1177 B.C.E. - Ancient History Day interview with Dr. Eric Cline
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The amazing Dr. Cline needs no introduction around here, we await everything he does with great interest. Not only is he an amazing archaeologist and ancient historian, but he has done so much to help the public, which can’t get enough on this subject.
7:08 RIP Nick Barksdale from SAMA. Very tragic. Awesome content on his channel.
Oh, I love this guy! I've seen a few of his talks and he is _such_ a great speaker, one of the best public speakers I have ever seen. Eric Cline it to ancient history as Donald Prothero is to palaeontology.
So sorry I missed the live stream, but I am enjoying it now with some ice cold juice and a mint Magnum iced lolly.
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I'm wondering since Yahweh started out as a deity associated with the smelting of bronze in Canaanite mythology and Yahweh can be defeated by iron chariots. I have always wondered if that is somehow connected to the Bronze Age collapse and the start of the Iron Age?
Great discussion. Thank you.
I was thinking about Bronze age collapse when I saw this podcast notification ❤️. Thank you 🙏🙏
Well done! Thank you DH and guest.
I'm gonna have to finish watching this tomorrow, Eric and Megan.
It's now 3:30 in Cornwall, and my sleep pattern has been messed up somewhat recently!
Pity I can give only one thumbs-up! that was really a treat!
I read Cline's very short introduction to the Trojan War a couple of weeks ago, and it was very good. The only thing wrong with it is that it is very short, but I can't complain because it says it is right on the cover. Now _1177_ is going to the top of my wish list.
Great Video. So much good information about that period in history.
You do get some top quality guests...
I think that History is going to Rhyme wether we want it to or not and we can't control that. So the real question becomes what do we do when History Rhymes in a way that is not in our favor.
Thank you
Still patiently waiting for his second book
Same! So excited
I think that an interdisciplinary approach is good. I would suggest also including Sociology and Psychology if that's not already being done. Psychology because a person or a peoples Psychology affects their ability to adapt to changes. And I suggest even a Peoples Religion, example, " Is this the will of the Gods " and do they decide to ' Accept ' a fate that they conclude was decided by the Gods.
It looks like the "end days apocalypse" and the 4 horsemen have visited more than once. Maybe the collapse of the Bronze Age gave the ME the idea of apocalypse.
Interesting.
Do we jump headfirst descending the stairs, ending in a face plant, or do we descend gracefully? A manual on “descending gracefully “ is definitely in order. (Just in case)
BTW, I waited all week to watch live, but the internet wasn’t working. Hmmmmmmm…….
I think you did not identify Nick Barksdale “Study of Antiquity” Channel
Thank you! I'll put a link in as soon as the video has finished processing
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I am currently listening to your interview with Dr Baden on the Bible Museum…. You were discussing the evangelical perspective to the Bible which avoids complications…. And Dr Baden memorably commented with some bewilderment “…. The complications ARE what is interesting..”
@@MrArdytube He's absolutely right :)
Danny Hillis did a great Ted on "the internet will collapse, we need a plan B" just an fyi
I cannot recall if it was triggered by a quote, an article, but I wonder if there's a relation between Exodus story, rise of Israelites kingdom with gradual Bronze age collapse..
If I had managed to watch it live, I would have asked exactly that!
I suspect that the stories of Joshua and the Israelites _et al_ "conquering" everyone around them was really just nomadic tribemen walking into virtually empty cities after the collapse.
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I'm pretty sure you can find videos about this on the channel, and Dr. Cline DOES briefly address it in his book.
The short answer is: If there's some basis for the Exodus, it would have happened roughly during this period. But what we know of the period doesn't really support the Biblical account as a literal history.
But it IS during this period that we first see the word "Israel" appear in writing (Merneptah Stele) and we see a massive increase in the number of small farming villages up in the central hills that would eventually become the nation of Israel. Archeologists just believe it was more of an internal reshuffling of people in Canaan rather than an outside invading force.
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How many trees do you have to cutdown to produce 1kg of copper Vs 1kg of iron?
One
@@janezjonsa3165 It was a rhetorical question but in reality it takes two very large trees and this is why Greece looks the way it does today. It was forested.
@@dunk_law thats no quantification, to say two very large trees. And no. Greece looks like it does, as of the habitat that it provides. Forrest fires are very common at the near mediteranian area. Iron production is much more fuel demanding, due to the need for higher temperatures.
@@janezjonsa3165 I am speaking historically. For example the whole of the UK was forested before the Romans invaded. Forrest fires are common now but not historically. Its worth reading "Environmental problems of the Greeks and Romans" 2nd Ed. J. Donald Hughes. but the time of the Mycenae is earlier and huge amounts of copper were produced.
see publications.csiro.au/rpr/download?pid=csiro:EP12183&dsid=DS3#:~:text=The%20embodied%20energy%20of%20the%20common%20metals%20varies%20widely%2C%20from,for%20aluminium%20(Figure%201.)
Iron was more energy efficient so the majority transitioned to it due to diminishing resources.
@@dunk_law well, i do not agree. Iron production took pedestal, due to easy access to raw materials, and the end product much higher performances, after technology refinement.
Again, on the issue of forestation, i stick to the habitat fact. Secondly, fires were just as common and even more devastating back then, as they are now.
8:50 *Dr Eric Cline: "what caused it?"*
Are the Luwians included with Hittites? It is now understood that Luwians continued as city states.
The Peleset were settled by the Egyptians on the most fertile land of Retenu. If the Peleset were the enemy sea people surely they would not have been given the best land.
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The Phoenicians were not "basically the survivors of the Canaanites". The kingdoms of Israel and Judah, Moab, Amman and Edom were all Canaanite kingdoms. While the Phillistines were clearly made up with outside peoples and influences, they did not lose their Canaanite heritage or customs or language. They were Canaanites. Canaanite culture, and religion,, remained strong in the Levant until the conquest of the Persians and, in Tyre, Sidon, Byblos, etc... until Alexander the Great.
I'd agree that the kingdoms of Israel, Judah etc... were derived from the previous Canaanite Kingdoms but they were substantially different in being more inland focused while the Canaanite city states were characterized by being very coastal oriented. Essentially Israel, Judah etc..were the peoples dominated by the Canaanites similar to how the preeminent Greek city states dominated the region's and people's surrounding them but they still shared most culture and linguistic traditions but we wouldn't identify them simply the same people.
Dr Cline, will your new book acknowledge that there is obviously a large city buried in the plain of Troy?
I don't think Covid-19 brought us anywhere close to collapse. The 1918 flu was far worse, both in absolute terms and proportionally, and society did not collapse. The Black Death was far worse than both, with 30-50% of the population of Europe dying, and society did not collapse then, either.
I also think that global interdependence makes modern society more robust.
Less people died of the spanish flu than Covid-19. The black death spanned over hundreds of years it's to early to know of Covid-19 won't be similar
@@TheEvolver311 First, it should be 'fewer', not 'less'. Second, by "Spanish flu" I assume you mean the flu that first appeared in Kansas. Third, between 17.000,000 and 100,000,000 people died in the 1918 flu, while only a tad over 6,000,000 have died from Covid-19.
As for the black death, those deaths are for the first appearance in Europe about 1347 and running for just a few years.
@@michaelsommers2356 yes it's called the Spanish flu not the Kansas flu and according to the numbers more people died of Covid in America and is still killing people around the world so globally we still have to wait and see
I watch a lot of history stuff.
Too bad more historians don't have Clines gift for communication.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corinthian_bronze
Isn't it old fashioned to talk about 'levels' of civilization?
When my liberal friends, that raged against Trump, the rise of fascistic tendencies globally and just general shittyness, claim that, "this isn't the way____, or "I can't believe____, I take a perverse joy the pointing out that we're in a rights and freedom bubble that could pop. Up until 150yrs ago there was no concept of universal civil or human rights, the vast majority of the planet's population didn't own personal property, the power of governmental and financial systems were in the hands a a very few. That the bubble will pop isn't a matter of if but when.
Why would you take joy in that? Wtf