[OUTDATED] Operation Downfall (Every Day, 1945-1955)
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- čas přidán 23. 09. 2019
- This Video Shows An Insane Alternate History Of WW2 Where Operation Downfall Is Put Into Action.
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SOVIET CASUALTIES:
Sakhalin: 23,565
Kuril Islands: 8,645
Total: 32,210
Wounded: 24,058
KOREAN CASUALTIES:
Jeju-do: 3,094
Ulleung-do: 768
Total: 3,862
Wounded: 7,123
FAQ:
1. Why Didn't You Show The Chinese Civil War In Manchuria?
Answer: There Is No Point If You're Just Gonna See It In Manchuria, And It Has Nothing To Do With The War Against Japan
2. Do The Communists Still Win The Chinese Civil War?
Answer: Yes
3. Why Didn't The Soviets Invade Japan?
Answer: The Soviets Had Little To No Navy Or Landing Craft Enough For An Invasion Of The Japanese Home Islands And The USN Wasn't Gonna Lend Them Any
4. Why Did Operation Coronet Keep Getting Postponed?
Answer: Bad Weather And Japanese Civilians Destroying The Assets In Kyushu
5. Why Didn't The Japanese Surrender After Tokyo Fell?
Answer: It Didn't Matter If Tokyo Fell, The Japanese Would Fight To The Very End Even If They Had No Food Or Weapons
6. Why Didn't The Soviets Annex Manchuria?
Answer: There Was No Strategic Value In Annexing Manchuria And Even If The USSR Did, The Allies And The Chinese Would Not Be Happy About That
7. Is Korea Communist?
Answer: Yes
8. Why Didn't The Communists Just Send Aid To Japan To Start A Japanese Communist Party?
Answer: Japan Was Being Blockaded Throughout The War, And I Don't Believe That The USN Was Gonna Allow Any Supplies In From Any Foreign Powers, Especially The Communists
9. How Long Did It Take You To Make This
Answer: 10 Days - Krátké a kreslené filmy
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In some alternate universe, there is a video called: "what if operation downfall never happened"
With a lot of very sad comments about the millions of lives that could be saved if Japan surrendered in 1945
Yeah the universe where the US Goes for a bloody campaign Invading Mainland Japan
No way the video would be as good
@@ericaarcadia7178 yea
what a nutshell ever.
Imagine surviving the Rhine just to get killed in kāntō
ya lol
Or D-Day
@@antitiktokunion3894 the rhine was after d-day lmao
i think if you survived the rhine you would just be stationed in west germany, not be transferred to an entirely different theater
@@Your_Local_Target123 does it matter
Operation Downfall would have been the literal death of Japan. A modern Carthage
It shall remain forever a fractal history.
Nah, Japan would be starved and forced to surrender well before that point and the idea of every Japanese soldier and civilian fighting to the death is kinda ridiculous. The war would’ve ended in 1946, not in the 1950s - this scenario is fun but not realistic tbh
@@Condobius you do realize your talking about the most radical people at the time the japanese military was ready to fight to the death it was said that if downfall did happen it would have gone all the way to 47 stretching it 48 or 49 but i do agree that i doubt the war would have lasted till the 1950s then again this never happened so we will never know the truth.
@@EremisYamamoto That’s a complete and utter misconception, and even if they were “radical” that doesn’t matter if you’re too weak to fight from starvation lmao
@@JimJimWACA Why though? Do you think the Japanese are some borg-like people? The reality is that this is an outdated view on Japanese history made up based off of the experiences on a select number of islands where *the majority of the island was IJA* and they practically coerced the civilian populace into this. The reality on the mainland would be very different.
Also, you quite literally cannot “fight to the death” when starving in the first place lmao..
"If it wasn't for those damn Yanks, we could have cut the war by 10 years." - Jack Churchill in this alternate timeline, 1955.
If mad jack was part of this invasion and still had his sword, we could’ve had a sword fight between a Japanese officer with a katana and mad jack with a Scottish broadsword during WW2
@@oilybat3269 "getting into a fight" would imply his opponent would live long enough against him to fight him
Guaranteed: if the US invaded Japan, they would have done so alone.
what a nutshell ever.
@@joeyj6808 No I think Russia would have invaded the North. The Commies wanted as much territory as possible.
So a whole generation lost on both sides! Glad this didn't happen
Not just a generation for the Japanese - many generations. I doubt Japan would have ever recovered as a viable nation if this scenario happened. If the Japanese death count of nearly 17 million were accurate, that's nearly 25% of their 1945 population.
@@chad3232132 countries tend to have population booms after such severa losses, see how the republics of the USSR with orrendous casualties from German attack rebounded post-war.
@@Warsie that’s because of a strong leader
@@Prororo Germany had the same thing, strong leaders dont necessarily generate population, good policies do help with that though,
And Korea would have been entirely lost forever to the Communists. That's another takeaway I have. Ending the war against Japan in 1945 is what allowed us to save South Korea from Kim Il-Sung and Mao Zedong five years later. We really did get one of the best results possible under the circumstances.
if operation downfall happened, Shigetaka Kurita couldn't invent emoji then the Emoji Movie wouldn't exist in this world.
"We lost millions but in the end it was worth it".
Also, Japanese Game Devs and Companies won't Rise, The Resident Evil and Devil May Cry Franchises won't be Created and both Leon Kennedy, Chris Redfield, Dante and Vergil won't be Created as Fictional characters!
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@@MariusKennedy yeah, but that tops out of the potential cod and battlefield games : )
Would it really take 10 years? I’d think it would take 3 at most.. And the Soviets would most definitely invade Northern Japan.
I would most likely only take about 1 year to take japan and 2 years to destroy the last pockets. Japan is a resource poor country with little farmable land. Most of the population would starve in a few months. Plus if you add nukes to it yeah it definitely wouldn't take 10 years.
@@BlackWolf9988 But this scenario is when the US chose not to use nukes
@@leferraille7207 No, they used nukes there
@@leferraille7207 american firebombs did far more damage to the japanese than the nukes.
@Sometimes Blue Not true; Stalin had made plans to invade Hokkaido if Japan refused to surrender, but Truman forced him to back down in accordance with the 1943 Cairo Declaration.
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I think that WW2 would've gone on for longer, but it would ended some time between 1947 and 1949 rather than 1955. I also doubt that the USSR would have left the war, you know what Stalin was like, although maybe he would give up in the end if pressured enough. Good video though.
I think what would happen instead is that Stalin would invade the north releasing pressure on the Americans.
@@ProfTricky3168 Yes, it is likely that some sort of a puppet regime under Soviet guidance would have been installed in at least Hokkaido, if not also northern Honshu. However, I also am inclined to think this would not have occurred because the Russians would see the highly trained, better equipped, and better supported Americans getting pummeled by the weak, poorly trained Japanese irregulars as a bad sign of things to come. We must remember that Russia had just gotten out of the deadliest war in its history and was trying to lock down its western frontier (the later Warsaw Pact states) from rebelling. They didn't have the manpower or resources to spare for another mass invasion of, essentially, an ocean-bound fortress. Russia didn't have much of a navy at any point during WWII beyond its submarine fleet.
@@ProfTricky3168 I think the ussr would not join against the Japanese on there mainland (except for Korea and Manchuria like in our timeline) as the ussr is virtually weak cause of the Germans and even if they invade japan there would be lots of resistance and there only major bases in the area are Vladivostok and lots of the army and population is decimated in Europe and The Ussr would need to focus with Japanese insurgencies as the USA faced in the video and might need to face them in the near future if the communist regime in the north gets very oppressive.
Well, we see that the USSR got the whole of korea in this timeline, and with the US distracted in Japan maybe the Ussr could get more influence in other parts of the world, in Europe, Africa... Especially in Europe where it would be clear that the US could not defend against the USSR with so many troops bound in the east.. defentily a alternate history where a lot more could have changed.
Of course, in 1945, Russia had no navy, and no landing craft. Perhaps if they were supplied by the U.S., they might have invaded Hokkaido, or by 1947 or 48, they might have been able to build some landing craft and something of a navy.
If this invasion happened and Mad Jack Churchill took part, we could’ve had a sword fight during WW2. a Japanese officer with a katana and Mad Jack Churchill with a Scottish broadsword. That’d be fucken sick
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You deserve much more attention! This is well done!
How many time you want to be postponed?
Operation Coronet: YES
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This was very well done. Good job!
This scenario is outdated and a bit stupid, but for different reasons:
The war would have lasted very long, but not up to 1955. More than likely up to the end of the 1950s, to the beginning of 1951, would the Japanese eventually be killed to a sufficient amount that resistance would become controllable enough for the Americans to set up a Japanese Republic, though holdouts would certainly remain until 1955, possibly even in the 2000s.
The Japanese would have resisted the Soviet Advance only in the Manchurian Mountains and Korea. It is unrealistic for them to so suddenly collapse without the Emperor declaring his surrender - the Japanese only surrendered when the Emperor surrendered.
It is likely that in China, Japanese forces would eventually decide to do a last-ditch attack against the Communist forces, attempting to reconcile with the Nationalists in order to get them to attack both the Soviet Union and the Communist Chinese, forcing the Soviets to deploy more resources in an attempt to secure both China and Korea.
The Soviet Army would have enjoyed a blitzkrieg in Northern Manchuria, then suffered immensely, as they would have trudged through Southern Manchuria, China, and Korea - and the Soviets would then get engaged in a bloodbath on a scope similar to the Original Timeline Eastern Front.
The American Population would have likely still began to decline, or at least not grow substantially, due to Operation Downfall. Only by the 1950s would the USA see strong population growth.
A million Americans would have certainly died, there is no doubt about that. Possibly up to 2 million, though 3 million seems a bit too high. American Casualties in Operation Downfall would rival all combined German casualties in WW2. It would result in a miniaturized version of a generational gap that the Soviets had from the war against Germany.
The casualties for Japan are pretty realistic.
Japanese forces in Malaya would also have fought to the nail. The Allies would soon have to face off a multitude of new nationalist forces fighting for their homeland, inevitably, as result of Japanese Expansion. Japanese forces would ultimately not surrender and instead join these independence movements to continue the fight against the Allies.
Inevitably, the independence movements would succeed, and they would tie up further Allied resources.
The Soviets would manage to slowly but surely push the Japanese out of the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin. They might be able to invade Hokkaido, but an invasion of Tohoku would be impossible. Japanese Kamikazes would obliterate the Soviet Pacific Fleet, rendering the Soviets unable to operate without Allies support. Considering this possiblity, it is unlikely they would advance into Hokkaido.
Operation Downfall would result in the Allied Navies losing more ships than in any previous Pacific campaign. Thousands upon thousands of Kamikazes would be sent to destroy them, alongside suicide torpedoes, Suicide Submarines, and whatever the Japanese would throw at them.
The Japanese would only begin to run out of willpower by 1949.
An attempt to stop Japanese reinforcements from reaching Korea in order to better defend against the Soviets and a potential Allied Invasion would fail horrendously - a second Tsushima in which both a typhoon and thousands of Kamikazes, as well as the remnants of the IJN, would make such a task impossible, at least until 1947.
Of course, it is unlikely that the Japanese would be able to hold onto Korea for as long as in Japan. By the end of 1947 they would likely lose Korea, with it being partitioned between the Soviets and the Allies - with the Allies occupying most of it instead.
For anyone who believes in the delusion that Japan would fall by 1946 or by 1947, you have clearly forgotten the failures of American forces in Vietnam and Afghanistan. Attacking Mountains is suicidal.
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great analysis but why would´ve the soviets suffered in south manchuria and china? lack of supply?
@@Nihilistic_Soul In Southern Manchuria, it would be the mountainous territory that would be the issue. Lack of supply could be somewhat of an issue in this region, albeit due to the proximity of bases such as Vladivostok, and the potential to obtain areas such as Port Arthur (though likely through a brutal siege that as most could last a year, at least 2 to 3 months), supply in Southern Manchuria could be more easily repaired.
As for China, it is potentially unrealistic for the Soviets to actually force the entirety of China to be forced under Communist rule. It is possible that some regions - certainly Manchuria, and potentially Xinjiang and maybe even Inner Mongolia - could be forcefully taken into Soviet Rule, but taking any region beyond that is likely going to inflict casualties that the Soviets could simply no longer afford. The Soviets had experienced unbelievable casualties against the Germans, and they outnumbered them - a full scale, total war against Nationalist China could be suicidal to the Soviets - potentially even resulting in an early collapse.
Whilst the Nationalist Chinese would have been weary - they would still have around 5 to 6 million men. The Soviets could potentially be facing an army of around 6 to 7 Million men (Chinese and Japanese included) against their Manchurian Army of 1.5 to 1.6 million. Due to nearly 5.7 million men already stationed to potentially defend against the Allies's combined army of 4 million, if the Soviets tried to move more men into Siberia to then reinforce and potentially attack China, then i could see a lack of supply then contributing to Soviet impotence. The ideal scenario if Operation Downfall did occur - for Soviet influence in China - is to obtain Xinjiang, Manchuria, and have Inner Mongolia be given to their Mongolian allies - realistically, they would have only directly taken Manchuria, and likely integrate it into the Soviet Union, if they wish to cut back losses.
As a result, it is more likely that Japanese forces in Korea will succumb to American naval invasions - and it is possible that Korea may infact be united under the Allies, though a lopsided partition in which the Soviets only get the very north and the Americans get the rest is more likely.
@@Nihilistic_Soul Also, the Americans would likely have to maintain a constant military presence in Japan to fight off against Imperial guerillas. It would likely replace the Vietnam War in essence, and could potentially result in an American evacuation after around 30 to 40 years, similarly to how the Americans eventually evacuated Vietnam. The Empire would regain a significantly weaker Japan that lacks Sakhalin, Okinawa, and the Kuril Islands, and most certainly turn isolationist.
@@Nihilistic_Soul Of course, this depends on if the Emperor lives, and if the Allies are willing to have Japan remain an Empire.
If they are willing to have Japan remain an Empire, and the Emperor declares surrender, it is likely that Japan could still surrender, potentially by 1947 at earliest, 1948 to 1949 at latest. In this ideal timeline, China would remain mostly Nationalist, Korea is under an anti-communist Republic, and Japan could still get to experience its Economic Miracle.
...But if they are not willing to accept Japan remaining an Empire, and don't even want a constitutional Monarchy...then the Allies will ultimately have to occupy Japan and attempt to force it into a republic, resulting in Japan practically becoming a place in which Americans are sent to die, until inevitably, they lose the will to occupy Japan, and evacuate after around 20 years (to the 1960s to 1970s), to potentially even in the 2000s. It happened in Vietnam in our timeline, it happened in Afghanistan in our timeline, and if Operation Downfall occurred in such a way, then it would definitely happen in Japan - with a humiliating Fall of Tokyo.
In that horrific scenario, in which the Allies attempt to force Japan into a Republic, Japan would become the Afghanistan of East Asia - with FAR more brutality and deaths.
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TheTerrorByte hey man, I love your content! I loved all ur WW3 scenarios and your Iran video! Can’t wait to see what you have planned.
A total of 14 years of warfare with Japan? The Japanese wouldn’t even been able to produce enough rifle ammunition by mid 1946. Besides did everyone in the United States go off the deep end with blood thirstiness. It’s not very well thought out.
SGT MAYHEM they would fight with what they have
They made guns that were made of one block of wood a barrel and a trigger for the homeguard should Japan be invaded
@@Bruh-hq1hx They'd still be worthless without ammo
@@virgiljianu7166 yes but some of those just needed gunpowder and a metal object small enough so they could extend how long they have ammo
@@Bruh-hq1hx I see your point,but I still think they wouldn't be too efficient in the long run.
In this universe the invasion would’ve wiped out so many people that the baby boom wouldn’t nearly be as large as it is in our timeline
That would have been a crazy war, a Pre-Vietnam war, good job on both sides for not trying to elongate the war. Good job to the Americans for deciding to push back on the operation and plan, and thanks to the Japanese to deciding to surrender.
And Thanks to the Americans for rebuilding Japan under better circumstances.
@Pat Hat economics does not work that way mate.
You need strong trading partners to help your own economy. Yes you can invest that money into USA instead. But the American economy would not grow as rapidly as a result, as the USA was benefitting by loaning the Japanese, Korean and western European countries and trading with them.
Japan had a large industry and the people quickly rebuilt most of the industrial base allowing ot to compete economically on the world stage.
Let's take Germany for example. Germany before the war was the second largest industrial power in the world after the United States, and Germany was the first largest Scientific and Industrial power of the world which was mostly thanks to the already established institutions and great minds of the German Empire/Prussia, Weimer Republic and the Holy Roman Empire were German physicists, chemists, engineers and biologists dominated the scientific and technological fields while their musicians dominated the classical romantic era period of music.
The nazis only got lucky with the fact they started out in a country like Germany and despite that the nazis caused a huge brain drain in Germany in which a lot of German scientists left the country in mass because they held either communist sympathies, didn't agree with the government policies or were Jewish with Einstein being one of the famous German Jews to leave, he was in the USA when the nazis took power and he was the one that convinced the American president Roosevelt to start work on the nuclear bomb since Einstein believed the Germans would easily be able to make one, the German scientist named Heisenberg had just discovered nuclear fission in 1939 right before the war broke out, nuclear fission is the process of large atoms splitting into smaller ones releasing lot'sof energy this can be utilised for nuclear fission reactors for energy in which the chain reaction is controlled or it could be used for nuclear/atomic bombs in which the chain reaction is left uncontrolled. The nazi government however didn't give any potions of authority for heisenberg to seriously work on the atomic project as Hitler believed atomic science is Jewish science.
After the war had ended Roosevelt and the American foreign Secretary Henry Morgenthau had plans to deindustrialise Germany's main industrial center the Ruhr-Rhine region, turning the 2nd most industrialised country in the world into an agrarian society. The estimated death toll would've reached atleast around 25,000,000 (25 million) deaths mostly from starvation. The was called the Morgenthau Plan, this was the main plan the U.S. government was following through with and great lengths were taken for it to remain secret, it had been leaked before in 1944 by an American who disagreed with it causing German soldiers to fight a lot harder and played into the nazi propaganda that the allies were out there to murder every German man, woman and child, Truman changed it in 1948 after realising the consequences of such a plan. As the plan was extremely hampering the recovery of all the European countries after the war, since Germany had always been the nucleus that powered most of Europe, ontop of that lot's of famine in Europe made it hard to feed the population there, so the plan was canceled to allow a proper recovery of the European economies so they would not fall to communism one by one.
The plan was also cancelled, since the plan could easily backfire so badly that it could cause the re-emergence of the nazis in Europe at a large scale, since after 25 million Germans would starve to death it would basically confirm the nazis propaganda that the allies were trying to wipe off Germany from the nap since the very beginning, and it would muddy the waters so much on who was actually the evil and good that Hitler would be martyred and nazis seen as heroes and a large guerilla warfare in the centre of europe with a population several times larger than Afghanistan who would use the forests and mountains to wage guerilla war in a already exhausted conflict since they are fighting for their lives.
The Germans in the allied occupation zones would probably also look at the Soviets with much more favourable eyes since atleast they give abit of food unlike the allies which would drag the Germans to the Soviets side.
Overall the effects of all these would mean a much much weaker American economy that would no longer have large customers in Germany and elsewhere and it would also mean the Germans are now on the soviet side instead of being mostly against them.
Countries like China would be a lot more stronger in this timelime than it already is, the soviet position would also be a lot better though the famines would also have a bit of destabilising effect on the Soviet Union especially the large guerilla war in the middle of europe though the USA would be the most effected by this.
Overall Truman instead went with Marshall plan which gave aid to nearly all the recovering counties except for the Eastern bloc nations of Hungary, Poland, East Germany, Czechslovakia, Romania and Bulgaria.
France and Great Britain received the greatest amount of money from the Marshall plan France alone received twice the amount of money West Germany received despite west Germany being 90% more destroyed, Italy received also alot of money after France and Britain. What allowed Germany who received a lot less money than Britain and France to recover very quickly and overtake the British and zfrench economies in no time was again due to the already established German institutions and laws that were present since the times of the German Empire and the Holy Roman Empire. This along with a genius masterminding the German economics allowed zgermany to quickly become the second largest economic power in the world like it was before.
Depsite the UK and France receiving a lot more money they didn't see nearly as much success with their economies.
Germany and Japan managed to dominate the world markets along side the United States their main ally and trading partner, all 3 benefitted each other, as the USA would be able to sell lot's of stuff to West Germany and Japan whi had the economies to be able to afford to purchase that giving the USA a good revenue, meanwhile the Soviet Union had taken East German factories away back into the Soviet Union as war reparations, and during the height of the cold war East Germany and the other eastern bloc countries couldn't really compete like West Germany, Britain, Italy or Japan could.
South Korea was actually very poor and ruled by a dictatorship during the Korean wars and even well into the cold war, it was only recently that South Korea managed to go through an economic miracle and become an extremely rich and important industrialised powerhouse for it's small size.
At the current moment China is quickly taking position as a global economic superpower that rivals the United States after the USA made China it's new main partner over Japan. This has helped China and also the USA to grow immensely in economic power but has also heavily tied their economies to one another so if either one of them goes to war then it would destroy both their economies.
That's just how economies work, it's also why Germany tried to integrate Russia into a European economy so that there wouldn't be a war between them, since im the German perspective if two economies are really closely linked then war between them would destroy their economies thus making it extremely unprofitable for both sides to go to war with each other. However Russia has decided to invade Ukraine which have put such a solution to war downhill.
In my opion all world economies should still be very heavily connected as it still has proven to work great with the Ukraine war being an unfortunate exception where Russia has invaded Ukraine due to the fear of the new Ukrainian oil and gas fields competing with Russian gas exports to Europe which would destroy Russia's economy.
The ones to suffer are the Ukrainians civilians due to this geopolitical mess unfortunately.
Thanks to the Japanese were deciding attack on Pearl Harbor
Thanks to the US decided nuclear strike on japan.
Fun fact, the speech that Hirohito gave to end the war, not once did he utter the word surrender.
Great video!
Thanks!
Mistake At 1:03, Sakhalin Was Supposed To Be Black
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what a nutshell ever.
If this had happened. I guarantee there would be no anime.
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We could only wish.
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Fun fact: if the Invasion of japan would have happened the japanese homeguard would be using something called the national defense rifle a very cheap weapon that would have been given to conscripts and was made of bascily cardboard/wood a Barrel and trigger and each workshop was given a copy and were to produce their own versions resulting in versions looking like a rifle in the Form of a Grenade launcher,miniature stairs with a Barrel,looking kinda like a rifle and even versions that didn't even use cased ammo but were muzzle loaded with gunpowder
Epic job!
Amazing!
Not gonna lie but your war slides looks the best
So Japanese forces in Southeast Asia weren't killed off until 1955 in this scenario? Those holduts must be pretty resilient
Technically there were Japanese holdouts in southeasts Asia IRL til the 70’s
This channel is amazing, only gripe is the absurdly stretched timelines for both this and the Iran scenario with conventional wars lasting over ten to twenty years for a single series of campaigns. But the effort is S tier.
Great one!
Nice vid, thanks. I don't see it taking 10 years by any stretch. Within Japan anger at the military was pretty strong by most of the non-military population. They weren't stupid, people knew the war was over w/the Army & Navy were fighting for emperor & 'their honor'. Our PSYOP program was getting success in Okinawa towards the end & the methods of attacking pillboxes & strong points got better. The Imp Army stripped the home front & Manchuria of the best units & sent them to die in Guadacanal, Siapan, Leyte, etc. With the additional armor units coming in from Europe they'd have more punch than Okinawa. No question of the cost though it could have been brutal.
Good Work
This is really well done but I don’t know of Japan would have been let off that easy considering the price payed
America did not let the attack on Pearl Harbor slide. They went all in and won
The middle part of Japan was hard to invade because it’s mountainous, but one of the snowiest places on earth with lots of mountains (Hokkaido) and the Allies trample it as if it were nothing?
Unless they were robots or can take the cold like the Russians I doubt they would say it was very easy.
The difference there is that Hokkaido has a very low population relative to Honshu. In 1945, the population of Hokkaido was only 3,518,000. I couldn't find any information on the population of Honshu that same year, but I would estimate it at roughly 50 million. Furthermore, Hokkaido wasn't particularly loyal to Japan due to the imperial government having Hokkaido at a lesser legal status than its contemporaries.
@@daikolirae155 You don't need that many people to defend a snowy mountainous place. The population of Finland during the winter war was 3.6 million but they were still able to hold off the Soviets. In addition, Hokkaido produces much more food than its own population, meaning it can house the soldiers who retreat from Honshu. Civilians can also fill Hokkaido in swelling the population up to 12 million or something, which might be enough Honshu people for Hokkaido to be loyal.
I think at this point Japan’s ability to fight is crippled by the time the Allies reached Hokkaido, I mean they’ve lost the rest of their mainland and I’d imagine it’s hard to produce any arms when most of your factories are in enemy hands.
Well, the Japanese would probably allocate a lot of resources and manpower in Honshu being the homeland of Japan. Hokkaido would probably be less considered and wouldn't get as much defenses as it probably should.
Even when things start going bad for the Japanese, those soilders in Hokkaido certainly wouldn't be getting reinforcements, supplies ,or pay. In our timeline, America had already destroyed the Japanese fleet by 1945 and had complete country of the skies by '45 as well. So those soldiers in Hokkaido would have pretty low morale and a lack of resources to build up an effective defense; Plus the Allies took the main bulk of the region during the spring and summer. It wouldn't be like the winter war:part 2
What happened to the Islands in the Pacific occupied by Japan and Indo-China?
They Were All Liberated Or Surrendered
SoulChester can you show an extra map for those places.
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Sino Japanese war 1 and 2 with result china win
@@tacoenandreas_is_tacoen That is unrealistic and it's not logically possible to be honest
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Well THAT pushed me back in my chair. On the one hand it came as a complete surprise, on the other it's completely obvious in retrospect.
Tfw I realize my grandfather who was a pilot in the pacific during ww2 would have fought and probably died in this war meaning I, nor most of my relatives on my moms side of the family would exist
Should’ve been named “Operation Sunset”
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Imagine being like 10 years old when Germany surrenders in 1945 but still being drafted and sent to Japan at the end of WW2
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Operation Ichi-Go is an operation conducted by the Japanese Army on the Chinese mainland from April 17th to December 10th, 1944 during the Sino-Japanese War.
It was the last major offensive of the Japanese Army, which caused the National Revolutionary Army to be hit hard and affected during the Chinese Civil War. However, on the other hand, the United States is also mediating the conclusion of the Double Tenth Agreement with Chiang Kai-shek in order to avoid a civil war.
According to a study by Barbara W. Tuchman, the results of this operation had a more significant impact on the subsequent war situation than the Japanese had imagined, and had a decisive impact on Japan's fate. According to it, Franklin Roosevelt has consistently strongly trusted and supported Chiang Kai-shek since the beginning of the war, and encouraged him in the war against Japan so that he would not drop out of the Allies in a single peace with Japan during the Cairo Conference. However, he said that he changed his mind because the front of Chiang Kai-shek collapsed due to this operation. In fact, Chiang Kai-shek has not been invited to important Allied conferences ("Yalta Conference" and "Potsdam Conference") since then.
According to the Stilwell document, Roosevelt said, "Can China win?" Stilwell said, "There is no choice but to eliminate Chiang Kai-shek." During the 1944 Hengyang battle, he could not sleep at night and twice. He says he thought about suicide. The American side also planned to assassinate Chiang Kai-shek, and three methods of "poisoning", "aircraft incident", and "pretending to be suicide" were considered, but it was canceled in 1944 due to changes in the international situation such as Burma. The successor that the United States envisioned is Sun Fountain.
As Roosevelt's Chief of Staff George Marshall and General Joseph Stilwell have long insisted, Chiang Kai-shek's army is actually a demoralized and corrupt organization that does not form an army. It became clear that he had no desire or ability to fight with the United States and other Allied forces.
As a result, President Roosevelt changed the scenario of the operation against Japan from the conventional bombing of Japan and other countries from the air bases of mainland China to the one that MacArthur and others claimed to occupy the islands of the Pacific Ocean one after another.
China was dismissed at the Yalta Conference, and the Allied nation's footsteps were disturbed, with angry Chiang Kai-shek presenting a peace plan to Japan against the will of the United States.
The Japanese Operation Ichi-Go attack left the National Revolutionary Army with 750,000 casualties. This caused the Kuomintang to lose to the Communist Party in the civil war. China would not have been dominated by the dictatorship Communist Party if it had made peace with Japan and cooperated in protecting it from communism.
A lost generation wouldn't describe it
Also ten days to make this?Do you sleep?
I want to make a mini series like band of brothers and the pacific. But about this military operation.
It would be a cool alternate spin off of ww2
Why would Russia exit the war when Stalin promised USA to help them invade Japan?
The US probably would’ve realized Stalin would just spread his totalitarian communism to Japan, so they decided to allow the Russians to stay out of the war.
Impossible...
USA are not the Soviet Union (or, to be honest - they are not mad), they wouldn`t fight Japan to the absolutely capitulation for the principles. Especially with the hundreds of nukes and (1955, isn`t it?) H-bombs.
They weren`t able to beat Viet Cong, what to say about Japan...
this is alternate history and this is diferent than vietam. there's more countries helping and the us probabley wouldn't surrender in this kind of war
Exactly. This would be Vietnam on super steroids, not something the US would want to fight at the end of a war. They would probably arrange a peace treaty, and be done with it
Vietnam wasn’t total war, and the reason why the US lost in Vietnam was for political reasons, the anti-war hippie movement, etc. That would be like me saying “it’s so weird how the USSR beat Germany, even though they lost in Afghanistan”
@@_recipeh no lol the reason the troops din't care about vietam and it was cuase they didn't even support it and no this war would prolly be fought till the last man since the japanese did attack unlike vietam
I don't think WW2 is ended in 1955 but for me its somewhere in 1947 and early 1948 if the Japanese using the same tactics to defend they homeland (kamikaze) but when you see ABA pacific fleet they surely conquer the skies bombing many city in japan just like dresden which use fire bomb which is effective.
Don't forget the Soviets in the east
I don't think usa would try and take all of japan considering it would take this many casualtys, in real life scenario i think usa will just destroy it's navy and air force and a couple more things and leave it alone, instead of trying to occupy all of japan. As i believe it's just not worth it.
For Japan, They keep not surrender what ever the cost. Even they starvation without anything left to death they will not surrend. They are stubborn that make high command in u.s military to decide to drop nuke on 6 or more center city for Japanese military HQ. Still not surrend? U.S finally launch that operation, like or not
@@fazrananda9238 US can still starve them and invade when people start fighting with swords and rocks
doesnt seem like the war situation developed to japans advantage...
I think to myself, if this scenario had actually happened, I might never have been born, since my father most certainly would have been fighting over there.
Interesting but this way overestimate both American patience and Japan's ability to continue war passed '45.
With virtually no Navy and no air power, Japan would have been in no position to prevent multiple landings. Perhaps it could have held off for a year or two, but the attrition over the next decade wouldn't have allowed this to continue.
Good work
If the Emperor was dead and the military running the show, the US would have nuked Tokyo as their land invasion started. They had a third nuke on the way, and would definitely have used it against the top military to cause disarray.
this is unrealistic, you supposed the Soviets would just sit out and watch the US grabbing territories? It would be like Germany, at the very least the island of Hokkaido and the Northeast Honshu would be taken by the Soviets.
"Comrades, today you're going to invade Hokkaido with rowing boats and canoes. Don't worry, the only reason the Americans are getting pummeled by the Japanese because they're capitalists."
who says the Soviets are not taking in other places when the US is fighting in Japan? with the US Busy in Japan, the Soviets could turn the north of Iran into a puppet.
Imagine losing three million men and then not taking any territory
Theres no reason tho... The Japanese islands are reasourcless
It was almost painful to watch, because if the U.S. had invaded, I think it would have taken that long, with that many casualties, to fully occupy Japan. Although, if the Emperor were dead, well, I don't know. A very well done alternate history.
Japan would have starved to death prior to most of the battles happening. Several historians suggest that if the mining campaign would have started earlier that Japan may have been forced to surrender prior to the A bombings.
They will choose to death in starved or anything rather than to surrender, even u.s still nuke in 13 city, Japanese will not surrender if the emperor still command to keep war for the invader.
I like this version more I like the idea of never giving up
i’m in college and i suck at geography so this is important and helpful
@Mary Pham who is your son?
@Mary Pham lmao
@Mary Pham yes asian ling ling
This is alternate not real history
Is this historically accurate? Probably a stupid question...
cool
WW2 ended in 17 August 1955, in our REAL timeline Indonesia declare independence on the same date but 10 years earlier (1945) and the war ended in september
7:50 We must need a Lord Nobunaga here!!!!!!
Good video, but there's no way the invasion would have dragged past 1948, as deadly as it would have been
Japan would NOT have lasted that long. The Japanese economy was on the verge of collapse in 1945 and their food was running out. It wouldn't have even been 1947 by the time their resources run out so that they literally could no longer fight
Uhm wait what the hell? I'm not hating but the soldiers will not kill the Emperor because they are fighting for the Emperor and His Majesty. nice video tho. keep it up.
If they were tired and de- moralised, then they would if Hirohito never announced peace negotiations.
*wait I read it wrong, Oops!
They probably thought of him as a false emperor at that point
personally i think that the soldiers would've held the emperor hostage and forced him to not surrender
Well we don't know Japanese doesn't know surrender they fight until death.
Italy: Dead
Germany: Dead
Japan: Autistic Screaming.
Great work! I'm happy to see that you wrote 'East Sea'!
Minor mistake: It's O'kh'otsk :P
Can you make
Sino Japanese war 1 and 2 with result china victory
If Operation Downfall happened, me, my sister, my father and his relatives wouldn’t exist on this earth today as my grandma Chieko who was in Fukuoka, Kyushu in 1945 would’ve been forcefully conscripted to fight in the defense of Kyushu (Operation Ketsu-gō) along with her family. The only reason why me, my father and my family exist today is because of the surrender of Japan.
Glad the invasion didnt happe
@@teamok1025 Japan’s population would’ve still been recovering from the bloody genocide of operation downfall to this day as of 2023 😢
@@Jedi382 And we will might dont have good tech and phone that we have now
Who do you think is president and emperor in this timeline?
Nice vid but I think between 1946-1949 the Japanese would surrender
You're so underrated
I watched the video thinking this all happened in real life lol
"Or, how I stopped worrying and learned to love the Bomb".
Imagine surviving this bloody war
The soundtrack in this video is the same one that is used in MV Estonia Sinking videos. Very Weird.
Wasn’t the idea to invade Tokyo first?
It would not have taken 10 years. It would have taken three at the most. There's no way that MacArthur would not have tried what he would eventually do at Inchon.
One Bloody Coup by IJA would eventually have signed the death for Japan.
Their were parts of the Japanese military so fanatical that in August 45 a group tried to stop the Emperor's surrender broadcast.
Good.
That's alright because Hirohito should wait for Itagaki's counter attack
what a nutshell ever.
10 years to invade Japan, seriously? Come on...
this is a complete joke video
Expecting heavy casualties, the US produced 500,000 purple heart decorations to honor the injured.... with the invasion cancelled, it took decades until they gave away all the badges.
So if we done this ww2 will last 10 more years
this video in 4 words:
"operation coronet is postponed"
Everybody gangster till the mountains start speaking Japanese
After that japan will be annex and became a special state of the US, the emperor will still handle the military but the Gov will be of US, nisei American-Japanese.
Shanghai Incident → On the Japanese side, the Chinese army near the Commercial Press at 10:30 am first attacked the Japanese military position at the intersection of Yokohama Road and Toyama Road, so they responded, and then at 5 pm in the direction of Hachijibashi. Enemy bombed West Hachiji Bridge, Yangji Road Bridge, and Yanagi Road Bridge, so fighting → China's first strike → China's violation of the Paris Warless Treaty
Shanghai Incident → At around 10:30 am, the Chinese army near the Commercial Press → Suddenly started shooting with a machine gun at the Japanese military position → China's violation of the Paris Warless Treaty
Shanghai Incident → China's first strike
→ The Japanese Marines responded, but made efforts to avoid engagement as much as possible based on the non-expansion policy, limited to defensive tactics so that the battle area did not expand to the international area, and Chinese military aircraft flew low. Although it flew, the Japanese Marines did not fire anti-aircraft fire. → Japan's right to self-defense
8:07 Soviet casualities is mess than Japan and Allies casualities
Where did they get all of their guns, aircraft, artillery, and anti-tank weapons to do all of this? How did they make the bullets they needed? This makes no sense from an industrial perspective. You are not going to compete with the USA using a homemade "National Defense Rifle" or hand-to-hand combat.
The purpose of Japan's war with China was not territorial ambition, but the eradication of the anti-Japanese movement and the reconciliation of the three countries of Manchuria and China. As US diplomat George Kennan said, the US mistakenly eliminated Japan's influence, resulting in the Soviet threat, communism of dictatorships in China and North Korea. The fact that the United States accidentally dropped the atomic bomb by sticking to the unconditional surrender of the Japanese army without listening to Japan's claim resulted in a cold war with the Soviet Union, communism, and China's dictatorship. As a result of excluding Japan, the United States will fight the Korean War. As a result of the United States and Britain mistakenly hunting down Japan, Japan collapsed its Western colonies with the aim of self-defense and liberation of Asia. The collapse of the Western colonies has realized peace through free trade and coexistence and co-prosperity through economic development. Currently, the threat of the Chinese Communist Party is threatening the world and Taiwan. The United States, Japan, Europe and Asia are protecting freedom, democracy and peace from the threat of the Chinese Communist Party.
baseless propaganda. Japan committed war crimes in china.
Missed the opportunity of the Soviet invasion of Hokkaido
Well They Don't see Asian That Profitable..
US just dropped the Hiroshima and Nagasaki Atomic bomb, they didnt surrendered, US invades mainland Japan, 1949 USSR tested their first Nuclear Bomb, 1951 USSR nuked Japan, 1955 the war ends
When East Sea:
Are you Korean?
Interesting and a fun video. I just don't see:
A)the Japanese having enough resources to fight very hard for very long and
B) the US people didn't have the political will to endure many more casualties by 1945.
Still, I love a good alt-history, so thanks!!!
The Consequences This would have for the World would Be Immense. The loss Of Millions Of Young American Soldiers Fighting In Japan and the loss of potentially up to 10 Million Men Both American And Japanese would be Tragic. It would truly frighten the nation and have its affects. Mainly The Baby Boomer Growth In America And The West Never Happening due to more American Men needed for the Asian Theatre. The Soviets Would also have much time to Capitalise On American Distraction And Creating Nuclear Bombs And Being Able To Rebuild Eastern Europe. This would also mean Korea As Indicated In this video is under Full Communism as with America focusing on Japan They'd never be able to focus on Korea Letting The Democratic People's Republic Of Korea Take Full control Of Korea Under the Kim Dynasty. The People's Republic Of China would be fully established in 1947 Instead of 1949 due to the aforementioned American Focus On Japan. This would also Allow Truman to win in a landslide in 1948 and not be remembered as the president who failed in Korea And did Nothing Much About Civil Rights. But the President Who Tried To end WW2. This of course may not happen in his presidency as he may lose in the 1952 Election To someone like Dewey (if he dosen't run in 1948 because he'd be able to understand he'd lose so Stassen would lose) Or Eisenhower. But This Varies. After American Victory In Japan They'd Have To Rebuild Japan which would probably not even be recovered today. The Death Of Stalin Would still happen and Nikita Khrushchev Would Still Come Into Power Nonetheless. There is a high chance Kennedy Or Nixon would die in Japan As Like His brother Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. JFK may die in a accident or at war. Europe would also be poor as Without the Marshall Plan West Berlin may starve and The Soviets would promote movement to the warsaw pact. Britain would mainly dominate in Europe Until 1960 with America Busy. Overall This war would be even worse if Japan Never Surrendered and if it didn't some of us may have never existed.