What's the History of New York City Pizza?
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- čas přidán 19. 03. 2023
- Tom Delgado takes you on a short tour of New York City and tells you the history of pizza. He stops at Lombardi's, John's, and Bleecker St. Pizza and talks about the dish's origins in Naples, Italy. Shot by Eric Thirteen.
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Check out the book Pizza: A Global History by Carol Helstosky
OK, the fact that you forgot, and is the most important reason for the spread of pizza - starting in the Northeast, and then nationally, is the invention of the gas pizza oven. The original ovens in NYC were coal-fired brick ovens (originally developed for bread baking), but were too big and expensive (and in many places, outlawed) for most new places to use. But when those gas ovens (the kind that flip down in front) were developed, they were cheap enough for everyone to buy for their places. That's when the dish became widespread.
For that you have to thank Frank Mastro. There should be a documentary about him even if just a short one. He helped invent the gas deck oven, the slice joint restaurant format, and sold that and pizza equipment and recipes as a package deal *to* Italian American who weren't necessarily bakers from Napoli in Italy where pizza started.
Latest evidence shows the earliest pizzamakers in the US were also pizzamakers in Napoli and they started opening pizzerias at least as early as the 1890s and probably before that.
The biggest revelation though is early Italian American pizza is actually what's most like what was brought over from Napoli in the 19th century. So in NYC, that's our earliest surviving pizzeria like Totonno's, John's of Bleecker, Lombardi's. Pepe's in New Haven and Papa's and Delorenzo's are also similar to it. It's pizza napoletana in Napoli today that's more different from 19th century Napoli pizza than old American pizza.
@@cjaquilino That's interesting, because early Italian American pizza baking was always done in coal-fired bread ovens. Are you saying that original Neapolitan pizza as we know it was not always made in handmade wood-fired ovens? I would find that hard to believe.
@@mikeymutual5489 It was definitely made in wood fired ovens in Napoli instead of coal like in NYC and New Haven. But the more important point is the bake time/temperature mid-19th century was near identical to coal oven spots today-5 minutes.
And you don’t have to take my word for that. Pizza historian, Scott Wiener, found a London newspaper article from 1860 describing how pizza was made then. It says pizza is baked for 5 minutes until crispy and that it was famed for it's crispiness. That's on his website.
That that's inconsistent with modern pizza napoletana that bakes 60-90 seconds is true. But that's because modern pizza napoletana is a reinvention itself. That's the current consensus of pizza historians from Scott to Colin Caplan to Peter Regas to Luca Cesari and Alberto Grandi. You don't get great rise and puffy, pillowy and light crust until you get refined, stronge white "Manitoba" and 00 invented in the 60s. Before that whole/semi-whole wheat flour was the norm. Even today it's still true you get much less rise out whole wheat flour.
@@cjaquilino OK, thanks for the info.
Hey Tom / Eric...
So I'm a native New Yorker born and raised Brooklyn Baby.
There was a pizza box on the corner of Hoyt st. & Douglas st. I think it was Joe's Pizzeria ( not totally sure) but OMG talk about missing good pizza!!! Ih fold that slice, the little bit of grease drip on the paper plate and that DELICIOUS marinara sauce and cheese in my chin...WOWWWW
Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
Being in Florida for the passed unteen years, miss a good slice.
The pizza given to Queen Margharita contained those three toppings because those are the colors of the italian flag, which was intentional on the part of the pizzaiolo.
The only time I was in New York in 2002 a concierge recommended Johns on Bleecker Street. It was absolutely the best pizza I’ve ever had I need to go back.
You need to watch One bite pizza reviews on youtube, it got one of the biggest scores ever that place
Terrific as always, Tom (and Eric). Native NYer from Queens here. My first bite of “chain” pizza was at a Pizza Hut on a high school trip to Florida. One would be hard-pressed to find any chains in NYC, pre-1990s.
Thankfully, our local pizzerias did reasonably well through the pandemic, given that they could work around the restrictions. Nice to see new restaurants opening.
Love the monthly shows, Tom! 🎉🎉🎉
have a slice for me please,
I'm nowhere near a good pizzaria
*it must smell amazing and comforting at your local pie shops :)
Generation X, not a baby boomer...but still... I enjoyed the Morse Code humor.😁😂
Thank you for educating us in such an entertaining way Tommy!
Congrats on 70k subs, Tom! Hitting the big time, babay!
Tom, my grandmother was born in in the UES in 1892 (German Jewish). When I was a teenager, my stepmother made frozen pizza and my grandmother told her she had NEVER had pizza. This was around 1980. She was a lifelong New Yorker and had never had pizza. I was amazed.
Historical Fact: Workers were served pizza while building the pyramids. Empty Pizza Hut boxes were discovered in King Tut's tomb. Petrified take out pizzas were found in Pompeii.
Modern Day Fact: There is a Pizza Hut/KFC across the street from the Sphinx and the Pyramids of Giza.
Pizza Tut
The twinkie they found was still edible.
@@tnyc3265 Some things never change!
I put in an order and it was not delivered.
Great episode. Speaking of pop culture, gotta mention Travolta trotting down the street, slice in hand.
I just got back from NYC and I had a little pizza tour. Lombardi’s, John’s on Bleeckers, and Di Fara. Damn, all three were great.
Love your videos! I love history and the comedic way you present it 🙂
Bleecker Street Pizza is my fave in NYC. They open pretty early too, so I had it for breakfast when I was there last spring.
Awesome awesome video. Always look forward to these
Legend has it that Tom is still giving a tour to that slice...
Legend has that new pizza's garbage.
Perfect, Tom! Great job, guys! ... Now, I'm hungry at 2:41am! lol (Greetings from the EU!)
Thanks for putting so much into these videos! Been watching for years now, then going and visiting the places you talk about, and I’m now moving to New York. Videos always feel very authentic, keep being you!
Moving to midtown. STOKED to find out the closest place to get a slice to my new place is considered by a connoisseur as the best spot in Manhattan. Great videos Tom!
😂 good video! I've worked at CiCi's, Papa John's, and am currently working aT Domino's part time. If we had over 400 pizza places here, I would visit all of them! I love a good slice
You must have a sad life
Fun fact, that association in Naples that gives their seal of approval to pizza places? They’ve never given one to a restaurant in New York City.
And no pizzeria in Napoli has a Michelin star.
Some of the oldest pizzerias in Napoli don't follow the AVPN rules. It's not particularly based on solid history. It's more of a stamp of quality by their standards.
Pre-WWII pizza in Napoli would fail AVPN standards, much less 19th century pizza. 00 flour doesn't even exist until the 60s. They had whoke/semi-whole wheat. Yet 00 flour was a requirement to make "true" Neapolitan pizza. Its rules are incoherent.
Awsome video, Tom. Pizza yummy!!
love the vids! I cant wait to go back.
Nice gem spa hat! And great vid as always, super informative
Tom, you're still the best !
Yo tommy D, can you do a video on the west 28th flower district (between 6th and 7th)? could talk about the history of how it emerged on that particular block, and how tourism and the metastasization of the midtown hotel zone threatens its continued existence. I find it absolutely fascinating how something so specific can emerge in such a specific spot due to the massive scale of agglomeration that occurs in a city like New York, and how one could go years without even knowing it existed and suddenly turn a seemingly random corner and be charmed by such a unique little slice of the world.
This is a good idea.
When i first looked for affordable hotels in NYC, I found The Latham. Now i assume its a shithole but back in the early 80's it served our purpose. Then, we moved up in style to The Seville. Parking in front was possible then if you had a shitty car like my Chevette.
Really good video! The humor is great. Subtle. But there, and it is 'amore'!
I’d consider myself an insufferable NY pizza snob… and… I thought you did good. Great video.
The toppings of the Margherita also represent the Italian tricolors; red, white and green.
" In what world would I know that ?!? " is the most honest answer I have ever heard.. 🤣🤣
Always love the videos.. but loving the gem spa hat in this one. Classic!
Great video, veeeery interesting!...and so great to run into you on the street near the Seaport (I know it must have seemed like a creepy stalker moment 😂). Love your comedy & videos! 😁
Eric participated a lot. Hope Tom bought him a slice.
I went to graduate school at nyu and love nyc pizza. But i grew up in Minneapolis. Where Totinos pizza was made. The actual restaurant pizza was much different than the frozen ones. It was rectangular shaped and very cheesy with a red sauce.
Cool review! I love Lombardi's... Been there many times. But, I also grew up with Ellio's in the cafeteria. Living in Flushing, there's many great slice joints by me. Thanks for the history lesson!
Loving the Gem Spa hat!!
PIZZA EPISODE!! COWABUNGA!
Cool channel and great topic ❗💯👍
Yum !
You’re singing much better Tom. Getting darn good. Auditioning yet?
thank you, I never understood why I never got drunk eating Margherita Pizza. I need to learn that MetroCard/ATM trick. Pizza was popular in the film "Loverboy (1989). I suggest Hot Honey Sicilian slice at Siena Pizza. How did you know my pants were off? Freakn TikTok.
I've tried Bleecker Street pizza before (because of HereBeBarr's recommendation) and I found it to be ok. I really like pizza from Prince Street pizza
I agree. If you've grew up with New York style pizza, it's not drastically better or worse than any other place. The Nonna Maria is a more flavorful slice than an average one, but that's about all I'd say about Bleecker Street. Way way favor John's of Bleecker.
If you ever make your way to Vermont, there is a city called Rutland, it has the highest concentration of Italian immigrants Per Capita next to NYC, we also have the 3rd oldest Italian American club in the USA. Ted's pizza opened in 1958 and has pizza that is similar to NYC, I lived in Astoria for 3 years. The sauce, whole milk and smoked pep is just perfect! All the ingredients are house made with recipes that came from the Vignoe family who I believe moved to Rutland from Brooklyn in the early 1900s.
That Domino's used to be a ski shop on 8th Street. COVER THAT!
Another great video!!! Also consider doing more live streams!! 🔝🔝🔝🔝💯💯💯💯
In the 70s, I'm a displaced New Yorker living in the Bay Area of CA and hating West Coast pizza. I'm watching the Rockford Files one night, and there's two "goons" from Brooklyn, hired to do work in LA. They order pizza. They start eating. One says to the other: "Back in Sheepshead Bay, we t'row up on a crust like dis!"
I was watching my dominos being made on my app whilst watching the video. 🍕 👀
Good job bud. More pizza videos would be cool. Maybe a taste test even?
Good video Eric I wonder if Paul vallro brother still has pizza area that was shown in goodfellows
Love pizza and so when I saw this I clicked and I loved it
i bet when anthony dropped the dough on the floor, he did not throw it away
Real Italians making unbelievable gravy and mozzarella and delightful dough......its really simple and almost impossible to duplicate.
Lived in Rego Park from 2017 thru 2018. Went out of my way to get what others told me. Had plenty of great slices here and there. One place I really liked cause they were in Terminal 5 at JFK was Famous Famiglia. There were so many awesome choices. Visited a few in the city and still thought it was great. What say you? I'm now back in Cali and I don't order crappy pizza. Great vid 👍
I love "acres" as a measurement for how much pizza we eat
My favorite pop culture pizza was Godfather's, the "pizza you can"t refuse," reputedly delivered in a hearse. Also, pizzas are a very high profit margin food, which may partly explain the survival of neighborhood pizzerias.
Found out about you from Chris Distefano, mentioned about a tour guide comic, thought there was that only other one
good one councilor 👍👍
Interesting.
Hey Tom, some argue that your neighborhood has one of the best pizzerias in the City, Rosa’s, on Fresh Pond, near Metropolitan. Their “Sicilian” slice is somewhat unique, similar to diFara’s, I think. Other places are making their own version, calling it an upside-down slice. It’s really worth a try.❤️💚❤️💚
For some reason, I always thought Tom lived in Washington Heights, probably because his first video I watched was of WH. My mom grew up in WH and my grandfather owned a grocery store there, so it fit a nice narrative in my mind.
Papas Pizza is well worth the trip from the City to Robbinsville. They even have a mustard pizza which is friggin delicious. Check it out.
Great video. Would be great if you did on the hot dog. I seen it on coney Island video but maybe if you do it on food tours of nyc
The greatest reason why pizza spread across the country so rapidly is simply because it is delicious and cheap
History of pizza. This is fun
Fair warning, when we natives see you eating 🍕with a knife and a fork, you will get the "death stare" from us. lol
I'm getting hungry Tom🍕
PIZza is my favorite happy food. ty Tom
Thank u, ❤ur videos 😘🦄
Tommy I've eaten at Bleecker Street Pizza it's amazing pizza. I ate at Lou Malnati's deep dish Pizza in Chicago for Saint Patrick's day very good Pizza.
Ben's Pizza on MacDougal and 3rd. Right next to Mamouns, Comedy Cellar and Cafe Wa.
NYC pizza 🍕 is the best. Worth the trip to New York City to buy yourself a Pie 🍕🍕
New York pizza...worth a trip? Not even close. You can find so many other better things to do than eat some greasy, soggy cardboard with cheap toppings. And Chicago deep dish pizza is better? Well duh, it's a thousand times better. And the best part is that you don't have to travel anywhere to enjoy it. So you wanna talk about worth the trip? No, New York pizza is not worth the trip. You can find much better pizza in Chicago.
@@Rolf-1gv7ej2jall lies my friend.
I love your singing not bad. !☺️
The tomatoes come from Peru. 1812 or 1900?, Because the pizza comes from Italy! In Sicily the sea food they mix it with cheese, lots of people do meaning ng chef's. The potatoes comes from Peru aswell. Thanks for the videos 😊
OMG! THIS is new york.
Pizza Parttyyyy!!!
Friggin’ Domino’s!!! That should be how their signs read. Change the name of company!!!
In the UK we prefer the boil in the bag pizza or if feeling posh an Iceland frozen margherita
The best pizza in New York is at my place on my stone.
New Haven still has the best pizza
Hawaiian Pizza (with, and without bacon)
lol thanks for the freaks shout out 😂
O more please
I love a good pizza
Gem Spa!!!!!!
wow u put a metro card in and a dollar came out that is crazy new york is so crazy
You forgot to mention that Lombardi's Pizza is not, actually, "Best on the Planet," even if it says it on its sign. But it *is* better than Domino's.
lol its very good but not even close to the best in nyc
Grew up in da Bronx,my friend Sal owns Pugsley Pizza near fordham University and Bronx Zoo...go see him he has a big Bong and will ring it if you tell him u will go?tell him Gabriele sent you..
Rim light intro..... !
But WHAT WERE THE THREE RULES OF THE PIZZAIUOLI ASSOCIAZIONE, TOM?!
Hey ,Tom! What's up?
Frank Mastro invented NYC Pizza dawg.
Best slice in NYC is danis house of pizza reg or pesto with sauce on top nothing like it
I worked for Dominos and didn’t even know the 3 dot story…or maybe they told me and I just forgot because I didn’t really give a fuck🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tommaso, when talking about the popularity of pizza u a-no mention the Pizza Connection 1975-1984 ??
Nice video. Yea, dog pissing on leg was my first thought. Eric second (pissing on Tom's leg that is).
Wow! You can sing! Now you have Plan B as a viable option:-) That's Amore! 🍕🎤🎶
Can I book a 1 or 2 days private or small group NY tour with you ?
Bring back Phil !
Beep beep beep beep beep PIZZA SUCKSSS 😂😂😂😂 that was hilarious
What about the “Sicilian” pizzas?
Is the lens flare and shooting into the sun on purpose? Cant decide if I like it or hate it.
Which is "the real Ray's?" hahahahahaha C'mon Tom!
@5:40 Again, not to nitpick just updating on the latest research. Peter Regas has now proven there were older pizzerias than Lombardi's. Earliest definitive evidence is an ad for a pizzeria is in 1894 but circumstantial evidence shows pizzerias likely existed in NYC even before that.
Gennaro Lombardi lived in Brooklyn and worked at what became Lombardi's but was taught by Francesco D'Errico and switched ownership of that pizzeria with D'Errico and eventually came back to own what became Lombardi's again later on.
The man you show at 6:04 is actually Filipo Milone not Gennaro Lombardi. He opened a bunch of pizzerias including what became Lombardi's all in the 1890s.