Krzysztof Penderecki: âTrojan Horse of the Avant-Gardeâ
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âKrzysztof Penderecki: His Life and Workâ by Wolfram Schwinger, trans. William Mann (Schott, 1989)
âLabyrinth of Time: Five Addresses for the End of the Millenniumâ by Krzysztof Penderecki, trans. William Brand (Hinshaw Music, 1998)
âDeath Set to Musicâ by Paul Minear (John Knox Press, 1987)
âAn Investigation of Textural Activity and its Hierarchical Structures in Selected Works by Krzysztof Pendereckiâ by Paul B. Daley (MA thesis, University of North Texas, 1986): digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/...
âKrzysztof Penderecki: An Interview and an Analysis of âStabat Materââ by Ray Robinson (The Choral Journal, Nov. 1983): acda-publications.s3.us-east-...
âEmbedded Tonality in Pendereckiâs âSt. Luke Passionââ by Dominick DiOrio (The Choral Scholar, Spring 2013): dominickdiorio.com/_files/TCS...
âKrzysztof Penderecki's âPolymorphiaâ and âFluorescencesââ by Peggy Monastra (Moldenhauer Archives at the Library of Congress): memory.loc.gov/music/molden/24...
"Experiencing Structure in Pendereckiâs âThrenody:â Analysis, Ear-Training, and Musical Understandingâ by Mariusz Kozak (Music Theory Spectrum, Issue 38)
âAn Analysis on the âFirst String Quartetâ of Krzysztof Pendereckiâ by Mikel Andrew LeDee (DMA dissertation, LSU, 1996): digitalcommons.lsu.edu/cgi/vi...
âAxial Pitch Organization in Pendereckiâs A Cappella Worksâ by Jonathan Robert Goheen (MA thesis, University of British Columbia, 2000)
âString Quartets of Penderecki: Analyzing Form, Harmony, and a Return to Traditionâ by Anthony Cotto (IU Undergraduate Research Journal, 2011)
âA Motivic Analysis of Krzysztof Pendereckiâs Cadenza for Solo Violinâ by Sila Darville (DMA research paper, Texas Tech University, 2017): ttu-ir.tdl.org/bitstream/hand...
www.bruceduffie.com/penderecki...
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Classical Nerd is a video series covering music history, theoretical concepts, and techniques, hosted by composer, pianist, and music history aficionado Thomas Little.
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- Krzysztof Penderecki: Polymorphia (1961) [original upload: Wtq5iCxCIdU]
- Thomas Little: Dance! #2, performed by Rachel Fellows, Michael King, and Bruce Tippette
- Krzysztof Penderecki: Symphony No. 1 (1973), performed by the National Polish Radio Symphony Orchestra, conducted by Antoni Wit [original upload: gE3B0XwF3tg]
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A few notes:
13:06 - âLateâ in his career, not âlatedâ
16:13 - The diagrams from _String Quartet No. 1_ here are found in Mikel LeDeeâs dissertation, cited in the video description
41:43 - It's *Sirus* Zandfard, not Sirius, and *Aidan Somsen* should also be mentioned in the $2 tier.
29:53 This is one of my greatest fears as an emerging composer. There have been so many revolutionary composers whose incredible styles have been copied to the point of ordinariness, and we are forced to search for novelty and shock in a musical landscape where where novelty and shock themselves seem to have become ordinary.
This channel is truly a gem. Thank you for all your work and all these great documentaries! I've learned so much here
Ditto!
I grew up in Poland and I remember seeing Penderecki once on TV discussing his works with music critics. This was in the 1970s at the time he was leaving the "traditional" avant-garde behind which puzzled many people. His answer regarding his turning back to the late 19th century, Mahler, etc.: "One cannot forever walk around in boy's shorts" :-) I also have an interesting clip from a 1990s Polish TV broadcast in which he discusses his "Credo". Adding English subtitles now. Will post the link here when I'm done.
Sounds great I'm amused
Thank you for your telepathic response to my telepathic complaint CN Thomas. This is my new favourite episode for content enhanced by your carefully choreographed side glances and the power of your bookshelf. Most enriching. đ
Great musicological popularization. Almost perfect Polish pronounciation. Very nice.
I met Penderecki when I was 12 years old at a concert of the Eastman School Sym. Orchestra. at Rochester, NY. I was a very precocious child.
Kosmogonia was the FIRST piece of Avant~Guarde / Post Modern music I had ever heard.
It scared the hell out of me ... although, it changed my "understanding" of music to a large degree, which led me to seek out more like it. POWERFUL STUFF! That was in 1977!
I've introduced my daughter to some of this incredible music ever since she was little, and at 20, she loves it too!
Fantastic piece! DziÄkujÄ!
I'm a great admirer of Penderecki. The values of his early "experimental" pieces are paramount to what he went on to compose...... Some unbelievable iconic music. Another great masterclass Tom.
Excellent video of a fascinating composer. Many thanks!
Cool video! Thanks for posting. I have been a huge Penderecki student of his works for decades and use his style of "sound mass" in my film scores. I even had a short film called Totem which I wrote for 52 strings (like Threnody) and recorded in French Polnasia-- I included at one key moment a 52 note cluster hit like the end of Threnody. RIP Penderecki! I really hoped to hear more new works from him before he passed. Brilliant composer of unique emotional power
Title is well-chosen :DD Love your channel!
This is one of the best presentations I have encountered in any venue.
It features a knowledgeable speaker who commandingly ranges over his material in a way that is cleanly articulate throughout and succinctly expressive at all the right points.
He delivers with none of the pandering mannerisms or generational affectations that mar what we often see and hear.
My only suggestion would be for him to drop the trendy ânerdâ designation and opt for something as simple as âteacherâ, a term that more accurately reflects his accomplishment.
Love your videos
I just found this channel and I loved this video, thanks.
Another home run! I always love see youâve posted a new video
love this channel đ
Simply adore your videos dude!!!
Very excellent detailed overview.
What a marvellous documentary. Thank you for the effort in making it.
great work, thanksđ
Iâve enjoyed so many of your videos, but this one is one of my favorites. Fantastic analysis and observations, along with your comprehensive research! Thank you so much!
I love this composer and I absolutely love this video. Thanks for doing such a comprehensive biography!
Wow, you have given so much detail
I've always wanted to know more about this thoroughly unique composer. Thank you!
If you've seen "The Shining" (1980), then you've heard Penderecki's music before. "Polymorphia" plays during the "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" scene, and "Kanon" for string orchestra plays during the "Here's Johnny" scene.
Finally! Was waiting for this for a loooooong time! Penderecki deserves to be out there more on the music front...
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P.S. - Ig since my request quota has emptied a bit, can you fill it in again with a request for a look into the Russian composer Nikolai Kapustin? He was a gem of a pianist....
gem of a composer too, for how tough those pieces can get they're catchy as hell
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yet another fantastic insight into a composer that i have no understanding of . Thank you classical nerd!
Excellent video!
Thank you. I studied with Penderecki for several years and appreciate the care you take with his music and your enthusiasm for it. From what I know, your comments are about 80% right, which is a pretty good percentage! Thanks for posting.
Thanx, Maestro Thomas. đčđČđč
And thank you, too, Brenda! Hope you're well.
A remarkably insightful and illuminating discussion not only of Penderecki and his music but of many pertinent aspects of the 20th-century Avant guard music scene altogether. A really marvelous lecture as there is so much to learn here and as inherently complex as many of the ideas are, his way of presenting them is always clear and comprehensible.
This is great stuff and I'm not a musician, just a wanderer who discovered Penderecki through Kubric's uses of it to score the film 'The Shining.' I've been casually researching why his pieces work so well in that context to phonically underscore an overwhelming visual terror on screen. On the way here I found the irony in the 'apparent' subject (if you are a Polish speaker familiar with Orthodox prayers at least) that the main 'material' forming the backbone of Utrenja Ewangelia (used in the score to great effect) are Orthodox prayers about Christ's Resurrection. You'd think that would lend to a less terrifying composition, but its the opposite. Perhaps because a mind-breaking experience of something like 'resurrection as the tour-de-force of an incomprehensible maker' ought to be terrifying and freaky to limited mortals.
But when it comes to the ending of Polymorphia with its long C chord, even as a total non-musician this feels trite and wrong. Isn't that just the traditional way to resolve dissonance and tension musically? Is that the 'Trojan Horse,' to pull Tradition out of his hat as the Final Word? You talked about how the music had reached a point of "No where left to go," and that is what the music feels like it is intended to convey as a kind of relentless 'crescendo' of meaning, so why did Penderecki even try to resolve it? Cinematically, I would expect to see at this point a rumbling 'cut-scene' to a mushroom-cloud blast kind of finality then blackness and silence. Or perhaps a flat-line sound-effect from an EKG before someone pulls the plug, again to blackness and silence, as the inescapable conclusion of a score that is all about .. No escape!?
I still love his relatively more "radical" works above all his others. These include Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima, Utrenja, The St. Luke Passion, The Devils of Loudun and De Natura Sonoris Nos.1 and 2. And after all, what would the climax of "The Shining" be without the opening of the "Evangelika" section from part 2 of "Utrenja?" It's a religious work but now Shelly Duval grasping a butcher knife in terror and reading the real meaning of "Red Rum" on the mirror is forever burned into my psyche. đđ... Oh...and... Thomas: This is one of your best videos among your entire oeuvre. By the way, an interesting fact about "Paradise Lost" (from someone originally from Chicago): I heard the world premiere performance in real time from Lyric Opera Chicago (simulcast on radio station WFMT 98.7 FM). Fine music but quite drawn out. At the time, Carol Fox (then-General Manager of Lyric Opera) not only had this world premiere but then took it to The Vatican to perform for the Pope. This entire endeavor drew Lyric Opera very close to the precipice of bankruptcy. Fox's successor, Ardis Krainik, brought Lyric's finances back into the black, thank heavens.
Thank you for this comment!
Agreed, when listening to Penderecki, I almost exclusively seek out his earlier works.
My compositions deploy Vivaldi-style transformations upon Hayden-style quartet bits of duodecaphonic melodic turns harmonized upon the surrounding lines with the twelve notes. The harmony is then mapped as a separate item, redistributed into four lines, and used to direct the transformations of the whole.
Knowing little to nothing about music theory, I highly enjoyed this video and how well you put the subject into layman's terms, so I can atleast grasp the concepts. I have been a fan of, shall we say, difficult music, I was initially turned onto Penderecki through the bands Deathspell Omega and Ad Nausem, who count his works as huge influences. I already love his Polish Requiem and Threnody, so its great get more insight into those works as well as getting great recommendations for further listening.
Looking forward to watching more of your videos.
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Chicago Symphony, Boulez conductor, performed Threnody, musicians rebelled, eventually performed piece using student level instruments. I heard performance.
Composers chasing color. Sound as pigment to paint a thought.
Thanks for the insightful video!
On a little side note: Penderecki loved plants. I remember watching an interview with Penderecki for the Polish television, where he said that if he was given another life, he would be a gardener.
Also (if I remember correctly), he had his own labyrinth, in which he would frequently wander around seeking musical inspiration.
It is criminal how much work is clearly put into your videos vs how many likes/views they have.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Please share them, then-don't rely on the algorithm
excellent, thx for the video. I am releasing a piece in his honor today/tomorrow
Wonderful. "Structural timbre" - that's the key.
Liked and subscribed. Sometimes the CZcams algorithm smiles upon you.
His early works were great.
Great vid man. Hiroshima was my introduction to emotional effects music as a teenager.
Please do a video about Lutoslavsky. I have had the honor to perform with him conducting one of his works.
Great vid, insightful. As a future request, Alfred Schnittke (unless i'm missing it, don't see him neither in the 'pool', nor in old vids).
He's there. See my "Great Composers" playlist for an alphabetized list.
I saw Penderecki and Aphex Twin in WrocĆaw đ
My friend would call this Intellectual Head Trip Music. For me, it's the sort os music I hear once, and am not so keen to hear it again. I need a melody and beat. I do like some Ambient music and Trance (Lisa Gerrard) but when Keith Jarret is at his best, I am floating along.
Excellent pick! Thank you đ
People forget Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima was written in the wake of the a-bombs being dropped!
How could it sound pretty?
The avant-garde protests against beauty were more than justified. And yet, in a way some works are eerily beautiful...
The problem became that a lot of pieces, especially by the alumni of all the different âtrendsâ, started sounding too similar... but thatâs another story...
I'm not sure people were expecting "pretty" so much as "sad" (much as _Adagio for Strings_ gained incredible popularity in the post-9/11 USA, or GĂłrecki's _Symphony of Sorrowful Songs_ gained traction off of its similar commemoration of tragedy). Not many pieces went the route of searing, visceral emotional expression like the _Threnody._
@@ClassicalNerd Once my child asked me if zombies existed. I told him they didnât.
A couple weeks after I watched a documentary on Hiroshima, and the people burnt, startled and -most of them- dying in the aftermath. Years later I had to tell him that zombies did exist, at that exact point in time within the weeks following the most horrific of imaginable tragedies...
Without undermining what the survivors of the immediacy experienced, in a way weâre all Hibakushas, to me thatâs the message of the Threnody, and itâs delivered in that harrowing way...
The problem is that most of the convential avant-garde is not self-sufficient, it relies just as much on traditional, tonal music as the latter itself. Because if you set out to be against something, its opposite, it is just as unoriginal as the thing you are negating, much like how the absolute value of -1 is 1. I can mostly agree with you here; I won't pretend like it's beautiful, but it just relies on the fact that I enjoy ugliness, but when done right. Avant-garde music has the capacity to provide otherworldly, cerebral experiences, take Ives' Universe Symphony, which I love, but it also has the capacity to be pretentious, pathetic garbage, such as John cage.
excellent video. Maybe you can do one for Johnny Greenwood.
I'm excited for Hovhaness!
Me too! I live in his hometown and would love to see him get more attention.
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Since you've done Penderecki now, you should do George Crumb!
740âđđ»thank you Bro. greetings from KrakĂłwđ”đ±đ”đ±đ”đ±Poland
This is great, could you do weinberg next?
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So do you plan to do a video on Pierre Schaefer?
11:10 Oh my...
His music basically is the definition of what one could say is, "run away as fast as you can..."
Could you talk about Leo Ornstein?
I did, many many years ago! So, it's not very good, but it's in the back catalogue.
The arc of Perndereckiâs work makes me think of a quote by Lukas Foss: âwhat could be more romantic than the avant-garde, and what could be more avant-garde than the romantic?â
Ah one of those. This type of abstract music often just kinda sound like rain on a roof.
Reading between the lines, I think this is why he turned his back on that style-there wasn't much more you can do in it.
@@ClassicalNerd , do you mean there is no more that can be done in the classic-romantic style?
I don't believe so. If Mozart were to live a few more years, he would surely have produced any number of new masterpieces in that style. (And the same for any other composer)
Of course that would be in the 18th century - if Mozart were living in the last century he would be writing in that contemporary style. But that cannot mean that the old style is exhausted. We just seem to be products of our own times.
You are underestimating the beauty of contemporary music and rain on a roof.
I said that I think this is why _he_ (which which I mean Penderecki) decided not to continue writing sonorist music and transitioned away from that from _Fluorescences_ onwards. He believed more could be done in a post-Mahler idiom than the expressionism and serialism that historically ensued.
@@Whatismusic123 You don't know what's delusional and what's not.
I see some entries are deleted from the Requests page. Copyright concerns?
I've made changes to the way that requests are handled since I get-and I cannot stress this enough!-way more requests than I'm likely ever going to be able to fill. I post these on Patreon (as requests from patrons are handled with more weight) as well as my community page. See czcams.com/users/postUgy0SFlpWJRa4Tb4HFF4AaABCQ and czcams.com/users/postUgkxesREPi9GEshbXPFTNjAhZMeVj47vxJRw
You need to do a video on John Williams.
I typically avoid covering composers with ongoing careers in the event that they produce a salient late work that would merit mentioning. However, I'm not opposed to discussing someone like Williams in a film-music context more broadly-the trouble is, there are already many fantastic film-score-analysis CZcams channels out there.
@@ClassicalNerd There are videos about his music but not really about him.
@@ClassicalNerd Heâs not worth the time you put into making these in-depth analyses of the composersâ life work.
Heâs more into forgery than into making original music. There are tons of composers still awaiting to be featured in one of your videos. đ
@@simonrodriguez4685 John Williams is always worth the time.
@@MaximilianMKGill There could be scores of original motion picture scores, and even then they wouldnât score one against the master pieces of the concert hall music tradition.
Could you do one about Carl Reinecke?
I mean, I can put him on the list, but don't get your hopes up: lentovivace.com/classicalnerd.html
Thank you so much for responding! Iâve never seen a more devoted creator in my life time.
Can you do George Crumb? đ€š
I'm not convinced that his career is over, which is a necessity for a retrospective of this sort.
Iâve found my people here.
How about the Swiss composer, Frank Martin?
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Possibly the greatest composer for the last 100 years.
It is hardly possible to discuss Penderecki without mentioning Eugeniusz Rudnik and Polish Radio Experimental Studio. Without Rudnik, Penderecki's early avant-garde pieces for tape (Psalmus, Ekerecheria) just would not exist.
This being said, I strongly suggest investigating PRES and Polish avant-garde composers, like KotoĆski, Sikora, KEW group, Mazurek and many others.
11:00 Itâs a great joke!
Penderecki was darker and creeper than a lot of black, doom and death metal bands.
33:42 is Christian bale, no cap
There is an âsâ sound in his last name!?!?!?
Well, in my accent, yes. The IPA is ËkÊÉšÊtÉf pÉndÉËrÉtÍĄskÊČi
@@ClassicalNerd I see! Thanks for the whole video.
Padre Antonio Soler pls
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@@ClassicalNerd Thank you.
Penedercki is always neglected when people talk about the giants like Shostakovich---Krystoff was every bit as talented and his symphonies are so rich and dramatic
lol exactly, the c major is so out! i would c major there but without 3 or added the maj9.
It reminds me of the Beatles' song "A Day in the Life" ending on an E major piano chord after a minute of orchestral cacophony (where the musicians were asked to gradually play from the lowest to highest notes of their instruments). I wonder if the Beatles knew of Penderecki. (They were certainly influenced by the avant-garde in "Revolution No. 9".)
Man, Poland wasnt atheist, catholicism was just shuned and opressed...
The Polish People's Republic was, like all Marxist-Leninist states, an officially atheistic regime.
"Lawyers and locksmiths"
If all were honest...
radiohead. jeez.
Your point being ... ?
I think he means that Radiohead is as famous as Jesus.
You clearly haven't really listened to Radiohead and know nothing. Try listening 'properly' to Jonny Greenwood's There will be Blood or Spencer soundtracks, it might surprise you.
After all that dissonant mess, the chord sounds out of place and jarring. I would've thought of it as a statement on perception of harmony being reinforced by convention and expectation, rather than being an innate quality of a certain way of writing music.
Great video!