The Seiko SKX007 vs. The Vostok Amphibia!!
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Keeps the movement safe, it was part of the design.
😂 impressive design.
It is interesting for sure. I remember watching a video on how the Vostok was designed, it made me appreciate it a bit more. I love Russian watch history and brands, yet was never a fan of these Vostoks (even if they are iconic and very interesting)
Edit: The SKX is a much better watch and I love the SKX and Seiko divers, used them for diving in the late 90's as computers weren't widely used. (PADI certified rescue diver)
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It's like a CV joint on a car.. It's designed to turn around while moving around its access..
The only down side is if you work on the movement you need it to be set a certain way to avoid trouble..
Its different like the back cover were they made it to not turn around to stop seals tearing etc... while fitting the back.
I can hand wind my Amphibia. The crown is designed this way to not transfer its impact directly to the stem which may possibly damage the movement.
That was what I came to tell.
That's right folks, the crown is a kind of clutch crown and when pulled out straight to its ultimate hand change position it will engage the stem and turn the hands. The date can be changed when you move the hands past the 2am or so and back past 9pm to return over to the 2am... Back and forth, back and forth. A bit of a pain, but do-able.
Jeff Rey He is a COD fanboy, those jackasses be str8 up hating anything Russian.
@@johnnywatches247 Exactly, that is how it behaves and how the construction is made. The reason for the wobbling crown is, as we all know, that the watch is actually intended for real use on big depths. The quick set feature for the date is actually working quite nice.
@@jeffmsc I get your point, but "fair more advanced than anything else he wears" might be a stretch considering the large amount of luxury peices
That "wobbly" crown is is a unique and Brilliant piece of engineering and design. I'm stoned that as an expert reviewer you would have failed to research the details on this...
Yeah it was disignet like that so there was a smaller chance of the crown breaking if it hit something a really good idea imo
Sorta
Not as much of a expert. 5min Google research will give you more info.
The apparent "expert" is sometimes biased
Yup, u said it.
Also, for anyone that’s not familiar, the caseback and acrylic crystal are engineered to compress under pressure and increase water tightness as you dive to lower depths. The shape of the crystal was calculated and designed to maximize water tightness while providing clearance for the hands at depth once it begins to compress and flatten closer to the watch face. It of course moves back into its original position under normal atmospheric pressure.
The two part case back is designed to prevent damaging and shearing the large sintered rubber gasket, unlike most other dive watches with one piece gaskets. The Vostok gasket also compresses and flattens under pressure. As it flattens it increases surface area which increases water tightness. Pretty ingenious fellows, using water pressure as a source of water proofing
Female viewer here. I do have the Vostok Amphibia for ladies ,I liked because it’s hand winding,small and affordable price for me.
Always amazed that so many watch reviewers don't know that the "wobbly crown" is actually designed to wobble that way.
Keep telling yourself that, champ!
@@thetimeteller bro, do some research, don't make a fool of yourself, there is a video from Wonders of Watchdom that clearly explains why it wobbles. It's a great design, if you smack the watch in the crown nothing will happen to the movement, and it's operation is very easy to understand, after you use it like, once... This video you made is low effort crap made for clicks, zero research. Unsubbed, by the way, pay more attention to your "reviews".
I came to the conclusion, after watching many of his videos, that he's a troll that makes all of these videos for clicks and attention, this particular video was painful to watch, he acts like he knows shit about watch design and engineering. This dude really needs to stop being so pretentious when he does zero research.
@@thetimeteller Geez, not just a disagreement, but dismissive and kinda 'haughty' about it too... charming?!
@@thetimetellerbooooo, what a childish response
The Vostok just has so much more character. It’s like wearing a piece of history.
No one buys a Vostok, because they want the most accurate, well built watch available. People buy them because they are interesting and have character.
kind of like why people buy ak's
Based Zoomer but AKs don’t jam up like American M1s..... sod off yankee fanboy.
I have a 200m 31 jewel Komandirskie which is really an Amphibia with thin sword hands. The Vostok easily beat my SKX in accuracy at 2-4 spd from the factory. It’s a gift at $60 against the SKX which, apart from lume, is worse. Stick it on a jubilee and it arguably even looks better, particularly with the domed acrylic.
Well said, bro
I know folks regulate it to within the cosc specs.
I was recently made aware of the design history of the Vostok. The crown was discussed at length, and it turns out to be a design choice. The case turns out to be a spartan implementation of a compressor case, the stem is two part to protect the movement from impact, you pull the crown slightly when setting the time, because there is an actual clutch built into the Vostok's crown.
So this is a conscious engineering effort with a decided purpose.
It's a shame that your review completely misses out on the technology. For years I have not bought a Vostok Amphibia, and I do own a Seiko Mini Turtle, an Uemura, and I had two SKXes and a Stargate. So yes, I am a Seiko fanboi.
But the first thing I did when I watched a proper review of an Amphibia that goes into the history and engineering choices, is go and buy a Vostok.
Shame that you diss a design that in my view is something the industry can learn from.
If you want to experience a 90s diver as it was in the 90s, Skx.
If you want to experience a 70s diver as it was in the 70s, vostok.
Actually, it's a 1967 diver watch. Neither the movement nor the case have been changed in design so far.
@@sebastiantorres1 The Amphibia cases have been updated slightly, but have all the same interface dimensions. So all parts are interchangeable with vintage. The older Vostok Amphibias weren't automatic, but they are now.
Watch the Perrett video you might learn a little something.
Greg Morrison ... correct 👍
You erroneously said that the Vostok doesn't feature manual wind.
As for setting the time, you need to keep a small amount of outward pressure on the crown so the crown and stem lock into place.
There is a clutch system that prevents shocks against the crown from transferring to the movement.
Ooooh. My bad. So it’s just a sh*tty design. 😂🤷🏻♂️ Anyway- mine doesn’t handwind or hack.
The Time Teller I don’t think it’s a terrible design, but we can all have different opinions 😊 As for your issue with hand-winding and setting the time, perhaps something broke (the keyless works or the gear that engages the ratchet wheel)? All Vostok movements have hand-wind with no doubt about it. The automatic movements are essentially the same as the hand-wind calibers with an extra module added on top (apart from some other very small changes). Hope that helps and have a great day! 🤙
@@thetimeteller Yeah make an ass of yourself.
@@thetimeteller the crown is wobly so it hadles impact better so the connecting rod or crow doesn't break
@@rsagape7300 Glad I've watched this video and saw his comment. After this I think he's just an obnoxious guy with money to run his hobby if you can call it that. He didn't take a second to research this watch, and he shits on people who designed it despite many limitations. And I'm not even a Vostok fanboy, a good watch with a history is just that, and it deserves respect.
I never thought I could love a watch more than my SKXs... Until I got a Vostok Amphibia. 80% Russian Tank 20% Swatch. Love the Vostok.
A quick google search could have eluded the mistery of the wobbly crown on the Vostok. It would have been an interesting fact to provide your audience with.
Do your homework, the Vostok DOES hand wind … shame on you.
@@ronobvious9619 Hes just little troll trying to earn more attention by intentionally shittalking :)
Jim Rees hahaha calm down little boy, they are still rubbish either way.
@@johnnyasus86 These are good watches Mr.,not a Rolex of course but they do it's functions equally for a huge lower price tag.
Dead Monk yeah, not accurate or nearly as good of quality as a Chinese watch
@@johnnyasus86 Yes Chinese watches are good too why not. I like all watches for they are not for their price. I own both SKX007 and the Vostok Amphibia and I assure you they are superb value. All they do is tell the time like a 10000+ Euros watch does. Wish you good health and stay safe !!
I have watches worth a few thousand yet one of my favourites is still my vostok amphibia - great watch and bulletproof!
I own 4
Just ordered first one, hope it is cool!
I own 2 Subs, a Breitling, 3 Tags, a Longines LLD and half a dozen Seikos, my 3 Vostoks get more compliments and indeed more wrist time then any of my "High Priced" spread ones! You wear these for fun, history and conversation pieces, not watch snobbery!
@@Chazman1946 I enjoy not having to set the date on it, comfortable to wear, and distinctive.
@@johnrooney507 I just bought an Amphibia on Ebay. I loved its design and its history. I saw a video showing that it resists 500 meters of pressure!
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But that Vostok Crown is far less "wobbly"
than most heads of The SKX fanboys 👍🐸
Vostok fanboys aren't any less annoying.
The Russo-Japanese War Colorized 1905
orion deschamps AHAAHAHHAHAHAAHA
Nicely done.
The Bi-Directional bezel was also designed without ratcheting since once you go below 10 feet underwater the pressures push it down and keeps it from accidentally rotating. A dive watch with a faulty ratchet could still be bumped into and knocked out of place.
I bought a Vostok based just on the price i wanted a auto watch that i could beat on and not worry about and here in australia a seiko skx is almost $300 where as a vostok in $80 so it wasn't a hard choice
trevor annells same here! I know this isn’t a comparison between THREE but Orient watches, Mako/Ray are also better values due to price and what’s offered compared to the SKX!
How did the Vostok hold up? Do you recommend it?
@@a.nd28 it's been holding up really well have no problems with it at keeps time just like it did new and still just as water tight as ever, it's been one year so only time will tell if it holds up 5 years from now
@@a.nd28 I have an Amphibian. I do everything with that watch on my wrist. Swimming, snorkeling, playing soccer for already one and half year. No complaints at all. It's a very durable timepiece.
Hi sorry ifs a bit of a reach since this is 2 years ago but is there a place to buy a vostok in Australia or is it through meranom?
I have a Vostok because it is all I could afford. I take it surfing using it as a timer and the bezel doesn’t move. You can increase the tension as well if you want. Also use around garden digging mowing wipper snipping etc never had any problem. However do want a Seiko diver. Saving hard for a turtle. Good video thanks
I went exactly the route you went. Vostok then SKX013. It's a world of difference. Especially from Vostok to Turtle I imagine. When I sold my Vostok, I forgot I ordered a glass caseback for it which arrived weeks after I sold it. So now I gotta buy another Vostok to experience it with a exhibition caseback lol
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The crown is supposed to wobble like that. I've heard it's because the crown is separated from the movement in a sense to help prevent being damaged from shocks
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The Vostok's crown is connect to the stem by a clutch to prevent it from getting damaged it struck. To set the time you have to pull on the crown to put tension to engage the clutch while turning. It does feel super weird the first time your set one.
Regardless of how wanky the crown feels, it is quite functional once you get used to it. I believe in a torture test, the Vostok will easily out last the Seiko. There are videos on CZcams where people have thrown Amphibians off bridges, froze them in ice blocks, and run over them with a car and they still keep running! They’ve been the official watch of the Russian army & navy since the 1960’s. They’re not refined but they are extremely rugged.
Yep, and there's a reason they call 'em the "AK-47 of Watches"!
That Vostok Amphibia is ab absolute beast for real I have had mine for over two years now and it just keeps going no matter how much you beat it. Also, a little bit of white toothpaste and a cotton cloth and you can keep that acrylic crystal looking like new.
Can I just say the Vostok also comes on a 38-39mm it’s great I’m 14 and for me it’s perfect I’ve been scuba diving with it and it’s amazing
Hi there, I have a SKX009 and Amphibian scuba dude. I love both but I want to stand up for the VA.
Yes, Vostok crown freaks you out but you get use to it. I think it was designed like that to protect the movement in case of bumping.
The watch is Russian it's made to do the job without smiling, not fancy, just a watch you can bit and not be worried about. The vintage look is great.
Seiko...come on is Seiko
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I’m in my 60’s. I’ve owned a Seiko monster for ever. Went diving with it many times, took it with me as I crisscrossed the country as the driver of a eighteen wheeler. It’s visited a jeweler once. Still great.
I’ve owned a Vostok, not as long and it hasn’t been around like the Seiko, however it also, like the Seiko, feels like a tank. The crown is what it’s meant to be. For diving, the bezel should be unidirectional. For everything else it does what it’s supposed to.
If you don’t like us older things and want to know what time it is, buy a digital thing, or take a peek at your phone. Both these watches are old but great. And inexpensive.
The crown is designed to move (wobble). Its a shock resistant feature in the Vostok. Actually a really good engineering feature.
It's just a thrown together review, with no research being done before the waffle ;)
I wear my Amphibia’s everyday. They absolutely ooze character. I love the style, simplicity, Heritage, ingenious Case-back design and all its little quirks. Including the wobbly crown, Poor mans hack and ‘semi quick date set’ they are a joy to own and modify 🤟
Smart!
Me 2, favorite of all my watches 🍻
Me 3 and not many know about the poor man's back. I can add with positive sincerity that the poster of this video does not know about that hack either even though he's had his watch for 5 years.
The bezel is supposed to do that. When reaching the right depth, there is enough pressure for it to work with retention; and upon reaching the desired depth is when divers would set their timing bezels.
I put the bezel in different spots and wear my Amphibia everyday and it never moves, i use it to time walks some time or ordering pizza. Hardly life depending situations but it never moves unless you move it.
The Vostok Amphibia is an automatic movement with hand winding. Wind it in the first position by winding it upwards.
The crown is purposely wobbly to prevent the pin from getting bent if you bang it against something.
The crown also has a clutch. It’s not going to move the hands unless you pull it out all the way and hold it out while turning.
The wobbly crown feels naff but serves to stop shocks from a hit on the crown being transferred through the stem to the movement. The bezel was designed to function as it should in water, not out of it. Thus the Vostok is a triumph of function over tactile aesthetics. It is truly a tool, not a toy created to amuse us watch guys. Thus it's the polar opposite of another recent release that you've looked at. For me, the Vostok remains the sort of watch you own because you are an avid watch collector who wants to own pieces with provenance and interesting design facets. My guess is that watch guys will buy both but it's the SKX that will get worn most often as it's an excellent and credible EDC while the Vostok is an esoteric oddity that is likely to spend most of its long life being an unworn curiosity.
David Holland Great points...Vostok most certainly must be understood in order to be appreciated - brilliant simplicity!
grijsje Absolutely...and my Vostoks wind buttery smooth👌
I can understand this@@grijsjebecause by comparison, most 7S26 powered watches are kind of boring. But my beater is an 7S26 powered SNX121K that looks like any other Seiko 5 but with romans at 6, 9 and 12. Clean, neat and Explorerish in its neatness, this served me faultlessly at work and play for over a decade. Somehow I cannot believe that a Vostok would fulfil such a role without issue and regular use for a decade must surely lead to a semi opaque crystal. I guess its what we Brits call a horses for courses issue.
@@willardhooton920, and of course engaging with oodles of opportunity for amateur modding and customisation to keep it interesting...
David Holland Nice, I’m always a sucker for the Explorer look as I sort of gravitate toward that dial esthetic.. and yes, those SKX and Vostoks are excellent candidates for cosmetic modifications. I personally loath the ss Vostok bezels so I replace them all! My fave has a coin edge bezel with a lumed sapphire Batman bezel insert (120 case)- love the brilliant shine of the beautiful domed hesalite crystaland sapphire insert together! The bezel/insert combo cost more than the watch itself! Topped it off with a NOS circa 1970’s tropic strap - piece looks straight out of the sixties....a $200 standard Amphibia, completely crazy I know, but you’ll never see another one like it!
The Vostok crown was designed to minimise the risk of damage from bending forces. It is not physically connected and engages via a clutch. I tend to think it is answering a question virtually nobody would ever ask and unnecessary but it was a clever idea. The pressure resistance concept of the Vostok is genuinely brilliant and I really wonder why Western companies have never really adopted it as it allows for quite a lightweight, simple case which can resist very high pressure and the push in rather than screw in back is much better for sealing gaskets.
Vostok may not be beautiful as Seiko but it is a loot tougher and stronger,seen people freeze it throw it in wall ground mud... And it works man
I'm a Seiko guy for sure, but I do also own a 24hr movement Vostok Komandirskie that I got to test the waters before getting a Glycine Airman Purist. The sliding bezel was actually beneficial at first as I would use the marker to highlight the 12hr time until I got used to reading 24 hour time.
Some of their dials are pretty unique looking, so I've pondered adding some more just for kicks, though, I guess modding a Seiko is also an option.
There is actually a quick set for the day function. Turn it to 8 o'clock then over to 12 o'clock and the next day is set. Repeat till you have it set to your needs.
Cheers from Germany. Johnny
This is one of the worse reviews of the Vostok I have seen, there is an excellent video on CZcams that explains how and why the watch has this sort of design, I have one of these Vostok’s for years and am very happy with it.
Why put a leather band on a dive watch? Unless you are just posing.
lmao you never wanted wet leather everytime you dived?
honestly people dont realize it but the amphibia is a VERY important milestone in diver design. they made a diver using completely different and rather ingenious tech. If the amphibia was made in Switzerland it would have looked a bit nicer, and cost thousands more. its a long long list of feature that make the damn think an absolute beast, just not to the naked unsuspecting eye.
for example did you know that the acrylic glass bows and compresses the deeper it gets and seals tighter with rising pressure?
Or the case back that is designed to compress on a HUGE gasket the deeper it gets, or that the crown is designed that way to prevent transfer of shock and pressure to the stem? or that the bezel underwater is damn near impossible to rotate due to pressure?? unlike any other diver out there, the amphibia gets MORE waterproof the deeper it gets. If amphibia was executed by the swiss, it would have spanked the venerable rolex sub.
Vostok fixed some issues. My new Scuba dude has far more resistance in the bezel, the date window is now beautifully framed and hand winding is a pleasure. Great vintage dive watch. ☺️
You can remove the bezel and alter the spring so to is stiffer. Conversely you can spray WD40 to allow it to slide gently.
pretty bad review, not a hint of knowledge on amphibia!!
Ironically, my Vostok winding action is smoother than any watch that I have ever wound! Easier if you tilt crown slightly downward so that gravity keeps crown from screwing back in..
the crown has a clutch also helps in absorbing some shock , its been designed to wobble
Vostok =Steve Zissou....both awesome!
The Vostok is FUN! It’s exciting, it has history. It has literally been in space! It his probably the cheapest mechanical watch you can buy that actually have character and an interesting history. The Seiko is also great.
They are great in completely different ways and are in no way competing.
I'm just in love with the Vostok 😎
SKX all day long... Better in hand and on wrist than in pictures and videos. A must have IMO.
So many of the issues decadent westerners have with the Amphibia are actually part of the waterproofing design and to avoid patent licenses.
Go back to the mid 20th C and the Swiss and Japanese are developing the dive watch. Patents include the gasket designs, the screw down back, the ratcheting unidirectional bezel. The USSR had very little foreign currency to spend so patent licenses were avoided, the brief was for the designers to come up with a diver from scratch, with proprietary water resisting and without triggering any existing patents. They did an excellent job, creating an affordable, idiot proof, easy to assemble design with arguably a more elegant caseback waterproofing system than that developed in Switzerland, as anyone who has had the nerve wracking experience of depth testing a diver, worrying that the gasket might have been pinched or damaged in reassembly and you cannot see if it has been.
- crown wobblyness and clutch system.is already discussed below
- bezel, the unidirectional clicking bezel was a patent held by Rolex, the designers of the Vostok d designed the bezel to hold its position using waterpressure. On the surface it feels loose and is easy to knock. Go down 5m and it works really really well.
- jumping second hand, this is deliberate and is a shock absorbing feature that allows the second hand to take a shock, declutch and lose a second rather than stop or damage the watch
- case back gasket. The two piece is ingenious. The gasket itself is large and on top of it sits the case back which is held in place by a ring tha screws into the case, this means that the back is pushed into place with the ring and there is no rotational torque on the gasket which can cause the pinch mentioned above.
This and the idiot proof crown.mean that non specialist watchmakers who had never seen a dive watch before, which was just about everyone in the USSR, could service the watch. This was an important consideration in a country as vast. So a batch of Amphibias could be selt to the far east and could be repaired over there.
The main problem with Vostoks is the problems that plagued the USSR and then Russia..the design itself is innovative and excellent, however the execution around materials and build quality is the issue..during Soviet times, in the problems any command economy has in workforce motivation and in Russian times, corruption.
Add to this steel shortages resulting in brass and chrome cases still being produced on some lines 80 years after the rest of the world ditched it as case options and you have at heart the issues.
None of these negate the design though or the historical importance of the watches. Also, dealing with Vostok Accumulation Disorder is a LOT cheaper than dealing with Seiko Accumulation Disorder!!!!
the vostok looks less well finished because it is an effective watch for pure divers (military "cahier des charges")and it's conception results of that.
1)the back case is like you said because it is made in 2 parts,it makes the gasket more durable,it doesn't have to be changed even after intervention on the watch and it is the secret of the ADAPTIVE pressure,the more there is water pressure,the more it resist.
2)the shape and thickness of the crystal are studied for the same pressure reason.
3)the crown is wobbly because there is a clutch system on it!!!!to make the crown disconnected and avoid transferring shocks to the movement!
My amfibia can hand wind...? And you have to pull out slightly as you turn the crown counterclockwise in the first position. And the quick date set is done by going back and forth between 1 and 8.
The more videos I watch from this guy, the more I realise he's more troll than watch guru, still it gets click on his site so must work for him
Concerning the Vostok, it's a heavy duty well made deep diving watch. Review something u know about instead of being unprepared!
You can hand wind an Amphibia, actually, it's more effective than the auto-wind
There’s a clutch on the Vostok. That’s why it didn’t move the hands for you. You were in the winding mode. You had engaged the clutch.
I can’t complain about my Vostok!
Gets
the job done!
1.There is Superluminova if you want to relume your Vostok.
2. The crown wobbiness is to protect the worst from impacts.
3. Friction bezel is bidirectional and tightens with water pressure.
4. Vostok is the official supplier of the Russian military and you can proudly wear it.
5. Vostok parts are cheap and you can fix it yourself.
The crown has a clutch so it’s not going to adjust the time unless you pull it out all the way and keep pulling on it as you’re turning it. It’s wobbly because they don’t want it to damage the stem if you bang it against something.
You have to admit the engineering behind the Vostok is much more interesting. It gets more water resistant the deeper you go.
Glad you showed the vostok. I juat learned about them and considering getting one just because it would be cool to have a rissian watch.
The hardlex on my SKX is scratched to the shithouse and back
You have to pull on the crown slightly to wind it, and this is because the crown is disengaged from the movement so that any shock to it doesnt send it into the movement
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I have both and love both. The Vostok can handwind, and actually you can fast set the day complication (not as fast as in the Seiko, but you can, moving back and forward the hands). The Seiko has a better design, in my humble opinion. Thanks for your great videos!
Up here in Canada I bought a Vostok Amphibia delivered to my door for 75 USD, an SKX would set me back 250 USD. BTW the crown is supposed to do that for shock resistance and it definitely hand winds. Love love love my Vostok, gets the most wrist time of all my watches.
Wait, what, no hand wind on the vostok? Takes a lot of rotations, but it can hand wind.
This video is adequate for the average consumer, who's concerned about the overall aesthetics and basic functionality of the watch (i agree the bezel and lume on the Seiko are vastly superior... seems like just a shame that even today Vostok hasn't managed to figure out a unidirectional bezel). However, you fail to mention why the vostok is so loved and has such a cult following. It's design is unique; it's method of water resistance is completely different to that of other watchmakers, and if it had been developed in Switzerland (or even Japan for that matter) it would be hailed as a groundbreaking design. Furthermore, this unique design makes servicing the watch much easier and cheaper than servicing other dive watches (no need to replace the O-ring each time the watch is opened, for example).
This video in fact displayed your ignorance of the key design features of a watch that you claim to have owned for many years. As a watch reviewer, you should know not only the superficial functions and aesthetics of your watch, but understand the design of it as well; this is especially true if it is a watch that you own and are familiar with. The disparaging comment about the wobbly crown, which yes is a bit concerning for first time users who don't expect it, should have been qualified with a statement about the crown's functionality and HOPEFULLY even include a brief history of the watch's design.
I hope the next time you review such a historic watch you will do your due diligence.
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Here's a good explanation of the vostok's wonderful design. For anybody who would like to understand a little more about this historic diver.
I agree I normally love this channel but this review felt somewhere between lazy and racist.
Are you insinuating that I’m perhaps racist because I have a less that stellar opinion of the Vostok? 😂
To whom am I being racist? The Russians?
Boy would my grandparents be disappointed in me... My Russian grandparents. 😂🤷🏻♂️
The bidirectional bezel will tighten up at depth, as the water pressure builds up, again a clever design feature...
Vostok fixed some issues. My new Scuba dude has far more resistance in the bezel, the date window is now beautifully framed and hand winding is a pleasure.
The crown I'm sure some have said why but the crown warbles to help with the shock of it getting hit and causing the workings to take shock
The Seiko SKX's are a really attractive choice for a dive watch, but it baffles me why Seiko doesn't bring them up to date a bit, An NH36 movement with winding and hacking can be had on ebay for about 30 bucks, and not much skill is required to swap out the 7S26, so it's a very common mod, but the difference in Seiko's manufacturing cost would be pennies: why not make that small change? I invested about $100 in upgrades to get an SKX007 with an NH36, ceramic bezel, and a domed sapphire crystal, a product Seiko should be offering.
The wobble crown is a safety feature unique to the Vostok. If you drop the watch while the crown is unscrewed you won't damage the stem or internal parts.
I'm wearing the Vostok Amphibia for like...8 yrs? Best watch ever, especially on low budget. Yeah, crown feels wobbly, but I got used to that :)
Once you understand how the clutch works its easy to wind or set the watch.
Under water pressure the bezel tightens up - beats the one direction click bezel which likes to click just past 12 and then I have to wind it around 359 degrees to get it to align again.
The wobbly crown is in lieu of protective lugs. You can give the crown a knock and because of the built in wobble the stem won’t break or bend. It’s actually a really clever design feature.
You can hand wind the vostok but it's a bit tricky.
Banjalukajemojgrad. Surprisingly smooth too!
Tricky ? It's easy enough to find the right strength needed, pulling on the crown, for it to either hand wind or set time. REally more an user issue than a mechanical one...
Hahaha,ma realno opasno govno je
it's easy once you learn how
@@ilijablazevski3357 The watch is a piece of shiiiiit guys,fuck it...
Love and have both! But I love the smaller, lighter Vostok on my wrist (I have the simple, round case).
Great review of two classic watches! The Seiko SKX is a very easy watch to recommend to people not interested in watches who just want a good quality affordable watch. And it is a genuine diver's watch. For not a lot of money you get a mechanical workhouse that will keep going for decades. The Vostok is a more quirky choice but it is also a genuine diver watch and although the mechanism isn't the most accurate it generally isn't too bad and is pretty much bomb proof. What the Vostok does offer is incredible heritage (including being used in space) and some genuinely very clever engineering. Vostok took a very different approach to designing a 20Bar pressure rated watch to Western companies and although the resulting design was born from necessity and limitations of Soviet manufacturing processes it was brilliant.
Both watches are worthy of respect and despite being very attainable for people of modest means they offer a great entry into the wonderful world of mechanical watches.
I have both and love both. You should maybe do a comparo with the Citizen pro diver also. Vostok engineering is unique and the result of designing from scratch for function over form. I have a 39mm version with white dial and it both looks and functions very well. Also really love my Citizen with titanium case - indestructible!
Thanks Jory enjoyed the vid. This one reminded me how much I still love my Vostok!
Nice vid . As always ^^ .. but the crown wobbles so the stem is protected so if you bang the watch with open crown, it wouldnt hurt the movement.. and to always get the stem to move the hands, just pull it out just a bit while turning.. :)
People who buy Vostok timepieces don’t buy them for the lume, fit or finish etc. they buy them because you get an in-house movement that are workhorses from a real watch company with history. For as low as $40.00 shipped...it’s hard to beat.
The date hack on a vostok amphibia is when you go from 9-12 and back repetitively.
I have both too and like them for different reasons. Wearing the Vostok makes me feel like a character out of a Bourne movie.
They are both old, kind of disposable, and fantastic.
the crown works fine on the vostok just tray you will learn it is so becouse it is like a clutch so dose no shok comes on
Nice to know I’m not the only one who wears a dive watch on a leather strap! I have a Citizen Fugo diver on leather.
Me too. I love to wear my divers on a leather strap.
Have both watches and love both but have to agree that the SKX would get the nod over the Vostok. However, the Vostok is a lot of fun and brings a smile to my face. Both are great for mods as well.
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The Vostok is awesome value for money Ive had one for 6 years and does everything it should . the Winder is specially built that way . its great in water and mine only loses 2 seconds a day .
The Vostok can be hand wound. The wobbly crown is a design feature to protect the stem from breaking. But Vostok is crude and Seiko is so much more refined.
I find it interesting how things made in certain countries give off a certain vibe. Japanese watches seem to have many of the qualities I acossiate with Japanese cars. The same goes for the Russian watch.
I vote for Vostok because of:
1. this crown is for reason
2. this cristal is for reason
3. it does hand-wind
4. its' history
5. the finishing has raised last year
6. the price is unprecedented for a real 200 m dive watch
7. customize your Vostok and get tones of pleasure
8. SKX007 doesn't exist anymore
I own many Vostoks and have 2 SKXs in the collection. My cushion cased teal dialled ScubaDude has the Baikal Bezel (aftermarket designed by the Spanish Vostok Forum) and sits on a blue Isofrane that cost considerably more than the watch. The SKX I wear is an early 1990s with many battle scars which adds to the charm
Both these watches are in regular use and are my go to for watersports, sailing and snorkelling. They both do these things very well indeed. They also get a lot of respect from watch people who know that they are both to watches designed for hard use and for a purpose.
My Tudor and Marine Master I would never wear when sailing or diving because I cant afford to replace them if I lose them....the Scuba Dude even with the Isofrane and Baikal bezel is £200.
The vostok is a hand winding, and it's normal the crown to do that wobbling.
And you set the time WHILE pulling the crown outside.
Plus, the vostok has a 300meters waterproof, and it has been tested individual up to 700meters.
"Sometimes...once in a while. Ope!!"-proceeds to set time.
Still pretty insane you can get that kind of watch for $60-$80.
Did you really ignore the SKX ISO Certification?
I think this a fair comparison as I regularly wear both in my rotation. Thanks Jory.
How long is 'a really long time'.
I think Orient is better choice for cheap auto
You mean affordable!
@@ΠαῦλοςΠαυλίδης-χ7θ yes, you're right. Affordable is better
@@astrazenica7783 Yes! Cheap means that it has cheap quality and cheap history. Affordable means great quality and history etc at low prices.
Noticeably Seiko bias. Vostok gets so much more attention and starts great conversations on it’s history. As a fan of horology it’s fun seeing people get curious who normally wouldn’t. Also, as a reviewer I would have expected one to know why the crown wobbles and inform the viewers. Just sayin. Might be less expensive but most watch nerds I know would rather rock the amphibia. Much cooler piece and from personal experience with a nice leather band is an excellent day party watch with jeans and a blazer because it has a lower profile because of it’s compression design. Another neat fact that a good reviewer could have pointed out. Again... just sayin.
Thank you! Vostok - is the best! And Seiko - the best too. ))
Respect from Russia! Thank you for learning of our legendary Vostok watch. Many interesting technical solutions are used in this watch (if you are interested, see my review in Russian). Sometimes the quality is not the best. But it mostly refers to the build quality. For example, before using in water, it is sometimes necessary to check that the back cover is fully screwed on. At this price, there is no other fully manufactured watch with its glorious history and original designs on the world market!
Although, in my opinion, this is not the best dial design.
Seiko price - is not so democratic. ))
The vostok crown is supposed to be wobbling to give a tolerance of play so the pin doesn't get bent
Extra protection for the movement of the Amphibia with that kind of crown, every aspect in Vostok Amphibia its awesome, but SKX its an icon.
The Crown is wobbly because it was designed that if it is not tighten properly and it hits something the crown stem will not damage the internals of the watch, the crown itself wobbles to take the impact. Cheers!
Have Scuba Dude & SKX013. Both are great watches but I feel better when I wear the Vostok!
2416B movement does in fact hand wind. Seiko 007 does not. The Vostok will run with a broken rotor. The Seiko will not. V/r