@Brianna Raye well he's a fool 🙄 Anyway let's not make this moment about him. It's you moment. Massive congratulations to you. It's a great achievement. From one random internet user to another, I'm proud of you. Hope you had a great celebration ☺
“That was the greatest performance we’ve ever seen, and we couldn’t spot any errors. But to make it look like we’re doing our job, we will deduct 0.1 points”
He meant no more perfect scores for Olympic/elite gymnasts, thats the level his entire page is dedicated to. Judges def still give tens out in compulsory.
Gives off vibes of those kinds of teachers who don’t give their students 100 (depending on the grading system, here 100 being the highest) on a test or final grade if they deserve it because “only God is perfect”
I don't see anything wrong in that. Taught me resilience and humility. Moreover why do you want perfect score..just aim being the best in the competition
@@tromboner6061 aiming to being the best among others is bad, in my view. yes, competition makes you better, but i would prefer achieving the perfection, where no one can beat or overcome me, but only come to the same level, thus there's no need to go further
The only teacher that I understand doing that for is for drivers ed. My drivers ed instructor never gave out 100s because as he said, there can always be improvement, which I totally understand. 😅 Regular teachers that pull that sh*t can eat it tho.
You don't need dozens of judges for that, just bring my Asian father he'll pinpoint those mistakes like he pinpoints his sandals to the back of my head.
@@shiiiiiion "your nephew Timmy was able to do seven heart and brain surgeries while flying a plane and beating Bloodborne is 3.24 minutes on hard mode and single handedly won ww3 with non chucks in 5 seconds" -asian father
@@tomdemay6147well, hate to break it to you but judging has gotten harder over time. Additionally, it is true that judging is harder the higher level you are. Also, even though it might feel sad that the judges are being harder and taking away points for every single little thing, it’s actually better. It’s because if the judges consistently take away every single error, no matter how big or how small, they are able to more accurately rank the best routines, best gymnasts, teams, etc. when a judge judges very hard and is consistent with taking off as many errors as possible, it eliminates bias. The whole point of judging is the rank the routine/gymnastics in order of best to worst as accurately as possible. People think that gymnastics is about getting perfect scores, but what it really is about is out scoring every other competitor (which seems like the same thing, but it’s not)
What if there are 9 judge’s instead of 3 but they can only deduct points if 3 of them write the same thing, meaning you can’t deduct points if only a single person saw it.
There are two sets of judges. One set adds up how much difficulty was done. The other set adds up the form deductions. They have their own shorthand and now computers too. It wouldn't be possible for one person to do a thorough job.
It’s like baseball, the old 65 year old umpires can’t actually see where the ball is going. They just guess, nobody can actually access this in real time, they just guess lmao.
This isn't a diss against gymnastics but I think this shows why parkour and tricking are gaining more popularity. They're just focused on doing what looks cool and entertaining rather than trying to make something look perfect, to the point, its indiscernible to the general public
I would argue it's also helped by how much you can branch parkour into - hiking, running, trail running, climbing, gymnastics can all be something you can branch into, while you don't see many gymnasts become great parkour...ers? Or climbers etc while we're seeing parkour experts push dynamic Bouldering farther than almost anyone short of Chrispy Shawarma in the 90's. Gymnastics seems to just stay as gymnastics while other spots interact a lot more.
@@randomname9723 but that's a professional sport, they have to judge it somehow. literally no one is deserving of 10 in execution so it doesn't create much issue. at last Worlds only two gymnasts score above 9.5 in execution, it's not as if they're not awarding high scores to people. as creativity goes, there's plenty of it, but just like with every other sport the gymnasts are looking for the easiest way to get a big score, so routines sometimes feel similar.
@@Ramboost007the joke is sarcasm. Theyre saying the judges are bad for judging when they're sitting down and havent participated or done that well in the sport.
He’s talking about open scoring used in elite gymnastics (in the men’s and women’s side) & men’s college gymnastics. Scoring a 10 when they score out of a 10 like in Levels 1-10 & college women’s gymnastics is possible still - as we’ve seen this season. But to score a perfect score with open scoring is very hard because it requires perfect execution score which no one has achieved a 10.0 execution score. Simone came close in US Nationals I believe but even she got deducted a tenth of a point.
@hannibaljustincase9985 The human eye and our own perceptions also have limits. If whatever they're using to judge it can't detect it, then it's perfect as far as the judging criteria can tell. Therefore giving less than perfect, "just cause" or "I need to look like I'm doing something" is dishonest and frankly harmful to the sport.
This is one of the hardest sports and you can never win. What these guys do with there body is amazing and you always have judges telling you it wasn't good enough.
as incredible as Nadia's gymnastics was, her legs were apart on the landing and she had a small hop. it wasn't truly perfect, and I'm pretty sure she even mentioned it in interviews. although, if we "accept" the level of what Nadia did as perfect, then Korbut deserved 10 for her UB routine in 1972.
I do TNT( Trampoline and Tumbling gymnastics) and I finished my round off triple back handspring, and saluted to the double mini judges, not the floor ones.
Wait a minute. So, are you telling me that there might be out there some fantastic gymnasts whose skill level is similar to Nadia Comaneci's, but they will never have a 10 perfect score like her because today we have slow-mo cameras pointing to all imaginable angles so that judges will always find some reason to reduce your score?
Translation: Don't even attempt to do gymnastics because it doesn't matter how good you do there's always going to be some asshole who micro judges every little thing you do.
This stands true for most things. No matter what you do someone will try their damnedest to find everything wrong with it. This is why I have elected to become a crab.
When I was 13 a girl from my gym got a perfect 10 on the uneven bars. I was standing next to my coach (women's coach too) as she did her routine and dismounted the judge looked up at my coach with the most bewildered look of disbelief and said to us "I cannot explain it." And posted the 10. The gym ERUPTED. The only perfect score I ever witnessed.
Other reason might be that if a perfect rutine was given a perfect score, nobody can beat it who comes aftwrwards which is kind of unfair I think, so a close to perfect score is very good
One of my teamates got a 10 on uneven bars at one of these last meets. We all were shocked like there was no words to describe how anyone was feeling in that moment🤸♀️🤸🤸♀️
Can judges re-watch the performance on video in slow motion or something before giving their score? I mean, no matter how experienced they are, there's no way they catch at what angle the legs where at any time or how far an athlete was off the axis or whatever they are rating.
it's actually pretty easy to spot those things when you watch it from the right position even for casual viewers, let alone for trained judges with decades of experience.
That's exactly it!!! You're not there to appreciate on people's skills You're there to HATE on every single mistake they'll do 😂 and if they don't, you'll find one!
I think this is great. There are so many amazing athletes out there, if you want to see the difference between a great athlete and a greater athlete you have to be strict
My question: are the judges capable of doing any of these stunts. Genuinely. And I’m not a gymnast and I know they have to be picky but I can’t fathom the control you have to have to do all these skills only to get .5 of a point taken off for your legs being apart 1 inch.
"knee bend" -0.3
"No knee bend" -0.3
More like
“Not stiff enough”
“Too stiff”
Truee
"knee bend" -0.3
"no knee bend" -0.3
"your haircut doesnt fit you" -0.3
@@stephen_2091💀
@@stephen_2091but i dont have hair😮
Imagine having that job. Gleefully taking off points for the tiniest imperceptible things.
Couldn't be me.
@Brianna Raye well he's a fool 🙄
Anyway let's not make this moment about him. It's you moment. Massive congratulations to you. It's a great achievement. From one random internet user to another, I'm proud of you. Hope you had a great celebration ☺
Let me demonstrate: the first sentence ought to be written with an exclamation mark. 😙
-0.2
theres one other job like this: english teachers
Good thing you’re not a judge. A point system with a referee/judge system is key to every sport.
Without them, we wouldn't be able to have any competition. And we wouldn't strive to do better.
“That was the greatest performance we’ve ever seen, and we couldn’t spot any errors. But to make it look like we’re doing our job, we will deduct 0.1 points”
Just you wait. Eventually we are gonna see 0.0X error
@@TheDemonBrothersMeiz "Man I really don't wanna fucking do this but they'll send in someone who will if I don't"
Didn’t that happen to Simone Biles in Rio? She did a crazy good routine and literally just got 1 tenth off because perfect scores aren’t allowed.
@@chloebrower2598how didn't that led to a major scandal is beyond me
😅
"When their job is to find faults, they will find faults for the sake of their job"
I’ve seen compulsories (level 1 - 5) get 10.00 all the time I believe the judges are so much more strict the higher level you go
I'm level 3 and just got a 9.8 and yes they judged so easy I looked at the video and found many mistakes 😅
He meant no more perfect scores for Olympic/elite gymnasts, thats the level his entire page is dedicated to. Judges def still give tens out in compulsory.
10 isnt even a max score in D1 compulsories. But yes you can get a max score because there generally is only 1 judge that may miss things.
Ii
Well ya, obviously. Higher standards
Judges: that was the first perfect execution we’ve ever seen with no possible points for deduction, and due to that we’ll take 0.1 points off
women have had points taken off because their bra strap was visible 🙃
Job security
@@christinaeldridge2623 well that’s certainly not sexist or misogynistic at all!
@@christinaeldridge2623 I need the source Mr Eldridge
Great routine, unfortunately, your strap is in an 89° angle and we can see one millimiter of your bra strap, so we must sustract 0.4 points
Gives off vibes of those kinds of teachers who don’t give their students 100 (depending on the grading system, here 100 being the highest) on a test or final grade if they deserve it because “only God is perfect”
More common in catholic schools
That's shitmerica for you
I don't see anything wrong in that. Taught me resilience and humility. Moreover why do you want perfect score..just aim being the best in the competition
Over here they don't give 100% due to an issue where the school board will look over there shoulder if any students get 100%
@@tromboner6061 aiming to being the best among others is bad, in my view. yes, competition makes you better, but i would prefer achieving the perfection, where no one can beat or overcome me, but only come to the same level, thus there's no need to go further
It’s like when teachers refuse to give 100% on tests and papers.
Bur wouldn't it make sense to give the students a better score to show that they're teaching them?
The only teacher that I understand doing that for is for drivers ed. My drivers ed instructor never gave out 100s because as he said, there can always be improvement, which I totally understand. 😅 Regular teachers that pull that sh*t can eat it tho.
You don't need dozens of judges for that, just bring my Asian father he'll pinpoint those mistakes like he pinpoints his sandals to the back of my head.
Your flawless score doesn't matter if the neighbor's 9 year old neurosurgeon can do it 0.01% better
@@Adomas_B 😂😂😂
@@Adomas_BTimmy has been doing heart surgeries and olympic level gymnastics since he learnt to walk, you have no excuses
Gonna be a lot of emotional damage
@@shiiiiiion "your nephew Timmy was able to do seven heart and brain surgeries while flying a plane and beating Bloodborne is 3.24 minutes on hard mode and single handedly won ww3 with non chucks in 5 seconds"
-asian father
That's honestly kind of sad
If you gave perfect scores it would be difficult to give them a place as 1 might be better but both got a perfect score
Nah
Low t
there were almost never perfect scores to begin with. this guy acting like judging got harder honestly i dont even believe him.
@@tomdemay6147well, hate to break it to you but judging has gotten harder over time. Additionally, it is true that judging is harder the higher level you are. Also, even though it might feel sad that the judges are being harder and taking away points for every single little thing, it’s actually better. It’s because if the judges consistently take away every single error, no matter how big or how small, they are able to more accurately rank the best routines, best gymnasts, teams, etc. when a judge judges very hard and is consistent with taking off as many errors as possible, it eliminates bias. The whole point of judging is the rank the routine/gymnastics in order of best to worst as accurately as possible. People think that gymnastics is about getting perfect scores, but what it really is about is out scoring every other competitor (which seems like the same thing, but it’s not)
What if there are 9 judge’s instead of 3 but they can only deduct points if 3 of them write the same thing, meaning you can’t deduct points if only a single person saw it.
They won’t
It’s like trying to get 100/100 in an essay
My English teacher gave me a 50% in an essay because they didn't agree with my opinion
@@NelikinDid you contest that decision? Seems like a pretty shitty reason to deduct points to me
how do they even have time to look at you guys??
for real, they prob have been doing it for years though so they can probably look at what they need to..
And they don't have the benefit of being able to freeze frame or anything
There are two sets of judges. One set adds up how much difficulty was done. The other set adds up the form deductions. They have their own shorthand and now computers too. It wouldn't be possible for one person to do a thorough job.
They have computers they can go back and watch the routine as much as they want
It’s like baseball, the old 65 year old umpires can’t actually see where the ball is going. They just guess, nobody can actually access this in real time, they just guess lmao.
This isn't a diss against gymnastics but I think this shows why parkour and tricking are gaining more popularity. They're just focused on doing what looks cool and entertaining rather than trying to make something look perfect, to the point, its indiscernible to the general public
I would argue it's also helped by how much you can branch parkour into - hiking, running, trail running, climbing, gymnastics can all be something you can branch into, while you don't see many gymnasts become great parkour...ers? Or climbers etc while we're seeing parkour experts push dynamic Bouldering farther than almost anyone short of Chrispy Shawarma in the 90's. Gymnastics seems to just stay as gymnastics while other spots interact a lot more.
I mean, and how would you judge the scores? how would you define "coolness" of particular elements? lol
@@hannibaljustincase9985well it sounds like what you can do is very set and there's no creativity allowed
@@randomname9723 but that's a professional sport, they have to judge it somehow. literally no one is deserving of 10 in execution so it doesn't create much issue. at last Worlds only two gymnasts score above 9.5 in execution, it's not as if they're not awarding high scores to people.
as creativity goes, there's plenty of it, but just like with every other sport the gymnasts are looking for the easiest way to get a big score, so routines sometimes feel similar.
@@themurderofcoke yeah I agree
* Judge blinks * “ uhmmmmm 🙄…. -.2 “
" Oh nah!, the air touched his shirt, I don't like when that happens so, -0.01 for that too."
Judges watch in slow motion?? Incredible athletes 👏🙌
They use instant replay
@@Ramboost007 Wow the joke really just flew over your head.
No, no you can't@@icanonlyhave50charactersin30
@@Ramboost007the joke is sarcasm. Theyre saying the judges are bad for judging when they're sitting down and havent participated or done that well in the sport.
He’s talking about open scoring used in elite gymnastics (in the men’s and women’s side) & men’s college gymnastics. Scoring a 10 when they score out of a 10 like in Levels 1-10 & college women’s gymnastics is possible still - as we’ve seen this season.
But to score a perfect score with open scoring is very hard because it requires perfect execution score which no one has achieved a 10.0 execution score. Simone came close in US Nationals I believe but even she got deducted a tenth of a point.
What about the first perfect 10 in history for Nadia Comăneci? 🤔
@@catalinrotar5446 you’re right she did score a perfect 10 (multiple times at that) but that was before open scoring was introduced in 2006
@@bethanyschwartz9207 Good to know . Thank you .I'm not very good at this sport :(((
You gotta remind those lowly gymnasts who's boss
Judges judging...
HEY WHY DON'T YOU DO IT, and those contestants be the judge
Judges usually are ex-athletes themselves
I bet the judges can't do better. That's sick.
Imagine a high level judge observing a perfect routine and losing their minds trying to figure out where to deduct points.
Attire not smooth. -0.1
@@nazunasapostle1stapostleof755 that's a 9.9 routine I'm' talking about a perfect routine thank you.
I wonder how many times on a perfect routine they’re just like… I saw nothing, just take a tenth of a point off
Exactly! I mean like he said, it would "look like they did nothing" if a judge gives someone a perfect score. That's just sad.
the thing is, you can't really do it all perfectly. it's humanly impossible.
@@hannibaljustincase9985 if you didn’t catch it, it didn’t happen lol
@hannibaljustincase9985 The human eye and our own perceptions also have limits. If whatever they're using to judge it can't detect it, then it's perfect as far as the judging criteria can tell. Therefore giving less than perfect, "just cause" or "I need to look like I'm doing something" is dishonest and frankly harmful to the sport.
Gymnastic Judges and Driving instructors be in it together to find the most ridiculous reasons to pull someone down.
That seems tough. Imagine training your whole life to be dissed by the most subtle imperfections.
So basically the judges are just haters lol
basically, judges in gymnastics must be complete perfectionists
they will just make something up every time
Maybe the judges should try doing it, HOW U LIKE THAT HUH? I can't even do a handstand, mad respect to all the gymnastss
Thats the problem with looking for things you did wrong vs praising what you did right
Atp, tell the judges to come do the moves themselves 💀
This is one of the hardest sports and you can never win. What these guys do with there body is amazing and you always have judges telling you it wasn't good enough.
ESPN posts perfect 10s in woman's gymnastics every other week
now this is real life asian mode.
I didn’t even know there were perfect scores. You learn something new everyday
Nadia Comăneci of Romania received the first 10 or perfect score on bars during 1976 Montreal Olympics.
Nadia’s first 10 is one of the few legitimately perfect routines
as incredible as Nadia's gymnastics was, her legs were apart on the landing and she had a small hop. it wasn't truly perfect, and I'm pretty sure she even mentioned it in interviews.
although, if we "accept" the level of what Nadia did as perfect, then Korbut deserved 10 for her UB routine in 1972.
If Nadia’s routine was judged by todays standards it wouldn’t be a 10. Sad innit?
Hehe, I once saluted to the wrong judge
I do TNT( Trampoline and Tumbling gymnastics) and I finished my round off triple back handspring, and saluted to the double mini judges, not the floor ones.
I just watched the woman's NCAA gymnastics tournament last night and there were five people who got a perfect 10
One could say the bar is very high
damn
Get out now 😂
yep, they're literally jumping through hoops only to get a subpar score
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If judges have perfect scores all the time the sport would be way less competitive, the gymnasts just need to be better.
I would say this is a good thing. Look at it this way. The more challenges there are, the more challenges there are to beat. My dad told me that
So your telling me those judges has the brain power to view things in slow-mo 20,000fps
Getting a perfect score is like getting a brilliant move in chess
WHAT WAS THAT 0.4 DID THEY FIND AN ATOM FLYING OF HIM OR SOMETHING?
I mean honestly it's almost impossible to make absolutely no mistakes so it's valid
I'm a judge , too be honest on level 1-5, put I give a 10 when it is a 10.
Because when it is perfect why not.
This is my perspective
Wait a minute.
So, are you telling me that there might be out there some fantastic
gymnasts whose skill level is similar to Nadia Comaneci's, but they will never have a 10 perfect score like her because today we have slow-mo cameras pointing to all imaginable angles so that judges will always find some reason to reduce your score?
Lmao I bet the judges can't do it, yet they are the harshest judges.
What's your problem?
and it is literally their job
Haha no issue with it. Just think it's ironic.
Translation: Don't even attempt to do gymnastics because it doesn't matter how good you do there's always going to be some asshole who micro judges every little thing you do.
This stands true for most things. No matter what you do someone will try their damnedest to find everything wrong with it.
This is why I have elected to become a crab.
@@jackdiesel3067 Live your ambitions my guy
Asshole for doing their job? Keep crying lol
I'd like to see a judge evaluating Nadia Comăneci routine in today's standards
This seems like the dream job for those people who correct others in comment sections if they spelt something wrong.
I think it's a good thing. Otherwise we end up like the dunk contest and everyone gets perfect scores.
Imagine doing the one in a million run that is perfect but get then points deducted by some fat guy in a chair just because.
There should be a robot-judge, just to see if judges are being too strict, since it's in angles, legs-touching, etc.
When I was 13 a girl from my gym got a perfect 10 on the uneven bars. I was standing next to my coach (women's coach too) as she did her routine and dismounted the judge looked up at my coach with the most bewildered look of disbelief and said to us "I cannot explain it." And posted the 10. The gym ERUPTED. The only perfect score I ever witnessed.
"Did you just breathe? yep that is a minus"
😂😂😂😂
Mark to gain points: ❌
Mark to lose points: ✅
Sounds like gatekeeping to me 🧐
Sounds like a similar situation to dressage tests
And i bet the judges can't even do what he can
Other reason might be that if a perfect rutine was given a perfect score, nobody can beat it who comes aftwrwards which is kind of unfair I think, so a close to perfect score is very good
Them taking three points off because the lighting was bad 😂😂
can an actual gymnast answer like, is it physically possible to do that first vault without the knee bend and separation ??
Definition of coaches don’t play the game
This perfectly described the world today
lets see the judges do it perfectly then.
Having a perfect score means there's no more room for improvement
This kinda reflects life. Even how perfectly you do it people will still find a way to see your mistakes.
Imagine someone does an objectively flawless move and then the camera cuts to the judges just running away.
I'd like to be a judge and just "10/10 you spin nice" i'd be awesome
One of my teamates got a 10 on uneven bars at one of these last meets. We all were shocked like there was no words to describe how anyone was feeling in that moment🤸♀️🤸🤸♀️
"Didnt do their jobs"
Nah that's just them trying to find a reason to HAVE their jobs
Meanwhile, the judges can't even do a pushup, and probably live off of having done a parkour roll once in high school.
I bet the judges are just like: hmm that seems a little of, -0.5
Welcome to the world of Taiji. It’s been like this for so long
Can judges re-watch the performance on video in slow motion or something before giving their score? I mean, no matter how experienced they are, there's no way they catch at what angle the legs where at any time or how far an athlete was off the axis or whatever they are rating.
You know they train for years to be able to see those things quickly?
it's actually pretty easy to spot those things when you watch it from the right position even for casual viewers, let alone for trained judges with decades of experience.
"You moved your toe thats -0.1 points"
That's exactly it!!! You're not there to appreciate on people's skills
You're there to HATE on every single mistake they'll do 😂 and if they don't, you'll find one!
I would like the judge to go preform it perfectly to show me what I did wrong and what to do next time :).
Let me take off a point so that it looks like I am doing my job 😂
bro they might as well hire a robot for that lol
how they see your mistakes? 🤖 robotic eyes 🤖
it's like trying to get full marks in an essay.You know teacher gonna cut some
-0.000000000001 off of landing spot
Judge: -100000 POINTS
I'm sure video playback has a lot to do with it
So it has to do with the judge their pride instead of the athletes capabilities.
cant wait for AI to make this even worse. "Your finger was 1 nanometre off minus 0.5"
Feels like a teacher giving a %99 because "there's always room for improvement" 😑
Imagine fucking up a gymnasts score just so it looks like you did your job 🤦🏾♂️
How does this make you feel? Knowing their version of “perfection” is unattainable?
That vault was insane
These judges are professional haters😭
just like there are no perfect judges in sports.
I think this is great. There are so many amazing athletes out there, if you want to see the difference between a great athlete and a greater athlete you have to be strict
now let the judges do it
Gymnast performs a perfect score
The judge: He was late by .4 seconds in this twist, that's a minus in his score.
Lowkey gymnastics judges sound like looks obsessed teenagers that never grew up😂
Giving English teacher vibes
I'd like to see a judge repeat the routine after marking off points for the tiniest thing
“To harsh -0.3”
“To soft -0.3”
“To big -99.99”
Self esteem crushed
My question: are the judges capable of doing any of these stunts. Genuinely. And I’m not a gymnast and I know they have to be picky but I can’t fathom the control you have to have to do all these skills only to get .5 of a point taken off for your legs being apart 1 inch.
Nah, now I wanna see the judges perform these gymnastics