Illegal Drone Flying
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- Illegal Drone Flying, that's not something that I wanted to do, but it happened to me! Flying drones in national parks is a no-no, and unfortunately, I flew in one without knowing that it was one! Please do your research and fly legally! Be sure and check the website for the National Park Service
www.nps.gov
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What do you think about this National Park Service Rule? Also, check out the US Army Ban On DJI Drones! czcams.com/video/LimZVvr_ZYQ/video.html
If someone is reckless then fine them. If someone is disturbing the peace take appropriate action.
That is sufficient.
The control freaks running the Nany state will take as much freedom from the people that they can. Government of the people, by the people, and for the people used to mean something.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Your public service announcement is a better deterrent to illegal flying in US National Parks than any fine. I think the rule is silly. I think that a putting in a fee based permit system that allows for flying under certain conditions and safety guidelines is the best way to go. Until the rule is changed the rule breakers stand in the way of changes being made. As for the Army ban on Dji Drones - I'm behind it. Dji is arguably the best consumer technology around, but for military use I think the systems need to be proprietary, secure, and made in the USA.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Your public service announcement is a better deterrent to illegal flying in US National Parks than any fine. I think the rule is silly. I think that a putting in a fee based permit system that allows for flying under certain conditions and safety guidelines is the best way to go. Until the rule is changed the rule breakers stand in the way of changes being made. As for the Army ban on Dji Drones - I'm behind it. Dji is arguably the best consumer technology around, but for military use I think the systems need to be proprietary, secure, and made in the USA.
How about designated federal wilderness area?
I think you'e lonely and pathetic
No drone rule are bullshit. "WE The People" own those parks and not a one of us had the chance to vote on the bill.
No running jumping swimming playing or drone flying, have fun, it's your park.
Hello from from Utah (13 National Park administrated areas)! Thanks for this informative video. I personally believe if a pilot is a FAA cert. Drone pilot, he or she should be able to obtain a permit for certain periods of time (and/or areas) that could be designated for such use of the park. The parks belong to us all and drone photographers should have access.
That is kinda my feelings. I think pilots that go to the trouble of becoming Part 107 licensed pilots, would respect the area. :)
Jay Malone Exactly! I am a firm believer in respecting other's privacy and safety when it comes to flying. If the National Park Service could adopt policies that are drone friendly, as to when and under what circumstances you can fly, I would be all for it.
John Poen Could you please post the areas in Utah or put up a link of them? I know the five NP's of course, but am curious what the other 8 are. Thank you from a fellow Utahn!
utah wanderlust700 I can't find the exact article that I read, but remembered that many were State Parks or Monuments. Check out stateparks.utah.gov/?s=Drones for some recent limited use regulations info. Good luck!
John Poen Thank you!
This freaking country is dead!
Those of us who are old enough walk around with our memories of America, the rest walk around with their illusions of it.
I hear you, felt the same way, and I wasn't even born here, sad.
Pretty much. It keeps getting worse every year.
Haha even truer today
I'm 72. The problem is simply too many people. Our fellow younger drone fliers have no idea how free the 50s & 60s were. Nobody had a cell phone camera. Imagine that. We were lucky to have lived in those years!
The “country is dead”??? Really? I will tell you what Conservatives/Republicans said to anybody that protested the Vietnam War (my era) - “If you don’t like things in the Country, then you are free to leave”. Bye, bye.
They try to own and put regulations on the most beautiful natural places.They can easily take our FAA registration # and charge us $5.00 or $10.00 for flying in the park.I would gladly pay it and so would a lot of other pilots.
Im a drone pilot, and i reluctantly agree with the no fly zones over national parks.i once had an esc burn up midflight with absolutely no warning, i maintain my drones to keep them near perfect condition(as close to perfect as possible) i always replace questionable motors, i use quality batteries, new props etc.. but sometimes they just blow up, and to have that happen 1 or several miles deep in a national forest would truely be a disaster. Its a shame that we have to sacrifice cool videos for safety, but i get it, i dont want a bunch of firefighters risking their lives cus my battery sparks out over jellystone park.
I am going to the grand canyon next month for the first time. I was excited to get a drone, for work and recreational use, to use there and found out it was illegal to use in a national park.. so sad. I think if you have the drone registered with the FAA and are a responsible user of the drone it should be fine to use a drone.
Yes, they should have a way to allow for a day permit or something. They could control the amount of drones that way.
I feel that drones should be allowed in national parks as long as the drone pilot can show he or she is registered with the FAA and flies with in the rules.
That's my feelings too! :)
why register....stupid
Hi. New flyer here. The NPS web site lists battlefields, trails and monuments by state which are NOT National Parks. Do you know if drone flights are banned in these areas as well?
Here is a video about a couple of documents that might help you!! czcams.com/video/4Ogeq0zRjR8/video.html
Yep. They pretty much ban anything - look at airmap.com, it will show you what locations are a no-no.
Of course without regulation, drone flying in state parks could get out of control. But I don't believe banning them all together is the answer. How about just make it necessary to apply for a permit. Then that way drone usage could be kept at a set limit and those granted permits would have to learn some basic rules that would make sure they would fly them responsibly and not be too careless. Perhaps they would be required to pass a test and obtain a license. Much the same as how we get a driver's license. Of course these rules would have to be specific and reasonable. I'd have to write a lot more to get into that. But this is just a general idea of the top of my head. It may or may not be the best. The downside I could see to this, would be the State or the Govt. abusing this for profit as they are often known to do. They could easily just jack the fee's up way too high, and that's not the purpose I had in mind. But realistically, I'd be surprised if they didn't do this. Just look how much we pay to the DMV for all of their fee's. Like 'non-op'! That fee is pointless and just abusive ( for lack of a better word ). Why should we pay a yearly fee for a car we own that just sits in our garage? Okay I'm getting off subject here so I'll end on that note.
Thanks for commenting! Yeah, I think since Part 107 pilots have already paid, and passed an extensive test already, that Part 107 pilots should be able to basically give the National Park Service your license number, your aircraft registration number, and date of flying there. With that information, they would be able to contact the correct person if they found something damaged or disturbed. That's my current idea of solving this! :)
Just the thought of what our quads are made of should clue everyone in on why you shouldn't fly in a national park, or reserve. I dont know of any animals that like to eat lipo batteries and carbon fiber lol. You are doing a movie then you should have a flight path and team to be able to track your quad for recovery just in case of a failure to return etc. Good topic thanks for the vid.
Prop Dusty that’s a good point that you make. It is on all of us as quad pilots to respect the rules and the wildlife that inhabit the areas we love to explore. Parks are parks for a reason ,and we have to respect that and hopefully,understand the governments reasons for making areas protected places. As a photographer I’m allowed to photograph wild protected areas, sometimes that just has to be enough. Sometimes it’d be nice to be a bird... but alas...I’m not ;)
I do think we should be responsible, even with a downed drone. One point that has been brought up in another comment thread on here....I can find an area less than 2 miles from my house that has more wildlife per sq ft than possibly any national park.....but that area is fair game for me to fly in/over. So, I should be just as concerned flying over all areas as I would be flying over a national park.
A license is when the government steals one of your rights & sells it back to you. I'm against the ban.
FIRST. My professional pilot side. I fly commercially and have for years. I am more than a little familiar with the FAA, their regulations, why they have them, and how to comply with them. Having said that, as a pilot of a jet we are cruising below 10,000 at 250 knots unless under a Class B. Then it is below 200. Either way having some unlicensed person who just unboxed their new drone ABOVE the 400 foot altitude rule really does put me and my passengers at risk. At speeds a slow as 130 knots on our final approach for landing, we are just NOT going to see a UAS like a DJI Phantom 4 Pro. However we would cage an engine if one happens to find its way into the air intake. SO there are reasons for all the rules that the FAA has put out. Consider these the good ol days. There will be more regulation coming I promise.
SECOND My professional UAS pilot side. Most of the UAS regulations that are there are because of stupidity. Just like they are for us in the Commercial Airline/Private Jet world. So if you are new to all of this, you must recognize EARLY ON that you now own a Federally Recognized Aircraft and you will be responsible for it. Whether you know the regulations, state, and local laws etc. So that is why there are the regulations for us all out there that fall under Department of Transportation Federal Aviation Administration.
THIRD here is my opinion. Just as I am afforded many privileges as an Airline Transport Pilot, or ATP, I really sincerely think very strongly, that the FAA needs to start affording those of us with the FAR part 107 certification, more privileges. It works in the big aircraft world it needs to work here too. The problem is that the FAA is short of manpower. I believe this will become the case in the future I really do.
On National Parks. YEP and yep. I totally think this is an area for improvement for both the Park Service and the FAA. There are plenty of FAR 107 pilots out there WHO OBTAINED the license so as to be able to fly their UAS for purposes stated here by all the comments. HOWEVER. Folks we are not going to go anywhere if we keep having people perform in a reckless and careless manner. So as people have posted here. Keep up the good work of being within compliance at all times as we fly our drones. As we get more pilots our voice will get larger too.
Some Advice. Recently I called a meeting with our local UAS Drone Inspector for our FSDO, or Flight Standards District Office. That meeting gave me a lot of insight into what the FAA is trying to do establish and what their motives are. They are believe it or not, a whole lot more on our side than they are on the grumpy public. He did let me know that for UAS pilots not respecting compliance that there would be big fines, FAA Action, etc. He stated also that if they look at an individual(s) her were complained about, as, performing proper research, preflight action, and operated safely (Observers, waivers, etc) that he would have a hard time hanging fault if due diligence had been performed.
I would do that. Get some fellow drone pilots in your area and head over to the local FSDO in your area.
So Jay there is my short and concise, answer and opinion to your question. :)
Such a great response! I love hearing the views of others, especially someone who flies commercial as well! Thank you!
I'm in the process of getting my part 107. I informed my uncle about this, a flight instructor. In my particular area the majority of the pilots who received their pilots license, aircraft, received it from him. When I informed him of the questions and areas that the FAA was seeking knowledge, testing and understanding on, the part 107, he was flabbergasted. To quote him, "misuse of an aircraft, is not tolerated, nor for any pilot he taught even thought of. The fact that the FAA is stating that a drone pilot would need to know some of these areas simply shows the total lack of any understanding of what type of aircraft they are dealing with." This comes from a flight instructor of over 40+ years.
Well said! Appreciate that thoughtful comments :-)
Greg Lupinski I’m here to tell you the FAA does know what they’re talking about. A drone can cause major damage, injury, or even death to other individuals. Not to mention the fact that you can go out and buy this drone requires regulation.
Just like anything else I could be proven harmful to individuals. There are regulations that govern that. The reason there are regulations to govern such is to provide the best possible outcome for all people involved.
I happen to not only fly under an FAA Air Transport Pilot cert., I too am a FAA CFI, CFII, CFMEI. As well as an FAA 107 pilot. I commanded a Remote Pilot UAS Detatchment in the United States Army backing up air Defense artillery.
I have a BS degree in Aerospace.
I happen to disagree with your uncle’s assessment. The FAA controls the air space over the United States of America. And even though things are disorganized at the moment as time goes forward they will become streamlined.
The folks in the FAA or most of them anyway that are heading up the UAS areas, our 107 pilots themselves and have been Remote Pilots for years.
To simply state that they don’t understand meaning the FAA what a UAS/drone aircraft is is telling that your uncle may not quite understand the FAA. At least as far UAS and the FAA are concerned.
There are changes coming almost on a monthly basis some of them for the better and some that still need final edits, two weeks, and input from the UAS community.
So stay well-informed and compliant and I think all of this will work out for the better just give it some time and have some patience..
If drone flying over 400 ft were a problem, then how many more thousands of birds the size of a drone would be problems? If birds aren't a problem, no way drones could be a problem. If drones were the problem the FAA wanted us to think, airliners would be in danger everyday due to some birds that are even bigger and fly thousands of feet in the air.
Great story Jay. Thank you for sharing. I am going to share your video with the Part 107 prep class I teach. We have been discussing waivers and areas where we are allowed to fly. So glad that you were able to stop the upload before it finished. Thanks again.
BTW, I respect the Park System ban on drone flights. I wish they would make it easier to find information concerning how to obtain special permission for the areas where drone flights are allowed.
That's great! I'm happy to help others avoid a mistake! :)
And I agree with you. They should make it easier! I plan to share a new video really soon with a "hidden" NPS document that was shared with me the other day when I talked to the NPS. :)
Thanks for the vid Jay. Best to share experiences like that, thanks. 5:25 "never trust wikipedia"....I totally agree....My suggestion for anyone researching before flying is use government and local authority sources, as the info they publish has to go through a checking procedure beforehand.
You are right! So glad to have you watching and commenting!
Should be left up to each park. Maybe parks could have “drone zones”
I agree. I also think that permits could be issued. Only so many per park, per day.
Godd idea I was thinking this and was going to talk to the state parks to to see where drones could be flown despite they highly discourage
the moral of the story is don’t upload your drone footage of national parks to youtube. or just don’t mention anything about the location of the shoot.
or throw out our government and follow the constitution.
...or use FB / Instagram stories that are gone in 24 hours! LOL
Jay, great videos! I am thinking of purchasing a Phantom 4 PRO or an INSPIRE 2 for real estate work in the next few months. I was wondering what you thought about the two products? Thanks for all your videos, I have learned a lot!
I’ve never personally flown either one of those. But I think either one would be a great tool for real estate. I have heard some people say that the inspire was a little more difficult to fly....but still not too bad. I’m anxious to see what DJI has coming out next. Thank you so much for watching and commenting!
Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. I am in the decision process right now, I've got plenty of time to research more and see what else they come out with. DJI has some impressive drones!
Just want to say its interesting what you can see and capture when you are way up high and not making any sound.
I remember seeing this video previously, I subbed your site sir and truly love you work, keep it up.......outside of state parks obviously.
Awesome! Thanks! I appreciate the kind words! And thanks for subscribing....happy to have you! It was nice to be on Ken's show tonight!
Too much government regulation.
Pretty much truth!
Ron Morris Amen brother!
Agreed !!!
It's all about money
I think as much as I would love to fly in these places it is for the best. Height limits are for the safety of manned aircrafts and the restriction in parks is for preserving the nature. Still so many other places to fly if we view it positivity
So sad that you couldn't upload the video :-(
Oh man thats really a helpful thing to tell us about. Thank you God you disnt get a fine. I just got my drone and still wondering what are the rules and should I register it somewhere. Eventhough the amazon seller said you dont need to do so but still nit sure.
Thanks man for raising awareness of such case.
Thanks for commenting! If you haven't already, check out my latest video about registration! czcams.com/video/CZ3XaMLgCOY/video.html
I just bought a Phantom 4 Advanced and I am getting ready to register with the faa. I own my own business as an electrical contractor and want to take pics of my own projects for advertising my company. (Not photo for hire) Should I register as recreational or commercial in your opinion? Thank you
(Disclaimer: I will answer to the best of my ability, but I am not affiliated with the FAA or any educational organization. I encourage you to call your local FAA office or other organization that regulates airspace for civil aviation in your country.)
I would think that you would need to obtain your Part 107 Remote Pilot Certificate, then register as commercial. The work you are planning to do is definitely considered commercial by the FAA. But registering isn't enough. You do need to get your Remote Pilot Certificate.
Here is a video that I have giving a little more information about how I went about it. czcams.com/video/u4bUkwsXaNg/video.html
You need to register as commercial.
As a licensed UAV operator I have to say I see both sides of this. If anyone can fly a drone in a federal park then there will be people getting annoyed and perhaps animals being harassed. Not all users are in it for the artistic values. The current rules are OK in my view but I would hope they would allow licensed pilots with honest intent a permit to fly and capture video much as they would a still frame photographer.
Yeah, I think licensed pilots should be able to easily obtain a permit to fly there. Give them your license number and drone registration number. Then if they find something damaged or disturbed later, they would know who to contact! Thanks for commenting!
I known in Illinois and Iowa the 2 states I have spent my life in, you can not be in the park and fly a drone. The main reason is Eagle protection and I respect that because I genuinely love and care about the birds. Especially in the Spring when the new births take place and the birds become highly protective. I do not wish to lose one of my 1400.00 plus investments. However that being said there is a work around for state parks and I have used this. If you are not “in” the park and send your drone in they really can’t touch you. Especially if you are private land and have permission from the owner to be there. I have wanted certain scenes and sites and had rangers follow my drones out of the park to me. They have no authority to legally ticket or arrest you if you meet those criteria. I’ve had so interesting discussions with them but they leave pissed because I’m right. So if your state prohibits you from flying PHYSICALLY in the park go outside get proper permission and and fly. Not saying it will work in your state but it has in IL and IA. Just my 2 cents.
Thanks for your comment! Actually, as far as I know, those are the rules for National Parks. You can't take off or land in a National park. So as you were saying, if you take off and land on another property you can work around the National Park rule. As far as most state parks go, you can fly in them. At least in Arkansas and Missouri. But I know what you are saying about respecting the wildlife, especially those eagles! I am very fond of the eagles! I personally think you should be a licensed pilot and agree to stay clear of any wildlife and fly a minimum of 75ft high. There could be some other requirements, but there should be a way that we could film the beauty of a national park! :)
Right, Period. I do tend to scout out my locations before I fly. I take my good binoclars so I am able to see the life in the trees.
You are right. I'm a certified pilot and have done a lot of research. A lot of jurisdictions across the country have tried to pass anti-drone legislation. The federal courts came out less than a year ago and ruled that only the FAA can control airspace. So as long as you fly within FAA regs they cannot touch you. What they can control is where you take off and land. Most state and federal parks had rules prohibiting you from taking off or landing within there boundaries. They can't do anything if you take off and land outside the park and fly in as long as the airspace is legal.
I’m in Ontario, the rules and regs are so many you almost might as well give up and bury your drone. It’s just so annoying, if I stay at the regulated maximum altitude of 400’ it should not matter. What privacy are you breaking at that altitude? So much beautiful things to see and not allowed to fly, if you’re licensed their should be exceptions and as a hobbyist I shouldn’t need a commercial license or have to fill out a 15 page document just to receive permission just to fly.
I really appreciate your coverage about flying in parks. Thanks for covering that.
Thanks!! I have a new video coming out tomorrow that covers some new information!
No flying in National Parks is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. Probably the one place it is safest to fly and avoid people/property. Darwin Award to the law makers on this one.
I appreciate your input!
I don't think congress is to blame for this one. I believe it just a "rule" that the NPS has come up with. Would like to see someone challenge them in court. These government "Agencies" are getting out of control. Congress and the Senate are the lawmakers, they need to get off their lazy ass's and sort this crap out.
The problem is with the FFA. If you allowed every Joe shmoe to fly in parks you could possibly affect wild life. Imagine every day dozens of drones in the sky might frightened birds off that might be food for another spices and so forth. The FFA is under staffed and now has to deal with uas that's hard.
No flying IN the parks, but if you are positioned OUTSIDE the park, you can fly over without being arrested. There is a video of Devils Tower.
I couldn't disagree with you more. Keep the drones out of our National Parks! I am in Yellowstone every year, and there have been several incidents with illegal drone flying, with one even damaging Grand Prismatic Spring. Keep our parks natural, not with some buzzing over my head and disturbing the wildlife. And yes, I am an amateur photographer - drones have no place in National Parks.
Who owns the national parks? Huh, makes you wonder.
Trump
Papa Trump
On holiday in May Yellowstone and would really love to to take some footage. Any places you recommend that I would be ok?
After a 40 year career with the National Park Service, my father-in-law said he was glad to have gotten out before it became what it is today. Now, let's talk about that career. From clerk to wildlife, from cannonball circuit and Rocky Mountain, Glacier and McKinley/Denali to Developer and Supervisor, Charles Peterson served them well. We asked him "What has the NPS become that you find so bad?" The old gentleman paused a second and said "It has become a Police State."
From my own experience, i can tell you an education in "law enforcement" is one of the faster routes to a career in any of the Federal Outdoor Recreation and Natural Resource agencies. Charles Peterson has been gone these last 20 years, but I can still recall the sadness in his voice. It hasn't gotten any better. The National Park Service remains a Police State.
I know, everybody is "just doing their jobs." And there are a lot of good people out there ... I've worked with many of them. But there is something deeply, systemically wrong that has metastasized in our Government, our Culture, our Society, our national (lack of) conscience. John Muir, Gifford Pinchot, Lewis & Clark, and the Hanging Judge Isaac Parker would be revolted. Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Lincoln and Davis, Grant and Lee, would cry at what we've done with their sacrifice. I have no words.
Thanks for sharing!
I feel it's an over reach of the government, also a mistake on the national parks. Drones take beautiful footage, and this would be a great way for national parks to get some free advertisement. They can easily look back at last year's slow months and open those days to drone flights.
Excuse me, but you didn't mention consulting B4UFly or AirMap or even an aeronautical chart, as part of your pre-flight homework. Why?
Em&Syl 266 -- Let me ask you, would you like to be one of the 500 people waiting around Old Faithful for it to erupt, while 5 drones fly over your head? OK, what about 20 drones? The NPS has a legitimate need to prevent drone use in crowded places for safety and in other places to prevent disturbance of wildlife and without prohibitions and the fines that go with it you and I know that way too many yahoos would fly over your head and chase wildlife. It is unfortunate, however, that every square inch of every National Park is off limits as there are many places that are not frequented by many visitors and have no unusual wildlife factors that would otherwise justify prohibitions and in those places it should be permissible to fly a drone. But, sitting around Old Faithful or hiking a trail in Yosemite is not one of the places the NPS should permit drone flights.
Raptorman0909 actually, a trail in Yosemite would be perfect-for a short ranged selfie drone to get a couple of shots of the hiker and a burst of photos in a 360 before landing. Short up, shoot, and down.
Even the < 0.55 kg selfie drones are forbidden in these areas.
Oh yeah, drones would be perfect to catch great shots in a lot of places EXCEPT that there are risks when around people and the FAA and other agencies in other parts of the world expressly forbid flying over people. In addition, the joy in places like Yosemite are built on being in NATURE and the buzzing of drones kind of impedes that. Notice I said drones, plural, because that's what you would have -- if one is allowed then hundreds will be there. Sorry, but in the built up areas where larger numbers of people go there MUST be NO drones PERIOD! I should add that I own 2 drones and as I've already said I think there should be areas within most/many National Parks that are open to drones but in the areas where people or wildlife are common NO DRONES!
Raptorman0909 the biggest problem with that argument is that wildlife is everywhere, even urban areas. Don't believe me? Check out NYC's coyotes. Note that I said ON A TRAIL-away from others.
Read the whole entry.
Drones over people is a privacy issue, if you're in public you're fair game.
Parks belong to mankind in general. Not to some government that takes away your rights to live freely in this world. But there are idiots, the bad guys if you will that ruin things for the masses. So in order to “Serve The Masses” legislation was born. So “National” Parks should belong to.....duh... the nation. To the people, for the people.
And thanks to "some government" we have all the great National Parks to enjoy. Remember, these public lands would not exist without government setting them aside for everyone to enjoy.
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Can you use a Mavic 2 Pro simply as a 4K video recorder without flying the Drone? And if so, how long would the battery last using it as a standalone camera/video recorder?
You can totally use it standalone. In fact, this thing makes it awesome! amzn.to/2Uz99Up As far as the battery goes. It would last a LOT longer...but I couldn't tell you how long.
Felt compelled to go on the NPS website and look up Florida. To my delight, my local parks are not National Parks.
Also, what caught my curiosity is that Fort DeSoto, while listed on the NPS website, is not listed as a national park. It is a National Memorial, could this be a loophole of sorts? There are other subcategories such as National Seashore, National Monument and national Preserve, aside from those listed as national parks.
I think they should give scheduled approval flight plans.
Agreed!
I think that is a silly law. I personally feel the parks are or should be public. Don't make sense to me.
Mary B agreed
I agree, I know they don't want drones disturbing other people and the wildlife, but me flying 100 ft plus above the ground, shouldn't be disturbing either!
Jay Malone and if your drone should fail and hit me on the head I suppose that's not a concern for you. Public place... rules to protect everyone who wants to be there. Drones as yet do not have certified safety standards and literally anyone can fly one... with no concern for the devices reliability or safety.
Please wear a helmet at the park if you are concerned about the drones. Problem solved. BTW, 20k-80k meteors (>10g) fall to earth each year as a reminder to keep that helmet on everywhere you go.
See, I care about your safety. So now you don't have to slander all drone operators that they don't have a concern for YOU and they have no concern about the device's reliability or safety. I believe they all care very much about not hurting people. And enjoy an expensive photography hobby and want the utmost in reliability and safety.
Sorry I wasn't clear. You only have to wear a helmet when you hear a drone flying overhead and you think it is coming for your head then simply grab the helmet out of your backpack and put it on.
Exactly! That has always been my example of inadequate, ill-thought-out restrictions. How long has it been that anyone can attach a microcam on a kite and fly it at a good altitude, without there being outcries about spying and how dangerous they are? A long time, same with a ballon on a string, is that “remote control”?
Some analogies need to be made with technology that has existed for a long time, and has not caused continuous plane crashes...for a start! Happy flying!
BTW line of sight is different than out of sight..... It can be out of sight yet still in your line of site. As long as there is nothing blocking your eyes in a straight line to the drone, then it's in your line of sight, whether or not it's out of view.
i think it is dumb, would love to see some footage of the buffalo river !
That would be nice!
You confused. The NPS website list Parks, forests, monuments, trails etc. National parks have flight restrictions, the other do not.
SirPasta117 sorry to disagree but all federal natural areas have restrictions on taking off and landing in these areas.
wow you have rocketed in less than a year, gained 11000 subscribers, thats awesome man, only just hit 1000 and no change yet in growing since hitting in the other week
Thanks man! Yeah, this past year has been good for subscriber growth.....just not all of them are active viewers! I could use more of those! lol :)
Jay Malone ha same, I feel only 50-100 of my 1000 are active for me, I wish I got more comments and interaction
Yes, I found it hard to accept that people don't watch all of my videos. But I understand that we always don't have time, or just not always interested in that particular video. I have a handful of channels that I watch all of their videos. For instance, I don't miss a Casey Neistat or Peter McKinnon video! lol But we just have to accept that we will NEVER get everyone watching!
Bro thanks for all the information you give, you saved me from possibly making a similar mistake in my upcoming trip to Boston, MA.
AWESOME! Happy to hear that I helped!
I think a few common sense restrictions are OK. Places like campgrounds or very crowded areas, Old Faithful in Yellowstone for example. But a out and out band is nonsense. Out here in the west the Federal Government is seizing and controlling more and more land, with more and more restrictions on usage.
Agreed! Thanks for commenting!
I think with the proper rules of not harassing wildlife and keeping a set distance from people, they should be allowed at least on a permit bases (additional revenue) to part 107 holders. If you have gone through the license procedure you have demonstrated that you can and will (at the risk of loosing that license) fly safely and with common sense. As far a noise goes. If you are more than 200 feet from a person either horizontal or vertically, they are not going to hear the drone in the wide opes spaces. Compare that to the noise put out by helicopter tours over some National Parks.
Question.. What has been your experience in AR and MO as far as flying in State parks and Conservation areas? I have not seen signage either at the parks or online. Is it a ask permission or beg forgiveness thing with the parks?
As far as flying in a State Park or conservation area, I haven't actually done so that I am aware of, so I can't really say. If I ended up there on a whim, I would look for any signage stating the rules. If I didn't see anything I would probably fly, if I was in class G airspace. If I knew ahead of time, I would probably call the Park office and try to find out if they have any rules or guidelines concerning drone use.
i wonder if hunting and fishing are considered harassing wildlife?? If you can hunt or fish in any park, you should be able to fly your drone. Actually how about you should be able to fly a drone anywhere you are allowed to carry a gun!
Another idiot who thinks enthusiasts who spend thousands of dollars
On a Multi-rotor of any model... are interested in buzzing deer or wildlife
We spend money on or build our own MULTI-ROTORS...
To develop skills and engineer technology... not chase wildlife
Thanks for the information. We will be reviewing your other videos to prepare for video production with our new drone-our first drone!
Awesome! Thanks!
This definitely was very helpful, I want to be cautious and knowledgeable of when can I fly my drone or not. Thanks a bunch!!!
You're very welcome! That is the way that it should be! If everyone would try to do that...we would be better off!
So civilians cannot fly a drone over the national parks highlighting the majestic beauty and scenery but the current Administration can open these lands up to OIL drilling ( for free, of course). Sorry to bring politics into this. But it needs to be said.
One of them makes them money ...... :(
You’re an idiot. Drilling is not allowed in any National Park.
Certainly fringes on our ability to have free speech. I can go in and with megaphones blaring to all the campers about our political views, but try to preserve images of beauty and serenity gets you shut down and a fine. I do understand that there are some conservation areas, but to close down the entire park, even the public laden areas.... too much governmental interference.
Just a couple of pennies of thought.....
Bart Craytor great input! Thanks so much for chiming in!
Bart Craytor it's easier in the US to purchase a gun at a pawn shop and then wreak havoc on the public than it is to find a place to fly your drone without hassle
nospam1950 truth hurts. If it's false information then explain why it keeps happening? Yet drones terrifying communities aren't making headlines. I'm making the statement that it's ridiculous the amount of strict regulations there are for flying a drone, in contrast with the unbelievably lax rules for firearms. You're living proof that logic is not a characteristic possessed by all people.
Pay attention to my argument. I said it's easier to buy a gun at a pawn shop than to find a place to fly your drone without hassle. In my state of Texas, which has very lenient gun laws, I can be in and out of a store with a handgun. I, being a person with no prior felonies, and more than 18 years of age, can purchase a gun with no waiting period. It's that easy. I, also living in Texas, reside close to parks which do not allow drones, airport airspaces which also do not allow drones, and a neighborhood with an HOA that does not allow drones. So pay attention to what I said, it's easier to buy a gun at a pawn shop, which I can do with no hassle, than to find a place to fly my drone, which is more difficult. You have misunderstood what I've said by thinking that I said it's easier to carry around a gun, which it is not easy to do legally as you still need classes, the qualifications, and a CHL in the state of Texas. Don't worry, no one is here to take your guns, you don't have to freak out Cletus.
nospam1950 I'm sure you've seen the news...tragic. Still waiting on that deadly drone footage from the national park though.
national parks are some of the best places to fly and flying drones is one of the lowest impact activities ranked just before reading a book under a tree that one can do.
Hi Jay - You sure blew through the 1,000 subscription mark! Congrats on that! As for drones in states parks, I am of mixed opinion. I am happy to keep that huge rabble of hobby fliers out of the park with their $50 quadcopters getting lost and crashing. They would be a general nuisance and a litter problem. I would, however, very much like the NPS to make park flights available to professional licensed drone pilots. Just out of curiosity, were you flying a DJI? I thought those had software that restricted flying in any unapproved airspace.
Hey, thanks for commenting! And yes, I have had a good amount of growth since I published this! In fact, right now, this video is driving a good boost of views and subscribers to me :) I was flying a DJI Mavic Pro. It did not alert me, but I also tried using the AirMap App, while I was there...and not enough service to show me I was in a restricted area! So, not sure if that was why the DJI app never said anything either! Thanks for commenting!!!
Pics or it didn't happen
Exactly :)
I think it makes total sense banning drones from flying over parks--state, provincial and national.
This was absolutely helpful, thanks for the video and sharing your story! I live in Washington state, where there are many areas that are national parks. I will make sure to not do that this Memorial day weekend!
So glad to be of a help!!! I have a newer video that you might find to give a little more concise information. czcams.com/video/4Ogeq0zRjR8/video.html
I agree with the parks on this one. Some of the more crowded spaces you'd have everyone with their drones in the air at one time. That would ruin the views and the sounds of nature. Just go and enjoy the views with your eyes and not through the camera on your drone. Even as a drone owner I would hate standing there looking at a view and hear a drone go flying by.
Thanks for commenting!!
I fly quads to an I totally agree
I feel the same way about radios, motorhomes and motorcycles. Outlaw 'em I say because my feelings trump all others rights.
Agreed.
I've been flying for almost a year and have NEVER seen another drone while I was flying. It is a massively overstated potential "problem".
Correct me if I am wrong....but you seem to be under the misapprehension that you will only be prosecuted if you show the video on CZcams, the law is "not fly a drone in a National Park", the video evidence is handy, but so is a video of you admitting that you flew your drone in a National Park. In this video you have admitted to breaking the law, why would you do that?????
You know how CZcamsrs are....always making up stuff for the views! lol
Well they can't effectively prosecute him if they don't know which park it was, and he went out of his way to not say that. There's also not a time or date. That would be very difficult indeed to prosecute.
Really? What national park did he admit to flying in? Nothing he said could be used as evidence.
The NPS oversees several areas that are not listed as "National Parks:" National Monuments, National Memorials, National Historic Sites, National Historic Trails, , National Recreation Areas, National Historic Parks, etc. For example, the NPS website lists 24 areas ran by NPS in AZ but only 3 are technically "National Parks." Could the "park" you flew over be one of these? Does the rule include these other areas?
You have a great comment and I have created a video about that! czcams.com/video/4Ogeq0zRjR8/video.html
Thanks! I'm thinking about taking the Part 107 test soon.
You're welcome. I passed my test on the first try, but I did go through some online training first....I'm very glad that I did!
This guy didn't do ENOUGH research. Most State Parks don't allow drone flights either, except if they have a RC field for flying planes, heli's and what not.
If you can take your camera being it camera phone or SLR camera you should let people fly their droves there.
We have too much busy-body government in this country. I'm all for legislation to correct this.
Your iphone or camera can't fly to disturb people and wildlife. Parks are for people to enjoy and relax. They also can't fall out of the sky from pilot error/mechanical malfunction - land on a human or animal and injure or kill. Also, a crashed drone can potentially cause a forest fire....do I need to go on? Jeez. These things I mentioned are a few of the reasons parks are NFZ.
It is illegal to fly a drone in a National Park because the government doesn't want to be video recorded while they abduct innocent hikers and vacationers in the parks, which they've been doing for about 100 years now. National Parks are extremely dangerous places and should probably be avoided anyway. Check out David Paulides videos and, or Rusty West's YT channel for more info.
LOL.
Great Video! Thanks for sharing your story and promoting responsible ops. I have had similar experiences trying to figure out where to legally fly. In addition to the National Parks, out here in California, they have these rules in place for some State parks, County/Regional parks, city parks, coastal areas, wildlife areas, recreational areas, schools.....it is a mess. Plus, there is so much mis-information or conflicting information on the internet, including the actual agency websites and various non-profit groups aligned with park systems. I spend A LOT of time prior to putting my Mavic up in the air planning the mission, and there is always that nag of doubt that I missed something. I rely a lot on the DJI app's information about flight restrictions, and I always check my flight plan on Airmaps.com. That keeps me out of trouble, I think.
Anyway, I just came across you channel for the first time. Count me as a new subscriber! Happy flying.
Thank you so much for commenting! Yes, I use Airmap as well! That's my favorite app to use for airspace and place you can and can't fly. When I was on location at this place, I had no phone service, so Airmap didn't work....and at that point, I did not know you could plan ahead and check a location beforehand! Now I check if beforehand for sure! lol . Glad you have you as a subscriber!
Thank you very much for this info!! I had no idea about that rule I need to check out all the rules I just bought my first quadcopter and looking forward to not getting in trouble for having some fun with it!
lol, I like that! looking forward to not getting in trouble should be the goal of all new quadcopter owners! lol I think some just go looking for trouble! Thanks for watching and commenting! If you haven't registered your drone yet, check out my latest video! czcams.com/video/CZ3XaMLgCOY/video.html
more governmet control is all it is
Might wanna oughta explain to folks about the difference between a "National Park" and a "National Forest". Just fyi
Anything you want to do - it’s probably illegal.
martin savage apart from owning a gun
Remember if you're going to fly don't register your drone in case you lose it.
Jay, I'm puzzled. In one of your responses you mentioned that you liked the AirMap app but that you waited till you reached the park to try using it and found that you didn't have reception.
So, why would you begin your at-home planning on Wiki when AirMap (an app designed specifically for flight planning by sUAS pilots) provides current info on "No-Fly Zones" - including national parks, monuments, stadiums, wildfires, notams, TFRs, et al.?
Of course, not all parks are national. And there may be state or municipal restrictions on drone flights. But any questions regarding the legality of a specific flight at the state or local level should be answerable with a simple phone call to park HQ or the municipal parks & recreation department. Yes?
Back when this happened, I didn’t realize that you could pre plan a flight on Air Map. And when I was thinking about flying there, was after park hours the night before :)
A lot of state parks are also drone unfriendly. In Arkansas, you have to file for a permit before you fly, with proof on insurance. Personally, unless someone is strafing visitors and animals with their drone, they need to be less restrictive when flying in a park. If you aren't over people and cars, and follow the FAA's rules (the actual government agency that CAN say if you can fly or not), they should allow flights.
Just looked up Minnesota. Mississippi is designated National Park from Elk River all the way to Twin Falls. 72 Miles! That's a little over kill. Do you know, if you launch and land from outside the park does it still get you in trouble?
So great for you to ask! Go to my channel and click on videos. See my video that I just uploaded. Or click here :) czcams.com/video/4Ogeq0zRjR8/video.html
Generally, when you're using the internet to find information about a specific thing, it helps to actually google the thing.
Did you watch my video?
Many National and State parks through out the U.S. has poaching issue. Drones can easily be used by poachers to located any animal or plant they seek to unlawfully harvest for profit much faster then usual. The only way to possibly deter some poachers form this method is to just ban drones from the area altogether. Also some parks issue permits mainly to third parties that fly for research studies, inspections of it wild inhabitants, along with assisting in search and rescue operations.
AWSOME video... I thought you were just arrested
Nikul Ram nope, not arrested:) thankfully!
I play Helicopter for while and starting with drone 3 years ago. Drone is more fun but it getting little bit out of control. Too many rule and the Drone I own is DJI and they build in too many NFZ (No Fly Zone) now my 2 drone sitting on the shelve because I live near by the airport. huhuhuhuh
Good video man.
So if you fly drone over the National Park you get fine what about me running around the National Park with video camera and upload on CZcams ? Do I get in trouble?
Perfectly legal as long as your not a flying camera :)
funny thing though, in my area nps.gov does not list one of the parks around me which is a national wildlife refuge? Is that same thing? not that I would fly there anyway however just wanted to confirm on their website what was near me...
Launching, landing, or operating an aircraft to include unmanned aircraft (drone)from or on lands and waters administered by the US Fish and Wildlife Service is prohibited. 50 CFR 27.34.
The National Wildlife Refuge might be governed by the US Fish and Wildlife service, if so, the above rule applies. Try looking on the AirMap App and see what it shows.
thank you. I was just curious as to why it did not show up. I do not intend to push the envelope and fly any where near it. TRUST ME!!!
@@edwinnegron7761 Yeah, the NPS and the US Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) are 2 different organizations.
this was a great video and you apologizing like that made it a whole lot better , and when you come to the nps saying what you did the consequence is a whole lot better than 1000$
Great info man! So the it should be allowed to fly over/next to national historic sites(not parks) and national recreation areas(such as golden gate bridge) i guess
Thanks! You might find this newer video interesting.
This has really gotten out of hand. No victim = no crime. Everything else is simply a revenue generator for the state.
Just subscribed. I've only watched 2 videos but I am interested to see your others now.
Awesome! Thank you!!!
There are 58 National Parks and 417 National Park UNITS, all under the broad list. I own a drone and I support the National Park Service. I am glad that my enlightening hikes in our National Parks are not ruined by the drone of drones, pun intended. When I am in a designated quiet place, that's precisely what I want to hear: NOTHING but nature at its finest. Kinda like Harley's creating nothing but noise pollution, but that's another sore topic. THANK YOU for doing the right thing!
You're right! Here is an updated video that you might enjoy! czcams.com/video/4Ogeq0zRjR8/video.html
Dude, they have these things called search warrants whereby the govt may be able to gain access to your computer and/or other media devices if they have probable cause to believe evidence of a crime may be found... maybe you should reconsider this video. Defense attorney here.
Great video and info I am new to the drone world infact I dont have one yet. I am trying to learn about them and the laws before I invest in one. Thank you for this information. I see I have a long way to go before I fly.
You are doing the right thing by researching and understanding before you get one! That's a step a lot of people miss.
Another Awesome video..best I seen so far on drones... its all about common sense at the end of day.
Thanks so much! Thanks for watching and commenting!
It is interesting, but I think this is something both the drone operators and areas that are not interested in drones to be flown there to have signs or something.
Andrew Kan yes, it does need to be quite evident that drones are not allowed in a park. This particular park I was in, was so hard to find even on the NPS list. Because it was combined with other parks and given a different name. Drone operators should not be fined for stuff that is so hard to find listed!
JAY...THE EVIDENCE IS IF THERE IS ANY DANGER TO PEOPLE OR THEIR PROPERTY, YOU SHOULD NOT BE FLYING THERE...!!!
Many country parks also ban drone use, city parks seem to be cracking down on it as well.
Nice video. But, I really have an interesting question for you Jay Malone. Is it illegal to fly the drone above National Park? Or it is illegal to share the footage on CZcams that taken on National Park? In another work, on this video, you admit that you went to a national park on your city and flight your drone there and shoot video! Till here, is it legal or illegal? Why NPS.gov did not charge you a fine after watching this video that you admit you were there using your drone? They charged the other guy because he uploaded to CZcams, not because he was using his drone there! So, I can go to any national park and enjoy my drone and taking footage and I will be fine as long as I am not going to upload it to CZcams or anywhere else! Is that correct?
No, the actual illegal part is flying in the national park. Could the NPS take me to court over it? sure....can they prove it?....eh not so much. :) The good thing is that I was not caught or even spotted flying in the park. I take the risk of being taken to court....to help people not make the same mistake.
I didn’t even know it’s against the law to fly a drone at national parks! I was planning on getting my son a drone for his birthday. I figured flying over any government building is a no-no, but a park? I guess I’ll have to hit the “like button” on this channel because he just saved me and my son from a 1000.00 dollar ticket. Good grief!
Thank you! I do my best to help! Here is a newer video I posted about the subject. You might find it interesting....and it's shorter :) czcams.com/video/4Ogeq0zRjR8/video.html
This is why I launch from my boat. Additionally I'll record the landing or catch back at the boat in case my flight is questioned later. It's pretty frustrating though that the muggles on social media don't respect that we drone owners have rights when flying within the law. I've some impressive footage legally obtained from "trip advisors number 1 summer destination for 2018" that I won't show for concern of being roasted. Most folks on social media just don't get it.
"We will be visiting with you real soon, Mr Jay".
Awesome! When? Where? Need me to cook supper? :)
I think the laws in place for national parks are mainly for rescue/fire operations, they need to be able to get choppers up and going asap and if there are drones in the area they have to remain grounded until the drones land. Here in northern California we have a lot of fire related issues during the summer, everything gets really dry and winds can pick up real quickly on our mountain ranges. I will say however flying a hobby drone that weighs less than a pound (like a 3 inch or smaller) remaining in the legal hobby drone limits of staying under 400 feet should be acceptable. Considering I barely fly over the tree tops in my smaller rigs I don't see it being much of a problem, but it only tales one person to screw it up for everyone else. I dunno what do you think?
Yeah, I think that flying at a fixed altitude of say 200-399 feet should be acceptable. High enough that noise isn't an issue. But yet below the 400ft. I do see your point, but it doesn't matter if you are flying as a hobbyist or commercial, all manned aircraft should have the right away. So if you hear a heli or plane.....land your drone!
Jay Malone Agreed! Sobfar the north California communities are pretty good about staying legal when flying, it great seeing so many active drone enthusiasts want to promote safe flying. Glad your on board too!
We might be a minority! :) So many people saying....it's my drone, we own the parks, no one owns the sky, the government isn't going to tell me what to do, I'll fly wherever I want to, etc....it just makes it tougher.
this info will help me a lot , because im just getting into flying drones , and getting better every time i fly mine. my next thing is going to be getting a drone with a camera , and get some areo shots of the lakes and other places in the parks.
Great! Hopefully you will check out my video from last week. It has some more info about parks!
Good information here. Always check the Airmap.
Is there a difference between state parks and national? Can I fly on a state park
Yes, some state parks allow it....some do not. You should check with the state park.
It really is a crying shame that UAVs are not allowed in US National Parks, even though I understand some of the reasoning behind the decision. It just seems ludicrous that some of the best scenery in your country is nationally available to everyone except the people who are best equipped to film and promote it. It's the same in the UK: our 2 main preservers of historic sites and areas of outstanding natural beauty are National Trust and English Heritage, and both are furiously anti-drone, and that locks down most of the good stuff here as well. The places where we can fly are getting more and more restricted sadly, due to a few idiots and the relentless barrage of sensationalist and often factless media bullshit.
I agree....I really think permits should be available. That would allow the serious people to fly and the NPS would know who and what aircraft would be flying at a particular time!
Great Video Jay thanks for sharing my friend! Would have loved to see the footage! 😢😢
Thanks! What footage? 😉
What is nps reason for no drone use? Just curious.
Great question. They really don't lay out specific reasons. People only speculate reasons such as: Lipo battery fire hazard, noise, disturbing wildlife, etc. But as far as I know, those reasons are just speculation!
National Park airspace is prohibited. You need a waiver from the FAA which you will not get for National Parks.
The NPS does not control airspace. Only the FAA does. Just as only the FCC controls communications.
I hope that you have some of your help
Great info! Thanks for your candor! Just joined your station!
Awesome! Glad you enjoyed it!
I look at the rule against drones like I would look at a rule against dogs. Would we stand for a rule against dogs in our national parks? They're OUR national parks.
Thanks for commenting! Happy to hear your input!
I don’t have any problem with NO FLYING of drones, etc IN National Parks. It’s nice to know SOME places are still left undisturbed and left alone AS A CONSTANT practice.
I think a 9 minute flight time selfie drone shouldn't be regulated like a 27 minute 10+ mile range drone capable of carrying professional grade film equipment.
What makes the difference? Some of the smaller selfie drones are very loud and the safety isn't as reliable on them. I have heard of a lot more battery failures and crashes with the smaller drones. The Mavic Pro, Phantom, and the likes are much more reliable and safe.
Jay Malone the difference is range and flight time. A crash at your feet getting a selfie or a burst of shots in a 360 while in a 10 meter radius of the user does not have the same potential to disturb wildlife or cause property damage, especially from a sub-250 gram unit.
I was recently in the process of getting into drone photography. But instead, the drone that just came in today is going to be sent back. The reason is because the limitations on flying drones are so overwhelming that its not worth my time and stress. When I ordered my drone about a week or so ago, I new there were restrictions, and I knew that I need to observed FAA regulations and such. However, after much more research while waiting for my drone, I find that the layer, after layer of state laws, city laws and local ordinances and so on, are just too much to sort through. Here in Virginia you can't even fly in the state parks, which I just found out yesterday. Anyway, the only loss for me is the shipping costs to send the drone back. Thanks for your video, it has added to my collection of information on this subject.
For these reasons, I sold my drone a year or so ago! Just isn’t worth it for me.