Biggest Mistakes to Avoid When Installing a Underground Downspout Drain [ Gutter Drainage System ]
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- One of the biggest mistakes made with downspouts you go under a sidewalk and then you come up so you just create a sink trap for shingle gravel to be trapped.How's it going to get out of there? You have to run the downspout far away from the house and create slope as you run it out.
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Thank you for everything you have done Robert by educating the home owner about down spouts, drains, french drains and the correct way to install and run the correct drainage systems. One again A+ video. Thank you so much. 👍🏻
Amazing. Where I live in Australia, it is law to run the "storm-water" to the street gutter with solid wall pipes . Most of the perforated pipes are used to collect ground seepage. They are wrapped in a one-way cloth to prevent soil ingression.
This makes so much sense. I see so many landscape contrtactors that charge a lot of money do that exact same thing of jus stubbing up the drain pipe. I have seen their jobs where they dont even put an end cap of some mind on the end. Next time I fid one of these when I am doing lighting I am just going to fix it while we are there
This an excellent video for us DYI folks! Thanks
about to put in a french drain and have a gutter dump into it. I was planning on putting in a T or Y for cleanout, but didnt consider a catch basin. Glad I watched this before filling anything in!
Thanks for the informational videos! I’ve been watching a bunch as I’m in the process of redoing my drainage in central Ohio.
Great video! This information is very helpful to me, now I understand why and how rain water is backing up and flowing over the gutters on the side of the house that has a french drain. When it stops raining I'm going to fix that problem. Thanks, Joyce from Huntsville Alabama. God bless! 😊
Great breakdown and explanations! Simple, clear, and useful. Excellent demonstration of why the original design was flawed and how your design addressed multiple issues. I especially appreciate your mentioning that it is more work to set up, but that the results outweigh the labor
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Your channel has helped our business a ton.
What a great informational video I learned so much this. Thank you.
Very detailed information. Thank you.
Off course it was helpful, I was about to do the same error. Thank you
great explanation of drain trap and why important
All the more reason to have a metal roof on the house. I renewed my roof with a metal one and after 9 years i hardly have much crap in my drains except from small pine needles and small tree stuff , which most is caught by the RWL guards, works great.
Damn thats an eye opener. Thanks!
best video so far !! thanks
Great stuff! Thank you.
This is great, I'm pretty sure I have this exact problem, black corrugated pipe, slopes down then back up, clogged... thought it was mud but I bet it's shingle gravel... thanks for this video!
Great video man!
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Thank you. I was thinking of doing this in my yard and glad that I didn't just rush into it and do it the wrong way.
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I never realized putting in a French drain was so technical. We don’t have gutters but was contemplating on putting a French drain around my shop to prevent undermining the foundation. Now, I’ll be checking out more of your videos
The 2 most popular water control systems are a roof run-off system and a French Drain system.
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You gave a great response.
Thank you.
Years ago I did Foundation water proofing. A lot of water problems came from downspout over flowing right at the base of down spouts. Get the water far away from the foundation. Wish more contractors and DIY would see this👍
We had foundation waterproofing (interior side drain) and are on a good slope. I am thinking connecting one of the gutter downspouts directly to this drain is a bad idea as more water and debris will go into this inner channel. Thinking about piping it further down to where the pipe leaves the house right before the French drain portion
Please don't put down spout drain in any drain to a basement, if the outlet gets clogged it could back up in to basement. I would run down spouts in there own drain far away from the house.
Look for popup emitters , most improvement stores have them. It's basically a elbow with a plastic cap that the water pops up and then closes after the water stops running into it.
@@jeffharper7579 thanks for the advice. The contractor we used last summer did exactly this and I thought it was a terrible idea. I hate the fact my wife thinks a contractor will always do a better job than myself and she said they know what they are doing as they gave us 20 years of assurance against flooding. I wanted to wait to use a different contractor we had to wait for or do it myself.
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Nice job hard work but I think can this myself but great video
It is such a simple concept, amazing how many people get it wrong
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I’m 100% positive now that this is the issue that is causing my downspouts to overflow at the point that it enters the ground. You just saved me a lot of ‘figuring out’ when it comes to how to install it correctly. My side-comment joke about your video is when you emptied all of the concrete shingle debris out of the pipe and onto their nice grass “Hey, fella, couldn’t you have done that on the dirt just a few feet away instead of my grass?”😂 Awesome explanation and demonstration video. Thank you!
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looks like the guy that installed my french drain installed this too. lol
The reason the original contractor installed a short U shape instead of following the grade is because it was cheap, took very little time and materials, no one was watching, there were no inspectors, and he would be long gone when the problems started. That is the definition of a “spec” build - build the home before selling it.
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Great point!!
I wish you were here in West Virginia......good info
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I can"t believe people are not smart enough to anticipate this issue if they did the actual installation by themselves. HOWEVER, I definitely can see many contractors doing a half-ass installation like this because by the time the homeowner realizes the lousey job the contractor did, years have passed and he has no recorse. When I bought my house 35 years ago, I installed 4" PVC from both sides of my house all the way to my ditch, some 100 feet for each run. Never had any issues.
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Good points. I installed underground gutter drain piping several yrs ago and I'm abandoning them now to go back to the kickout above ground type gutter arms. I would've kept underground system but our neighbor has a huge maple tree that heavily sheds those helicopter seeds a couple of times a year and plugs the underground pipes up completely. Both pipes have good fall on them but those seeds are perfect for plugging things up and I'm getting tired of wrestling with a plumbers auger to clean the pipes.
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In Europe we typically use a bottle gully connecting to smooth bore pipe laid to falls, emptying into underground soak away pits.
Thank you for commenting and contributing. I looked up your bottle gully and found it interesting.
Blows my mind how many “professional” builders don’t understand that water flows downhill!!
Hell yea!
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You make a good point about the roof shingles, it's better to put on steel roofing or tile roofing, they both are expensive, but they'll last the life of the house. As far as downspouts, the ones on my apartment go straight down to the ground, with the L going out away from the building, no wonder the eve troughs overflow every time it rains and maybe because there's not enough downspouts for the length of the roof, but whomever put that pipe under the sidewalk and up again created the same problem, it gets clogged up.
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also, the water won’t flow out as quickly as it should if it the outlet is not lower than the entry of the downspout. causes back pressure and gutters will overflow in heavy rain even if the pipe isn’t clogged
I have leaf filter brand covers on my gutters. No shingle gravel. Mine horseshoes under the sidewalk and is high in the yard. I did it on purpose because I wanted the water to be used in the yard. Solid pipe all glued together with a pop-up drain. Every few years I rinse it really well and shove the shop vac hose in to make sure it's clean. Downspout into the pipe is all glued and sealed, making a 12 foot column of water pushing down, forcing the water up the other side which is only 18inches.
Lesson to learn here is have a plan, a reason and a system that all works together.
We can't have a horse shoe in Michigan outdoor drains because in the winter they freeze and will not work during a thaw for 3 days.
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Amazing that so many people don’t understand that water runs down hill….
I'm facing a similar situation for a basement french drain. The house is set on a hillside so drainage should be simple straight inclined drainage. We have a dirt floor cellar with field stone & mortar walls. As mountain runoff occurs it carries silt and will eventually fill any pipe not set at the proper incline.
Original french drain install was at ~4ft level for crawl space. Cellar was dug deeper for central furnace and sump was installed to pump up to original drain instead of installing new french drain at lower level. Sump constantly fills with silt.
My job is to install new french drain at lower level and maintain a grade sufficient to carry the water and silt to the roadside gutter.
Just bought a house didn't know there were a mountain behind all my trees 😢. I know this old but asking did u fix you problem and who did u call to do it thanks
@@yahusha4life If you have the resources 💰 any local excavation company with a good reputation will be able to do the work you need. You''l need a trench dug across the mountain slope with retaining wall drainage and a drainage pipe with a slope to a runoff area down low installed. Corrugated pipe is cheaper for drain pipe but a perforated smooth PVC will work better if you have issues with silt.
Personally I don't have the resources. So my personal solution is going in slow motion. I first secured the system we have and made it reliable. I made a sump system that pumps a small amount of silt away with the water it is carrying each run so the silt doesn't build up and clog the intake. Now I am slowly doing the big dig work by hand. This year was gain access to the area and start the ground water run off going in the right direction.
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I have this exact bad design at my house. Wish I had this video when I DIY some yrs ago
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@@FRENCHDRAINMAN thanks for that. It looks like you are near my area, will give you a call in the future for work
Perfect explanation and demonstration of the problem. I have two crushed pipes (3" schedule 40) that connect to 4" corrugated that is also crushed at my townhome. Neighbors tell me that at one time, there was a backhoe in that area and I believe that is why pipes are crushed. I cannot find a third pipe that comes from the crawlspace and suspect it dumps into the crushed - how can I find where to dig it out? I measured the back of the house where it goes out the crawlspace but cant find it. How deep could the pipe be buried?
Run water through the crawl space pipe and see where it puddles up in the lawn.
I like using sewer pipe even better with a clean out near the downspout. Super easy to flush any material all the way down and no corrugations to trap material.
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Also there should be a gap inbetween the gutter and the French drain. It’s called the waterfall into the toilet bowl.
This way if it freezes it doesn’t back up all the way to your roof.
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What some good questions to ask when trying to hire someone to work on drainage?
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Great question!
Terrific video. My house was built poorly. Flooded my basement twice 😢
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Excellent video. How do I deal with going far into the yard where the lawn company uses the tractor to cut the lawn? Thank you!
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If you put T to hook the hose to flush out and like the catch basin
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I mean, gravity has to be a well known principle right?...
Im doing a combined french drain and grate and channel now and Ive made sure that at no point, does the french drain angle up. Roughly 1cm every metre and at no point does it join any other water sources which may backfill the ag pipe. Both exit right next to each other into a spill box...mine is catching sub soil water though and not roof gutters.
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It turns out common sense is not so common 🤷🏻♂️
I'm going to be putting in a gutter drain system soon. My backyard slopes (approx 100') with a gradual 3.5' drop into a drainage ditch, should the down spout be hooked directly into the drain pipe or can it spill into a catch basin? Thanks for the upload and any information you can provide
Yes
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I simply used a Pop Up Emitter. No problems after 6 years.
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Our downpipes in Australia have to exit into the street gutter
That doesn't seem right and if so maybe it's unique to your state. The legislation in Perth, Western Australia states that all storm water, which lands on a property, is to be retained on the same property. This essentially means that water from a property may not flow onto public, neighbouring or other properties.
@@felixyoghurt3291 in NSW all storm water must enter a pit via either road side drain or storm water pit
@@felixyoghurt3291 I wouldn't go watching septic videos to see how to do drainage in Oz.
West or East.
Peter's comment applies equally to Qld.
Just as a matter of interest, if your on a slope, are you expected to build a dam to keep that water on your property?
Nope- a 1m x 1m x 1m pit covered with geofabric & filled with 30mm- 40mm gravel is legal enough
@@maxrockatanksyOG Yep, stormwater pit.
Isn't solid PVC superior to that corrugated stuff? I mean it will self flush clean while the corrugated stuff can hold debris, water for mosquitos to breed in and all. True?
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@@FRENCHDRAINMAN I was talking about using for rain gutter down spouts to drain to the street not a French drainage system, two different things.
I have a question on installing the pop up. We’ve dug the trench sloping down away from the house, but how do I connect the pop up at the end without creating a rise in the pipe where it connects to the pop up? Particularly when the pop up has to be flush with the ground? Is the rise in the pipe at the end not a problem? It’s an NDS pop up. Thanks for your help!
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Guys get away with that a little more in my area because we frequently get 3-4” rainfalls in an hour or two so the tile gets a full stream flush. But when I lived in Michigan I saw that quite often with the roof gravel and maple seed buildup.
Same here. I do have slope in my and use a pop-up to clear out bigger debri should something get trapped. Big rains flush them well enough.
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How do you deal with the snow and ice on top of the popup? When melting in winter it NEVER drains what I can tell. It will always melt closer to the house/roof first leaving snow on top of the popup. Also the drain will freeze with ice often too.
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I live on 5 acres that is fully mowed and maintained and when we built my house I NEVER wanted this situation to happen. We built an all exterior brick earth contact home about 7' below the top of the property. 30 by almost 100 with a 10/12 roof. Once the foundation was sealed and waterproofed we put up 2" foam and another water barrier. Then we did something you are never supposed to do and it has worked flawlessly for 20+ years. We laid hard perforated (holes) pipe on the footer with about 4' of clean rock on top of it with a clean out up the 3 concrete walls. ALL of my gutters are tied into those pipes (big no no). We trenched 4 roughly 100' lines away from the house using schedule 40 solid pipe, no flexible corrugated stuff. I have never used the cleanouts and when we get a big gully washer there are 4 places out in front of my house that look like water main breaks about a foot high all coming off my roof. High and dry since 1991! People don't realize how much water their roof sheds.
... actually, hard perf pipe with gravel was common in my area (northeast) going back to the 60s. They were called footing drains and many times the rain gutters were tied in, or at least laid in the same trench with a common outlet.
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Would there be any problem with drilling a hole or two in the bottom of an elbow where a pop up is connected? My thinking is that any residual water that can’t escape out the pop up can leach down into the soil before it freezes in the winter.
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thank you but who to call to change this out
Google "yard drainage contractor near me"
How did you guys get the pipe under the sidewalk? Any concrete cutting involved, or did you burrow under the side walk?
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Wait - water flows downhill? My homebuilder seemed to be unaware of that fact. It is good exercise digging trenxhes and I was in pretty good shape at the end. I used the non perforated pipe for the downslope run. Nice thing about gravity is that it is always on, no problem with a sump pump not working.
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Curious how much about a French drain system should run. I know it depends on how much trenching but I just got an estimate for 22K for a French drain along the back of my house (about 25 feet long) and along the side (about 75 feet) plus rain gutters plus Stucco repair with silicone. I know it's alot of work especially since the area in the back (worst part because it's downsloping right into my house) has a concrete patio so that has to be busted up before trenching but still 22K & 2 weeks to complete the job seems like ALOT and a long time to get the job done
It's hard to say what you should be paying because every state and city has its own labor costs. Here in Michigan, that seems really expensive, even if it were all hand-dug and there were no machine access. I think you should get some more quotes. You can't hire based on price, but if you can find a guy that you really feel confident in and he's in the middle, that's what I would shoot for. Never hire the cheapest guy.
I’ve never seen this design before. We usually take down pipes to either direct runoff to ground or a soakwell to enable drainage to subsurface (only where there is sand). I suppose this is a direct runoff with gap from house.
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I just want to know if in the north the pipe will become frozen and cause a blockage back to the downspout because the water can’t escape the pop up emitter. Some feel it should exit down into a rock bed versus up into the lawn for this reason. Thoughts? Thanks
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Is the in line catch basin a must? Or does the popup and clean out and popup do the job, I have enough slope to to use just 10-15 ft of pipe.
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How often should we open the clean out and run a hose through it. I should’ve added stops through so I could use a shop vac. I may need to dig up and add some spots for that.
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Great points on running downspouts properly.
However I’m sure the homeowner isn’t too excited about someone emptying a clogged pipe full roof gravel in the lawn.
Thank you for watching
Our home is on a small and mostly level property. Our downspouts don't go into the ground. The area around the downspouts is the only place we get thick growth. Mostly weeds. Any ideas what we could do with that?
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Hi, how to catch and prevent shingle gravel and leaf getting down the pipe and end up with creating debris and blocking overall making system to fail?
Gotta covered brother
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Should the underground drain material be perforated with gravel below and above the tubing?
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For the downspout pipe. Could you use the corrugated pipe with the smooth inside and double wall
Yes
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What’s the pop up used for? How does water escape? Why not just daylight the pipe?
Also, doesnt the corrugation on the inside of the pipe catch debris, would a smooth walled interior of the pipe be better?
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I have two downspouts discharge onto a slope that is parallel with the side of my house. Can I install a pop-up at an angle? Or do I need to pipe it down the hill and into the flat section? Thanks for anyone’s help.
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I have a flat area where two side house downspouts empty. To find any slope I would need to go down the property line to all side the driveway but the town has laws where they want you to drain not to the sewers but onto your property. What is the best way to handle this? Right now I am draining onto a walkway that ends up onto the driveway. There must be a better solution
I find these laws to be a gray area. In most cities, towns, and villages, unless you know they are vigilant about fines, there's no reason why you can't run it to the storm drain anyway. When I represent a homeowner, I do what's in the best interest of my client and protect them from water damage. There are a couple of things that we do. I'll have to make some videos on it. Stay tuned. Once I had a city official tell me I wasn't supposed to do that, and I said okay, but I did so, now what? I don't often challenge authority, but as a licensed builder, I know that this is a gray area. My line stayed connected to the storm drain because there were no repercussions. It's not a code, state law, or in the residential code book for the United States. Sometimes they do enforce it, but I find that to be the exception, not the rule.
Isn't there a non-problematic way to prevent shingle gravel from entering the yard pipe in the first place? Not a leaf gutter guard, but some sort of filter at the top or bottom of downspout?
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I installed my own system several years ago. It drops underground maybe two feet and runs level before exiting through a retaining wall. My problem (living in Minnesota) is the frost. There’s always a mid winter thaw. The snow melts from the roof, runs underground and freezes when it hits the buried tube. It quickly backs up and floods the yard. It doesn’t thaw out in time for the spring rains and the flooding continues into late May. I installed an over the ground tube in the fall and the tube being black, remains open. This year I’m going to install an electrical cord that I’ll only have plug in when water is flowing in the winter. It remains to be seen if this will be the fix.
Keep us posted! I also live in a climate that gets really cold (in a part of Canada North of Minnesota), so I'm curious to see what my options might be when I get/build my own home!
Water isn't freezing two feet under the soil, it's probably an ice plug in the end of the pipe where it empties.
@@chillwill5080 Not necessarily. Where I live, the frost line can get well below 8 feet in a really cold winter.
Chill will: frost line in parts of Minnesota is 80 inches! Trust me, water at 2 feet will freeze if sluggish.
The problem has more to do with where the drain tile runs level, as you say, and less to do with the depth of the drain tile. Granted, parts of Minnesota are in Climate Zone 7, whereas French Drain Man operates in Climate Zone 5, so it probably IS colder where you are. The other factor is the cleanout. The reason this channel obsesses over the slope and cleanouts is BECAUSE THE DEBRIS inside the drain tile SLOWS DOWN THE WATER. Give it a decent pitch and keep it clean and the problem diminishes.
The deeper problem is the heat loss from your enclosure to the roof deck. That is causing the build up of enough ice from repeated melting and thawing (then damming up), so that when the thaw occurs, your roof is precharged with multiple inches of bulk water. Interestingly, you might think that more water will tend to clean out the drain tile than less water. But if that water is obstructed, then it will freeze and contribute to the buildup of the dam.
Every system interacts with other systems.
I have a slightly slanted flat roof where all the rain water drains thru the parapit wall and down into the basement through a cast iron pipe. I want to replace the cast iron pipe with PVC. Is this possible?
I never recommend directing rain water into a basement. Not even as a pass through. If this was allowed years ago it's probably no longer code.
4:50 why do you use fabric sometimes and not other times?
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Using a 24in wide bucket. What’s the minimum depth for French drain?
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Neighbor installs drain to drain onto my property so I build a retaining wall higher and backfill with heavy clay
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Is there a drainage company in Atlanta, GA you can recommend?
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What if you have a stainless steel mesh leaf guard on your gutters? Will that reduce this problem or prevent it?
No, because the tiny 'gravel' that comes off the shingles as they age is smaller than most leaf guard mesh.
You'd have to have something as small as window screen and you'd find that would clog up fast then you'd probably get water up under your shingles from an overflowing gutter. Had to repair several roofs that were damaged by exactly this, the homeowner put small opening mesh leaf guards on and cost thousands in repairs 3 to 5 years later.
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Ok but what if you don’t have the ideal terrain for this? I have the same situation as the “wrong” example here but on the side of my corner lot. No room to slope out and I can’t discharge on to the sidewalk anyways.
Run 3 inch it will increase the pressure
Do you recommend anyone in Seattle?
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Where do u buy this stuff at to do this job. I'm on limited budget and can't afford much but i have a drain problem.
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@@FRENCHDRAINMAN I can't access this site from the UK. Do you ship here?
What do you say to the guys who say don’t use corrugated pipe for downspouts only use PVC?
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Just dug out an put in some corrugated pipe. I have good slope an got the end of the drain far away from the house. I ran a test for the septic and i see that after about 10 pumps its gonna back up the pipe. What do i do to keep the water from just setting inside the pipe?
I was thinking digging a large hole maybe 3 foot an filling it with gravel but that still only will hold so much water. My yard has a lot of clay and floods a lot. So it seems instead of it flooding near the house its gonna flood out in the yard which doesnt seem like a real solution. To get to the road id have to go 90 degrees and another 100 foot to get the water to drain off. Im not sure i can do all that work. All i have is a shovel an my back lol.
Any suggestions? I might do a short video and post it here on YT. I will reply with a link. I have no choice but to bury the pipe but i might just leave the end open for now til i come up with some plan to deal with the water.
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@@FRENCHDRAINMAN Awesome! Im watching this video now. I dont think im able to do this job with a shovel lol. Thank you man.
For perspective this is what im dealing with.
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How much would a project like this cost? Seem fancy? 😊
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Cant the roofing material co. Put a stronger glue on the shingles .( gravel ) no im thinking that back east. Dont have no hundred yr. Roofs .
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What was that first grate connected to?
Why not show that fitting?
Why not show the extraction?
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Where do you run the downspouts to if your yard is flat (no or very little slope) ?
Thank you for asking this question. I will make you a video. Stay Tuned!!
Same situation here!!!!!!! I have a negative slope towards the house and a window well next to the gutter that’s filling with water!! Plus old roof with shingle pieces going into the downspout. Just bought this house but it’s a 23 yr old house :/
@@FixItWithMe You need a catch basin(s) to collect the water that connect to a sump pump located in the lower part of the area. The sump pump will only run when it gets enough water in its container. The pump would send water via a 1.5 inch pvc pipe underground to wherever you want it to discharge.
@@BOHICA_ do u mean a tile drain in the window well and attach it to the sump pump in the basement? I have a sump pump that is connected to a radon vent. And a French drain along the whole basement except for the wall where that particular window well is on. I think the French drain in the basement wall is connected to the sump pump, but I am not sure where this sump pump discharges to?
@@FixItWithMe You should not be putting a french drain next to a basement wall. I think you need about 2 feet separation.
Can you not run the pipe to the road and have the outlet embedded into the kerb face?
And let the local council/municipal drains deal with your problem ?
In that particular city no. They would have a field day with homeowner.
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