KICKED OFF OF PUBLIC LAND part two Trying To Tag OUT //
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- KICKED OFF OF PUBLIC LAND part two Trying To Tag OUT // #PLH2 EP 9 We finally make it NM for another public land adventure. This is the final day of season in New Mexico and it's the last chance to punch tags. It was a strange and awkward interaction elk hunting. This is going to be one very tricky elk hunt and we bring you along for the entire ride.
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Love the content!!! I got here after hearing your podcast on this hunt. I took a deep dive into the NM harvest data for GMU 9. This is the Mt. Taylor herd. State of NM population estimate is 700-3500 Elk....25 Bulls:100 Cows/Calf ratio. Sustainable harvest is 40-100 bulls for the heard and 0 cows(makes sense as it sounds like the heard has been decimated). Crazy thing is.....417 Tags where issued through the state draw that where ES or MB(217 ES the rest MB). There were 2 cows reported killed through public draw (2 more than sustainable for the heard) and there were 53 bulls reported killed through public draw (half of sustainable harvest) Now comes the private land part of the unit. 177 Private land tags issued....68MB, 11A, 98ES. Out of these 177 tags, 98 bulls and 10 cows where reported killed. (By the way....this was with an average of only 64% of private tag holders reporting!!!!) At the end of the day....USO on the Floyd Lee potentially harvested more than what the state of NM claims as being sustainable to herd viability. Another interesting tidbit is private land tags (that reported...could be higher) had a 59% success rate. Draw tag holders had a whopping 12.9% success rate.
Last note. in 2021 Floyd Lee Ranch had 115 land owner issued tags. All where (from what I can gather) 65 MB and 50 archery ES tags....All Ranch Only. Now they could have had other land owner tags provided under different owners or names... I just know that these 115 tags where issued for Floyd Lee and only mentioned 70,415 elk occupied acres. We all know Floyd Lee consist of way more than that. I just didn't have a way to break down the other 62 land owner tags.
At any rate...It's a bunch of gobly gook if you just skim over it...but if you read it and take it in....It kinda makes your hunt down there make sooooo much more sense. Not to mention the elk numbers. basically you where hunting a decimated herd that was being corralled onto private land to become more decimated. I say "F" USO.
My skin in this is I used to be stationed at Kirtland AFB in the early 90's .....GMU 9 was always 2 or 3 on our draw selection. Obviously (even back then) the Gila was king. But 9 was close to the base and most guys that got drawn there and could hunt.....killed good bulls.
Excellent research
These are the kinds of things that pisses NM hunters off. It is already difficult to draw a tag, but then you are constantly hearing that these outfitters are getting away with bullshit. They should not be allowed to lure in herds of elk to private land just so they can get at them with their tags. I personally think outfitters should not be able to guide on public land AT ALL, with landowner tags. It is completely unfair.
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Great video! This actually shows what's wrong with part of this country "Rich People Trying To Step All Over The Average Guy" in this case average hunters. USO Outfitters should lose there hunting rights over this harassment!!!!!! I don't understand how there clients money and time was more valuable than yours! Have them explain that one!!!
Great job to your entire crew for staying calm and sticking it out and somewhat salvaging your hunt.
I'm not rich, I run tresspassers off anyway! IT IS YOUR JOB TO KNOWS WHERE YOU ARE! What burns my butt is when some city dweller shows up and tells me what I need to be doing for him/.Best if those folks stay on the pavement.
@@frankmorris4790 You know prior to the 1880's there was no concept of private land and public land...... Perhaps we should go back to that given that basically no ones driving cattle anymore.
@@Valscorn01 The concept of private land is one of the things that make the USA exceptional. Maybe not "driving" but grazing on the forest is still going on, and may it never end! "Public land " is a legal description I'm told. Lands open to settlement. Gerald Ford did away with that in 1974.
In any event, the cow man and the logger are imperative to healthy forest/range land. No matter what you may hear from the bunny huggers running the Forest Circus at present.
This is real. That’s why I watch this channel.
Thank you for taking the time to flesh that out - you could see that security guys story start to crumble when he said he didn’t really know - he was just going by what Floyd “Illegal” Lee said…if security guy is what he says he is - former Law Enforcement -then it’s his job as security to know if what he’s telling people is legit and it wasn’t even close. He started really backtracking when he realized you were going to call actual law enforcement - embarrassed for him….. And there was nothing wrong with that shot - anyone who bow hunts long enough has shots like that go wrong - the keyboard warriors who haven’t been in the game very long don’t realize that until it happens to them. Great videos!
Thank you!
Father in law use to tell me stories of hundreds of elk in the herds in that exact location, that main road that leads to the floyd lee up in 9. Last year in October 2022 would see elk come out on the back of trucks the day before the season started, and planes flying around dropping cherry bombs out of them to break up the herds and push them back onto the ranch.
Great job on not stopping when you have people that are trying to destroy your hunt like USO OUTFITTERS. It stinks, losing the bull, but that is hunting. It's not perfect hunting wild animals. I give you credit for sharing this with us. I would love to help you out anytime in Colorado. We love hunting elk, and it doesn't get any better. We are blessed to be able to hunt in God's country.
Great information on public land. The 60 yard shot on a walking elk that missed the vitals by 2 feet was hard to watch.
no kidding. I woulda left that out lmao
My bet goes to the bull was a waste 🗑 😪 💯!
It seemed like it started walking a half second after he released his arrow.
I am so glad you have exposed the underhanded shenanigans practiced by shady outfitters! This same problem is wide-spread! The G&F offices need to pull the outfitter's license in addition to a hefty fines. Until that happens, they will continue to do what they do.
Amazing job of staying calm when you knew things didn't smell right! You guys worked your tails off to the bell AND stayed to try and finish what you'd started. Sadly, unless the State of New Mexico gets involved, I can't imagine a scenario where that landowner and outfitter stop harassing legitimate hunters. If there's any avenue for us (other hunters) to engage NM on this, please post it
You should’ve called the FAA on the copter! Harassing wildlife will get his license revoked! Great video! This made me want to continue elk hunting. I took this last year off for a new job, but maybe next season I’ll get to go back. I’m 0/8 on seasons. It’s hard to not quit when we are this bad at hunting, but one day maybe my hard work will pay off. Thanks for the inspiration!
Floyd Lee Ranch obviously have so.. much money and influence they can obviously do exactly as they like.
Their grazing rights should be removed as a start!
That wraps up the New Mexico series.. we will for sure post an update video if anything comes of the public land shenanigans.. in the meanwhile we’ve got a few more PLH2.0 vids and steady stream of your regular programming 😎🤘🇺🇸
@TimConnor #TDD you got this dude
I hunted here this year too.. I don't hunt close to the ranch but This ranch needs to lose land.. or "lease" rights.. maybe/hopefully prison time would be nice. They have decimated the elk population and it won't recover without assistance. This was my first year trying again hoping the last 8 years it would have recovered some... not at ALL. Are you still communicating with the warden? Or the office? How can we the viewers help here? Nothing will change unless we force it. That unit needs elk reintroduced. No reason it can't be a trophy unit.
I live in Northern NM, and I know a few good areas in 5A, 5B, 6A, and 6C. If you draw for any of these units, let me know.
We had our hunt destroyed by Floyd Lee's helicopter in 2012. Running his helicopter up and down the mountain herding elk onto his property. What an oofa!!
Being from NM I can honestly say that outfitters land owner’s and the game and fish are one the biggest problems with hunting in this state. Game and fish set aside tags for outfitters and ranchers more tags then are available to the common hunter in the draw. The preference is given to the rich. It’s pretty much impossible for me to get my 10 year old son permission to hunt on private land (if he even draws a tag) because I can’t pay the big bucks.
that is sad to hear
ELK hunting becoming rich mans sport. Crazy $$ paid to outfitters. Only going to get worse. Sad!
No ma'am, you're either misinformed or disingenuous - From the NM Game and Fish website :
In accordance with state law, the drawing attempts to distribute a minimum of 84% of the licenses/permits for each hunt to New Mexico residents, 10% to residents and nonresidents who have contracted with an outfitter and 6% to nonresidents who haven't contracted with an outfitter
Any more news on the warden addressing the hunter harassment you had to deal with!? Did they talk to the land owner and give them tickets!?
any update?
I hunted in unit 9 also and had that same experience with those ass holes and I will never go back I'm a resident of NM those people think they own all of Mount Taylor. Look at the ass holes place and you'll see elk on the property that is why you see the helicopter
Great job, great vids. I would not say that you left NM empty handed, as you guys gained experience and valuable knowledge…and in the wake you shared much of that knowledge to others, thank you. I was 99% sure you were correct about the land leasing for grassing, was so glad that you called the warden and confirmed for all of our sake. Keep on, and thank you
Thanks for that!
Great job keeping your cool but still getting the facts and sharing it with everyone! It was a great watch! The nerve of some people to take advantage of others is horrible.
Thanks for showing the bad ones guys. This year was my first year ever hunting. Without a hunting partner or father to teach me it’s been rough. After 3 long days of no sleep hunting. I ended up shooting and killing a doe. The shot was quartering away and my arrow went inside behind the back rib and up through the front shoulder. My mistake was chasing immediately after it. I had only ever hunted pheasants before and always thought you were supposed to put it out of its misery as soon as possible. After loosing the blood trail I didn’t give up on finding it and actually asked a 70+ year old lady and husband to help. Turns out it died around the corner and was in brush so thick that it was impossible to see until you stepped on it. Unfortunately, it was so hot that it was already decaying and being eaten by other animals and nothing was harvestable. We can’t control everything to make it perfect but we can control ourselves. I wanted to quit hunting but instead decided that next year I’m loosing weight so I won’t get tired as quickly, getting a better sleep system so I’ll be awake and alert when hunting instead of exhausted, and doing something every single week to learn a little bit more about being a better hunter. They are a living creature that we are killing. We owe them our utmost respect in life and in death.
What a roller coaster of emotions. Way to stick at despite all the odds. Especially the above average odds that you all had and leaving it all on the mountain. Great series guys. Way to keep a humble helping heart too. Love it 🤘🏼💪🏼🏔
It's really crazy to me that you guys are so pure hearted about public land. There are so many A-holes out there that do exactly this garbage with trying to act like they own land. I love that you know your rights and followed up with the game wardens.
Awesome video! Thank you for keeping so much of the hardship footage. As far as those “outfitters ” go….we need to get this behavior out there. The state should not tolerate this behavior. Y’all did the right thing Bravo Zulu to y’all at Elk Fit!
Well these people that falsely accused you of taking there camera should look at this video, and see how good you guys are. Giving water to people who needed it, next time they will find out before putting you out there. You and your guys and Tim and MFJJ are the best. Love the videos, I’m learning so much just by watching all you guys. I’m a newbie so thanks so much for the inspiration and knowledge that you guys all teach I believe in you.
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Great series, I enjoyed watching your ability to work through the problems that can plague an elk hunt. I haven't hunted NM for a few years but have had some great hunts there. Sorry to hear that USO is still up to their old tricks. I thought NM had delt with them, I guess not based on your report.
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This is been some of y’all’s best videos, to see how hard y’all work and this makes me want to get into elk hunting , not only hunt but train to hunt. Thank y’all so much for what y’all do.
Man this hunt was an interesting one that had me locked in from start to finish..the knowledge you all provided in this hunt was great…the information you provided about leases and that outfitters was something else
That much blood that's a dead bull...searched hard but got to search harder...some of those blood piles looked like murder scenes
Appreciate you guys showing all the footage. Doesn't always end how we want. Thanks for doing the right thing and helping out those hikers also. Too many people dont go out of their way to help others. Better luck on future adventures guys.
Great job to all of you. Keep your head up Dan, it will all come together in due time. This was an awesome series.
You guys did an amazing job for all you had to deal with and you should be proud ! Thanks for sharing, and may God bless your future adventures with big game and non-existent outfitters!
Awesome public land series! You guys did a great job showing the ups and downs of elk hunting. I appreciated you showing that not all things go your way and also , you didn't edit out when things go wrong. Keep up the good work, you inspire all of us to work harder at becoming better.
That was friggen funny Jake about your single life plans. 😂 That’s awesome you guys did your part to get some authorities in that area and hopefully there will be a stop to that, ridiculous. Looks like some awesome landscape but man, lots of challenges. Love the intensity of Jake at full draw and heart pumping breaths. Sweet content
I just watched the video of your New Mexico elk hunt on public land.
And I must commend you for your attitude and the way you dealt with the people telling you to leave public land.. your attitude was always respectful even though they were in the wrong you are a credit to hunters everywhere and best of luck in all your hunting trips.
Great video series and thanks for taking us along on your journey. Sorry about the bull but you all did everything you could and then some. Thanks again and can't wait for the next videos.
Holy shyte... That was amazing!!!
Thanks for sharing!
Awesome attitude all the way through both parts from getting “kicked off” to paying HUGE respect to the animals trying to find him!! Great content and always new things I’ve learned watching the videos! Great job guys!
Great footage! Your honesty is admirable. Allowing yourself to be vulnerable is why you’ll continue to have followers here and real friends for life. Keep given er’
Inspirational stuff right there ! "Keepin It Real" Always learning !
Great job guys. You guys both gave it your best. That is all that matters.
Amazing footage, and it’s humbling to see the best in the world still have setbacks and failures. The big difference is you are willing to put your pride and heart on the line and share it with us. A lot of people would have deleted the footage. 🙌
Great video guys. I was hunting unit 9 same time as you. Sept 15-19. Heard one bull bugle, and never saw a single elk for the 5 days I hunted. You’re right, it’s a hard unit now. In the early 2000’s there were elk everywhere in that unit. Then they just started getting hunted out. I always hunted it with a rifle. After I last hunted there probably 2012 I said I’d never go back. Then this year rolled around and thought I’d give it a try with a bow in the peak of the rut… and bust. Probably not putting in for that unit again. Sorry you had that experience in my home state. Most units aren’t like that with the landowners. But… I have heard those rumors about those guys also. I hope this video gets out to the right people and the game and fish are able to do something about it. Thank you again, God bless, and hunt safe.
Great hunt and video guys. Can't wait to hear what happens next in the series!!!
I had a similar situation happen this year. So painful. Thanks for sharing, Elk shape guys.
Great series. Appreciate the authenticity of things - not every hunt is successful. Also appreciate the reflection over "would I take the shot again". Had a similar situation hunting muley's this fall. Buck surprised me and I missed the close shot, but he checked up and offered a longer second shot. I took it, hit him back, and had to track him for a couple hours before putting him down. Thought about my decision to take a low probability shot the entire drive home. Still not sure what I would do if presented with the same scenario again. Keep the content coming!
I couldn't wait for this video to drop. You guys did a phenomenal job on these!
Great job guys! Sucks what you went through but I see a lot of good coming out of this. The content is killer as always! 👊
That was so freaking good! You have a natural ability to tell amazing stories. Both with your dialog and your video editing. Thanks for the inspiration! T-minus 8 months and counting for me!
Man, that was a brutal experience. I appreciate that you shared it nonetheless. Bow hunting is not easy, a thousand different things have to go right for a successful hunt, and it's easy to take it for granted when things do go right. When you only share your successes, it only reinforces the self doubt that others like myself are failures. Everyone fails--it's how you respond to failure that separates real men from "wannabes."
I grew up on that Mountain and I remember the days when you would see herds of 200 during the archery season you hit it on the button they miss managed that unit with so many cow hunts It was great to see that country in your video great job on a great video.
Great post, thank you for the insight and letting us in on that great hunt. Sorry you couldn’t fill the cooler.
Kudos boys!!! Great hunt , great additude. ALWAYS endeavor to persevere ! God bless .
Thank you for posting the video, I enjoyed watching your adventure.
Rough circumstances and a tough hunt! Lessons learned and in the end the good deeds for the hikers will be remembered and talked about for years. That’s how you build a positive image of hunters into a possibly non hunting community! And it’s just the right thing to do. Great job guys!
That’s a great motivation speech you made at the end it make me definitely want to work hard this year and try my hardest to succeed in getting my first elk down
Thanks man
So crazy. What sucks is how many times you hear about stuff like this happening but the guilty party only gets a slap on the wrist. Sorry ya'll had a crap experience but appreciate everything you did to document the situation and bring it to light.
Real challenges of elk hunting. This reminds me that though many of us focus on the physical aspect of training, the mental strength is just as important, if not more so. The ability to overcome all of the adversity is what makes ELK hunting truly unique and special! It's tough to train for the disappointment of the wind switching last minute, the competition of other hunters messing up your hunt (accidental or intentional), and that wondering in your mind when you just can't seem to find the elk! Anyway, what I'm saying is that remember that the mental toughness is part of what makes ELK hunting what it is! If it wasn't so hard, everyone would do it! Dan and team do a great job at staying positive and focused no matter what and that is what makes them more successful than most! Thanks for the REAL DEAL Elk adventure! Looking forward to whatever is next!
Holy cow!!!! This one put me through the ringer!!!! Best episode yet! Can’t imagine how you feel, but thanks for getting out there working your ass off at me and taking us along with you!!!!
Awesome video. Great piece to end the video. Well said. Good luck next September.
You did great buddy. We are all with you. Don’t feel bad. Go back to your great family , and get ready for the next adventure.
Really appreciate showing the grind. We have issues with outfitters locally that do what they please all for the sake of money. Thank you for showing that not hunts end the way we want them but we do all that we can to give the animals the respect they deserve.
Great series Dan. For sure the kinda guys I want to be in camp with. Guys that put themselves second for the success of the entire group. Those are the kinda people that will test your physical limits to the max to help them succeed.
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Great info. Bummer on the bull. All that blood. Thought for sure it was a sealed deal.
Best channel for archery/hunting and real life shit hands down. This was an awesome series. I have to say tho, it was good to see you two building and nurturing the father son relationship! 😎😂🎯🏹 Here's to an epic 2022 season. Let's Get It...
You guys are legit!
Awesome and sobering at the same time.
Keep it up. You're on the right track.
Thanks so much!
love it. Keep up the good work.
Wow that was a great entertaining video and great camera shots. Keep up the great work!
😂😂 the single mom interview had my dying lol
That was an exciting series even though it wasn’t very exciting for y’all for those nine days. You did a fantastic job showing all that one can experience on an elk hunt. It’s not always glamorous and wild animals are unpredictable. We know how much time you put into preparing for your hunts but this just goes to show that things don’t always pan out no matter the effort we put into a hunt. I look forward to watching more amazing content from you. I definitely look forward to chasing bugling bulls next fall. 👍🏽
This is real life hunting right here and especially on NM Public!! It doesn't get any realer than this! Most people would of quit and you guys remained relentless which is what it takes. These are the hunts that make you better in a weird way!! Bummer on the bull as that was good amount of blood I thought for sure artery! So sad what money has done to our sport! Great series!
The Dan calling me daddy was great!! LMAO
Love watching this series. I live in NM and never hunted unit 9 but I have heard a lot about this happening and seen the videos of the helicopter. I will be glad to suggest looking into unit 13. Love that unit. Got my bull on sep 3rd 2021.
Great hunt Dan and Jake! Well done on the editing, bummer on the elk but u definitely put the work in and did ur best and that's all u can do is do the best u can on shot and recover and sometimesit doesn't work out ,but that's hunting, still looked like it ended up being a fun time spend in the woods together
Great recovery effort, you guys tried and that counts for a lot.
So many great things happening in this episode, best one yet. Who's your daddy! Lol start the mom jokes. Exposing guys trying to stop people from accessing public land and paying it forward by helping those ladies out, and helping each other out. We don't always get the ending we want but that's why you guys put in the hard work to give yourselfs every chance to be successful. Great job gentlemen, great job! keep it up!
Love your attitude!!!
Definitely got a new sub !!
You guys are awesome!
Thank you for showing how to 100% handle the situation. Great video.
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome content, great editing and story. Wouldn’t expect anything less
RUBE!!
great video, we learn from or loses. and sometimes the biggest reward is being wiser. also exposing USO is a good thing for hunters.
Top notch big moves y'all made good stuff
sweet film!! really shows the truth about elk hunting
Awesome video guys. Sucks you didn't find him that is tough. Thanks for exposing Floyd Lee and there sketchy stuff they do. I don't hunt near there fence for that reason. I recognize a bunch of your spots you went and during that first hunt some of those are good spots. That fence and area you guys go into at the end to get your shot I recognize very well. Unit 9 is rough and you got to really work to find them.
The good the bad the ugly the amazing is what makes this CZcams team and channel #1 to me thank you for taking the time to record this series for our viewing pleasure
Awesome video, dudes!!
Man, your videos are so awesome, they pump me up.
Glad to hear it!
Wow great show, I just stumbled across your channel. And loving the content........ sucks you lost your bull especially after everything you guys went through. But hey with archery it is what it is. My wifes elk this year was at 69 yards mine was at 74 yards. .........we take the shots available.
Enjoying this season, guys. Nice work!
Glad to hear it!
Great video with true grit! You guys were so due for a break. Kudos for your guys efforts in getting to the bottom of the shady outfitters. Uso needs to be investigated and served a big fine or lose their outfitters licenses!!
That's crazy . So much blood , I thought for sure you were gonna find him . I appreciate you so much for the hunter you are . Such inspiring and true words you spoke at the end of this video , bowhunting is hell on the heart for sure . You'll get em next time . Thank you for the PLH series , us blue collar boys respect and admire you more than you know .
It was a gutshot, it definitely died, sucks they didn’t find it! Great video though!!
Loved the authenticity in this. I’m a beginner at hunting, seeing your reverence to the hunt, to the animal, to your team, very honorable. It just makes me more excited and motivated to enter this journey( hunting ). Definitely gained a Subscriber
If youre a beginner - maybe dont watch someone that flings arrows at elk. 100% whiffs on one shot, gut shot another. Watch someone with ethics instead.
Amazing video gents!
Helluva vid…..subscribed immediately finishing this vid and the previous one before this! Keep it up!!!!!🇺🇸
Much appreciated
Best one yet. We all can relate someway
You rock dan love your stuff and I watch everyday. Love the bow builds and sight reviews.
Awesome! Thank you!
Great footage and story. I couldn’t wait for this one to drop and was literally talking to the screen when you had that bull coming in. Sorry it didn’t work out but you did it right guys. Just a footnote: where I grew up (farm boy from SoDak) the story on grazing rights was that they were sold for way less than market value per head of livestock. The fact that some landowners in prime hunting country are allowed to use public land as if it was theirs and, apparently allowed to do pretty much whatever they want is criminal. Seems to me that the state could stop these practices if they really wanted to…
Great video shame about not finding the bull but you definitely gave it your best shot
Better luck next year
This is the best thing on You Tube right now!!
I remember the Podcast and how frustrated I was listening to the crap that u boys went through. Great video you handled yourselves perfectly. Keep grinding fellas well done .
Wow, I've fallowed elk shape on Instagram but now you got a new subscriber on CZcams from me. What an awesome hunt, I look forward to more 👊
Head up Dan, that’s just a tough situation. You’re a better hunter for it.
This is the best kind of hunting video. Makes me wish I had some buddies like this to hunt with.
Wow. Great hunt