The Very Weird Rules of Golden Age Hollywood: The Hays Code and the effect it still has today!
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hitchcock's "train going into the tunnel" is still the funniest, most obvious metaphor that got past the censors. absolutely brilliant.
O.M.G. I adore your hair!! You look beautiful! I'm not personally in the queer community but I think we all should be aware of injustices towards ANY group or individual.
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Very bizarre to me that people of that generation were okay with slavery, racism, husbands beating their wives, marital rape, the list goes on and on, but not okay with films depicting alcohol/drugs, women in positions of power or *gasp* homosexuals😱 the morals of some are extremely skewed
Nowadays it's almost the opposite in that society is largely shunning slavery, racism, DV, marital rape etc. yet sexism (objectifying females) in movies/media is now at an all time high.
Great upload! Really well presented and informative.
Love the new look too, really suits you Georgia🤩!
Haven’t got into the vid yet but I love the new hair! Really suits you
Hays Code may try to makes Hollywood industry more moral but there is one pretty controversional rules that causes racial segregation in cinema industry due to the anti-miscegenation rules that inserted in the codes which prohibit actors or actresses from different race to having contacts or having their role together in one film
The racism and homophobia were the only bad things with the Hays Code. If we were to bring it back, we could get rid of the bigoted parts.
Love your hair Georgia! You look stunning! Also - I had no idea about any of this, thanks for this video 🤗
Oh wow, just went to the movies to see Babylon and this just coincides w the movie and helps understand the movie. I love this episode
unpopular opinion but i agree with media not showing fully detailed crime in action scenes. in inherently glorifies the crime. specially in fictionalized versions of true stories. it takes away from the actual horror to oh thats cool scene.
I totally agree with this. Violence of every type is normalised these days and that’s terrifying. We’re all becoming totally desensitised to it - god help the younger generation and the next one to come.
There’s no reason for gratuitous violence when insinuating is such a powerful human function. That way people can visualise an act of violence on a level that they can subconsciously tolerate and live with.
I won’t even get stared about gratuitous violence against females…….
It's always been a curious debate: should people be shown the full truth of human behavior (good and bad), will bad behavior be gloried/become the norm/acted upon if shown in media, will it shape or harm those who view it??? I am concerned with the amount of sexualised violence particularly against females and how that is shaping societies views on violent sexual treatment of females (and sadly children).
I disagree. I believe that censorship is a violation of free speech and expression. If you don’t like violence or any other mature content, then don’t watch it and let everyone else make their own decisions.
Wow, what an amazing video. THANK you xxxx
Thank you for covering these vital parts of our history that so few people know about! If it weren't for creators on CZcams spreading the word about the LBGTQ+ history of the Hayes Code, I would have never known. 🌈
You are so intelligent and a wonderful storyteller - I really hope you’ll write a book one day.
I’m curious what your opinion is on the use of the term “queer” by people NOT part of the community. As a non-native English speaker I wasn’t aware of the negative history for a long time and always liked the term since it sounds inclusive and positive to me.
Wow so much I wasn’t aware of!! Thanks for the video it was so interesting.
I loved this video. Smtg that really needed to be heard. 😃
As an Old Hollywood nerd, I’m glad you’re talking about this. It definitely made a big effect on the film world and of course the queer community. Especially since they were all wiped out of media.. even today as you stated. Pre code films are some of my favourites though, they explored so many different things.
I think they should be presented more in history classes as a way to help teach students how things were back then.
thank you for covering the history of our community! i've been trying to read queer by maya de leo for months but i can't bring myself to concentrate even on one single page (not the book's fault, it's just me). i'm gonna take this as a sign and try again tomorrow 💜
A few years ago there was a clip from TV show on Telemundo that was blurred because it was two women kissing.
Like the show was from the same channel
Very interesting video so thanks for sharing.
That was so interesting! Thanks.
Also - gorgeous hair. 😊
Your haircut SLAYS, Sugarplum!!! And I love this background with that diagonal line :) Happy Autumn to you ❤
It’s so weird, that these standards were implemented. Especially since, back in the day….men wore heels, dresses and makeup. It was the “norm”.
* Hays Codes Rules in 1930-1940*
Private Snafu : Hays Code Can’t Touch Me
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very important video, so well done Georgia 💗🌈
Thank you for covering this subject,I'm a huge old Hollywood fan : especially the 1930s. Pre Hays code films are great..
This just made me realize I've never seen a pre-Hays film. Now I'm very curious
@@fafnyrslair There are some on CZcams, it's definitely worth a try .
@@fafnyrslair One of my favorite is The Most Dangerous Game from 1932. It available on youtube sense its in the public domain. Make sure its the 1932 version, and not the other adaptations of the short story.
I love the hair 😍
Loved this video! 🧡
I’ve never heard of the Hays Code before, glad to learn something new.
I love your true crime content and watch most of it, but something about your history videos just has that special something for me, I think it’s because I can sense your passion for it, same with lgbtq* videos.
I bought “As the band played on” on your recommendation, and am currently reading it for the second time.
Thanks for all that you do. Love from Austria ❣️
I have to defend the writing in two examples you listed, Oberon was killed off because his pride got in the way, they did however have other gay characters they didn’t kill off. Sarah in Buffy yes they killed her off but it was I don’t think because of bury the gay more to open up other conversation and they did keep Willow gay even gave her a new love interest.
Your hair cut is amazing!! You look soooo beautiful ❤
You can tell why people like Mae West & Ingrid Bergman were seen as so out there for the time even as straight women.
The Hays Code played a huge part in making the Golden Age of Hollywood precisely that; the golden age. The end of the Code signaled the end of that age and resulted in a rapid, noticeable drop in aesthetic quality, class, and professionalism. To the postmodern mind, it's hard to imagine a different world from the one we have now even though relatively recently, ordinary people actually believed in things like honor or the sanctity of marriage. From an artistic standpoint, it is far easier to make a movie that caters to the lowest common denominator as opposed to using something like double entendres. These movies often had more sexual tension than the new ones with their explicit sex scenes, for example.
We've gone in the opposite direction now, which can be a good thing in positive portrayals of same sex relationships (Tales of the City is one such fabulous series) and interracial relationships etc., while also potentially being unhealthy in how gratuitous scenes can be - high impact gore, strong sexual violence, sexualised violence. I do wonder if there is a point in which we might say it's too much?
As a devout film buff, I offer some further illustrations of your points, worth checking out: (1) For carefully obscure subtext, watch the triangle of the three leads in the classic noir "Gilda" (1946); (2) for a rare sympathetic gay man, watch Richard Basehart in the excellent 1947 (I think) "Repeat Perfomance", always shown on TCM around the New Year- but of course, he ends in an asylum! (3) I read a claim once, impossible to verify, that Robert Redford's (mostly) gay character in "Inside Daisy Clover" (1965) is the first overtly out character in a mainstream film to not end with suicide or tragedy. (I vote for Bugs Bunny). "Tea and Sympathy" (1956) is an earlier mainstream film that tap-dances on eggshells with the subject front and center. And of course you covered "Rope"; the case and characters are drawn from real-life Leopold and Loeb (did you get my note? 100th anniversary coming up!). Richard Fleischer's "Compulsion" (1958 or so) was a much more factual (but still fictionalized) look at the same event, with the relationship on the table.
This video is incredible! Thank you for talking about this! The effects of this are definitely still evident here and all of the transphobia in film even now! For instance- the whole plot being hinged on a man in “women’s” clothing or that a beautiful woman is actually trans and “gay panic” allows the “bamboozled” man to kill them or seek revenge in some way.
Some great points!!!
@@georgiamarie_ the ‘gay panic defence’ could drive me to murder, honestly. And all the sky jokes about accidentally kissing a trans person is so infuriating.
I know everyone says this but I can’t help say it to - why does it matter to anyone about other peoples’ sexuality?! If you don’t like it or don’t agree with it then fine. That’s your opinion. It doesn’t, however, give you the right to try to forcefully ‘correct’ people to be like you. Why can’t we as a society not just live and let live? 😢 Christianity (and pretty much every religion) has a lot to answer for and a lot of blood on their hands.
Even when the story is more sympathetic to the cross dressing* character, the movie still tends to be extremely transphobic. I saw Mrs. Doubtfire about fifty times when I was a kid, and I went back and rewatched it a few years ago. Yikes. Just… yikes. It does not hold up.
*I decided on that word because Hollywood seems really confused about Trans people and seems to lump anyone who dresses outside of gender norms into this category. Mrs. Doubtfire isn’t trans, for instance, but that character comes bundled with all your standard outdated transphobic tropes.
@@georgiamarie_William Hayes was mean
Love the new hair.
Georgia, I audibly gasped when I seen your hair. It looks absolutely stunning and suits you so well. Love this length and the waves as well.
I think it's important that you mention it wasn't, directly, the U.S. government. This kind of thing was insidious and everywhere but in the U.S. you didn't have a BBC equivalent - you had private broadcasters and studios following a glorified honor pledge. It no doubt had varying weight and influence but it wasn't 'law.' That's thanks to the U.S. having negative rights in its constitution. It doesn't say you have the right to free speech and religion, though it's often described that way - the constitution says you naturally have those rights by being alive. Instead the constitution says that GOVERNMENT cannot abridge those rights since its only governments that have the ability to infringe upon those "self-evident" freedoms.
Separation of church and state is vital and continually ignored.
The stuff ppl do today is weird, the stuff they used to do was classy and correct
As a mother of a gay child I thank you for covering queer history 🌈💞
I just absolutely adore you, Georgia. ❤️
Love the hair!
That haircut looks so cute on you! ❤
As a former Disney artist, I feel compelled to speak up for some old friends by pointing out that the company has had a very high gay representation in recent decades, especially in the creative areas, and many of the characters cited were animated by gay men, and all of them passed through the hands of gay artists at the design and storyboard stage, etc. Some of the 'gay' traits in the characters, at least by my observation, are more bits of self-expression than commentary. That goes for characters like Timon in "The Lion King" as well. Though Ursula is certainly a villain, the inspiration from Divine- advisably or not- was meant to make her more appealing. Things are moving so fast nowadays- happily- that it can be hard to see through the lens of thirty years ago.
Thank you for continually advocating for all of us queer folk! We love you GM 💜
House of the dragon tried to change the book storyline to avoid burying their gays. They had 2 gay men and one got killed the same episode he was introduced. The other guy was supposed to be killed next but I guess the writers were aware of the trope so they had his death faked and showed him rowing off in the sea to go live far away lol.
Cute haircut!
Unless this isn’t new, cuz I usually listen at work. Last time I actually watched, there was a cute ponytail.
Omg your hair 😍
23:59 I watched 'The Miracle', as a part of the anthology "L'Amore", and Anna Magnani was magnificent in it! I'm glad that that movie drove the final nail in the coffin of the noxious Hays code.
I have a love for pre code movies. I think people would be surprised of the topics covered in in these movies.
Hi gaylors 😭💜
Your hair is so beautiful
Honestly your videos are so versatile I love it! Every single upload I find interesting. I am not part of the queer community however I feel we could all do with education involving it as to this day there still isn't enough.
you go girl ❤️ xx
dont apologies
10/10 hair Georgia! 🎉 Also loving the queer videos, as a queer person you help me learn about our history ❤
Thanks Alexandra!!
Your hair is so cute
27:23 this may be true but I've seen people cite some absolutely absurd examples originating from media where literally almost EVERYONE dies at the end... And from what I've read doesn't The 100 end with EVERYONE except for the MC dead anyway?
Excellent deep dive into this subject! I'd definitely watch more queer old Hollywood history type videos. It's a topic that doesn't get talked about enough
You look great!
How they caught him is totally impressive
Georgia, your audio haa been a bit off lately. Very quiet
Queer coding isnt just subject to films, but sometimes to the actors too... my buddy met John Travolta once, and he was very offput by how the actor held his hand and drew him in, very intimately, to say hello.
Needless to say, he immediately put out vibes that he was uncomfortable with it... but hes a straight man, and other men may have not been so offput.. just sayin...
Tara's death in Buffy caused Willow to become a killer.
MY DEAR GEORGIA. LOVE YUR HAIR AND I AM GLAD YOU HAVE GONE BACK TO YOU ETTING THIS LOOKS BETTER I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND. AS FOR QEER I JUST LOVE YOU AS YOU ARE. DON'T EVER CHANGE.
For anyone who watches soaps HOLY SHIT that list gets long off the top of my head lgbt characters who died in them
Coronation Street - Maddie, Rana, Hayley
EastEnders - Tina, Steven, Paul
Emmerdale - Ruby, Ali, Jackson, Finn, Lawrence
Hollyoaks - Texas, Sarah, Nico, Kieran, Doug, Harry, George, Ryan, Danny, Lockie, Liam, Kyle
Home and Away - Charlie, Zoe & Tracey
I loved this video and think it’s super important to be knowledgeable on these issues even if I’m not a part of the queer community. Unrelated to the video: I LOVE your hair! It looks amazing and suits you so well!
I believe it was also so that the cinefilm rolls were optimized for white peoples colour palette, instead of for black people or a compromise of colours in between.
Could you imagine these people watching something like 50 shades! God they’d be mortified!
I'm still so mad about Lexi. And Fin for that matter. 2 characters and loves I like for Clarke if I couldn't have Bellake like the book and they killed them both.
Just commenting for the algorithm 🧡
Portraying homosexual characters as villains is such a common thing, but it is something I never noticed until I grew up. This has left me with conflicted feelings about some of my favorite golden era movies. For example, "Laura" (1944) has the awesome Clifton Webb portraying Waldo Lydecker. I love the movie and the character of Lydecker, but it is clear that he is meant to be the antithesis to the upright detective played by Dana Andrews. Andrews' Detective McPherson is the 'hero' who saves the day. Regardless, my love for Clifton Webb and his portrayal of Waldo Lydecker remains. I am just conscious about the context now.
I agree with Melanie and love the hair and also whilst I am not part of the LGBQ community I thoroughly embrace all historical stories effecting both the past and current generation. You explain everything in a passionate and knowledgeable way whilst not preaching. Please keep on with these take care Bev
Not a fan of the word queer (I know it’s reclaimed) but I know someone who was beaten to death (queer bashed) while being called it. I prefer either gay or lgbt but I’m all for a Georgia history video ❤️
I’m deeply ashamed to say ‘queer bashing’ is something my nephew took part in but the moment I found out I reported him to the police. The family turned against me but I know I did the right thing. I still feel the guilt for anyone he hurt. We don’t speak at all these days x
@@marlenerichardson4429 good for you for doing something about it. More people need to. I have friends who are bisexual who keep it mostly to themselves because of how society still acts about it.
22:42 weren't some of these down to having the same lead animator, who was a gay man himself, Andreas Deja?
I strangely heard about code as a child as I wonder why didn’t American screen parents sleep in the one bed?? My older sister said it’s cause the Hays code she was 13ish at the time in 1980’s Ireland had a lot of old films on tv
You cut your hair! It's cute but I thought you'd never cut your hair.
Long hair gets really annoying after a while!
@@georgiamarie_I agree, I have long hair too, but the new cut suits you.
I couldn't imagine losing interest in a story purely because it's "gay" history. That's just one more thing I learned here though.
I used to watch Chicago fire and one of the main group of characters was a lesbiab. I just wanted to see her happy but she got with a woman who robbed her of everything abd they killed her off. It made me so mad. This was around 10 years ago.
In Boardwalk Empire one of the main characters wives begins a romantic relationship with another woman, they both get killed unceremoniously, and brutally.
That was Angela. That really shocked me. I liked Boardwalk Empire, but it was too graphic, violent wise and the sex.
What up Geogia Maree. I try 2 research my channel up to your high standard. Mabey you could do the Libya 🇱🇾 beach murders. An English couple who owned a house in wellington capital city of New zealand. They both got shot 2 peices on the beach just outside the melitah oil base 2ed of January 2014. 4blokes in a 4x4 got arrested the same day in sabratha but let go the same day. Case is soo low profile and I'm not sure is even being actively investigated. I don't identify as Queer myself but hey....... you do you boo. Lol. All the best Geogia hope life gos well. Chef
Hello gorgeous! I still adore your hair!! I wondered if i might ask you a question? If you are comfortable answering.. i do not have anyone in my immediate life who are lgbtq to ask. What words do you find offensive in regards to lgbtq? Theres obviously words like f****t, that are aweful and i woukd never use anyway, but i very much want to be sure im never disrespectful in terms i use. I woukd have thought queer was rude because it also means strange/abnormal and thats not flattering.. wich is why i realised how much i dont know.
It definitely depends on the person. It's always easiest to ask the person what label they use. Personally, I'm comfortable with using, and being called, queer, gay, lesbian, etc. However some people prefer the term queer as it's more all-encompassing, and some people don't like it because of its history. LGBT people will refer to themselves using slurs like f*g, dyke, etc. I've been known to call myself a dyke and don't have a problem with my friends saying that, but obviously you can tell if someone is using it in a derogatory way. As long as you don't use terms that are known to be slurs, and ask people what label they use or are comfortable with, you should be good :)
@@victoriabyers5161 thank you!
I wish they still had the no nudity rule. Practically every film and has female nudity or something sexual like a guy goes into a bar and there's pole dancers. Etc 🙄. Makes me really uncomfortable and self conscious when watching this stuff. If you want to watch nudity and sex, watch p*rn. It can just be implied in movies. Especially as it's always women with their boobs out and very rarely ever men undressing. It's so unnecessary. Everything else you've mentioned I agree with you that it's stupid or unfair.
I was doing alright & then you said Lexa 😩 I’ll never be over it
I’m still not over Tara and Adam!
LOVE your queer history videos! 💜
I have been following you for a long time, and have always loved you content. Finally felt the need to comment, and say thank you. You are by far the best representation of our community, and always treat our history with so much respect and love. As a Non binary trans person watching you come out and seeing how much love you have for all members of our community is beautiful. You showing our history and being non apologetic for it makes me adore you even more. Thank you for all that you do and for being such a strong positive voice. I truly wish the world had more people like you in it.
I'ma just say this as nicely as I can Hays code is not a part of your history you guys keep saying that like the Hays code was specifically targeting gay people in gay people only when the Hays code had many rules that targeted many people it is a part of Hollywood history it is a part of American history it is not specifically apart of queer history
My husband and I are Gen X and we have a 17 year old daughter who is bi and very interested in LGBTQ+ issues. We recently sat down and watched Deathtrap, which came out in 1980 and was one of the first movies we remember that had a gay kiss between Christopher Reed and Michael Caine. It was a favorite of ours because it's a clever and well written movie but it definitely (spoilers) has the gay villain trope and my husband revealed that his father had been anxious about him liking it at the time because he was worried my husband liked it for the gay content. I still think it's a really good movie and at the time it was groundbreaking but in 2022 it demonstrates what you're talking about here as well as utterly failing the Bechtel test.
I love your LGBT history videos!
Howdy Georgia! I loooove this episode so much. I have a couple of points that I thought might be interesting:
* In this era of America, “sexual slavery” was about forced prostitution and human trafficking, with less focus on the race of victims or perpetrators. If I’m not mistaken, the FBI regularly pulled in mobsters of this era for this very thing because it stuck more time on a person and was much easier to prove than prohibition. Later, they relied on tax evasion.
* The Hitchcock movie Rope was based on the true crime duo Leopold and Loeb who were indeed gay, at least one of them was. The other was more so for trade. In that era the fact of the matter was very low key reported and wasn’t confirmed till much later as the details of their union were quite salacious and deeply based in psychopathologies we only started speaking loudly about in the past 30 years or so. Not due to their homosexuality, but their narcissism. They were arguably the first real case of what we call now “affluenza.”
* I also feel the need to thank you for not holding Marlene Dietrich as a feminist icon because of her openness and free spirit. Every time someone says she was a feminist, I’m positive she turns in her grave. She specifically stated in interviews that she DETESTED feminists. She most def doesn’t give much room for question.
* ALL of this is based on being a nation heavily based on puritanical views pushed on everyday life. Sadly, it’s still happening today 😢
* Side note: you ever notice how in pre-code movies the women of cheating men that cheated in retaliation and/ or divorce due to HIS cheating was responsible for breaking up the marriage?? 😂 Oh America.
I love your channel! Please keep ‘em coming 😊
Movies during the Hays Code days were better than majority of the degenerate trash released today.
First!
i hate when shows, movies, books... do queercoding... like, either commit to it or not. dont give me that "oh that character COULD be gay... but is he????"
This is not a dark part of queer history is a dark part of entertainment history the Hays code did not Target gay people in specific it targeted anything that was considered sexually perverted one of the main rules of the Hays code was no interracial relationships another rule was do not portray white people as slaves there were lots of rules to the code and it did not specifically Target gays so to say that this is specifically a part of queer history is wrong
This can be an important part of queer history and be a part of other history as well? It’s not mutually exclusive, what an odd view to have
With the whole culture wars battle in politics and the “anti-woke” movement happening with the far right wingers, I do worry that it may lead to bringing back the Hay’s Code into law again! If that happens again, it would be a huge attack against free speech and expression!
Things are starting to get a little better. On the show The Boys (SPOILERS FOR THE BOYS SEASON 3) there’s a character who isn’t in the comics much who they expanded on a lot. They made her bisexual on the show, which honestly leads to this great storyline where their company tells everyone she’s a proud lesbian and tries to fit her and her partner into this horrid little Ellen-and-Portia box. It’s this huge marketing campaign that she gets zero say in. Anyway, they get to the part where she dies in the comics, and the writers very obviously said “wait, are we doing a bury the gays? We are. We have to rewrite this.” And they did that in the sloppiest possible way. I’m glad she didn’t get killed off, but I wish they’d thought of something better than plot armor to save her.
Wow, idk you were lgbt community...
Its disappointing, cause i think you and i, as a straight couple.. could be amazing together.
But we live and learn...
Youre so attractive...
Just sayin.. i may love you.
this HAS to be satire surely
@@georgiamarie_ i wish... i find you to be amazingly attractive...
In another universe.. you and i could be together...
But that world doesnt exist here...
Its just a fantasy...
But you should know, you are amazingly attractive.
Im just sayin...
Its not satire, im seriously attracted
@@georgiamarie_ no..
I think i may really love you...
In another reality, we could be together...
This just isnt that reality...
Im sorry, perhaps i should be more frank.
Ive been subscribed for some time, and i admit i subscribed not only because i love true crime, but also because i do have a subtle attraction to you.
Its juvenile, and its animal, but i honestly never gave your sexuality a second glance.
I honestly was shocked and a little hurt to learn you identified as queer.
Dont get me wrong, i understand and support anyone, for being happy, and being themselves, but i did furrow my brow when i heard it.
Maybe i wasnt paying close attention before. Maybe i didnt want to hear it.
But, im not going to lie, and i will admit why im here, and why i probably initially subscribed.
Its because i do find you attractive.
From your accent, to your eyes, and your lips and hair, and of course your personality.
You are a very attractive woman.
I wish you all the best, and happiness.
Its slightly disappointing to know, as a man, i might not have a chance...
But i can laugh that off, for my naivate, and still enjoy what you do, and support you for the fantastic work that you do.
Ill be happy to support you always.
But seriously, you are beautiful. And you should know it. Id buy you lunch and laugh about this anytime if i could.
Be safe
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