Crimewatch UK June 1993
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- Nick Ross and Sue Cook present. Cases include the murder of Bulic Forsythe in Lambeth, London, A robbery in a house in Five Oaks near Horsham in Sussex A robbery on a Morrisons supermarket in Halifax and the murder of Carol Clark in Bristol.
What a sad indictment on what this country has become when a man cannot order tea and scones at half 8 in the evening without arousing suspicion. For shame.
😂😂
Cream first
I came here specially to see if anyone else said that lol.
Described as 5 foot 7 but actor looks around 6 foot.
sexist woman
I agree that Bulic Forsythe's murder was almost certainly committed at the behest of those in the corridors of power. This happened in a more naive age, where anybody who did not believe that those in power had the best interests of the citizens at heart was dismissed as a paranoid loon. The flagrant disregard for life - i.e. attempting to blow up the entire block of flats, tells me this was carried out by persons who were certain there was zero chance of ever being brought to justice, hence collateral damage was no barrier to getting the job done properly.
The fact Nick mentions some papers were missing leads me to believe BF had compiled a dossier regarding the child abuse accusations and was extremely close to blowing the whistle - those papers were then stolen when he was killed.
There are any number of unsolved Crimewatch murders where the evidence doesn't point to any motive or suspect, which makes it almost impossible to crack the case but I truly believe the only reason this murder remains unsolved is because all the evidence leads to some real "Grassy Knoll" stuff.
ooh
i like that
"A naive age, where if you didnt believe the powers that be's narrative you would be classed as a lunatic" thats so true totescrote. Glad times have changed.
The same was mentioned in the Jill Dando murder. Allegedly she was about to expose the Savile/sexual abuse scandals at the BBC
The recent independent inquiry into historic child sex abuse (IICSA - the report is on their website) looked into Lambeth council and what was going on. It seems that a criminal network had embedded themselves in the council, which much of it in the housing department where Bulic worked.
Apart from rampant child sex abuse and the exchange of pornography between staff, it seems they were engaged in industrial scale fraud and corruption at the council. Senior staff who were brought in to investigate the fraud had their homes and cars targeted, threats were made, and one found that his office was bugged. One female member of staff was raped on council property, and it was widely reported that council premises were being used to film extreme pornography. One man who was convicted for child abuse, Leslie Paul, was a former policeman and would regularly show up in uniform to intimidate the kids. He would regularly take kids into Soho for child abuse and to make more films. It is believed that he was extensively involved in the production and distribution of that material, and had close links to the staff in the housing department. His own criminal enterprise.
Another staff member who was convicted, Michael John Carroll, showed up some years later with a pub near to the care homes in Wales where massive child abuse was taking place. He had a lowly job at Lambeth, so it was very unclear where the money had come from to buy the pub. It's believed that he may have been allowing the pub to be used for kids from the Welsh care homes to be taken to and abused. Unbelievably, he applied to foster kids from Lambeth council. Lambeth only found out about his previous convictions, which he hadn't declared to them, when Croydon council told them. Unbelievably, they didn't sack him until much later.
The guy who plays Bulic Forsythe is William Vanderpuye, who is now in Apple Tree House, a Cbeebies programme. He wrote it and plays one of the main roles. My little girl watches it. When I first saw it, I thought: "It's the bloke who played Bulic Forsythe in that Crimewatch reconstruction!"
So it is! Cracking reaction!
He was also in The Firm 1989 with Gary Oldman.
@@dazauto1400 And an episode of one foot in the grave
@@lovefive5733 selling bendy dinosaurs
@@midlandfox2954 That's correct 👌
Vividly remember watching this one with mum, dad and sis (I was 16 at the time). During the Bulic Forsyth reconstruction my dad turned to us, in his natural cockney style and said “Lambeth Council? They’re well dodgy... Something funny about that one...”. At the time naive 16-year old me thought he was just being his usual anti-authority self, looking back with what we know now he was, of course, bang on the money.
Bang on something funny
Diff time then
@@scoot8534 Labour MP John Mann fears the deaths of the two council workers could be linked to a Westminster-based paedophile gang involving highly-influential politicians.
One of the men, social services manager Bulic Forsythe, was killed three days after telling a colleague he planned to “spill the beans” about the abuse scandal. (correct)
Mr Mann did not name the second whistleblower but he is former caretaker who claimed he had taped evidence of depraved parties.
Last week, Scotland Yard confirmed officers are investigating allegations that three young boys were murdered by a VIP child sex gang.
“Bulic Forsythe had significant information in relation to child abuse,” Mr Mann said.
“He went to the police at the time and got nowhere. What I want to see is both those suspicious deaths reinvestigated.”
An assassin burst into Mr Forsythe’s home in Clapham, south London, in February 1993 and smashed his skull with a heavy weapon.
The killer set the flat alight before escaping. BBC Crimewatch reported how a neighbour spotted “three official looking men” carrying files from the address the day before the murder.
In the months before, Mr Forysthe told colleagues at Lambeth Council he was about to expose child sex abuse on council premises.
If Government are set on doing this then it can be achieved. But you can’t help thinking that they are not intent on getting this right.
Simon Danczuk, Labour MP for Rochdale
He believed he had evidence properties were being used to make pornographic films. An internal council report later detailed allegations of rape and sexual assault. It implicated senior Lambeth officers as well as politicians and police.
Mr Forsythe’s widow Dawn, who was pregnant when her husband was killed, said of her husband’s death: “I think someone wanted to shut him up.”
Mr Mann, MP for Bassetlaw, has told police how he believes there were five paedophile gangs operating at the heart of Westminster.
He has handed detectives a dossier of 22 politicians including 13 former ministers.
The list includes 14 Tories, five from Labour and three from other parties. Three of them were “highly influential.”
“What the police are doing now is what should have taken place a long time ago,” said Mr Mann.
Last week, Scotland Yard confirmed officers are probing three alleged murders of young boys linked to a VIP paedophile ring.
The claims were made by a sex abuse victim known as Nick who has told police how he witnessed a Conservative MP strangling a 12-year-old boy at a sex party in the 1980s.
Another victim was allegedly killed in front of a cabinet minister and the third, aged 10, was mowed down in a deliberate hit-and-run.
Inquiries are continuing to identify the victims. No-one has yet come forward to corroborate Nick’s testimony.
Facts! John cook
The recent Inquiry in historic child sexual exploitation (IICSA - the report is on their website) looked into what was happening at Lambeth care Homes. They uncovered industrial scale child abuse which had been going on since at least the 1950s. The council appeared to have been infiltrated by a wider crime network, which not only was involved in the sexual abuse of children and production of extreme pornographic videos on council property, but which was also involved in large scale fraud, defrauding the council. The problems seem to have centred around the housing department where Bulic worked. One female employee was raped on council property and senior members of staff who were investigating the fraud were targeted at home. Their property attacked, homes broken into, threats made, and at least one of them found that his offices had been bugged. One of the men abusing the kids, Leslie Paul, was a former policeman, who was also known to have heavy connections in Soho and would regularly take kids from the care homes there for nefarious purposes.
Bullic reconstruction clearly had an agenda behind it. Quite disgusting how they painted the picture that this guy was somehow difficult and obnoxious to work with. Implying that although his other half was heavily pregnant in the States, he was a engaging in homosexual activities in the UK. And what about his colleagues 'character reference?'. Bullic's bark was bigger than his bite wtf? Very baffling to say the least.
He was going to expose a paedophile ring within Lambeth council. To do with childrens homes. It’s a theory that Jill dando was killed for a similar reason
Of course they did BBC no doubt had people visiting wherever with his co workers
Absolutely agree with you. There’s quite a few cases in crimewatch history where you can absolutely tell there’s an agenda and a narrative
Ron Harrison, the ex headmaster who was killed by two of his former students. Ropey to say the least and far more to it than the narrative in the reconstruction
BBC covering for Saville at the time, 1993.
If the BBC had an "agenda" like you imply, they'd have not put the case on BBC One for 10 million people to watch.
That reconstruction was nothing more than a character assassination of BF
how so? I thought, based on the reconstruction, he was a sweet kind man.
Bulic Forsythe-practically a martyr. Sad he was murdered for some of the reasons I’ve read about. What makes me angry is if you look into this case, you soon see that they try besmirch him but making him look like a hard wiring family man having gay flings. Please read up on this case!
Yes you are right
can you give us an overview please - just too many books that need reading - too little time!
The men in dark suits leaving his flat with folders, the sightings, it all adds up
@@Andrew84UK facts sad no one was never caught😳to think they could still b amongst us..
@@Andrew84UK I would say it was something to do with planning permission. Property developers Dodgy as Fcuk
The way Bulick's neighbour goes 'OMG THEIR IS A FIRE' is brilliant hahahahah
And then runs upstairs....above the fire!
John Bennett making another appearance here, just a few months before his life was to change beyond measure. In February 1994, the Fred and Rose West investigation began. His book, The Cromwell Street Murders, is well worth a read (as is Gordon Burn's book about the case: "Happy Like Murderers").
Doesn't the volvo driver and women look like Fred and Rose
Considering the conspiracy theories about Bulic Forsythes death,It's noticeable that no police officer makes an appeal to viewers like they usually do
This was only 2 months after the Stephen Lawrence case case (who incidentally hadn't had a reconstruction by this point) and institutional racism within the force was the reason why his murder went unsolved for so long and why only half of those responsible are actually in prison.
@@jenniferkelly5897 the good old days
@@jenniferkelly5897 whatever, it is linked to socio-economics because the working class communities and ethnic minorities did not communicate with Police Officers or law enforcement - that is why so many murders with working class white males where never resolved.
@@lcb- and why did these groups choose not to communicate with police?
@@lcb- I know. The reason there was a lack of communication with these groups was because, back then it was so easy to be prejudiced.
Bulic Forsythe and Jill Dando apparently were both silenced for the same reason: they were going to expose a child abuse ring. The irony being Jill actually presented this show replacing Sue so the media ran with that angle that she was targeted because of it.
rs84 there’s way more evidence that bulic was going to expose a ring. Dando is just hear say
I wonder does it have anything to do with Epstein's island?
Asserting things as fact for which there is no evidence whatsoever. You hate to see it.
There's absolutely no evidence whatsoever of that with Jill Dando. Rather more evidence in Bulic's case.
@@zeddeka I did say apparently. Only going by what's out there. Doesn't mean it's accurate or I agree with it
Scones jam and cream? Very suspicious indeed. Should have called the emergency services immediately
Hope you don't go around ordering scones and jam not manly at all
Along with the hot chocolate.
Recently had an op and Have some time off work . I'm totally addicted to crime watch .
The Bulic Forsythe murder - still a mystery.
He was apparently going to expose government child abuse ring..
@@denzel9086Yes, apparently so. I remember there was an appeal about the murder in the news a year or so ago, from his daughter (whom he never got to see, sadly).
Stewart Spaull Yes, very tragic. I have a feeling this case will remain unsolved forever.
Looking at the clip seems highly likely he was bumped off !
Definitely killed by government hitmen (they do exist here too, anyone who doesn’t believe that is a fool) and in the 90s lack of CCTV means his killer(s) will probably never be caught
The couple who robbed at 14.00 must have made a massive amount from working on a market stall, if they could afford a detached house that size in Sussex. They must have been more than just market traders selling jackets!
Could have had inheritance from relations, they might have had other businesses besides the stall...
Two people who acted in the reconstructions have also appeared in one foot in the grave. The gentlemen social worker in the first reconstruction played a salesman trying to sell Victor Meldrew a toy dinosaur and the lady in the blue jumper in the second reconstruction played a young mother in the episode called descent into the maelstrom.
I don’t believe it
@@markdavidson9100 good one 😂
Billy Mitchell playing a fire man in this one he was a police officer in another one, he looks so young
Thanks Redcard 74 keep uploads coming mate
Wonder if anything more will come out about the Bulic Forsyth murder after today’s shocking Lambeth report
Good Evening Crimewatchers.Good Evening Red Card.Thanks for the upload
Thanks Redcard74, as always.....
8 quid for some tape! That's 16 pounds inflation adjusted! Thats the most disturbing crime yet! 17:27
Yes - that was the thing that stuck out for me in this episode - £3.99 in Wilko at the moment. Shows capitalism and competition does work when it is allowed to
If Ron was able to remove the tape from his ankles carefully, he could have reused it later for something. I hope he was able to do that. Its always good when you can take something positive from such situations.
Thanks Redcard74.
God bless and protect our brave firemen and women.
Water fairy's.
Amen to that wonderful service they provide and put their self's at risk.
7:01 It makes it look like it took him over 4 hours to go to the newsagent !
Why in his reconstruction would they show him having a go at people about car parking? It's just to make him look petty and unlikable
@@tristanmorgan852He didn't have a go at them he just looked at them because it was not normal
@kevthegoat8774 the car parking bit wasn't an important part it shows him in a bad light in my opinion. It's a very strange reconstruction when you consider your trying to get people to come forward with information to help catch his killers. Never has been solved
32.33 that photo fit! 😱😱😱😬
'... look out for and protect...' Ain't that nice? So many protectors looking out for their mates in these tragidocudramas. It's alternatingly heartwarming and heartwrencherising all at once.
Whatever it was that was in that report, it was damaging enough for someone to put a hit on BF.
this is the full uninterrupted version of june 1993 and picture is restored on the second reconstruction in particular the Little chef bit had blank screen in the other version
11:53 scones, jam and cream.
How dreadfully suspicious 😮
It’s amazing the details witness’s notice when they later talk about someone they saw doing something or talking to someone else.
In March 2024 there was a major development in the Carol Clark murder. A 64 year old man from Newcastle was arrested for her murder. So far, it is not clear how he was found. No further details are currently available.
27:32 :"Help , Securico driver requires assistance ", im sorry but thats comedy gold. lol
Busses in London do the same🤣🤣
Yes ordering scones n jam is well suspicious
The actor playing carols boyfriend in the last reconstruction played the train station manager in a episode of keeping up appearances
£7.95 for duct tape...in 1993. The robbers were fleeced. Besides cable ties were quickly becoming more fashionable to restrain victims. Must be old school villains.
I noticed that too. Not cheap back then for duct tape.
Yes 30!years later you get that same roll for £1 at the pound shop
Maybe it's because it was actually made in the UK back then lol
@@rs-qt1qg probably now made in China
@@peteglobe23 exactly my point lol
22:42 They made that woman's face in the background look like a skull by blurring it. ;*(
11.50 the man ordered scone and cream so I immediately became suspicious 😂😂😂
The prisons are full of people who made that silly mistake. And guess what they all reckon they order a tea cake. 🇬🇧👍
Superintendent John Bennett - I’m positive he was the head of the investigation of Frederick & Rosemary West.
Gaffers isn't a slang for coppers it's gavvers which is a gypsy term to describe police that has passed over into slang
In Scotland,they call prison officers boss
Bulics wife does not sound American. I can hear a Jamaican accent in there.
Plenty of Jamaicans go to work in America and get residency. You can be a British Citizen and have a Jamaican accent.
Evening all
Is this the first time that a police officer has appeared in consecutive shows leading different cases. John Bennett here was on last month's episode covering the Richard Miles murder.
21:02 He's nicked Number 6's car from The prisoner !
Susie wearing her surplus cushion cover material outfit again. Lovely.
I wonder what the real reason was for cancelling the show. Crimewatch was huge and was the last resort for forces running out of leads in major cases. The amount of serious crimes the public helped to solve via the show is staggering. It had huge ratings and was also watched by many serving and retired members of the justice system. Maybe they were worried that the Dando case would be opened again. Serbian hitman - do me a favour.
Thanks for the upload.
The show was absolutely terrible - downright unwatchable - by the time it was cancelled. They put it out of its misery. (And I’m not sure what you are insinuating about the Jill Dando murder.)
Combination of the format becoming awful to watch and also nowadays we don't need reconstructions to be made to remind people of crimes and yo phone in as we have plenty of video and mobile technology to check on such crimes.
It's been back on TV for some time now, but it's very different because the world is very different. Let's not forget that this version of Crimewatch is literally from last century. A lot of the crimes they features either don't really exist now (securicor van raids!) And murders are usually solved very quickly now because there's so much more evidence to work with -CCTV, DNA, mobile phones. There's little need to appeal for information like this now, and if they do, they do it on social media. People just stopped watching Crimewatch in the 90s and that's why it was stopped.
I never trust people who eat skones
scones
@Taipan Tails scone
I never trust people who can’t spell scones.
Im amazed anyone was ever caught with the state of some of the photo fits!!
I like the creepy side-glance the man on the mobile phone, in the Little Chef gives lol
Very odd for a man to order some scones and jam. How times have changed, wouldn’t give it a second thought these days
Yeah, I thought it was funny that she found that suspicious.
@@pkempy I think it's just that a) times have changed and there was definitely not a "cafe culture" in the early 1990s when even "little chef" to anyone I knew was a "treat" and that a butch type cockney in the early 1990s would be very unlikely to order something like that , especially alone and at that time of night . I think the waitress must have seen a good cross-section of society working there and so based her opinion on those observations, you know ? :)
paul kemp I still think that’s a bit odd even now
No, Nick, the bolt cutters were going to be used by the robbers later on to trim their finger nails.
Not sure if the last reconstruction is on the other copy of this on CZcams. Cheers Redcard!
Robert Nunn it isn’t. This is the full show
@@rs-qt1qg nice.
17:00 Detective Inspector George Michael
Think this is the first episode I have seen that has a woman SIO in it.
And only about the 2nd time we've seen a mobile phone
Thanks as always
11:48 if you witness someone ordering scones, jam & cream - immediately be wary it’s the mark of evil!
22:26 Blue Steel
32:30
I've seen that on The Walking Dead!
Holy Mother of God, wtf is that?!
8:30 talk about understatement 😂 should be a meme
29:40 This has reminded me of the Go bots from when i was a boy!
17:08 You can buy all that sort of stuff cheaply at a certain market in Prague.
thats shocking.... a man ordering a scone
Carol Clark is still showing unsolved but doesn't it bear similarities to Christopher Halliwell's MO? Also that other one in Bristol (the American artist). Makes you wonder about Melanie Hall too.
Interstat Shelley Morgan?
@@roccaluce Yes. My bad for forgetting her name.
Something about carol clarks death stinks like last weeks mackerel
Still officially unsolved, though:
www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristols-carol-clark-strangled-dumped-4295
Your right there
Can we have a new upload please
32:29 Looks like an alien from star trek. ;*P
Didn't they show this Bulic case shown in another episode from a good few years earlier??? I'm sure of it I saw this before.
No I think you mean the actor who played Bulic in this reconstruction also appeared a few years earlier in another reconstruction
Were the two men who were with Bulic in the shop ever identified?
sadly not
28.18 the man calling the police sounds a lot like Bryan Mosley, Alf Roberts in Corrie
Nah it couldn’t have been as he got thrown off an upper floor of a multi story car park years earlier
The Carol murder looks like Fred and Rosie West? In the volvo
When is next upload Redcard 74
Donny Osmond orders a lovely cream tea, shock horror.
Watching these old crime watches makes me glad i dont live in that time. It seems so judgemental lmao, she was suspicious of a man for ordering scones and hot chocolate? So many other things too, these times werent even that long ago yet the society just seemed so depressing and repressed and horrible.
Plenty of DNA in all yhe itrms left in the house robbery .
Horsham robbery woman was in one foot in the grave… the gnome one
Reg Sanders announcing this one
Apparently they’ve caught carols killer
The actor playing the wife in the Horsham Robbery, where have I seen her before? I’m positive she’s been in other shows I’ve watched...🤔 Anyone?
Not sure, although I think the actor playing Bulic was one of the later presenters of play school...it was definitely a children’s programme anyway
One foot in the grave I think, the one with the gnomes maybe
Eastenders
34:02 That is surely not human?!
Can anyone upload crimewatch July 1997(the chillenden murders that happened in July 1996)
Tea and scones or not, turned out to be no good.
yes id definately be suss about a man ordering scones!!
Wait a minute why was it unusual for a man to order a chocolate and a scone? 😂 😂 😂 I seen a guy once get on a bus I found it very unusual 😂 😂 That's the equivalent of her statement.
Cheers!
32:17 the middle one is Sean Bean
No, he’s far too handsome.
The waitress was sconespicious
Doesn't work at all. You perhaps could have said that she thought he was involved in a "sconspiracy to commit a crime" but even that's pushing it.
@@eadweard. s'gone to her head
Be careful what you order next time you go to a Little Chef, you are being noted.
I thought the thumbnail was will smith
Excellent. Early.
36:38 rave on 😆😆
Blowlegg Forstrewth must have had the gay lovers in the Council
It is crazy that a global, cosmopolitan city like London with tons of CCTV cameras in each street and yet so many unsolved murders in the late 80's/90's especially post Big Brother (1984) times.
there weren't so many CCTV in those days
You know "1984" wasn't actually real? there weren't too many CCTV cameras in London at all back then