Amateur 16mm Film Cameras - What's Available?
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- 16mm is an amazing format and shooting on it is a lot of fun. There are tons of cameras out there for amateurs who are looking to learn about the format, shoot it themselves, and do small projects on. But of course where do you start? Let’s take a look at some common amateur 16mm cameras and what exactly they’re capable of!
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Definitely a relative judgement call. For you, this may be a $1k money pit. For The Strokes, it was ultimately a multimillion dollar earning music video. I hope we're all making value decisions for ourselves based on what we know we need and not trying to judge the needs of others based on our ideas of what we think they do or don't need. Not that anyone was doing that.
to the very small amount of people who will care , the original Evil Dead was filmed on 16mm and most of Raimi's student films were made on super 8
Correct. Many more well known films were shot on 16mm and Super 16. Regular 16 for example: Christopher Nolan's Following, El Mariachi, The Texas Chansaw Massacre. Super 16, too many to mention, but some examples of well known movies: This Is Spinal Tap, Leaving Las Vegas, The Hurt Locker, City Of God, Black Swan, The Wrestler, Blue Valentine, Carol, Jackie, Mother!, Irreversible,.....
found a bolex at a thrift store for $20. at the time, i didn't know anything about motion picture film so i didn't buy it. man, do i regret not buying it now.
I am a baby to 16mm, even though I am 63 years old. I will drink up this information, by the bucket! Thanks!
I have the last 16mm Bell & Howell, the 240EE and it is so stable, Orson Welles apparently loved it. You did miss the fact that some older 16mm cameras only use double perforated film and cannot handle single perf like later cameras. Some people actually shave off some sprockets on older cameras to shoot single perf on them, but I am not a fan of that. Other cheap cameras that are great 16mm models include Keystone, the brief early 1930s Stewart Warner and the CinKlox made in Cincinnati, Ohio, some of which do sound 24 frames per second speed. The Canon Scoopic (scoop, like a reporter getting an exclusive story) had models that also took 200ft daylight spools that are no longer made, but some of that film is still out there unopened and would be worth shooting. Other models we should all explore in 16mm include the Admira Electric 16 (maybe the best East Bloc 16mm camera ever made in its size and capacity), Auricon, Berndt-Maurer, Cinema Products, DeVry, Doiflex, Emel, Ensign, Eumig, Frezzolini, General Camera, GIC ETM (France), Ikonoskop, MCM, Morton, Nizo, PLB (also France), RCA (they made the first optical sound camera in 1935), Revere, Texas General, Traid, Vego, Victor Cine Camera (before RCA bought the company), Viewlex, Zeiss and don't forget the Mitchell. Some have lenses that are unique and you cannot get anymore. Look forward to your next 16mm videos and caught other already. Thanks!
Stumbled upon on your channel, love what you’re doing for the film community.I truly love that there are film lover out there.Just got my bolex converted to s16 and I love it.
Wow, I’m really glad that I found your channel. Your videos are very informative and well done!
Thanks so much, I just subbed. It's a pleasure to find somebody who really seems to know about these wonderful film cameras.
I recall reading an article many years ago in super 8 filmmaker about how to make a crystal sync pulse generator
I need to take my Bolex camera out to the local lake and doing some filming.
Wow, this is a very well put together CZcams video. You clearly did your research! Very informative. Thanks for posting this!!
In my grandma's old house back in Jerusalem, she told me that my grandpa had obtained two cameras at the time and was filming a lot etc. In 2016, my dad and I went to Jerusalem specifically in hopes to actually go and find those cameras in order to refurbish them etc. We never were able to find them :( We did find a lot of great stuff though (stamps, coins dating back to 1800s including but not limited to Ottoman Empire coins, daggers that were used in combat, old photo albums etc.)
*nervously sweats as I check ebay for a Bolex*
Damn you Analog Resurgence.
Great information and i look forward to seeing future content
Just ordered a Pathe Webo .
Ok dude ! You’re are pretty awesome!! Thank you for making this .
Thanks you bro!! Waiting for new episodes 🙏🏻
Those 16mm cameras look amazing
But they are very expensive
Hi | There is Fomapan 16 mm film too, 30 meters. In Europe costs around 35 euros.
Dank für den Film! Toll gemacht!
Yes, in the late 70's this was used by us film students (more often Super 8)
Love your channel! 😁😁BTW Beaulieu: The first part "beau-" sounds like "boh," rhyming with "no," and the "-lieu" is like "lyoo," rhyming with "you."😊😊
One cam that I like is the Victor turret model, mod 3 I think. It's like a lightweight 70dr that's so portable and more compact. But it used only double perf 16mm film which isn't made anymore. So the teeth on one side of the sprocket gear must be filed flat to use current stock. I remember the pulldown claw was only on one side so no problem with that.
Lol, now Scopics are 4,000 bucks a pop. That is truly insane.
I recently acquired the Bell and Howell 200 magazine camera for 16mm
I once got to shoot on the Krasnogordk-3 and I think it will be one of my favorite memories.
great info. Appreciate it
Very well done overview. I used to supervise the production facilities at a film school, and they kept six or so Bolex H16's on a shelf for 'special uses' -- meaning they never really got used. When I took over, I checked them out and four of the six immediately blew their spring drives. Swiss Professional (in NY) was able to repair them, but recommended that they be used regularly, so as not to degrade the mechanism.
As to sync (or the lack of sync / crystal), how well does it work if you slate the beginning, using double system, and then use the tools in Premiere / Final Cut to keep the tracks in sync? Anyway, a very well informed video.
Thanks so much for this video.
Nice informative video! I use my dad's old non-reflex Bolex that looks just like yours for the occasional fun retro shoot. I had a newer reflex Bolex with a beautiful zoom lens but I sold it on ebay after filming my 16mm film day video. I thought I was done with 16mm due to cost and difficulties with exposure and noise but I'm still doing it. Anyway, I've had some success syncing sound but you have to chop up and adjust things. Shorter clips work better. The biggest problem with dad's old Bolex is the age made it shoot lower frame rates than 24fps and I'd look at the results at 24fps and everyone looked all fast like an old movie. My advice to Bolex users is to use the frame counter and run 10 seconds of an old exposed junk film roll and divide by 10 and see what your average frame rate is. increase the rate until it matches 24fps. Even if it's a bit faster, it's better than too slow.
Great video!
I have used the Bolex many times. I actually had an Ultra 16 and loved it. Sadly I sold the camera but will get another one soon.
Krasnogorsk -- is just a town in Moscow Region where the manufacturer of these cameras is located (translated in English something similar to "town of a red hill"). The factory is still alive, it produces medical, military and other optical equipment. But no more film cameras sadly.
When you cover the professional 16mm cameras don't forget to cover the Mitchell 16mm and Maurer 16mm studio cameras and the difference between 2-perf and single perf 16mm.
Glad you moved back next to the wall. Looks better
thanks! right video to the right time :-)
Thank you for your very nice video.
I really wish I had shot much more film (=Super 8 and 35mm slide film) in my youth!
There is certain magic in film!
BTW did you mention there are some old 16 mm cameras which require the use of double perforated film?
You simply can NOT use single perforated film as camera film transport mechanism uses dual sprockets.
(English is not my first language.)
The k100 and cine Kodak special is really stretching amateur.
The special also took 200 foot rolls as well
Bew- Lee.
Great stuff cheers,
Krasnogorsk II-16mm good for regular film.I love it.🎬🎞🎥👍🥁🥁
My first 16mm camera was an early model non-reflex Bolex. I now have a Bolex Rex5. I have also used a Bell and Howell Filmo, Kodak K100 and Cine Special, a Mitchell 16mm and a CP-16R.
Herb Montes how much did you get your Rex 5 for? I’m looking on eBay and the majority are around 5k USD
@@Andy-mr6yb I bought it about 10 years ago from a guy in Germany. He had it serviced and modified at the Bolex factory. It was originally a Rex 4 but had a magazine saddle added to make it a Rex 5. It cost me $1,000 back then.
I would like to mention somethings about the Kodak K100 and Cine Special cameras. I have owned both of these and they are very fine cameras. The main problem with these are the lenses that come with them. For some reason Kodak used a lubricant on them that cause the focus rings to seize up. This made focusing difficult. The same would happen with the exposure adjustment. The problem is not as big with the K100 since it is a C-mount camera and you could change the Kodak lenses for another brand. I have even mounted a zoom lens with a reflex finder on my K100. Not so with the Cine Special. This camera is great for doing animation and special effects work. But uses a proprietary S-mount lens system. Only Kodak lenses come in S-mount and have the lubrication problem. Fortunately I had a rare C-mount to S-mount adapter so I could use any lens on my Cine Special.
Have you had any experience of the Kiev 16U? Good or bad! They look fairly portable which would be handy for me. Thanks for the great channel.
I actually have the original Cine Kodak Model A. $142 on eBay including tripod. Not so cheap nowadays!
Also, the only company still making 100ft rolls of double-perf 16mm film I can think of is ORWO. And they only sell Black & White Negative film. So not many options in terms of film stock.
The Film Photography project actually just started doing some double-perf color negative and other stocks!
filmphotographystore.com/collections/movie-film/products/16mm-film-double-perf-fresh-kodak-vision3-500t-7219-100-ft
@@AnalogResurgence Didn't know that! Will have to try sometime.
I recently scored a B&H Filmo 70a from eBay for $28. This cam is from circa 1927 and has a Taylor Hobson Cooke lens. This thing is so old it only does 8 and 16FPS And I think it also pre-dates C mount lenses (Not 100% sure) But the thing works GREAT mechanically I tested it with some 16MM leader lying around and it seems to work great! It will do until I can afford a Bolex H16. Hopefully I didn’t buy something “TOO old.”
You’re still the man
There is actually single lens reflex Kiev model. It was however problematic as it uses dichroic mirror to split image and image in viewfinder was pretty terrible. I still enjoy it due to it's small form factor.
I just recieved like 50 rolls of recanned 16mm kodak film.
how
Have you considered taking a gander at these 16mm magazine cameras now that FPP offers the magazines?
Decent attempt. ;-) Beaulieu (beautiful place) = boe (as in tying a bow) lyoo
My bell and Howell camera is a wind up and it actually has a really constant speed
6:13 I have a Krasnogorsk-3.
Will a crystal sync motor for a Bolex also allow you to shoot without turning the handle? And in that case shoot for more than 30 seconds?
I really enjoy watching your videos they’re super informative! Now I have two working analog cameras. A 8mm and a 16mm. What I’d be interested in knowing is how do you take care of them so the motor or any of the vital components do not stop working?
The best thing to keep in mind is if you're storing the camera for long periods of time, make sure not to do so with the motor wound up! If my Bolex has no film inside and is sitting in the case for a few months I always make sure that it isn't wound up at all.
Yes , I confirm you misspronounce Beaulieu 😁 ..try to say it this way: bowlew...though it won't be perfectly mimiking the french "eu" (which has no equivalent in english) it will be close enough.
hey there dear noah
would you recommend the BEAULIEU over bolex camera?
Hey can you do a tutorial on how to load and unload film from a cine' kodak model k please
Is it possible (or even all that wise) to mount modern lenses on a 16mm motion picture camera? Such as mounting modern c-mount lenses on the Bolex you have?
MAGAZINE FILM IS NOW AVAILABLE AT THE FILM PHOTOGRAPHY PROJECT! They have color, black & white, positive, and negative film.
Texas Chainsaw Massacre was filmed on a 16mm Bolex.
Might have been a few shots done a Bolex, but it was mainly shot on an Eclair NPR.
Heyy quick question. I got a tape with a black side and a yellow side inside a old video camera. How can i see if the film is already used?
ffp has some 16mm film in cartriges
Is the Canon Scoopic 16mm Film Camera lens parfocal? Can it be modified to shoot Super16 width? Canon's achive website says it is 4x3 format, I guess to conform to the early TV format days.
Very good Noah, let me leave a comment to improve your standing with the almighty algorithm.
Is a 16MM Cine Kodak a good Begginer Kamera ?
Great job on the video. I have been getting out my old equipment and will be editing and digitizing some old 16mm shot in 1974 of a former olympian riding his bike across the USA and back again in 38 days. When I am done I plan to sell off my old equipment so if you have any ideas aside from ebay I would appreciate an email back. I have 2 Bolex cameras. a bell and howell 16mm filmosound, a Minette viewer and a bolex splicer.
I had an Eclair 16mm
Do you know where i could find a live view lens for a film camera? I saw many for $100 and up two or three years ago and now its like they’ve vanished. Also do you know where to get an electric motor for the cine kodak k100?
You should do a review on the Keystone 16mm cameras. They are far more respectable and reliable than their first impression gives you.
Can you recommend good sources for finding a decent budget friendly 16mm film camera?
Is the background clicking noise an analog thing?
GOOD MORNING. I WRITE FROM ITALY. I ASK YOU IF YOU CAN TELL ME THE VOLTAGE OF THE ARRIFLEX 35MM 2A AND 2C ìCAMERAS. THANK YOU
Where do you get the film processed at?
I may have to get my 16 mm camera out of storage. It was my grandfather’s camera. A vintage Victor Cine Camera. Maybe not as good as a bolex but does use 100’ rolls of film and has a three lens turret although I only have 2 lenses for it
I'll have to ask my grandmother if she still has a film camera laying around.
I'd never call Eyemo an "amateur" camera, it was used by photojournalists extensively during the war before becoming the key crash camera for Hollywood (where it still is used sometimes). To my knowledge there was never any 35mm camera made specifically for home movie use, that simply wasn't a real market until 16mm entered the equation.
What about the Arriflex 16mm cameras like what was used on The Other Side of the Wind, do you know if those are any good?
The Arriflex cameras are really nice cameras! There are early ones like the Arri 16S that are really nice cameras that can be a step up from some of these cameras here (the lenses available for those cameras are very nice and can get very expensive). I want to cover some of those cameras in the future and didn't want to group them in with these primarily spring-driven cameras.
cinematechnic.com/resources/arri_16s
Analog Resurgence Cool, thanks for the tip. Keep up the good work!
Not an amateur camera!
@@AnalogResurgence Hey man your videos are so usefulll! i've a question. Whats do you think about Krasnogorsk 2? Is a good camera? What's the differences between the Krasnogorsk 2 and the Krasnogorsk 3? I already use super8 and i want to buy a 16mm camera and i found an announce of an working Krasnogorsk 2 :))))
@@baloup571 I'm not too sure the difference between the 2 and the 3, but I know the 3 is more popular. They're cameras that a lot of beginners pickup because they can be found for cheap and also you can get some great lenses for them because some have an M42 lens mount that lots of older 35mm photography SLR cameras had! They're soviet made cameras though and were made somewhat cheaply and can give you some problems because of that. It's not uncommon to have film jam or scratch with them, but you can get some great results as well! I like to use this website for reference and to see what people have experienced: cinematography.com/index.php?/forum/6-16mm/
7:27 That' a 200ft mag, not 400. I wish there were 400ft mags for the Beaulieu
What camera is that at 4:39?
Where to show your finished product
I wanna get a keystone 16mm they look cool
I have a Criterion A-9 which seems to work well though I've never used it. I'm thinking I might get into 16mm soon.
@@strider5964 yeet
I don't know anything about 16mm film cameras but Beaulieu is pronounced bo-lee-uh (which means beautiful place in French)
Can I do long takes with an Arriflex 16S, or is it like the bolex where I can only shoot for 30 seconds?
Yes you can do a long take. The 16s can take a 400ft external magazine which run for about eleven minutes I think. You would need a changing bag to change film in and out.
Would you use cctv lenses on a Bolex? Like the sony 12.5-75mm, would i end up with vignetting? I’m having a hard time finding out what works and what doesn’t.
You can and there are a bunch of those old CCTV C-mount lenses out there, but they can give you some unexpected results because of their quality. I own a couple, but haven't had a chance to test them out too much. I'm not too sure about vignetting, but they should cover the whole frame. I know because they weren't really designed for film cameras that they won't produce high quality results and can be softer then normal cine lenses. Still they're usually a pretty cheap investment and if you're looking for some simple lenses for a bolex they can be a good place to start. You can also check out sites like these for some more information and discussions on the subject: cinematography.com/index.php?/topic/39-bolex-h16-question-or-any-16mm-c-mount-camera/
@@AnalogResurgence awesome thanks for the quick reply! Love your channel man. Keep it up!
What is recommended for stop motion like a Harryhausen’s film? Thanks!
Would it be possible to record sound separately and edit later?
Hey Noah, what's a good camera for a complete film noob, Krasnogrosk-3, Beaulieu R16 or Bolex H16?
I don't know too much about the different Beaulieu models out there! The Bolex is the popular choice and if you're willing to learn then you can get great results from some of the older cheaper models that are out there (models like the Rex4 and 5 are pretty pricey these days). The Krasnogrosk can cause problems and is kind of sketchy, but I've seen some great footage from it and it's definitely one of the cheapest places to start!
This is my Bolex model: www.bolexcollector.com/cameras/h16t.html
Meopta Admira 16 electric is another, quite obscure, also "communist" Czech 16mm camera, made in 60's. It's very humble (look-through viewfinder only and prime lens), but it's electric, so the mechanics is simple and relatively easier to repair. It has unique design.
Which 16mm camera in the market you recommend to shoot longer shots and something with available 16mm cartridge in the market ??
Very cool stuff. Have you covered any analog cameras (as per your namesake)? Film is cool but I was expecting analog photo/video cameras (not that I'm disappointed).
This video is about analog cameras…? Or do you mean electronic analog cameras? Film is also analog. Analog doesn’t have to be electronic.
@@martyjackson4166
Analog is electrical, using variable voltages, frequencies, etc. to represent data. Everything about film is chemical, not analog.
Cameras like the Sony MVC-7000 and Canon RC-701 are examples of ASLRs.
@@Crlarl That isn’t what the Merriam-Webster dictionary says the definition of “analog” is. It says nothing about it being electrical.
I do appreciate your profile pic though.
Would these be good for traditional frame-by-frame animation?
Yes! The Bolex can be used for single frame animation easily
@@AnalogResurgence Awesome, thank you for the reply! I was trying to figure out how to create an older anime aesthetic using traditional animation methods, and inking/painting cels was easy enough to figure out. Transferring those cels to 16mm film (which was commonly used for TV anime until the 2000's) was the head-scratcher for me. Now I know to invest in a Bolex camera and jerry-rig it to point downwards to capture the cels frame-by-frame!
Of course, I could have just used filters and animate digitally, but nothing beats the real thing, in my opinion. Plus I can frame and sell the cels afterwards as art pieces! And I could maybe even sell the film itself!
I've read in old camera magazines of the 1970's that "Beaulieu" was pronounced "BOWL-yew.";) My first (and only) Beaulieu was the MCR-8G, a Double 8mm movie camera with an astounding 6.5-52mm Angenieux zoom lens. It produced Kodachrome movies as beautiful as the camera, but back then I was more interested in long lenses for surf photography (As in the Century Precision Optics 650mm f/6.3 lens). Plus, this was in the early 1970's when Double 8mm film was getting hard to find unless it was Kodachrome 25D/40T. So I sold it to a salt-soaked surfer and went looking for a 600mm f/5.6 Nikkor. (But that's another story.;)
Since Beaulieu is french, I believe the pronunciation is BO-lee-ew
Yep, I took Spanish to satisfy the school foreign language requirement. (My older sister was the French speaker.) In retrospect, I should have gone to Japanese language school.;)
It's "Bullyew"
Eau in French is water. Its pronounced *Oh*. Just as the word for loved one or sweetheart is *Beau*. It is pronounced as *Bow* (necktie or archer"s). So the close approximation to the proper pronunciation is Bowl-yer.
Why shud I use 24fps when shooting silent? I'd use 16fps to gain a minute more on a 100ft roll. If blurry action is the problem, one can use a cam with adjustable shutter, closing it down so that each frame gets about one sixtieth sec or less.
Is there a 8mm vs 16mm
im in the market for a 16mm camera. Does anyone know what is better between the Beaulieu R16 and Krasnagorsk-3. The Beaulieu is electric however the krasnagorsk is available in super16 format. If anyone has experience with these cameras or knows about them please shed any light you have!!! Thank you :)
A word of caution!! Be careful when buying older (pre 1960) 16mm , many only run double perf film and won't run single perf film. 😮
Where is the best place to get a Scoopic other then Ebay?
I like to keep an eye out on this site, usually some more reliable stuff being posted: cinematography.com/index.php?/forum/15-cine-marketplace/
Im confused about loading the film. In another video, you said to be super careful not to open the reel canister, but with the amateur 16mm kodak film you can?
Many of these cameras take 100ft rolls of 16mm film. Those rolls are on metal spools that protects the film from being completely exposed in the light so they’re safe to load in subdued light outside of a darkroom. Larger cameras take 400ft rolls which always need to be handled in complete darkness because they are just wrapped around a plastic core.
@@AnalogResurgence Got it! Thanks!
The Eyemo was never intended as an amateur camera.
You look like an older Cameron Boyce
Not any more it seems. The Scoopic is 10x as much on my search on eBay.
When buying Krasnogorsk camera, how can I check whether it is in a working condition or not?
Also, which one is better - 2 or 3?
3. The 2 can't take daylight spools.
Yep, the Krasnogorsk-3 is much better because of the 100ft daylight spools and if it has an M42 mount, the choice of lenses (already comes with a good zoom lens) and the possibility of easy Super 16 conversion. If a trusted ebay seller says it´s in working condition, it is. Buying K-3 is always a bit of a gamble. They can have some issues such as poor registration (jitter), but even this can be fixed in post. I know a dozen or so film fans that own a K-3, including myself, and they are all very pleased with it.