you ought to consider carrying a suitable fire extinguisher too.
That would be a Lith-Ex type which can be relatively more effective where batteries are concerned.
I'll watch this later today. I want to thank you for teaching me the word 'Hob' a year or so ago, as I'd not previous heard it. :) American, but lived nearly a year in Reading, so was delighted to discover and have this word.
Over 100 amps is frightening to me. I come from an electronics background and even 1 amp scared me, as most stuff I worked on dealt with milliamps. The thought of over 100 amps flowing through those cables, thick though they are, scares the life out of me! :) Fascinating stuff David, I hope you get it working again.
I know, me too! I'm ridiculously cautious around it.
Don't look in your auto's engine compartment and those thick cables coming off the battery to your starter.
Brilliant! Don’t take this the wrong way, David, but I had to chuckle most of the way through this intricate vlog - I hadn’t the faintest idea what you were talking about but your voice was mesmerizing and it was (to me) like watching Star Wars readying for a launch into outer space. I’m sure electric aficionados will drool with pleasure and I’m deeply impressed by your ingenuity. I have this vision of your van smoking away like crazy while you’re on the M1 with people frantically waving and pointing to the thick black smoke trailing along behind. Just kidding.
John, Ontario, Canada
You bugger! What a cliff hanger 😮😂
🤣🤣🤣 It was originally one long video ... and then I had the idea of splitting it at that point hahahah
@@Vandemonium How many sleeps until the next one! 🤔😂
Oh No, this will be like waiting for next weeks instalment of your favourite program on TV. Good Job done there David.
Ach David……you’re such a blessed tease! I can’t bear to wait but will have too..not too long I hope as I don’t think I could stand it😜
I love the cliff hanger. Great episode.
When you started this adventure a few years back did you think you would be come a master electrician. The one thing I am most definitely sure of, is that you have read the manuals. You always do - lol. Now go chill with two pints after all that was done. You deserve it.
That was brilliantly entertaining, not just for the fascinating content but also for the demonstration of amazing self-control. With the narration teetering on the precipice of a rant at times skillfully held in check. Wonders if there are some deleted scenes??? Love your rants - sorry. And wow a cliff hanger ending. Good job you are doing it as you mentioned - for fun.
Always use a lid on a kettle when boiling water!
Saves energy, a lot!
Yes, I know this was a battery/system test.
What a cliff hanger! "Oh" and then silence.
A cliffhanger?! What a cruel tease! LOL
Utterly gripping- not sure I’ll be able to sleep tonight…😮
Mary Poppins job.
Practically perfect in everyway!
Well done David, a great vlog and I really enjoyed your description regarding the 5cm clearance around your inverter.
Thank God you didn’t put a politician in there as they blow off so much hot air, they need a 5 meter clearance in all directions. 😇
Thanks 👍
I would only make one comment. You might consider fastening the battery down so that in the case of a roll over it does not smash into things and short out. Looking good.
How about armour plate in case of meteor strikes
I think it is great how individuals have great ideas and put them into use. You can heat the van with the inverter heat. 😂😂😂
I have every confidence in your diligence, David. Onwards and upwards!
Interesting content, although I make no claim to understand any of it.
I certainly admire your industry and perseverance in getting it done.
Best Of Luck
Evil cliffhanger!
Oh no, not a cliffhanger, just like an old episode of Buck Rogers starring Buster Crabbe lol
I loved that show! And the old Flash Gordons 😀
Tune in next week hopefully nothing in flames
Looks very smart. Glad it all fitted so neatly and pleasingly!
The marathon continues 😂. Looking forward to watching your travel adventures this year x
Very much enjoyed, a better Cliff Hanger than a Cliff hanging film...
NOOOO!!!! Not another cliffhanger! 🤣🤣🤣
Looks great, can't wait to find out what happened. Wiring looks quite nice! Amazed that you were able to get the battery and inverter into that cabinet area.
So was I! 🤣
Hey!!!
You just made a cliffhanger 👀
Reminds me of the famous words from the Muppet Show..."tune in next time when you hear Dr.Bob saying..."
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But nice to see that you followed my suggestions with the inverter on the front panel next to the battery...
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Thx for showing!
Hey! Spring is just around the corner here in Sweden- Looking forward to a new season in my van! Cheerio!
Well, I haven't got a clue about electronics and much of the explanation went right over the top of my head at concorde speed. Nevertheless, I am slowly learning something from you and that is due to your clear and thorough explanations. I look forward to the next exciting episode to see who shot -JR-, err I mean the dual induction hob!
AAARGH! Cliffhanger! Nooooooooo. Cheeky fellow.
keep the positive bus bar. in time you might need to add something else and your bus bar is waiting.
Noooo, David! What a cliffhanger!
Hehehehehehe
@@Vandemonium That's exactly what I was going to say! lol Thanks, David, for another "how-to" video! I'm not in the least bit mechanically inclined, and I find your videos very interesting. I remember when you added the solar panels to your narrowboat a few years back. Speaking of time, I can hardly believe you've had your camper van for five years! I guess time really does fly when we're having fun!
Hollywood's finest is no match for the man, the myth and the legend of canal and campervan broadcasting.
Oh David, you master of cliffhangers!
😳 I hope the next video is out tomorrow! Thanks for sharing the update on your van.
I think I’m going to give it a few days 🤣🤣
That "Oh" right at the end sounded a bit ominous to be honest.
I hope nothing exploded, melted or went into a different dimension?
Next vlog will tell I guess! 🙂
I think you could make a video of paint drying and I would watch it. I mean that in the nicest possible way of course.
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will the hob work again? did the van explode? tune in next time same Bat Channel same Bat station. 🤣
Impressed with the inverter cook top. We have electrical devices and an inverter running in cabin temperatures of up to 40°C. The engine room is much warmer. They all seem to get along fine with whatever cooling they find.
13:00 It wants an external temperature sensor because the temperature that the charge controller is doesn't that much matter; the differences it will inflict are more related to how full it can charge the battery than any particular harm it can do to the battery. The temperature of the battery is what matters and where damage can be done. And that battery is a SIGNIFICANT mass of a thing that's going to warm up and cool down much more slowly than the charge controller will. So you want an external sensor, physically in contact with the battery and if it's convenient to throw a bit of insulation material on so that the sensor is protected from the temperature of the air around the battery and instead measures the battery, so much the better.
Loving the set up (proof I watched this) 😄
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This video made me so happy that I bought an all in one unit, hook up to solar or household current, plug in devices into unit or route out to other outlets.
Just not convenient for me
I was half expecting the 'Eastenders Duff-Duffs' at the end of this episode, can't wait for the next instalment 😉. Good luck.
Oh, the suspense
I have a 2000 and a 1000W of that inverter model - never had a problem but at least Renogy are good at support. I use a double hob on a 2000W inverter just fine.
Shows the problem with 12V. Amperage and heat can be reduced massively by going with a 24V or 48V battery system instead. Well, your Victron charge controller can do 48V, but you'd probably have to replace the charger, inverter, and battery, which would be an expensive proposition. Cables can also be thinner. A 48V system can push 4800W at only 100A, for example. 24V generates 1/4th the heat and 48V generates 1/16th the heat.
You might want to have an actual temperature-controlled exhaust fan in that box. The inverter's internal fan isn't going to exhaust air out of the box in any appreciable quantity unless the air duct is directly in-line with the exhaust. It doesn't appear to be. It's in the same corner, but not directly in-line.
Yes indeed but everything you can buy seems to be 12V as standard, even if some of it is switchable to 24
@@Vandemonium That was true a few years ago but these days you can find basically everything in 24V and 48V. LiFePO4 batteries, Inverters, chargers, (and you already have a 12/24/48-capable charge controller).
I'm not sure what the U.K. equivalent is but here are some quick amazon searches that you can do. For the inverter, "Wzrelb" is a good brand. 12, 24, and 48V versions available in a wide range of wattages.
For chargers, it depends on the amperage. I like Victron's 12A and 15A chargers, they have 24V versions. "Victron Energy Blue Smart IP65 Charger 24/8(1) 230V UK Retail" for example.
I don't have a recommendation for 48V versions. For LiFePO4 chargers you need one that doesn't just shut-off after charging is complete.
In anycase, you have already invested substantially in 12V so it may be too costly to change. For anyone doing a new system, though, the absolute minimum should be 24V, and 48V is the all-around best solution.
Yes it all makes sense.👍
No idea what happened David , although I've only ever used 3000 W plus charger inverters , I prefer to have double the capacity that I need
I was a day away from ordering my lithium batteries when I found out they were bringing out self heating ones. So glad I was able to get those.
I considered those but they need about 4A for the heating and with only 200W of solar on the van roof, that’s quite a chunk of the available power to keep the battery warm.
@Vandemonium usually the heating only works until its up to temperature maybe 5 degrees then it switches to charging. Switching back to heating if it goes cold again. But you can get a situation where there is never enough solar to start the heating and so it just gets discharged.
I've gone for the fogstar drift which has heating. Awaiting delivery. I think your battery was a much better price than mine
Those that invented self-heating batteries - have they thought about thermal insulation yet? To reduce the average power consumption. I get the distinct impression: no.
And yes yes yes, I'm ahead of you. Of course there needs to be a cooling system or insulation bypass for when it gets too hot (from use, I presume that the heater is smart enough to switch itself off).
Excellent ending 🎉😮
Nooooooo. You can't leave it like that. We need answers. Horrified by the suggestion you read instruction manuals and by the sounds of it, back to back. Loving the videos thank you
Very nice installation David👍. Looks neat and professional. I like the idea of going fuel free to power your camping accessories. I’m interested to see how this works practically and long term.
Quite interesting! Thanks!
Totally understandable Frustrations. Quality content
Shouldn't be too big a problem, I ran a 2000w induction on a 1200w inverter on 2x120ah AGM batteries. The induction started on 1800w so I had to immediately drop it back to 1000w or lower, but it worked fine by doing that.
I'm pretty sure you'll find that when the induction is working properly, you won't use the kettle
Small slip with the hole saw cutting the vent holes. Been there. I feel your pain.
Yup. Still not fixed that 🤣🤣
Well this sounded like it was of a "shock" than some people thought it might be. Glad to see it's all well. :)
Obviously a man of many talents.
Haha maybe
love it.
We really enjoyed this series of videos David, only you could make this so entertaining. Thanks for the videos 👍
I hope they were useful?
With all the 'smart' talk, I'd put lids on the pans. Greetings from Bali.
Looks nice!
Great, now I have to turn on my notifications to find out what happens asap!
Actually it looks like an excellent installation. I can’t see a problem with anything. What just happened at the end is exactly the same problem that I am having. Looking forward to the solution!
I’ll be quite surprised if my issue turns out to be yours as well but you never know!
Someone got a lil jiggle with the whole saw,,, lol
Haha yes wretched thing
What a nail biter. It was like at the end of Lassie, where the little boy he was with got trapped down a mine as it started to rain and fill the mine shaft up with water, and then - as Lassie runs off, barking, for help - he [the dog] gets trapped by a falling branch after a tree was hit by lightening; "TO BEEE CONTINUED" *spooky voice*
Excellent and well ordered electrical system.
Thank you
Hi. Interesting video as usual. Just one thing that I noticed regarding the connection between the battery and mppt controller. From memory I believe that Victron warn against connecting solar panels to an mppt controller that is not connected to a battery. They indicate that doing so can cause permanent damage to the controller. Mind you given our current weather (no pun intended) there might not be too much solar power being generated. Keep the good work
Cheers - look again (very hard to see) and you'll spot the wire from the panel is unplugged from the controller
Someone actually thought you had not read the instructions???????
They have not been watching the channel for very long 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tease! (.....can't wait.....)
A cliff hanger, how nice. May as well venture a guess. The wiring looks good, there was no bang and you said "oh" right after the apparent power loss, It must be something simple and easily fixed like the plug fell out of the socket. No those over-engineered plugs would never so casually fall out. More like you accidentally bumped the off switch.
🤣 Perfect cliffhanger!
Proper cliff hanger.....
From Deb…David, I found a must see CZcams Van channel…Foresty Forest! Great Van re-build and cooking, this guy hikes US canyons & US and Canadian mountain ranges with little dog, death defying, epic scenery, crazy drone footage and set up shots. Gotta see it to believe it! Gob smacking…hold on to your eyeballs!
Cheers yes I know that one!
Foresty is currently (no pun intended) having mechanical problems with his van. Hey, David, maybe you can pop over here to the states and help him figure out what's wrong! That would be great: two of my favorite CZcamsrs teaming up!
Oh that would be fun!
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No its David
Ha! Very clever David.
Please don’t make us wait too long. If the inverter does overheat you could always move the top socket and fit a vent directly into inverter fans. Regards AJ.
Don't worry, part 2 was filmed at the same time and is already uploaded, just not released yet because I'm a tease 🤣🤣
Mmmn, time for several cheese sandwiches while you wait for the kettle to boil.
David in Dudley.
The temp sensor.... There's no guarantee that the MPPT will be at the same temp as the battery in many installations. Hence the need for an additional temp sensor.
But in that case, why is it happy to do voltage compensation based on temperature?! It's the inconsistency that annoys me.
@@Vandemonium Guessing it's a hangover from pre lithium days. Temp comp for lithium is mostly irrelevant. Except the dreaded freeze cut off.
i think your work assembling the bits is nice neat and clean. my camper when i got the insurance they asked me one question. did i have a wood heater? i don't. they worry so many fires from wood heaters. there seems to be a small percentage of humans that you can not please. for example if you sold 10 dollar notes for 8 bucks each someone would say its too expensive. so there you go an example of humans being humans.
Think of the chassis as a giant bus bar. You ground to that and the chassis is connect to the negative terminal…that known as a”Negative ground” and that’s how it is mostly done.
But in the spirt of being different a lot of earlier British cars had a “Positive ground” system. The frame again acts like a bus bar but it is connected to the positive side of the battery. My brothers 1964 MG is positive ground.
Needless to say you can fry a lot of things if you get them crossed.
Oh cheers yes I know that but the chassis is not used for return on any aspect of the campervan side of things (it’s twin black & red cable to every appliance individually) so the ‘earthing’ of the battery to chassis is not needed for that reason.
PS, I fitted a megafuse of 200amps to my inverter. It did fine with a kettle (camping one 1000w max output). IIRC last inverter was an old 2000w and was happy with it. :P