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The EX is an absolute beast. If there was an aircraft that could be considered a flying SAM site, that would be it.
Great flying GS
Can we get some SU 47 berkut content?
"Radar fails and pitbull missiles"... Tight situational awareness for you in the F-16 against a missle truck. Great job all the way to the "merge ?"
Where is F-16V block 70/72?
Shooting 16 Aim120s is better than losing a F-15EX with 16 Aim120
I was extremely underwhelmed with the 120's performance in this video. How many millions worth of missiles did not hit target?
@@ljbrandt500 they were all shot at low altitude, low PoK. More strategic than tactical.
@@brianwright9514 at a cost of over 1m per missile I wouldn't accept that excuse and would challenge the contractor (raytheon?) to figure out a more effective implementation. It seems the technology hasn't improved much in 20yrs
@@ljbrandt500 alot of them were launched knowing they wouldn't hit the target. They are used to keep the other guy defensive.
@@ljbrandt500 3 million per missile as of a few years ago. Im sure its more now.
That angle... with the F-15 dropping flares as the missile rips in to destroy the F-16. If Growling Sidewinder ever made a Top Gun style movie he'd know all the camera angles and shots to make to build the tension.
lots of the visuals from his videos look cinematic enough to be movie worthy but this looked like one of the cooler shots
Rare to see you lose a BVR, but I guess 16 AMRAAMs will do the trick!
F-15EX: "Fox... everything!"
Did you hit the F-15 with you 9x?
@@cakej1 Looks like it got flared off.
Impressive he made it that far. I thought this was gonna be one of those videos where he dies 4 times and gives up
Like GS said, the F-15EX kept pushing him off with those BVR shots.
With the crappy F-16 radar and a 10 missile deficit, you're just getting to the merge. That's impressive. Would have liked to have seen Tacview on this one.
The F-16's radar is way less powerful than the F-15EX's radar yes, but it's definitely not crappy.
@@turnnburn6892 The 16 was dropping lock so often and had a hard time locking even with datalink it doesn't instill much confidence.
It might not be a crappy radar on its own, but when you compare it to the F-15..
@@icin4d The APG-68 does that sometimes (which is in part fault of the RWS), and tbf, the F-15's radar is like twice as big
However remember to not corelate Datalink and Radar, as the former can not influence the later: all the datalink does is tell you what the others see by combining a net of comunication and geographical infos to guarantee maximised Situational Awareness, but if the radar has no return waves (or if they get ignored, which may happen for several reasons including weak signal and pulse doppler filters), it will not see the bandit. What he did at the start was simply tell the F-16 he was interested in that aircraft detected by the AWACS, so that the Viper could display it on the HUD and HMD
We actually have not seen a tacview in a long time
Ratheon Exec: "What do you mean he fired 8 AMRAAMS at an F16 within 30 miles and they ALL missed"?
"Tell the chief engineer not to bring his lunchbox tomorrow"
Until the contract gets canceled...he increased the sales. Ha ha
The F-15EX is essentially supposed to be a missile truck that will support the f-22 and f-35. I believe the idea is the stealth fighters go up ahead since they are stealth and use their radar to lock targets and then use data link too guide missiles fired by the f-15EX . But the Air Nat Guard is also getting f-15EX as a direct replacement for the f-15C. in the Nat guard they will still maintain the crew of one pilot even though there is space for two crew. The airframe is essentially a highly upgraded Strike Eagle.
That's exactly what it's roll is***** dang auto correct.
Okay so yeah it's going to be in direct support for the F-35 and possibly the F-22. People are totally oblivious to the fact that it's also going to be a ferocious bomber once the airspace is clear.
Exactly since the airframe is still capable and supported it made sense to have it serve as a support amramm launcher due to data link epicness
Except, they won't support the F-22 because the F-22s are getting retired. The F-15EX will simply become the workhorse ADF.
Yeah, it's basically meant to carry and toss a lot of missiles, which will be guided in via datalink information, whether that's given from stealth aircraft or AWACS or whatever.
Air Force ordinance crew: "How many AMRAAMs will you like?"
F-15EX - "Yes"
I just got my bachelor's degree, and now I'm starting the paperwork to become an F-15 pilot!
I've been watching your videos to get my own VR setup going.
Good luck! You will be living my dream!
aerospace bachelor here, good luck bro!
Congrats man I’m graduating next year and currently starting my navy ocs package for the pilot board later this year
Are you going Guard? Don’t the let the recruiter fool you into thinking you can go in as an F-15 pilot. You have to graduate at the top of your UPT class to F-15’s - and that’s if one is available in your drop. If you’re going to a guard Unit where they fly F-15’s you still have to graduate in the top half to go to T-38’s from T-6’s.
Lol you don't start paper work to be a f15 pilot. You start paper to go to fight school. Only the top few guys get a fighter
Other countries: "Why would you need high capacity jet fighters?"
USA: "Yes."
NATO: No!
Every F-16 pilot thinks they're the king of BVR until an F-15EX shows up to the party with 16 AMRAAMs.
GS , you are up against a missile truck ! you need two more vipers to match that kind of payload .
Actually that's a good question: can Eagle II fight two F-16s simultaneously and win?
@@Laerei good chance, the F15EX carries more missiles than 2 F16s
@@immortaldev1489 whta do you mean good chance? its guaranteed. The EX was holding 16 aim120s while the f16 could carry a max of 6
@@Nanchon21 well, it's two different planes that he has to keep an eye on, it would take extra skill trying to manage them both while the recommit/defend, and if one of them catches you while your defending a missile, it makes things much more difficult
The EX apparently will be able to carry up to 22 AMRAAMs, so 3 Vipers would still be short.
The Eagle II is just immense. Who would have thought the F15 would see off even the might Raptor.
I believe GS is already made a video F22 vs 7 F15 EX. Spoiler alert: Raptor smoked all of them
Eagle II could never
@@TymaDem I was using "see off" as in the Eagle II will be in service when the Raptor retires in a few years...
@@TymaDembecause the F-15EX doesn’t have any of it’s defensive systems properly modeled in dcs
@@yuboijackson4432 neither are F22 and F35, that would be weird to say the least
Interesting BVR. Would’ve loved to see a tac view of the whole engagement to see where all those missiles went.
That Eagle was dumping ALL the flares!!!🤣🤣🤣
I would've wanted to see a tac-view of that whole engagement. Being able to see where all of the AMRAAMs went and how the f-15 flew would have been cool.
I'd bet most of those missiles were much closer to hitting than not. I'd have never made it that close once, let alone 5 times
@@jimlthor they were almost all fired at edge of range assuming enemy is flying towards it
F15 could have a “semi/auto” switch for missiles )
Select fire missile truck.
"ripple fire"
0:30 -- RE: Playing as the F-15; *You* say Underdog, I say you're playing as the Starscream.
Think, just 10 F-15EX's in formation with a couple of F-35's scouting ahead... That is 160 missiles ready to ruin your opponents' day.
I'm very impressed you withstood the glory that is a loaded F-15 for as long as you did, that's so many AMRAAMS
I'm impressed too, especially seeing as he didn't do a very good job.
The F-16 in a BVR fight shouldn't really go below Mach 1.2, I consider myself to be getting a bit slow if I'm under 1.4. He was just chilling at 0.6 regularly, and was briefly like 0.45 during that vertical recommit towards the end.
Spooky finisher. Loved the immediate transition into the closing tune. Very entertaining.
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I NEED that title❤😂 heeelp
I always use the term M.A.R. when deciding to go through a yellow light or not. Thanks to you dude!
Pro move using the PDLT to keep SA.
Anyone remember back when futurists said that the lancer would be an air to air missile boat? Did that ever happen?
Hopefully DCS gets the F16V Block 70/72 at some point. Would be cool to see.
With US' next gen air-air missiles around the corner. Would love to see an F-15ex loaded with 8 AIM-260 and 16 Peregrine missiles.
The F15EX is an E with Fly by wire, slightly more powerful engines, better offensive and defensive suites, new cockpit with a huge display. The FBW enables the use of the outboard station on the wings. The EX's will probably be flown more without the CFT's than the E's because they are filling the C's role. A F15E without CFT's is a F15C airframe with a little over 3k lbs but with about 11k more thrust but E's hardly ever fly without CFT's. An EX without CFT's will be more than a match for a C in BVR and WVR.
Huh!!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂
You almost nailed it.
Weight difference is not even close to 3k lbs when C compared to E, as C is a bit heavier than quoted from public docs and EX trade punches with E. Also, max thrust differential is only viable as uninstalled thrust. What really makes EX moving the air better are GE 129 engines which have significant advantage of excess thrust between M1,2 and M2,0 speed envelope. ANG did not purchase CFTs as part of cost reduction measure, at least not in initial budget forecasts. For ANG air defense role, CFTs are not a must which will, in turn, generate a lot of flight hours of very nimble F-15 mimicking C role, just as you mentioned. Very, very interesting show by all means.
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@@counterair173 make hauling ass great again
@@counterair173 And just think, if it hadn't have need to be fielded so quickly they could have gone with the GE-132s instead of -129s. Talk about a absolute missile of a jet
Well as we like to say, the age of dogfights is supposedly over, an air superiority fighter just needs to carry a ton of missiles.
Especially when those AIM260s come into service
The only way to really beat it I think is to play cowardly and try to make him run out of missiles but that's really hard since he can just push you to the edge of the map.
Well, THAT was too close for comfort! But "Yay" for my F-15, that I ALWAYS root for! ;-)
Amazing video! You did very well, you were fighting for your life! It shows how those misses make a massive difference
14:25 This is why the F-15EX is a Jet that enemies shouldn’t be messing with!!
Except we don't have enough Amraams to load up our fighters like that. No where NEAR enough.
@@StromBugSlayer AFJAG would like to know your location.
"How many missiles does it take to splash GS in an F-16?"
"Yes."
would love to see a F15EX vs MiG 31, nice video by the way love it!
With 16 AMRAAM D models. MiG-31 driver would be in for a load of hurt.
It’s like charging a machine gun nest.😂
I feel a lot better with the issues I've been having with the F-16 radar from to update to go after seeing GS go through the same issues with getting locks in them dropping since two updates ago
If u remember the History Channel dogfight show episode where the F-22 would lock targets and they had a B-1R missle truck. Basically the airforce ran with that idea but with an eagle platform instead. F-22s stealthily lock targets and the F15 ex launches archer shots from a safe range
I’m addition to that, the EX has a thrust weight ratio just under the f22.
correct me if i'm wrong...but the 15 can JAM radar too, right?
Growling you should do an informational video on all the variants of the F-16 like the new block 70 and you could do it with the F-18 and so obviously. And some aren’t even upgrades they’ll be used for different applications.
It's a pity that F-15CX wasn't chosen and disappeared after 2019... EX is probably the more rational choice, but I just think a single seater eagle looks cooler
they are going to fly EX with single pilot in units where it will replace C model
I love the videos, but I always love the outro music you go with. It's always very fitting... lol! Just love it!
I’d like to see the F-35 in a long range fight please
Yes, against a Su-35 because they have the same digits in their names.
@@sogerc1 The Su-35 wouldn’t detect anything unless the F-35 got within ~20 nm so the Su would just lose 100% of the time which might not be that interesting.
Like a boxer keeping you at range with his jab, until he's ready to land the knockout blow. Good kill.
As an American tax payer watching a F-15 fight a F-16, I just hope both teams have fun 🇺🇸
So structurally.. there's a lot of differences not visible to the eye but. Has the DAS similar to the F35. The TR modules on the radar got increased... and idk if they're Gallium Nitrite or not but. Its got the EPAWSS from BAE systems. And its got an extra hard point under each wing. New Engines with Better nozzles... this is what ik so far
It's 2-seat (Air Force requirement), but is also fully functional as a 1-seat (Air National Guard requirement).
The F-15EX does NOT have the AN/AAQ-37 EODAS that the F-35 has.
@@turnnburn6892 i said a similar DAS not the same one present on the F35. Obviously it wont have the exact same
15:03 My dude, in all seriousness, it’s a win to the F16-C just for getting that close (sidewinder - guns) to a F15-EX. Bravo 👏 Could’ve gone either way at that point.
Great piloting, GS.
The '16 was comparable to the F-15C...but I just don't see it routinely hanging with the 5EX Eagle.
GS That was intense watching! Great job!
It's funny. Every time you say "we're gonna recommit," I expect a missile to come screaming into your cockpit inside the next second lol
Imagine how terrifying an F-15EX would be with the AIM-260
What if Americans install the meteor bvraam into the F-15 ? 😏
@@kitty_cat_24 The Aim-260 is a better missile.
@@freddarau no shit, it's newer technology.
he's talking currently as it's still in development
I love the F-15 pilot just constantly slinging missiles
1:06 “and how many missiles would you like today, sir?”
“ALL OF THEM!” 😂
I’ve heard the EX can carry up to 22 AMRAAMs? Insanity!
Cue Nero from Star Trek 2009: "FIRE EVERYTHING!"
During development, it was to carry 22 but they scaled it back to 16.
Your channel has been my new obsession over the last month or so. Love your content man! Would love to see you dogfight piloting the F-15EX with it's improved maneuverability !
thank you brother, I appreciate you. Ya maybe something like that in the future.
The f-15EX is doing what the F4 phantom was supposed to do when it was deployed
Nice vid bro! your F-16 camou skin gave me Iron Eagle vibes^^
_OUCH!_
That was still a helluva fight. You made him work for that one.
Love the definite finality of your KIA outros
First video I’ve seen where y’all sim the EX.
Ready to rock.
I'd LOVE to see the Tomcat take on the new Eagle. Old vs. New, Navy vs Air Force. It'd be legendary.
I fought the tomcat several times in the Eagle in Okinawa. The answer is it came down to the pilots.
@@faabound Not when it comes to the EX…
Would love to see the Super Tomcat 21 go against the EX
@phantomzero2413 yes someone needs to model an advance tomcat
That would be a short fight. Both jets are awesome, though. That's for sure.
Oh my god I think we might make it to the merge if we just beat this one, we can go gun!
Growling Siderwinder last words
The F-14 has a beast of a radar. I wonder how these two will square up in a BVR fight, especially considering the AIM-54 Phoenix...
Another great video, thanks.
That F15EX made a whole eagle wall by itself lol
When i saw you were in the f-16 in this scenario, i immediately said "dude you are so screwed!"
16x AIM120s? Thus the the F-15ex became the Spamraam Eagle
F-15 EX is Fly-by-wire, Most Advanced Radar, Rated 9G - 12G, All Digital Cockpit, 2.5 Mock.
That was intense that actually would have been cool to see the tacview and all his amram's chasing you
4:03, “…confuse any AMRAAMs that may be going pitbull.” Is such a good line
Finally using PDLT! Congrats mate
lol you CAN teach an old dog new tricks it seems
I feel like he didn't gain much from it, though.
What's the use of PDLT in a 1v1 BVR fight?
@@wurfyy A lot of use because when you can't pick him up on your own radar you can see him through the AWACS
@@CaptainBiggles. Yeah, but it doesn't give you any additional information or make it easier to interpret. It just shows the enemy's direction and that's it. You get that from the HSD just the same.
If it showed the enemy's distance and altitude and also didn't disappear the moment you get a radar lock, that'd be something. You could replace the HSD with TGP so you can see missile launches as they happen instead of having to guess. As it stands the only real use I have found for it is shooting at targets that are chasing me. It allows me to really easily get an ACM lock once the target is in radar gimbal range. I could see it also being useful in a 2v1 BVR fight, or a dogfight if you're not very skilled yet and keep losing visual.
@@wurfyy I can see where you are coming from, but I do find it nice to actually be able to visualise his position in a BVR fight instead of keep having to look down at my MFDs
He was still generous with his missile he should stayed high and use cranks at the beginning of the fight and catch you while you’ll cold and than push you untill your dead that way f-16 dies with a full rack missile
Hey! EX pilot here, feel free to ask any questions. Thought i´d do an AMA :)
Great video! Would love to see one with a cam for the actual stick so we can see your hand movements!
Rudder work is also integral to ACM, especially in high off boresight merges. See those big twin vertical stabs on the Eagle? When we saw ones like it on the MiG-25 Foxbat in leaked images and footage, we were horrified because it would mean nothing we had on the drawing board or in the pipeline would match it in a turn fight. We rushed and put all our effort into F-15, making it well armed, powerful and highly agile in anticipation of having to go toe to toe with the Foxbat. Ends up they made it out of stainless steel, insanely thirsty engines and a flight regime made to take down the then cancelled B-70 Valkyrie. Not until MiG-29 and SU-27 did F-15 have a worth adversary in any flight regime, besides our own F-14 and F-16.
Awesome video!
I really enjoy the BVR videos since it's how 99% of modern jet battles will take place
BVR will almost never be 1v1
F-15’s are so damn good looking
GS after already merging: "We might be able to make it to the merge"
I have never witnessed you lose that is a new one for me
Amazing video, What monitor do you use?
I really love these BVR tactical vids
From what I understand the F-15EX should be a missile truck for F-35s although I can't imagine how you hand off a missile to another fighter.
That might be sarcasm but I'll explain anyway:
Basically, from what I understand the F-35s fly further ahead with their stealth and have a datalink with the F-15EXs that are some miles back, the F-15s launch their AMRAAMs at max range while the F-35 systems take over terminal guidance to the target. Wonder how the Air Force would tally the kills though, as the F-15EX fired the missile but the f-35 used its radar to guide it in.
That's the beauty of the F-35. Its avionics package and ability to interface with other aircraft at real time, not to mention stealth, is why pilots who fly it love it.
The entire squadron shares its targeting and telemetry data over datalink. If one craft can see a bandit, any of the others in the squadron can see and fire on it as if they saw it, themselves. Get the F-35 in closer due to its stealth to mark the targets, relay the info to the Eagle IIs and then let them fire BVR.
@@michaelthayer5351 it is what data link is all about. The F-35 targets the enemy and sends to the F-15EX to shoot the missiles.
Datalink: "Toss me a mag" but at 37000 feet.
That was a really good video!
According to an F15EX pilot that also flew the F15E the EX is superior to the E in air-to-air combat and just below. The c model in terms of air-to-air superiority. One thing I've Noticed in DCS? Is The cockpit still Shows. The E Model not the EX which is full digital Cockpit and has fly by wire controls. I'm guessing the flight model is that of the older E and not the EX meaning. The EX would be superior air-to-air in DCS if modeled correctly, that is just my assumption.
Arriving at the merge felt impossible without some terrain. I would have tried to notch and hug the ground and just maybe he would lose me long enough to approach his 6 w/ radar off
I would’ve loved a breakdown on this one
I spoke to Eagle pilots they said that the back seat in the EX can be filled in for air to air or put back in for air to ground
“We can go Gu………” classic GS killed in action
Missile truck but I think I remember they state it has some stealthyness to it. Not anything close zo F-22 but any little helps for its mission profile.
Not with that much ordnance hanging out in the slipstream
Coating
Unlikely, the intake design and massive vertical stabilizers will negate any benefit even from special coatings
Great content!
I look forward to the switched perspective of this one
GROWLER
Nice Iron Eagle colours Chappie!!
Wow, I'm impressed you managed to live long enough to get off all of your missiles!
Woooh! Dogfight Tuesday makes my dog do 2 circles around the house.
If i recall the ex is based on the Qatar airforce f15, but with our own electronics packages
So, from what I understand (and I totally admit I'm an amateur enthusiast, nothing more) the F-15 EX is as you said, an F-15E but with a massive software and hardware upgrade (including new engines). And an F-15E still has much of the air-to-air ability and agility of the F-15A/C. Yes, it's a missile-truck, but it's a missile truck that can still knife-fight with the best of them.
it's a nimble missile truck basically
It might be time to try the Foxhound again, with the Eagle II!
The F15EX is essentially supposed to use datalink to lob off missiles while using its improved cross section to get a little closer to targets than say a regular F15E. Still not invisible but definately harder to see. Since F22s and F35s would be guiding AMRAAMs in to their targets via datalink (while launching their own) it would essentially be able to help those stealth fighters clear the skies much easier. Once skies are clear the F15EX basically becomes a bomb and atg missile truck. Able to carry much more than an F35 or F22 for strike missions.
Damn That was Good flying that Viper 👏
What's the outro song title??? Great flying, as always!
You did really well.