Marvel Vs DC: Could Iron Man Really Defeat Batman? | Agree To Disagree |
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- In this episode two comic book fans go head-to-head in a debate that's been raging for decades - who is superior, Marvel or DC? There's no doubt that the Marvel Cinematic Universe has been winning at the box office but are any of their heroes as iconic as DC's Superman or Batman? These are just two of the points debated in this passion filled episode. Let us know in the comments below who you think came out on top.
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Me and the boys:
top comment god
You deserve all the likes. This is major facts
Me and the gals*
@@dima-uz8rr *me and the boys
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The marvel guy just seems like he likes marvel but the dc guy seems like he’s studied comics for his entire life.
Yeah but I still really like them both
Well you have to get deeper in DC you can't just watch their cinematic universe and have a feel for it given that their cinematic universe is a mess
Heatea But almost every character has some wtf moments.
yeah if he did he would be on the marvel side haha
But fails to mention about Joker being afraid of carnage
"Just as an act of charity I'm gonna take joker off the table" that was brutal 🥶
The fact that the DC fan took Joker off the table shows how confident he was in Batman’s Rogue Gallery was just great.
Yeah, they're both, real good friends of mine, their knowledge is insane, this is merely just a taste of their knowledge.
@@Hals182 I failed to see knowledge anywhere in this video
What?
@@443MoneyTrees He took Joker out of the list of villains because he was confident that Batman’s Rogues Gallery was that good.
I wished they actually did a rogues off. Both Batman and Spider-Man have the most iconic rogues galleries of their respected universes.
This wasn’t fair. Marvel seemed like a casual fan but DC seemed like he went to college at DC university or something
On god wtf should’ve got a nerdier dude for dcs side
@@neurotoxicity4384 it's not anyone's fault most Marvel fans are just mcu fans sooo... This is pretty accurate 😂😂
@raixnyrxses tell him pleses !
Dc Is bosss, that's a fact, majority of Marvel characters are copies of DC, compared to that of DC
I mean if he lived in washington might as well.
Lol thats all dc fans lmaooo
Love how this gets more passionate than the flat earth
I think it's because they can actually see the others perspective and understand it
@@MrSpannners lmao true
Because this is actually serious shit right here
True xD
The scientist didn't want to straight offend and attack the flat earther, in a symbolic way I mean. He basically treated the flat earther like that special cousin you don't want to argue with
The DC fan seems like a genuine nerd who just enjoys comic books, whilst you can tell the other guy has probably watched all the MCU films and considers himself an expert.
You perfectly described the difference between DC fans and Marveltards. DC fans are actual comic book readers who even know more about Marvel universe than the Mickey Mouse slaves while majority of marvel fangirls are braindead mainstream casuals who only pathetically shill for Marvel because they watched one or two overhyped shitty marvel movies.
Yeah. Granted we can't go around denying that marvel readers are a thing, because they definitely are. But the DC very clearly knew at least a little bit about comics, probably not much, but he's read stuff. Marvel guy has just seen the film's, which is fine, but it's probably not the fairest idea to put a comic book fan up against a movie buff. Now it's clear neither of them actually read comics, but DC has at least read a few
@@88heiling you are not to bright, are you?
@@88heiling you seem hurt😂
@@88heiling lmfao bro, you just claimed every single DC fan has better knowledge of material than EVERY marvel fan? you are the worst kind fo consumer, if you really love comicas you love DC and Marvel. you are toxic as hell.
I’m a marvel fan but mad respect to the DC guy for the way he brought forward his arguments
DC heroes and villians are 100% better than marvel.
Bro respectfully , you put a Marvel fanboy who only watched the movies, against a DC comic book expert who really understood what he was talking about, kinda unfair ngl.
This needs more likes. That's literally what happened and people haven't realized it
ok, but him saying batman would beat god was ridiculous. One of the things about batman is how human he is and how prome to flaws he is. rogue gallery, and iconic character definitely dc. Stan lee isnt a fucking einstein but he was great, I feel like the marvel guy was stupid to not bring up the xmen though. Literaly allegory of diversity and discrimination. I'm an xmen fan btw, not the films
@@mrsynth2643 he did bring up X-men tho
@@mrsynth2643 batman literally killed a god once. He shot Darkseid with a bullet that was able to kill him
@@benswanney6693 fair point
The dude who is both fan of marvel and dc: **comes in**
*Grabs popcorn*
My opinions on Marvel and DC: Marvel movies: BARRABLE (I have watched all MCU movies, yes all 33.) DC(EU specifically) movies: Please commit no live DCEU. DC(AU): Great, THATS ONLY WORD TO DESCRIBE. Marvel comics: Good/OK! DC comics: BETTER THAN GREAT!
Me
@StartArt gaming
me too
@@lorriejohnson5649 true and in games they are both good. Series dc was better but now they both are ok.
“Spider-Man’s rogues gallery alone rivals Batman‘s rouges gallery.”
No just absolutely, not.
The reason Batman’s rogues gallery is so good is because the most iconic of his villains challenges an aspect of Batman‘s character.
Bane challenges strength
Poison ivy challenges lust
Riddler challenges intellect
Scarecrow challenges fear
And Joker of course is anarchy, witch directly challenges Batman’s main goal of justice.
Spider-Man’s rouge gallery is good but saying it rivals Batman’s is laughable.
Spot on!
Can’t agree more!!!
Green goblin=joker
Doc oc = riddler
Black cat =Poison ivy
Kraven=bane
Venom vs killer croc
The lizard vs scarecrow
I’m just sayin 🤷🏻♂️ Spider-Man has a lot more villains who would beat Batman’s
@@5432vt it’s about how good the villains are not who would win in a fight You twat
@@Batman1998- listen batboy u twat I said what I said u knobhead
As a DC fan this video made me very happy, this guy is great. Seems pretty true that most Marvel fans are just fans of the MCU whereas DC fans are fans of comic books. I enjoy Marvel too, but some of the fans make it really hard. It’s really wearing to see fans complain so hard over “wokeness” or whatever in their movies when that shit is straight from the comics is just the greatest irony they will never even comprehend.
Yup. Marvel fans are posers.
DC fans actually know the source material.
The dc dude looks like the typical comicbook store owner
He devoted his life to comics not silly little things like sex and family relationships and a job
He's identical to that guy from the Simpsons
@@Zedrart who?
@@sockfullofsoup3165 duh, comics for the win
@@maxw9833 Jeff Albertson
comic book guy
“Just to be generous I’ll take Joker off the table” 💀💀
DC won that round 100%
Holy shit yes, Batman has a much better rogue character roster. Marvel guy just watched the mcu films clearly.
WhoDarestheMAN gamer unfortunately so, though I grew up reading marvel comics as I was younger, I did find that as I got older I went for dc. Their characters tend to be darker and more human even though they are OP as hell!!!
@WhoDarestheMAN gamer I think the reason is that most of the marvel characters just don't have the level of complexity in them compared to most DC characters . DC gets more and more interesting over time but the opposite happens for marvel characters . But that's just what I think and in the end it all depends upon different opinions .
@WhoDarestheMAN gamer Not all characters are knock offs, each company copied each other but i agree that Marvel did it more.
@@darkseid856 I think people on both sides just got attached to their brand and suffer confirmation bias. " I think the reason is that most of the marvel characters just don't have the level of complexity in them compared to most DC characters . DC gets more and more interesting over time but the opposite happens for marvel characters . " I've literally heard that same argument from marvel die hards. Even were one or the other the case, writers usually write for every damn publisher. Damn near every writer thats written for DC has written for Marvel and vice versa.
As for the villains, The Dark Knight Trilogy gave more interesting villains in 3 movies than MCU in 23 movies.
Yep, Joker, Ra's Al Ghul and Bane, all legendary, unlike any Marvel villain
Another reason why DC is light years better than overrated Marvel.
Even as a marvel fan i strongly agree with that
Thanos was good
Thanos
As a DC fan, Batman being my favorite character. This made me proud. 👏
Marvel guy knew nothing.
Total casual.
Hey don't talk about him if he loves marvel then thats his opinion!
Same
He’s talking about marvel comics.
MCU fans:
Imma head out
tbh it feels like they mention the mcu and the dceu more than the comics
REEE EEEK it's nice to see a civilised comic fan.
They’re talking about the movies more to me. They even mentioned Jesse Eisenberg, which is a horrible representation of Luthor.
Mcu fans who also know the comics: imma head on in
REEE EEEK the thing is though that the majority if marvel fan boys have only seen movies and never read a single comic
This is the most civilized discussion between marvel and dc fans I’ve seen
Edit: can’t believe this is my life’s greatest achievement
Facts
we usually just go to war on each other
Think it's because they're mild fans at best
@@kelvindurm3768 clearly, they brought about iron man and batman. Any marvel fan knows that iron man only recently was popular and batman CANT beat anyone and say how stupid it is
RedMan Yh iron man only just got more popular but I beg you put respect on Mr Wayne’s name
9:45
The Marvel guy : You and me have the same level of knowledge.
Me : I don’t think so mate 😅
Batman had a whole contingency plan to defeat all the members of the Justice League if he ever had to. Batman is always prepared and could probably figure out a way to defeat anyone and everyone in the marvel universe.
Yet he got his back broken by a wrestler?
@@Wade_Fucking_Wilson if you read Prelude To Knightfall you would know that Bane was behind the scenes for many issues creating problems and issues for Batman. By the end of that arch Batman was mentally and physically exhausted and Bane knew that was the only way he could defeat Batman.
Women: men just talk about cars and sex
Men’s conversations: heated debates on who would win in superman vs goku
Goku easily... if not he could just merge with vegeta and then gogeta would easily fuck superman’s shit up but goku constantly goes above and beyond his limits so all superman would do is make him stronger, also ultra instinct? Superman has no chance
Aries he’d have to go ultra instinct though, super sayain wont do it for superman, especially if he’s pissed.
I actually meant hulk v superman and I couldn’t remember so I said goku and the hulk v superman argument is superman but he’d have to do it quickly, because if he didn’t hulk has unlimited potential and would eventually overpower superman
Aries typically goku gets his arse handed to him in the first round and if superman had a reason to end him, he could. It’s the goku formula of lose, learn from it, train, come back and pull some extra out the bag. Superman fully charged and pissed could probably take super saiyan* goku
Aries I genuinely think that without that chances to back off and learn superman’s methods and how to beat him, goku wouldn’t be able to without ultra instinct. Superman can get literally shot in the eye point blank with a bullet, he’s fully bullet proof. You’d have to do something spectacular to take him out without kryptonite, that or just fight him until he’s tired and like ~attempt~ to break his neck or something, it would require something like ultra instinct to get the job done
It’s fiction though, whoever would write that story could write it going either way haha
Aries if you’re levelling the playing field to basic level superman and goku, goku has no chance. He would have to go blue to even have a chance. And then if we’re getting to top levels of power like ultra instinct or blue. Dude superman 1million, goku is dust if they’re both allowed improvements
I never knew I’d get to see Post Malone and Michael B. Jordan discussing comic books.
FRISHR naaaaahhhh 😂😂😂😂
Haha omg why you had to say that
🤣🤣🤣
Literally what I thought when I saw the thumbnail
I would’ve said John boyega
Being a Dc and Marvel fan is so hard especially when a conversation like this happens
I love that the most heated argument on this show is about fictional characters
“People only know who tony stark is for 13 years” damn dis one got me
P DP except it’s not true iron man had a whole 90s animated show 🤷🏽♂️
@@alexgrey7972 ,Only true comic book fans knew this ,but it is true for casual fans of the MCU .You could say most people didn't even know who Iron Man was before his movie came out.
Only because of RDJ awesome acting
Alex Grey and it wasn’t very good. It was ok. Even as far back as the 90s people knew Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman before
Tbh growing up on the nineties, I only ever remember seeing X-men. The avengers really weren’t cool until the movies. Now everyone LOVES MARVEL EVERYTHING.
Marvel guy sounds like he only watches movie, while DC guy sounds like he has the entire DC encyclopedia
I’ve only watched the movies cuz I don’t read ✋🏼🙄
@@Spam_random bruh
@@Spam_random bruh
Lmaooooooo
I said it cuz remember when Lizzie said I don’t read Benedict LOL well I didn’t read the comics but I wanted to say that lol
@@Spam_random Pretty obvious
I would love a part 2 with these two.
If I was Marvel fan, I would be embarrassed by this guy representing Marvel in a debate. I’ll bet he possibly doesn’t know who great Steve Ditko was.
Actually no, These two are good friends of mine, are Scott and Michael, I know them both very well, Michael is a huge comic book expert, he truly knows his stuff, if you knew him, then you'd be completely blown away, by his knowledge, both are incredible, they've just painted him here weak, when in reality, he truly does know his stuff, Michael Ajih, Comic Connoisseur
I did not know Post Malone is a huge fan of DC Comics.
Probably
Lol
I thought he was post too in the thumbnail
Post Malone sounding like Chris Eubank
😅😅
The dude representing Marvel is only going off the movies, he ain’t reppin’ well.
Exactly
But he mentioned the comics at the beginning so not only off of the movies and he mentioned spider man villains that haven’t appeared in movies. So how can you say this?
@@truthful1686 muuuuum, the superhero universe stans are fIghting agAIn
BuffaloBoom I’m a marvel fan
@@truthful1686 bruv fuck off with ya pussy movies
DC audience 90% adults above 18 and marvel’s audience 95 % 9 year olds
“With prep time, Bruce Wayne can defeat God Himself.”
I mean…he’s canonically not wrong!
Exactly, Bats can do so easily.
With prep time of course.
4:22 As an act of charity I'll take Joker off the table.
*OOF*
Yeah, my guy knows what he’s talking about.
Next up:
Star Wars fan VS Star Wars fan
"talking about lore"
That'd be interesting, i would also like to see a Star Wars fan vs Star Trek fan video
Woosh
Sequel fan vs prequal fan vs original fan, triple threat match
@@Adam-to2no i would love to see that
@@Adam-to2no the sequel guy would be laughed out of the room lol. And the original guy would be talking about things the prequel guy wouldn't even know about.
This needs to have a sequel, I'd watch this for hours.
Also, add props like action figures in the room, and 2 more people each side, let's make it 3v3,
I wish the questions included "what are the worst heroes and worst villains in the opposing universe?"
"Most" Marvel fans wouldn't admit it but they didn't know jack shit about Marvel before 2006.
Everyone grew up watching DC cartoons and switched to Marvel movies. Atleast I admit it
Not the comic book fans, the casuals are who you mean. Due to how Marvel movies have become such a phenomenon in terms of global reach and impact, people mistake casuals for comic book fans the same way casuals exist in every facet of popular culture. Someone may only watch Dragon Ball but not be a fan of anime or someone may like playing football but not actual be a fan of watching it or keeping up to date with transfer news, injuries and the way clubs are run. You're forgetting the most popular superhero movies before 2006 were Marvel characters. Ironically, around 2006 many people's perception of DC characters changed due to the Christopher Nolan films while the Sam Raimi films, Xmen trilogy, Spider-Man animated series, Fantastic Four movies and Ultimate Spider-Man comics would've brought in many young fans before 2006.
@@demonichanzo1673 look the biggest superheros before MCU were Batman Superman and Spider-Man, but now it's more in the lines of Ironman and black Panther. I'm saying the household names changed over the decade and most of the Marvel fans grew up watching dc
@@Getroy biggest and trendiest are two separate things bro. The list of household names has only increased but the big 3 of Spidey, Batman and Superman are still at the top with Superman's recent movie appearances keeping him from remaining one of the trendiest. The original comment seemed so unnecessary as a blanket statement
Can't relate I grew up with marvel
I watched a lot of marvel cartoons, more than DCs.
Here I am, a comic book fan, laughing at these guys using movies as a measure stick to assess true character potential 😂😂😂
The movies grossly nerft the characters
@@massabigballz yes. Thank goodness things are changing with WandaVision
THANK YOU! Also I'm sick of hearing every batman fan (some of my friends included) saying if batman had prep time he could beat...
WE COULD ALL BEAT ANYONE WITH ENOUGH PREP TIME!
They were probably told to only talk about films by ladbible, because that's what the general population know about aswell
Yeah its really weird, why not talk about comics, especially given that Batmans prep time isn't too impressive in the movies.
I loved this, no hatred just two guys who love comics and debated calmly 👍🏽
I wish this video was an hour long 😭
Bruh it's like two kids in school arguing who's power rangers is stronger
Money's on Tommy Oliver
What about jason...Nah it's Tommy.
It’s always the Red one of course.
Green Ranger Tommy Oliver
Its obvious
The green
I love he didn’t even mentioned jared leto when naming actors who played joker 😂
Elias Garrigan bc he was so cheeks he basically doesn’t count
What was wrong with him?
Elias Garrigan no shit
@Toasty boi... Like what?
@Toasty boi... It seems you don't know what you're talking about. You just said.. "Make him like an Original but Different??
WHAT IN THE FUXK DOES THAT MEAN??
Yo Ladbible big up u this series is a banger this summer is dead ngl
This is the thing Marvel fans need to learn, you don’t give BATMAN a second chance, if you fight him, you have to hope he doesn’t know anything about you, and you kill him the first time or “go for the head”
If you fail to do so he will have time to figure out; what you are, your strengths, your weaknesses, and most importantly, how to beat you
Nothing better than watching two British guys argue over comics while drinking tea.
Isn't that coke?
Ah yes, tea in a glass. Like the comment above said, it’s most likely coke
@@DrSoapstealsmemes thank you.
Greedo Np Greedo, try not to get shot again mate
@@DrSoapstealsmemes XD alright mate.
When he said i'll take Joker to be generous literally destroyed that question...
Severus Snape Please don’t tell me that’s the only joker you’ve seen. Arkham games, comics, animated movies, Joaquin phoenix joker.
@@Mrbunss ooooohhh the arkham games joker is top notch... ( We don't have to talk about arkham asylum final boss battle tho). Legit loved this version more in arkham city
@スパイダーマン not a full on villain tho so
@スパイダーマン biggest joke
Nlmb Jmoney Eh i mean if he likes him better than let him be lol Us Joker fans will never except anything other than the clown prince of crime.
I admire their passion. It's good to see people having something they feel passionate about. I want to be embarrassed that they are adults arguing about comic book characters but their commitment to the subject is just so addictive.
Well what are people ding in the comments section of this video??? Are you embarrassed to be here as well???
@@wolfgang7812 if you read my original comment. I never said I was embarrassed
I can't imagine they were dead serious about it though. One of those light-hearted subjects that you can get extremely passionate about, but always know to keep it light because ultimately, it's pointless in the grand scheme of things.
I support both sides, this was just amazing and we need it again
Best written Marvel hero: Spider-Man
Best written DC hero: Batman
And superman he set the tone for comics to even start lol
Yup true but don’t forgot image spawn that is such an underrated hero
Facts
Thanks nugget
og chaos actually the human torch was literally made 3 months after Superman so unless the creators just some how wrote a whole arch in 3 months I pretty sure they both set the tone
Funny how they call Stan Lee a genius without ever mentioning Jack Kirby. Smh.
Jeremiah Derby Yeah shows how much Jack has fallen into obscurity. Stan was only genius when it came to marketing and promoting though. He kind of exploited people like Kirby and Ditko
So true and it has always annoys me.Without Jack help Stan wouldn't have been recognised as how he is today.
Yea jack Kirby is like the most underrated person in possibly the whole world.
They ain't real fans
Jeremiah Derby Jus’ asking as a fan but is there proof that Stan didn’t put in as much work as people claim?
You guys need to redo this shit would be amazing
DC guy should get extra points for the Stephen Chow Love on Delivery hoodie. Loved that movie back in the 90's.
"Just to be generous; as an act of charity, I'm going to take Joker off the table!" 😂 More gold
And the way he threatened to bring him back🤣🤣🤣
He could've brought up The Green Goblin. He is not renown in the cinematic universe but in the comic books he was his greatest most evil/vicious nemesis ever.
He also slept with gwen which marvel comic fuck that up I hate that man
Thanos. Hands-down the BEST villain. He brought so much depth with him to the movies and so much character that some could argue that he deserved to win in Infinity War. If you think about it, he was behind everything leading up to the main fight. He's basically like the Lex Luthor of Marvel (because he was always three steps ahead), but better in basically every way.
@@MrMR-sk8jm Yes but Thanos has only been brought into the public eye recently... Joker has always been in the public eye, thus history makes The concept of the Joker far superior than that of Thanos
Marvel: nah man we got better rogues gallery
Dc: dont make me bring joker back up here.
Only people know is batman and superman out of DC the other heroes aren't even as iconic because they don't have huge plot armor
@@Artistofprocedure ye I like DC but I dont know anyone I only know batman superman Joker(who is so overrated) rest of justice league and that's it whereas marvel I know more characters
@@Artistofprocedure the flash is pretty well known. God forbid the cw.
Just ThatGuy you only know more marvel characters because the movies have been getting pumped out constantly. Characters like Falcon, Black Panther, Loki (despite his brother being super iconic), Dr. Strange, and Vision were all unknown to non comic book fans until the movies just like Green Arrow and Black Canary from DC
The most iconic characters from both in a super short list. DC: Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Joker, Flash, Green Lantern. Marvel: Ironman, Spider-Man, Captain America, Hulk, Wolverine, Thor. Most of the other characters are unknown or WERE unknown to non comic nerds til the giant wave of movies.
I need to drink with both of these guys. I’m a big Marvel DC fan and both make very valid points. I want to be the middle man here with these two. Respect.
I wanna see these dudes sit down again!
4:24 DC guy :"Just for an act of charity. I'm gonna take Joker off the table".
Marvel guy: Starts laughing like the Joker.
AA K Mark hammil is still the best joker in my opinion. Heath was the best live action joker but Mark is the best
@AA KI don't think Joker is more iconic than Batman. You even have him without Batman.
@@mr.dccomics9018 Dum dum wants some gum gum ?
you can't have batman without the joker BUT you can have the joker without the batman
@@TheZProject115 bruh, you stupid. Go read a Marvel book or something.
@@mr.dccomics9018 No whats stupid is the fact that you said and i quote "I don't think Joker is more iconic than Batman. You even have him without Batman" the "You even have him without Batman" goes to show that you don't need Batman to have the Joker
also PLEASE LEARN PROPER ENGLISH before calling someone stupid over the internet!
It's you're stupid not you stupid...
Unfair advantage! The dc guy owns a comic book shop on the Simpsons!
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
I love how even tho they disagree they can come together
“Most marvel villains are just dark versions of the hero”
Zod, Bizarro, Cyborg Superman, Reverse Flash, Zoom, Savitar, Godspeed, Black Flash, Sinestro, Parallax, Amon Sur, Black Adam, Deathstorm, Ultra Man, Owl Man, Johnny Quick, Atomica, Power ring, Superwoman
Yea but those aren't their main bad guys are they
@@bunnybones1361 I never said they were. point is they are all evil versions of the heroes they face
The marvel guy seems like he’s only seen the movies
Mark Flood or maybe they figure thats what the viewers would relate to? I was surprised they really only mentioned movies
He referenced the comics and the films both.
@@Shmyrk it's because he doesn't look like a fucking nerd. No one would say eminem read comic just by looking at him
@@tomgl6684 one argument, did you see the rest of the debate lad
he makes a lot of comic references though
"Stan Lee created all these characters by himself" *Stares in Jack Kirby*
Don't forget Steve Ditko.
That why jack Kirby left marvel it's because Stan Lee just stole all the credit
He did not create Thor.
Ditko made Dr Strange and co created Spiderman. Kirby made Silver surfer and co created a lot with Stan lee.
I feel like more ppl should know about this
The one above all was literally portrayed as Kirby, he is the actual father of marvel, Stan Lee just became the face
Good banter by these 2 guys.👍👍😆😆😆
This is awesome, but as a Yank i definitely needed the closed captions :)
Marvel guy: "God himself????"
DC guy: "God himself!!!!!!"
hilarious
Kevin Hill he literally have no idea that Batman has fought Gods in comic. Just as I expected, he's just a guy who watch movies but never reads comic.
@@crimsoncomet3756 "fought gods" such as who besides darkseid?
@@ariyansingh4914 Anti-Monitor
@@ariyansingh4914 Wonder Woman. Hercules.
@@johnlong8952 shes a demi-God but I guess it still counts
As DC fan, I am just very proud that DC was well represented. Dude knows what he's talking.
@ImpishDCrealm Right....no no they're not
@@ericstorm6582 ngl most people only like marvel cuz of the mcu, they actually dont understand the content marvel is lol
@@nikolaidelmundo3610 do you have data to back your claim? marvel because of the mcu has just expanded so here are more casuals compared to dc
Marvel has the safest story. Marvel also has one of the flattest characters ever and stupidest villains. *CAPTAIn MaRvEL* sucks ass, end game didn't make any sense.
@@thanos7459 I'm just saying that marvel has more fans becuz of how the movies where cooperated with, and at this point many people enjoy those types of movies which makes them say that they are "Marvel fans". No hate against marvel tho, I'm simply saying that DC has an amazing storyline, but marvel has been getting more love becuz of the movies.
its the MCU fans who knew Tony like 12-13 yrs ago. comic fans knew him before. personally I knew Tony before a few years back. but what made me love the character was the Civil War. the whole civil war saga is actually one of my favorites tbh.. the whole story ranging in different books. maybe I have a thing for when heroes fight amongst themselves
I love how the beginning of the video is the DC guy talking about Batman and prep time
The most friendly heated argument.
I wish this was how Marvel vs DC debates actually were. Whenever it’s between commenters on YT almost always toxic
Akil Brazier true I am sad to say I have been at one of those heated debates
fairy sasuhina130392 Same man lol it is not as fun as it looks 😂
Akil Brazier I know. I’ve been called a douche dc fan which in some cases would be funny and make me laugh. But I literally cried, I was just defending some of a marvel fan’s point and it wasn’t a marvel fan but a fellow DC fan that called me douche and a stupid person for not knowing anything. Which is like “Bro I thought you were suppose to have my back”
"Batman would just kidnap pepper potts"
This made me think of Tony going to try and kidnap Alfred in order to one up Bruce and I can't see that working out well for him.
But Tony doesen't know batman's identity tho right? Iron man revealed his identity
@@user-lt6kq2ej2b Yeah that's an aspect of it too.
Lmao if Alfred gets kidnapped Tony Stark instantly loses
@WL - 07WS 768066 Camilla Road Sr PS Batman also has advanced technology built into his suit, he likely has something that either scrambles his appearance or you wouldnt be able to see through. He was able to build a suit that superman couldnt see him in.
@@bradycharles9571 I agree that batman has a really good tech ..but still Ironman has the best
Love the passion
That's osmosis into intersocial society. Beautiful stuff
The whole "with prep time Bruce wayne can take out god himself" sounds like an overstatement but batman has beaten multiple gods
Nah He hasn't name One.
@@asandax6 Ares, Trigon, Orion. If you count Darkseid as a god there are others as well
@@Wolf-lb8dm thank you😂 like this is batman of course he got some gods under his belt to
@@asandax6 what a hater bro. Next your gonna try and say Naruto could beat Mugen at a fight
@@asandax6 why you hate Batman so much 😂
God can give him back his parents, rendering Bruce Bat-less.
@Jon Doe What!! Bruce Wayne would actively try and prevent the restoration of his parents?
@Jon Doe That would seem to be rather egotistical.
@Urban Student Prepper I recall one story in which Batman was given the opportunity to save his parents. This however resulted in an alternate reality in which the encounter had such an impact on the young Bruce Wayne that he still became Batman though not out of tragedy but inspiration for the figure who had appeared to save him and his parents.
@Urban Student Prepper I guess so if you like characters who exhibit terrorist-like tendencies. Whilst I appreciate Batman he was never a particular favourite as I prefer more noble and heroic characters so for me the top honour belongs to Captain America.
@Urban Student Prepper I have been a Cap fan since I read tales about him arriving like a beacon of hope to beleaguered allied troops on the battlefield or to people suffering under Nazi tyranny (such as his one time landlady Anna Kapplebaum whom he saved from the holocaust). He inspired me in ways that Batman never did such as my interest WW2 history and that he was the hero I felt the world needed against the Nazis who were real life villains that deserved taking down. More so than any rogues gallery of fictional villains like the Joker or Lex Luthor.
I'd say both heroes are fairly evenly matched on physical attributes and fighting skils. Batman has been cited as someone who is a master strategist and can come up with a plan to take anyone down if he is given time to prepare. Cap on the other hand is brilliant tactician who is able to quickly adapt to new situations and act accordingly. These different aspects can be seen in how in Batman v Superman Bruce had to beef up his training regimen, use an armoured batsuit and prepare a multitude of weapons to confront Superman. Whereas in the Avengers Cap is a man decades out of time who is thrust into a world he doesn't fully understand to face an alien invasion. He quickly assesses the best way to deploy his teamates to maximise their effectiveness and even manages to inspire the cops to follow his advice on how to manage the civilians. Cap is essentially Alexander the great a military leader who never lost a battle whilst Batman is Sherlock Holmes whose keen intellect can penetrate the most confounding mysteries. The former would be the one best on the battlefield the latter would be best to solve a riddle such as who killed Kennedy.
That said, I did enjoy the graphic novel in which Cap and Bucky teamed up with Batman and Robin in a wartime adventure against a Red Skull/Joker alliance and am looking forward to the upcoming Batman movie starring Robert Pattinson.
This was very enjoyable to watch
3:36 "Batman will kidnap Pepper"... Mic drop. 😲
The DC guy has the best arguments. You could see that he really knows his sht.
Yeah kind of. But Batman can't take out God himself with any amount of prep time . God in the DC universe is The Presence. Too op
He has facts but he’s biased. Batman rouge gallery isn’t good
I don’t understand why they brought up the movies so much...? If I were to have a comic discussion with someone I’d bring up comics. Movies wouldn’t even be a subject.
Especially the first argument that dc is more iconic tha marvel.
Exactly the marvel guy just knows the movies and the odd fact he’s googled, he mentioned that magneto is the best marvel villain when he could have mentioned Galacticus or some other cosmic level bad guys
“Why can’t you just make good movies?” Sounds like a plan to me
Just000Jay2000 imo opinion the new dc movies are good but I am biased because I prefer the comics
I mean the dark knight trilogy was amazing
I don’t really mind where a movie is from, if i like it, then i like it. Easy as that
He means you don’t need a 10 year arc to be successful
5:52 the movies' didn't thou that was savage
Any fans know best debate videos to watch on the topic of Marvel V DC as a whole not just certain character's up against each other ?
I'm more of a Marvel guy than DC, but the guy arguing for DC did a whole lot better, I think.
Jaime Aparicio especially recently it feels like DC fans are the comic fans and are super passionate while marvel fans often are just movie fans
Jarek Kolinski its because the way he looks isn’t it he literally mentioned characters outside of the mcu
And Jason Todd would sneak out to hang out with punisher
Jarek Kolinski this is such a stupid argument. While I agree I see more people talking about the mcu than marvel comics, marvel comic fans still rule the world
WhoDarestheMAN gamer that’s ironic when flashpoint is one of dc iconic comic series and widely known and most people say it’s for casuals xD
Without prep time, Batman will still find a way to make prep time.
Edit - thanks for the likes ❤️
Wow! that made no sense...
@@animetalesseries wow, not to batman 😎
@@beetea2886 still made 0 sense, fanboy
@@animetalesseries it's like batman can make 10 senses out of 0 sense
@@beetea2886 Why? Because I’m Batman
Batman rogue gallery does beat spidermans hands down. I could think of so many rn like Bane, Mister Freeze, Great White Shark, Ra's Al Ghul, Hugo Strange, Deathstroke, Scarface and Ventriloquist, The Twins Tweedle dee and tweedle dum, Humpty Dumpty, Mad Hatter and so many more aha. I love marvel too but batman and the dark theme is my favorite.
7:06 WOW! I did not saw this coming... I would've gone with agree on this one
DC guy is comic book guy from the Simpsons becoming reality...
Best comparison ever
Yeah, but he's also right :D
Can't get more iconic than Superman and Batman comes in as a close second.
And Batman would beat Iron Man if he had the time to prepare and find out his opponent's weaknesses.
Batman would definitely play the psychological angle and lure Stark into a trap.
And DC villains are generally more layered than Marvel's.
@@barbarusbloodshed6347 If we were to continue the discussion...
Yeah, DC has the more iconic characters but that is also my main issue. Superman and batman also felt untouchable to me. Superman could do literally anything and batman could indeed kill god if prep time (aka the writers) demanded him to. By times it feels like nothing is really at stake whatsoever...
jeroen1989 my feelings exactly. Comics have no tension. Writers can make the character do anything they want,because there's no consistency. And even when they do something bold and like kill a hero or a villain,they only bring them back afterwards with lame excuses. Most superhero comics are total trash
@@bernardocarneiro1982 indeed, I like my comic book characters flawed, conflicted or relatable... To me, marvel had more of those.Think of Legion (though immensely powerful), punisher, several X-men characters and even thor. Hell even villains as dr. Doom are layered and various tones of grey instead of straight op evil.
I’m a dc fan but I have to admit the marvel fan didn’t represent marvel well
Back again yes I switched sides. x-men story and concept alone is better than most of what DC has ever put out
Yeah i like marvel and dc and this guy for Marvel literally sounds stupid
MusicEatsTheKids to be fair tho, marvel has only gotten so much publicity due to recent movies you know. If you go back before all these avengers series DC would easily top them just because Spider-Man alone isn’t enough to take on the popularity and recognition of Batman, and Superman
He funny doe
Ironman has been around since 63
X-men, massively popular comics, TV series, films. The end.
One thing I never hear people argue about, in regard to villains in DC versus Marvel, while they're both equally thoughtful in their development, one thing is never addressed: Marvel villains tend to believe they're the protagonist, and there is a good deal more gray morality involved.
While this is not written in stone, with characters like Mr. Freeze having a good - if selfish - intent behind their pursuits, Marvel villains tend to see themselves as doing what is necessary - even if it could be considered evil - to do a greater good.
Think not? The pursuit of the Anti-Life Equation, for instance, is more about domination than about what's best for the universe or multiverse as a whole. While Thanos' goals in the comic book were remarkably different than the cinematic version - impressing Lady Death by inflicting death in the comics to court her, versus wiping out half of all life to preserve the other half - and the finite resources they have at their avail - it shows that Marvel has never been afraid to alter key motivations to make a villain more compelling.
Joker, the one that's seen as so iconic, only wishes to feed chaos and nurture his own desire for amusement. Riddler wants to selfishly test his mental mettle against the world's greatest detective. Lex Luthor legitimately sees Superman as a threat, but ultimately is also about domination and control of the world around him, subverting will rather than altering the landscape to benefit Mankind.
This is a limitation of many of the DC villains and, while momentary motivations may take precedence in any given moment on a microcosmic level, they tend to be less flexible, and more obviously evil even under more rigorous examination.
I made mention of the cinematic Thanos' motivations for just this reason: the original motivation he had doesn't hold up as fantastic storytelling, especially as a retrospective, and while the war for the Infinity Gems is cool to the mind of a child, it seems much more empty and hollow when you look back on it with older, wiser eyes. Some might disagree in this regard, but I believe the rewriting of Thanos' motivations in the cinematic version are far superior when it comes to storytelling, and creating a more compelling, more believable character.
I think this is something that's important to consider when comparing the quality of villains in both universes. Almost every DC villain either wants chaos, domination, subjugation, or control. Marvel villains have a tendency to be trying to create a better world, but the method and means by which they intend to do it are morally gray or black.
Love how most people who claim to know marvel have only watched the movies (not the ones before the MCU) but haven’t even read or heard about any of the comics. As someone who is in the middle DC fans are more die hard/iconic whereas 85+% of marvel fans come from the movies
Random q..Ive watched most marvel movies and am thinking of starting comics.. apart from Shazam and batman, I haven't watched much DC.. idk if I should read marvel comics or DC ones? Could U recommend some for me ..
-of all the heroes I like Spiderman and batman but am open to any other interesting ones!
That's because Marvel has better movies while DC fumbles sometimes in films which is why most people go to their comics.
You be honest that guy is not a marvel fan he's a MCU fanboy
IKR, there’s nothing really wrong with loving it bc of the cinematic experience, but they should know u never come for comic book readers when it comes to debates like this, comic book readers are the good ones, movie watchers are the help
Both are fanboys. You are one too if you failed to notice your fellow fanboy.
That's like saying he's not a Harry potter fan because he only likes the movies.
@@nohl__9394 But if you only watch the movies, you literally have no clue about the comic characters. For example, if you watch the MCU only and have no idea about the comics, you would not know that Thanos would have destroyed EVERYONE in IW and Endgame. Like, not even a close fight. The only one that would be on his level is Strange from the movies.
Heck, some of the characters from the MCU can destroy planets and stars in the comics.
Heck, in the comics, Reed Richards mind was literally used to mapout the new Marvel Multiverse. His son literally created several universes. Black Panther can literally outprep literally almost all fictional characters.
Ýou want to talk about who would win in a fight between two characters from comics, you can't have someone knowing only the MCU.
I follow this guy, he likes DC too, he's not a marvel loyalist
How does the Marvel guy not talk about Spiderman during the "iconic" section? Dafaq?
SpiderMan would have been a great counter, but I still think DC has the lion share of iconic characters...
I mean Spidey is the only Marvel character that actually matches Sup’s and Batman’s popularity. However, in that case, Spidey is just outnumbered.
@@cevest_blirobo7308 yeah and I would still put superman and batman above him
@Kcuf Jake Paul:
You might be right about that...as corny as this sounds, I’d credit Batman’s initial iconic success to Adam West.
Cevest_Blirobo that was the case 12 years ago. Marvel movies has made marvel so popular, I wouldn’t be surprised if iron man is iconic. Back in the comic book golden age iron man was very unpopular. Movies has saved marvel, marvel is now more popular than dc and that’s the sad truth. The comic book industry has become so irrelevant that it might shut down, marvel and dc anyway.
Great video
I want a part 2
Also war won't come with prep time
"Batmans not a scientist"
Homer Simpson will disagree.
So would his PhDs
Homer doesn't even believe Batman is Bruce Wayne.
@@jeffersentertainment Batman in comics went to Yale and got a law degree.....not a scientist
What has Batman invented?
@@JohnSmith-sy6zm all of his gadgets, vehicles, boats, planes, bat cave, suit etc......was that a real question
I hate when people say “Batman with prep time” he’s always prepared
Craig O neill I feel like IronMan with prep time can also beat anybody 🤷♂️ Heck even Doctor Strange
Emilio Espinoza maybe
@@NVS_Snake he's dead
Luffy Ichigo Ok. Hes only dead in the movie for the MCU. His character is still known. 😐 and who cares that doesnt change anything. You know how many times Superman died?
@@NVS_Snake Facts
I'm not into comics and I don't know anything about what they're saying but I love these guys chatting
thoughts at 4:06 "no matter what this is a good convo and theyre both taking it very seriously while respecting each others passion for the opposing side."
“Michael Fassbender did him justice!”
“Those movies didn’t though..”
**silence**
that had me gone bruh
Time stamp
natcan17 just watch the bloody video m8
when
@@masterofdragons82 5:51
"Who's more iconic than Superman?"
Marvel: "snowflake and safespace."
Me: "'I'm out."
Spiderman is the most iconic superhero not spiderman and thats a fact
@@MrJfonso777 Superman is literally the first superhero
@@Vote4Vonster Well not really, characters like Mandrake the Magician existed before and were quite popular in their time
@@ParagonGoetia yes but superman started the entire superhero genre.
@@KingAgniKai More like started the company that has lasted the most so I get where the argument comes from.
Then again personally like mumen rider from OPM, spidey I feel has all the attributes while being an underdog. You know, somewhat as if Clark Kent had become a vigilante.
lol all the marvel fanboys in the comments saying its UNfAir this dude literally represents the majority of your fanbase 💀
True. DC didn't even seem like he knew much about comics, but he just had better arguments
3:48 bro joker alone eclipses every marvel villain , this guy!🤣
Nah