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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 25. 06. 2024
- Paired up the MPC One with the Tascam Model 12 to do some testing. Latency and usability is on the menu. Needless to say, the MPC One pairs incredibly well with the Tascam Model 12, 16, and 24.
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0:00 Intro and Tascam Latency
1:32 Pairing the MPC with the Tascam Model 12
3:19 Multitrack Flexibility
4:54 Multitrack example
6:00 One USB cable setup
7:09 Slick setup
8:10 Thanks for watching!
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I have a One, and recently purchased a Model 12 (good purchase, btw). One thing I like about it is that you can, in a pinch, use it for backing tracks, and the MIDI out can send MIDI clock and MTC, so it can drive the delays or arpeggios on at least one synth (again, haven't tried it yet), or sync up to other sequencers. It's a bummer that the MIDI in won't receive these signals, though, as I really wanted to buy a second unit and slave them together. Perhaps Tascam should get on that, too. Really dig the track, btw.
I have an old Korg D1600 but I haven't experimented with it alongside my MPC One. It can't be used as an interface so I tend to use it for linear recording.
I use the MPC Live 2 and Zoom L-20R
I have a live 2 and model 12 as well. Im currently moving so i havent been able to try them out together but its in the back of my head
I have MPC ONE + Tascam MODEL 12 hooked together via USB hub with all my synths and it is really nice setup to make music with.
Nice!
So you're not getting all the crackling pops being reported all over the place when using an audio interface?
@@hardtakeoff I get pops when sending audio from the Tascam model 24 into my mpc x through usb audio interface mode.
@@hardtakeoff people who are reporting crackle-pops are NOT setting it up right. Open the control panel and start adjusting until it's stable, like you do with any audio interface. It's all very 'tell me you're new without telling me you're new'
Modern and minimal dawless rig - loving it đ
Looking for a new mixer myself to go along with my MPC ONE and the Tascam Model 12 seems like a great choice. Thanks Tefty for another great informative video. All the best
Wow your knowledge is next levelâŠthank you for taking the time to educate all of us following musicians.
I was just looking at this mixer! Thanks for making a video on this.đđ»
nice track. simple and catchy. thanks for the overview of the rig...
Nice setup and cool sounding track! Also: that was a beautiful guitar there!
great breakdown! Thank you for the video. Subbed right away!
Thanks for all your work
Best regards, Rick
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Dude that song is pretty fire actually.
Oh man this is the channel I have been looking for!!! Liked and subscribed!! Literally the setup Iâm after. I brought the Onyx 8 and have realised the hard way that I now need the Model 12. Keep up the good work man!!!
Thanks so much! We actually moved our technical content over to a new channel. Here's the link: czcams.com/channels/_0rGx4ifn3dufNhicjh06g.html
Whatâs up man. Ordered a Onyx 12 and it comes in tomorrow but I was wondering what issues you had with it with your mpc? Something tells me I should just send it back, order a model 12 and never even open the onyx
very nice I started out that way, with your talent probably wouldnt know the difference it sounds Good.
Very cool. You just sold me on the Model 12.
Wanted to share a story with you. I'm a singer songwriter who after so many years of throwing away money on studio time finally decided to invest in gear. Originally I was just gonna get an old 414 tascam and a boss 404 sampler and just find a good engineer to do transfers and clean up mixes. And I specifically wanted to go DAWless because I didn't want to go thru any learning curves with software recording. Went to guitar center in LA and was told about the Model 12. Then when I got back to the bay area, I went to another guitar center and was told about the MPC One. Soon afterwards the idea of pairing the two hit me. Wasn't exactly sure though how this idea would be received with others, but again I wanted to take a chance with going full on dawless in these days and times and seeing that I just turned 50, I wanted to use this opportunity to go back in time a bit to when I was actually recording stuff on older tascams and mpc in the 90's. Then I came across this video randomly. This is a confirmation that I'm on the right track. Thank you for this. And if it's cool... I'd love to hit you up from time to time on pointers on how to really use these two machines together to get really take my tracks to the next level.
i'Ve been using TASCAM 12 with lots of different grooveboxes, it's a great DAWless hub! with MIDI sync
The MIDI sync, is important, and this is the only mixer/recorder, that has it.
Great video
Hi Tefty! Fantastic video as always. I was planning to get a Model 12 today for my MPC One and then I checked your channel and saw thisđ€Ł Thanks for the tests you have made. Iâm curious about the usb hub you are using for your setup, could you please tell me which one you are using? Iâm also curious about the midi hubs(thru, merger etc.) you use, could you please share the information? Thanks a lot!
The Model 12 is super nice have one too
Your vid's are awesome and I'm a fan. For anyone not getting your explanation on the Model D output I'd suggest they think of the Model D as a "player piano" that responds to a hole-punched roll of paper (MIDI) that triggers the notes.. but the output is 100% analog like a guitar, mic vocals, or analog synth. So, to get that analog signal back into a digital format (DAW, MPC, Model 12) treat it like you're recording mic/guitar. It's going to have to go through a A/D conversion to get back into the digital world of DAW/MPC/Model 12.
Same setup! You guys will provide ton of inspiration I am sure. Will try your pack too. Good stuff!
Just got my tascam yesterday!
Nice! Congrats on the setup đ
Downloaded the sample pack. Great stuff, although my level of sophistication doesn't qualify me to make a fair assessment. In any event, another great post. I can't wait until I understand everything you are talking about. Regardless, your chill demeanor and your thoughtful delivery makes your material approachable to a broad range of consumers. Keep it coming, sir.
By the way I love that song canât wait to hear the full version
SUPER HELPFULL
Ghost spotted, Tefty is a Guardian!
What a beautiful singing voice
Nice indeed
Thanks man
I'm really wanting to get the model 16 for my MPC ONE.
How are you hooking up the mpc to the tascam ? Just usb chord ?
Cool video! I own an Sp404 Mk2 with a looping guitar rig (Aeros Looper) and have the Tascam Model 12 being shipped. I'm so excited! Any good videos detailing the MIDI functionality with the Tascam? Can I get it to record as soon as I start a loop? Thanks!
that track is nice i would like to hear the full track
Looking forward to doing something similar with my MPC One & my Zoom L12...although I do not expect better results than your Tascam Model 12(less options but still functional). Mainly I want to learn to use it as my preferred set up for writing & a live performance setup.
As always thanks for your excellent content & info!! đŻđ„đđŒ
Also I am assuming that I can use my MPC One as a âplaybackâ device of prerecorded tracks instead of a computer/tablet to use in a live setup. Having different tracks routed to a mixer such as my Zoom L12 to control IMO seems like a handy option.
Yup, absolutely.
Thanks for watching! đâ€
What is the hub that's being used? You mention this at around 6 minutes. Thanks for another great video!
I've been looking for a unit to add to my setup. The MC707, Maschine + and Digitakt. Your videos on the MPC One are giving me major GAS vibes. The cost and everything I see it do, DAMN!!!
Yep, gears expensive. However! Gear tends to retain value after the initial purchase đđ
@@TeftyMeems keep telling yourself that haha, definitely not true
Hi! At 3:00 you mention the MPC is sending drums to 5/6. How is it connected? I see only power and usb host cable in the back of the MPC. Thanks love your content!
I think the delay comes down to the capacitance. In the end, the discharge of the capacitors result in a delay that can't be avoided without the risk of heat, if the discharged is allowed too fast. Sound, is still just electricity..
Iâm using a DP-24
Just started working with model 16. Very cool. No idea how to get audition to play via any other channel than 1/2.
U know your stuff
Could the Model12 function like your analog board does for routing� Or are the ins/outs not the same?
I' m currently using the MPC One with my Focusrite Clarett+ 8 Pre as an audio interface. Love the idea to shape the sound with a mixer like the Model 12 while recording into the MPC and the multitrack option. But I guess the Model 12 might be downgrade when it comes to the quality of the preamps, the converters and the latency compared to the Clarett+?!?!
Got a model 12 on back order in UK . recently got email saying not coming for 15 weeks due to chip shortages ... bought Mackie Onyx in the mean time .. đ€·đ»ââïž
how are the preamps? i have the dp24 and this would be more up my ally. can get ride of that and my pa mixer and have just one. Like you, I like having the option of not having to use the pc.
can you do a tascam model 12 setup with a docking station with mpc one where to plug in Thanks!!!!
My tascam arrives next month. Can you confirm that I can hook up my synth audio to the mixer, usb to mpc and record midi on the mpc ?. This would allow me to re record and change midi on the fly or edit the midi track on mpc. So far only seen examples using internal mpc instruments.
Do you have a good idea on how to get a analog mix ?
You try triggering MPC from Model 12 to simplify track edits? Think that approach works for overdubs đ
I have the model 12 also and for the life of me I cannot figure out how to do multiple takes for vocals recording into multi track or overdub do you have any idea how to do that also is there a way to make the model 12 the master for timing so when you hit record everything records at the same time Or make the MPC the master so when you hit play and record it controls the model 12
Hey guys. Iâm fairly new to music production so bare with me. Right now I solely use the mpc & make sample based beats (for now). I donât even know if Iâm about to make sense but here goes... I am wondering if I can sync all of the tracks that I have made on the mpc into the mixer & multitrack? I am super keen to purchase a mixer but for the life of me havenât got a clue on how to operate one & use it with the mpc live 2.
I would like to know if itâs a possibility if I can record the XYFX to tascam without issues?
Tefty - Why didn't you go with the Tascam Model 24 with more tracks.
Do you know if the MPC One will sync to the Model 12's Midi Time Code through USB?
Curious if the model 16 & model 24 have the same latency as the 12 considering that the model 12 is a digital mixer while the 16 and 24 are analog boards.
People keep saying the Model 12+ line is a great DAWless setup when its also an incredible DAW setup too.
Is model 12 the only mixer that will wok wirh mpc one or is there any cheaper models that work that are reosenably priced i heard all bheringer mixers will work two is that true ?
i wish y'all guys would show how to hook up cabling to the model 12 and pc usb my usb indicator light my indicator light will not light up
hello what the sony headphones do you use?, thanks
Could anyone recommend a mixer like the tascam but with less latency?
Is Tascam Model 12 needs power amp for using passive speakers?
Si je comprend bien le Tascam permet de séparer les pistes de la MPCONE ?
I've got the Model 12. I'm just a little lost on the USB hub connection
lets hope akai fix the latency with an update
Great job as usual Tefty đ, interesting technique, love â€ïž the idea that just using the excellent Tascam 12 for multi tracking on the fly, useful sound card, built ins n outs, final mixing in Ableton etc. I'm thinking my setup will consist of a Multitrack mixer/recording, micđ€ ,synths, possibly a DJ mixer 4 or 6 track connected to guitar pedals for ambient sounds, techno, a pioneer DJS1000 as my sampler, drum machine,pad controller, output through my Mackie Mk3 monitors,should be good to go by Jan next year, cant wait!đ€
đą Hi, I have an Akai MPC 61, I replaced the Focusrite interface with a Tascam Model 12 as in the Akai CZcams videos and I still have crackles in the sound when playing. if I have the Akai internal interface in the audio settings, it's OK - do you have such a problem? How to fix it ?
I'm looking to buy Model 12 but looking around on the net why do we have so many used Model 12 for sale can u have Used or New!!!!
@tefty
Do u have sound issues with the new mpc 2.11. 5 update? When I'm connected with my tascam, there are sound glitches EVERYWHERE, anybody struggling with it too? Any solutions out there? It's pretty frustrating
Turning up the main fader to increase studio monitor volume causes internal distortion. How do you turn up the volume on your studio monitors without turning up the main faders.
Is it possible to master in the Tascam?
I Got a question.
When you multitrack recording and saving these tracks on the tascam sd card, are these all tracks recorded post eq, post fader, post gain, post fx, or they are just post gain?
Really want to know it.
Best regards.
For each channel you can set the recording signal pre / post compressor, or post EQ for recording on the Tascam or via USB on a PC. In the menu: "MTR/USB SEND POINT"
Very helpful video. Would you tell me if I can multirecord to the Tascam disc, using MPC5000 and Tascam Model mixer ? Using the MPC5000 USB out and the main outs plugged in the Tascam stereo IN's ? I just prefer to use my MPC5000 instead of buying MPC One.
Nope, the USB-Audio support is only recent on the MPC One, Live, X models.
@@TeftyMeems thanks homie !
Anyone having issues with MPC and Tascam 12 where outputs 1/2, 7/8, and 9/10 are the only usb audio outputs from the MPC to the model 12?
I just got my Model 12 and am experiencing this issue. Just changed my firmware to 1.30 and can't revert back to older versions it seems.
Just looking for some sage!đ»
Hi,, I am probably way too young to even be on this channel as I am only 15.... I want to start recording but I'm confused by the channel part. I write all of my songs in my one keyboard & my MPC Live 2 that I just got. I typically write & use all 16 tracks on my keyboard, plus planning to do lead vocals plus some background vocals as well. So, do I need at least a Tascam Model 24 or is there a way for me to use a Model 12 some kind of way? Thanks for your help....
What kind of usb hub do you have ?
Cool vid!! - Have a question - trying other classâcompliant by USB (my Tascam model 16 shows up in MPCii), it like seems my Maschine plus is not connecting with my mpc ll?
I have the usb conn. to mpc through audio device and it dose not appear in my preferences under audio device, humm!! Is the maschine + class complaint? if so, we can do a private session on how to do this!!
Hi Eddie! So Iâm honestly not sure if you can connect the Maschine+ to the MPC. The reason is the Maschine+ would try to be the host, just like the MPC, so I donât think itâll connect via USB. Youâll have to stick with standard 5 pin MIDI cables for that.
Bought Model 16 in early July, still hasn't got one because Tascam quality control appears to be awful, the first one broke in a week, the second one came defective, it's the end of September now and I'm still waiting for them to hopefully repair it. Think twice before getting a Tascam, unfortunately I am not aware of any competing product on the market, a bunch of them do sd recording of just the master.
So for recording guitar and vocals Is is possible to do live track recording from the tascam to the mpc through that usb connection?
Correct đ
Do you have a powered usb hub plugged directly into the MPC which is used for your Mixer and Midi inputs? Or are you using Midi inputs on the mixer and mixer direct to MPC?
You answered me at 6minutes. Sorry for being inpatient đ€Łđđœ
So strange you make the most relevant videos to my interests. I was looking at a multitrack today
Great minds đȘđȘ
This or the SSL Six?
Just got the 16. Is it possible to sidechain multiple external synths to a kick drum sample? Can the mpc handle that? I tried without much luck. Would it just be better to bring all the tracks into a daw?
I'm pretty sure the MPC can handle a sidechain but I don't remember off the top of my head how to chain it đ€ However, if you're ultimately gonna mix it in the DAW, then yeah, probably easier to just do it in the DAW come time for mix.
What was the device that you had to the right of the MPC One, and what does it do?
Seriously? It's a model d, a mono synth. A clone of the original Minimoog from the 70s.
What is the advantage of passing audio through the MPC? I understand that in this case you can use MPC for sampling or/and as audio effect, but with at last 8 ms latency. Isn't it better to control external synthesizers from MPC via MIDI and run the mixer in standalone mode (that is, connect MPC to the mixer with audio cable, not usb)?
I have no experience with MPC, but I am seriously considering one, hence the question.
Good question! The benefit is being able to split out the sampled tracks in the MPC into multiple channels. For instance, if I just routed the outputs from the MPC, then the drums and guitar parts would be "baked" in together on a stereo track. What's nice about the Model 12/16/24 is you have each track automatically setup as an analog mix AND multitrack recording session.
Let me know if that answers your question! đ»
@@TeftyMeems Yes, that explains it all. However, you can probably record external tracks on a mixer and export MPC tracks to a DAW as audio? Only in that case you can't mix on the mixer anymore, you have to go back to the computer.
yup, lots of ways of achieving similar goals. The Tascam approach is nice because it multitracks live performance stuff while being able to directly connect into the MPC audio routing. But yeah, could totally export tracks directly out of the MPC.
@@TeftyMeems what do you have the Arturia keyboard hooked up to in this video? Also is everything going to a sub hub?
Wish I could make my new mackie to work the same. Smh can anyone help?
Sort of off topic, but I'm a podcaster who is just getting into music (I'm learning VCV Rack and just got a MicroFreak) and wondering whether you think the Model 12 might be the right hub for this sort of thing? They also have the Mixcast 4 coming out, which looks interesting and is definitely designed for podcasters, but I wonder whether the Model 12 might offer more room to grow if I get more into the music side.
Would I be right in assuming that there is no delay compensation in the Tascam when monitoring or on the SD card recordings? I.e. Sources switched to âpcâ are 8ms delayed compared to analog inputs that have the same midi clock? And is that latency consistent at 8ms whether itâs the MPC as a source or (say) the laptop? Did you find that latency difference ok for jamming/tracking or was it off-putting? Thanks
Go into the MPC grid view and nudge 2 or 3 times to the left with TC turned off. I find this is all compensation you need
Noobie dawless question: If the Tascam can record and store audio what is the point of the Mpc one? Trying to figure which one to get first. Thanks!
Iâm not an expert on d.a.w.l no next to nothing but never had a couple of the household the kids do but I agree I learn 12 and had to do things I like the new technology every time I try to use a W messing up and Iâve heard producers say if you donât know what youâre doing youâll be overwhelmed with options and make mistakes and some people may use it for the wrong reasons change the voice or whatever if I already can sound decent with most people crap then itâs just my personal pleasure add wanna learn but for me it ainât worth it
Great video.
MPC One is amazing with the Zoom Livetrak 12 also.
Since the 2.10.1 update, MPC is a game changer.
Watch Ableton enter the fray next year.
That Ableton Akai former partnership will become a serious rivalry in the coming years. đčđ€đ»đ€
Thank you! đ I was looking at that Zoom recorder as well đ some decent multitrack options to choose from.
Awesome. Question: are you recording all of the audio on the Model 12 SD card + recording all of the audio/midi on the MPC? I have an MPC X and just grabbed a Model 12 so super curious about your workflow. And I have a million questions about using the guitar with the MPC but later. THANKS
Hi John! So, not exactly. For writing parts, the Model 12 is mostly just setting levels and monitoring sounds. Once a jam or session has been crafted, we go about recording officially and use the Model 12 as a multitrack recorder. So we approach it as performing a whole song in one take, do a few takes, and assuming we got a good one, mix the best take.
At that point, we could also import it into a DAW and do some overdubs, extra production, if we like.
Let me know if that answers your question! Cheers đ»
@@TeftyMeems Very much appreciated. Just to simplify -- the MPC is still the "master" and you are recording audio and midi tracks on the MPC just as you did before the Tascam Model 12. The Model 12 gives you more inputs and outputs and more tweaking.
Yes correct! MPC is still the master.
Got this and return it later it is an awesome mixer packed with advance features but one thing ..the sound just not there too bad.
Here's what I don't get with this - why not just record the audio into the MPC as loops and then trigger as one shots? I believe you have an analogue mixer with the synths coming into the MPC. I have the same setup and just record my gear into the MPC in 4/8/16 bar takes per sequence. Then explode everything and send make the sequences into a song. This way you can export all the WAV files and mix every drum separately instead of being limited to 12 tracks. I just export stems and drag into Ableton.
I guess the multi tracking at once thing is the only thing I can't do, but I don't really feel like that's a hinderance.
I can see two uses - as a multi-channel input interface e.g. for drums or anything needing more inputs than the MPC has, and during mixdown to enable outboard effects, for bringing in audio from MIDI synths, and maybe as a MIDI controller and recording the stereo result in the Tascam.
Personally I export stems from the MPC and mix in Harrison Mixbus because much of the mixing I do in the MPC (or even while recording to the MPC) so the final mix is just balance and final tweaks.
@@oldunclemick Yep, and I believe he has an analogue mixer for that first point you made. Obviously I am not criticizing his setup (its sweet) just wondering if I missed anything there.
@@landonh3535 it's not quite the same with a regular mixer - that's still only a stereo input into the One whereas the Tascam gives multiple inputs to the One. That would enable recording multiple tracks simultaneously whether that's to record a drum kit or to render multiple hardware synths to audio in one pass.
@@oldunclemick Oh yeah, I noted that in my first post.The issue is that The One only has stereo Ins anyway, so that wouldn't matter here.
Are there any other mixers instead of the Tascam you could use?
The Zoom mixers are an option. I haven't tried them personally though.
@@TeftyMeems Dont you need a sequencer in this whole set-up?
How is this dawless if MPC acts literally like a daw? :D
I donât get it, why not just run everything straight into the daw and skip the expense of the model 12 in the first place?
To be sure I understand - for the recording of the MPC did you use a MIDI out cable from the M12 into the MPC for sync and record the audio out from the MPC into the M12? When you say hybrid do you mean because you are a recording into the M12 at the same time you are recording into Ableton? I know I'm asking for too much but sometimes I wish folks would include a downloadable image or PDF showing their signal flow. đ€Ș Cheers!
So unfortunately you canât since the transport on the Model 12 from the MPC, so the Model 12 recording has to be started separately. The outputs from the MPC are going through the USB cable with the Audio Interface support from MPC 2.10. The hybrid approach is taking the files recorded from the SD card on the Model 12 and importing them into Ableton for a hybrid mix. Hopefully that clears some of the confusion đ
@@TeftyMeems but then why not make the Model 12 the master and sync the MPC to it? What am I missing? - I'm sure there's something. đ
OK a quick search - since I don't own an MPC hardware device - has told me that MPC hardware bites at being a MIDI slave and it hasn't been fixed yet.
I got a crack sound issue when using Model 12 and MPC One
I am not sure if my new Model 12 is defective
czcams.com/video/gDPPLAj7wlo/video.html (detail in the description)
I had the same issue which started with the 2.11.5 update. The new update 2.11.6 didnât fix it. Had to downgrade back to 2.11.4 to remove unwanted noise.
â@@sneaksgotbeats downgrade, good idea. let me try.
Stuck between buying the Tascam or the new Mackie Onyx 16
The Tascam sounds better, imo
@@NoQualmsTheArtist Cheers for the feedback, I am actually more concerned about the audio drivers
I have an older Onyx 16i from the mid 2000s. Theyâve sounded great in the past. However, I think the Tascam has a great sound to it. Also I donât think the new Onyx boards can multitrack to an SD card, only a mix.
@@TeftyMeems I too have an Onyx 1620i which I used for years but the Firewire connection
has left me wanting this Tascam Model 12 now.
Yuuuup I just recently looked into Firewire options for my PC đ€Łđ€Ł
It's been a solid analog mixer, but a Model 24 is very tempting as a main setup đ
I sold my Tascam Model 16 to buy my MPC One đ€Ł
I think you made the right choice! Creativity first, IMO đ
anything more than 5ms makes performance an issue...