"mixed used development" is an American term refering to what Europe and the rest of the world would normally call "development", because over the Atlantic, having a small business like a café in a residential neighborhood is something special and abnormal. So if you have to use the term "mixed use development" over here, it will turn out pretty much like described in the video.
Sometime when there was a small unplanned hamlet, you can see a single building zoned as commercial because the local store was there before the city ruiners arrived with their plans to demolish the town. Then the store eventually dies because USAnians go by car anyway, and it is rezoned as residential.
Depends how you define respectable , Many people considered "eastenders" as "salt of the earth" the best of all people, "suit n tie" types were regarded with suspicion and far from "respectable", in some circles, as you pointed out , they still are , not without good reason.
In the last years of its life before demolition for the ELL Extension in the early years of the new millennium,the semi-derelict remains of the goods station were used as a market and the public got to look around what had previously been fenced off. The roadways within were cobbled,with plenty of reminders of its former use...rails and pointwork,wagon turntables,capstans etc.
Oh Sadiq just like you betrayed the Tooting Post Office workers even when they had prepared the celebrations! How wonderful the market would have been.
Been searching for pictures of this era ever since. Exploring the market in those tunnels and beyond was absolutely pivotal in my childhood. Wish I'd thought to capture it at the time, but didn't. Please reach out if you happen to have anything which depicts it
After 14 years, I left London in 1988. Watching your videos, I'm taken back to the city, and reminded of a deep love that resides in me for "London stock" bricks, and the Dickensian corners I passed through in my years on the Underground. "When you're tired of London, you are tired of life".
Some time in the early 70s for some reason trans could not get in to Liverpool Street and we were turfed off onto the Bishopsgate Low Level platforms (remnants of which can still be seen as you pass). I quite vividly remember climbing the long, narrow stairs up from the platform and a walkway of what then passed for safety barriers - scaffolding poles set in barrels of sand - over the derelict top then another stair down to exit through the main gate onto Shorditch High Street. It was almost certainly a Sunday Morning and we were almost certainly on our way to Crufts Dog Show at Olympia. But it only happened to me that once and I can't imagine that it happened often at all given the parlous state of the station at the time.
Yes, I can confirm that something happened at Liverpool Street that stopped local trains from Shenfield entering. Whatever it was affected the rush hour as well and recall using the Central line to Stratford to get home again. We were reduced to a tidal wave of humanity trying to get up the derelict stairs and then wondering where to go once deposited in the street!
Had I seen the ruins post fire and not knowing the local railway history, I would have assumed they were from the 1939-45 unpleasantness. Thank you, M. Hazzard for the history lesson.
Used to park underground at Bishopsgate goods station 27 years ago. It was very dark and eerie, but the huge magnificent arches in the ceilings never failed to impress. The level of craftsmanship needed was impressive.
I worked on Bishopsgate for 20 years and seen it change ( and Spread out ) The City ( for me ) used to end once you walked past Liverpool street Station ( before it was developed - Entrance and ticket office used to be at the top of the stairs on Bishopsgate itself ) and pass a shop called Great Eastern Electrical , then there was a pub and then the east end ! . Shoreditch used to be run down , not now . I was born in Mile end and lived many years in Bow...so have seen some of the changes. I remember the goods yards on Reeves road , by St Andrews hospital. Another Great Video Jago
Seeing the Shoreditch span there made me think that the East London Link project would be a good topic. I can't remember when it was proposed, but it felt like it took several eons to even get started. Turned out lovely in the end, though, so there's an antidote to Bishopsgate.
My great-great-grandparents' pub, the 'Fighting Cocks' 43 St John Street, was demolished to make way for the line into Liverpool Street. St John Street ran alongside and to north of the Bishopsgate Station viaduct where the Liverpool Street line loops to the north before diving underneath the Bishopsgate Station tracks. A small section of St John Street remains and is now called Grimsby Street.
Same here, my paternal great great grandparents lost their home in Acorn Street due to the GER extension to Liverpool Street. As far as I'm aware no part of Acorn Street exists today.
@@michaelgreen1515 It certainly was. It's name was changed from St John Street to Grimsby Street at the time of the Liverpool Street extension when most of St John Street was built over for the extension. Before the extension some of the St John Street addresses were beneath the viaduct including where my great-grandfather had his business.
@@grey8biker must have been something. Some of my family went up to London with the GER as horsemen as they needed people to work the shunting and goods yards. I often wondered if that was why they lived in Mare St of if that was a coincidence. Perhaps Mr J Hazzard could enlighten us?
Mostly what I take from this is that, after over half a century, I'm finally down with the cool kids, get to be in Jago's club AND talk about trains. Mr Hazzard, you have achieved Impossible things.
I'm an aussie, but I lived in london for 6 months in 2018, near old st. I love your channel, and almost squealed with excitement when I saw this vid. I love learning about the history of the parts of london I fell in love with. My jaw dropped when the picture at 3.26 made me realise why Great Eastern Street is called that!
Yet another fascinating video, thank you Mr H. And even if a tad down-beat at the end, still all part of London's (and especially the City's) history. Ta, Simon T
I remember going into Liverpool street from (then) Lower Edmonton many times in the late 50's & 1960's. There was a choking smell that always filled the carriages at Cambridge Heath. I think it was a shoe polish factory. When the train reached the tunnels into Liverpool street you had to close up the windows because of the thick smoke. Those were the days.
Wow… I remember the fire, was it really 1964? My dad was the licensee at the Cock Tavern in Fleet Street and as a kid often went there on Saturday in our new Hillman Minx. The aftermath was awesome, and still smouldering and visible from the route we took. Thanks for that one Jago, this recalls one of my very earliest memories…. like it was yesterday!
I like Fenchurch Station because unlike many of the other mainline train stations in London it still has that 1970s 1980s look about it when you enter the station
I am a Californian who is utterly taken with the London Underground. We are in fact in need of innumerable tunnels for underground travel, but will doubtlessly achieve none. I love your videos.
Some use was made of this area in an episode of The Professionals in the late 1970's. Doyle us seen driving into the gateway with the iron gates, and chasing a car around one of the lower levels. Jim Conner did a fairly comprehensive look around in the mid 1990's? For one of his East London DVD's.
@@AtheistOrphan en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Professionals_episodes must be in there somewhere! I'm reminded of the episode that featured this gun en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-180
@@michaelgreen1515 Big arches painted white from I remember .... might pop back up there this Sunday to see what's changed - probably everything ! I know the big railway bridge that was on Great Eastern street on the other side of Commercial Road has gone ...
@@DaraM73 actually a friend told me how great the Boiled beef bagels were and in the last 4 years introduced me to boiled beef sandwiches something for which I am very thankful. Bagels aren't readily available in the more distant parts of the GER.
Very interesting. My Dad and his two brothers worked at Bishops Gate in the early 60s. He took me there in the early 70s showd me where he worked ( what was left of it) I have a photograh of the two us standing there. Great memories. Thanks again.
Mr Hazzard, I spotted myself in this video and I didn't sign a waiver. Expect a letter from my lawyer Mr Rottweiler, however I can settle for a case of Newcastle Brown before he sinks his teeth into you.
This prompted me to revisit pages 10&11 of 'Britain's Lost Railways' by John Minnis, wherein is a large photograph of the fire (5/12/64) opposite a smaller, almost similar, but postcard view, from 1905.
Love the explanation of a 'mixed use development', i suppose CZcams wouldn't allow you to mention that the politicians and civil servants involved in the decision generally get a brown envelope which may or may not contain huge piles of cash.
Me too 😪 We'll regret losing the history and the very things that makes our cities unique. I'd far more support keeping the structures and having modern internal restorations. No more bulldozing of London history.
I used to park there occasionally in the 1990's, when I needed to drive to or from work, as it is, indeed, just a short walk into the city, and the £10 it cost (IIRC) to park there was a bargain compared to £50+ per day that it cost to park in the City, and it was very convenient for me as I didn't even need to walk as far as Liverpool St Station.
I used to live around 20/30 meters from this building, my back window looked onto the Liverpool St line train line and I always saw this building but never knew what it used to be
I remember the fire in November 1964, if I remember correctly it was on a Saturday. There was lots traffic around the place on the Sunday, people just coming in to see the place. I see what was Shoreditch Telephone exchange is still there, I would park a Post Office (Telecom) van in there between 1968 and 72. Memories, thank you!
Jago, you are doing British rail history so it is WAY more upbeat then doing anything here in the US. I was like "oh, new station in the last 30 years, how lovely!"...
Once again at the highest level. How carefully it is done can be heard at the latest in the credits, which are usually standardised, but here are given a touch that suits the theme, which alone is enough to melt in your mouth. (It is a little tricky to talk about linguistic finesse as a foreign speaker; be it, I have tried.)
Really should add some platforms to the Overground lines running under Shoreditch High St to give interchange there. The arches that Bishopsgate sat on over the railway were designed for it after all and once “the goodsyard” goes up you’ll never get another chance!
The Shoreditch area is one that is fascinating but looking kind of delerict and modern at once. Thanks for the video, probably I walked next to the station and had no clue what it was!
I really enjoy your videos, and am even more enthusiastic since your little chat with my mum at Rickmansworth Museum! Born in Chesham and growing up in 60s/70s Croxley, I am hopefully looking forward to more videos about the Metropolitan Extension and Metroland?
Indeed! Tho' I live in the Midlands, I was at Ricky Grammar '59-67 and the Metropolitan /Great Central Joint is in my blood. I loved the brown T stock, the BoBo locomotives and the Class Fives often passing each other on the way to Marylebone or Nottingham...plus the LT Pannier tanks at the tip sidings. I must have traversed Croxley on the (always an RT from Garston garage) 321 'bus from Watford Jct. thousands of times over those eight years at school. I have never heard of Rickmansworth Museum.
@@johnjephcote7636 it's really called Three Rivers Museum. I was at Ricky grammar 68 to 75, and yes I remember the 321 (and 385) buses and the pannier tanks. Too young for black fives on the GC and electric locos on the met though.
I love the spectacularly accurate descript of what a 'mixed use development' is, delivered in a perfectly suited passive aggressive tone at the end of your video!
By Jove, we were just having a pint and wander around there this afternoon. Incidentally there are some great photos of the building in the Britain From Above website. Thanks Jago.
THIS HAS GOT TO BE ONE OF MY MOST EAGERLY ANTICIPATED JAGO VIDS! So here goes the normal routine: LIKED 👍🏿, Kettle on; brew made; settle back; saved to 'Jago folder'. Now click 'Play'. Time enjoy this masterpiece...
Would like to see one about the Bricklayers Arms goods depot in the Bermondsey area and the deptford wharves along with the Surrey canal and Grand Surrey Canal. Or just the link to those if you've done it already.
Very interesting, I used to work at Bishopsgate telephone exchange, and go by here every day in the late ‘70’s and early ‘80’s, always wondered what had been there. Have you made or considered making a similar video for the Bricklayers Arms Station and its later huge goods yard?
Mark, you know that Bishopsgate Exchange is no more. They sold the building off to a bank -can't remember which one- and wanted to keep the cable chamber in the basement. The bank said no way, BT said it will cost you a few million to move it, and the bank said, -where do we send the cheque!
@@angienorthey Oh No! I spent my early days there as an apprentice, and it was then my headquarters for a time afterwards. I was thinking of a drive up there for nostalgia, as it is still on Google Street View, oh well :-( Thank You.
Thanks for that video. As I mentioned before in your video on Broad Street Station I used to go to the markets most Sundays. I used to try and make out what the extensive railway buildings were, they were just abandoned save for part of it being used as an NCP car park. I only found out about it being the remains of Bishopsgate Station around 10 years ago. Incidentally there are stone carvings from Bishopsgate that survive at the side of the track that you can see on the left hand side just before your train enters Bishopsgate Low Level Station.
Fantastic, have been hoping for a video about this for ages, I regularly travel past there to the Datacentre that is right next to it, plus going for a Brick Lane curry.
This was a fairly regular thing. A mob attacked a London to Bath steam post coach in Melksham market place, injuring the crew and berating the passengers!
I gather it was the Regency equivalent of the bendy-bus. It worked, but it was just unpopular with the general population. And the official fire brigade objected to it as it did the work of five or six men.
2:52 This is not quite correct, Bishopsgate Low Level was actually a completely separate station from the original (not an additional set of platforms), and the original Bishopsgate station did not close in 1872, but in 1875 when Liverpool Street was fully opened (Liverpool Street was partially opened in 1874). Bishopsgate Low Level was opened in 1872 to provide extra capacity for the Lea Valley Lines which had opened earlier that year, so both Bishopsgate stations were open simultaneously for a short while. After the Liverpool Street extension was complete Bishopsgate Low Level station remained open as stop for commuter services, until 1916 when it was closed as a wartime economy measure.
Reopening / rebuilding the two platforms at Bishopsgate Low Level, and integrating them with Shoreditch High Street station, would provide a useful interchange between stopping services on the Lea Valley lines and the Overground.
Used to be a bloke that used the upper level for an unauthorised car scrap yard in the 80s. How he got away with it for so many years I don't know but was useful for me to get my spares from.
Only the other day did I find out that Liverpool Street station was built _after_ the GY/Norwich/Ipswich mainline and so I had a look on Wiki to try to find out what the London terminus was before Liverpool Street, so finding this video just a few days later, even though it's been up for a few years now, made it very interesting. Thanks !
Very interesting. While I am big fan of seeing former industrial buildings reused and preserved, it doesn't look like there's a lot left to preserve. Unless (call me cynical) it's been deliberately allowed to decay to give that impression...
That comment reminds me of Buxhall "Rectory Barn" which didn't belong to the church and was a thatched 18th C coaching and stable block. It caved in from the centre, disgraceful.
In the 1990s I used to drive into London for work and parked on the old Bishopsgate goods station for £4.70 a day - about a fifth of what NCP were charging in those days. Off the road, up a ramp and there you were. And a great little sandwich bar underneath in one of the arches.
Thanks for this as my family had a strong connection to this site. My dad and some of his brothers were freight ‘porters’ at Bishopsgate up to the night of the fire (in fact my uncle was on watch duty that night and knew the firemen who died in the tunnels, as part of the job had been to walk members of the brigade through the underground warren during inspections and training- one of the firemen had passed the exit in the smoke and dark by only a few feet), most of the men didn’t have telephones of course but the call went out and kids sent to knock on doors, the men rushing down to help where they could (this was three years before I was born mind you). My dad and one his brothers moved to the new site at Stratford and my dad was on the very last ‘gang’ left working on freight up to the time British Rail abandoned goods haulage. Unrelated but before the war my dad was a glass blower, after the army he couldn’t face being cooped up in the sheds so went to work on freight instead (out in all weather, day and night shifts and damn hard work, but he fought tooth and nail to keep those men in work and negotiated most of them decent redundancy, by the time the last four came to leave there wasn’t much left in the pot, so they ended up with a much poorer settlement!).
My first day at work in 1983 was across the road from Bishopsgate goods station... and it looked as derelict, overgrown and dilapidated then as it does today!
Oh yes, the leeches can't wait to make undeserved millions, can they? What a splendid site. There must be some real gems of Industrial Archaeology tucked away there. Thank you for rekindling the earworm of "Oranges & Lemons" once again in this Antipodean bonce! 😉
Next time you're in Shoreditch perhaps take a look at the old power station that's now a circus school? It's a nice building and I'd love to know some more about its history.
I was waiting for a punchline after the revelation of who mixed space whatsits are for. Then I was pulled back to reality. Guess that's where we are though, interesting place, thanks for the video!
The abandoned platform showed at Quaker Street is very short, Maybe it was part of a station once, but it's adjacent to the Bishopsgate stables, and as far as I know was used for stable work. The stables were recently demolished
How about Commercial Road Goods Yard, now occupied (I think) by Hooper Square. The curve of the old line into the yard is still shown by Pinchin Street. As a newly promoted C grade Supervisor, one of my tasks was to clear out kids from the yard when they were throwing stones at the trains en route to and from Fenchurch St. station.
Same up here in Liverpool. Beeching literally closed the entire railway system of Liverpool down. Quite a bit is up a running since the 1970's. But once busy metro stations were closed and demolished, yet there is a programme to reopen them. It'll take 20 plus years.
Nice one. As a southern softie, wish I was up your way; the Liverpool - Manchester railway has been on my bucket list for a while; and Edge Hill station - is just to die for! 😉
Firstly really like your vids. On this one, for some reason, when I started watching my first thought was: wasn't this located right beside Liverpool Street station and not Shoreditch. Of course I eventually realised I was thinking of Broad Street station. Would be good to do something on that one if you haven't already as always wondered why there was a need for two huge stations right beside each other. No doubt something to do with competing companies and not willing to share, etc.
I was in Brick Lane today so it felt very relevant. I have seen the odd sign here and there on redevelopment but it seems it is just a matter of time before everything is changed. Such a shame. Straddling brick lane is/was the Truman Brewery, I'm guessing they used the train network a lot. Perhaps you could do a video on them, I'd be very interested to hear about their past :).
I USED TO GO TO WORSHIP STREET AND CLIMB ONTO THE METAL BRIDGE . THERE YOU CAN LOOK BELOW AND THERE THE STEAM TRAINS WERE BEING FIRED UP THE STEAM FROM THE ENGINES AND THE SMELLS WERE UNFORGETTABLE
I used to see the tracks running up the disused goods yard when I was a child going to Liverpool Street. Right up until the mid 1980s large chunks were still left as is, until the massive refurb of Liverpool Street, the destruction of Broad Street station seemed to heighten the decay and demolition of the Braithrwaite Viaduct. Even now, the site causes much friction in the local community. They wanted to build skyscrapers (of course) to maximise profit, but as the narrator says, it will still end up being gentrified for profit, while paying lip service to the heritage of the area.
Interesting as always and thankyou. As a side note 1840 was the start of the gold rush in America. We were building stations whilst other people were digging for gold. Just a thought.
Capstan , Turntable and Hoist - sounds like a legal firm
"mixed used development" is an American term refering to what Europe and the rest of the world would normally call "development", because over the Atlantic, having a small business like a café in a residential neighborhood is something special and abnormal.
So if you have to use the term "mixed use development" over here, it will turn out pretty much like described in the video.
Sometime when there was a small unplanned hamlet, you can see a single building zoned as commercial because the local store was there before the city ruiners arrived with their plans to demolish the town.
Then the store eventually dies because USAnians go by car anyway, and it is rezoned as residential.
The CZcams channel Not Just Bikes has some really insightful videos on this topic. It’s so messed up.
@@a1white that's where I have this from lol
@@57thorns *Americans
@@a1white oh yes
So Bishopsgate is not the sort of place where respectable people would be seen.
The NatWest group has its HQ in Bishopsgate.
So dose Amnesty International.
I think you proved your point there !
Depends how you define respectable , Many people considered "eastenders" as "salt of the earth" the best of all people, "suit n tie" types were regarded with suspicion and far from "respectable", in some circles, as you pointed out , they still are , not without good reason.
So did Barings Bank (failed 1995), and ABN Amro had it's UK HQ on Bishopsgate until it failed in 2008.
@@pulaski1 So there's hope for NatWest/RBS yet.
“Overseas property investors” as in brazen money laundering
Should be named Oligarchs' Plaza😊😊
"No no, is perfectly legitimate business deal, having no connection to Russian Mafiya, I promise!"
In the last years of its life before demolition for the ELL Extension in the early years of the new millennium,the semi-derelict remains of the goods station were used as a market and the public got to look around what had previously been fenced off.
The roadways within were cobbled,with plenty of reminders of its former use...rails and pointwork,wagon turntables,capstans etc.
Wow. I would have liked to have seen that.
There's a quick glimpse of the deserted market at 5:07
Oh Sadiq just like you betrayed the Tooting Post Office workers even when they had prepared the celebrations! How wonderful the market would have been.
Been searching for pictures of this era ever since. Exploring the market in those tunnels and beyond was absolutely pivotal in my childhood. Wish I'd thought to capture it at the time, but didn't. Please reach out if you happen to have anything which depicts it
After 14 years, I left London in 1988. Watching your videos, I'm taken back to the city, and reminded of a deep love that resides in me for "London stock" bricks, and the Dickensian corners I passed through in my years on the Underground. "When you're tired of London, you are tired of life".
Some time in the early 70s for some reason trans could not get in to Liverpool Street and we were turfed off onto the Bishopsgate Low Level platforms (remnants of which can still be seen as you pass). I quite vividly remember climbing the long, narrow stairs up from the platform and a walkway of what then passed for safety barriers - scaffolding poles set in barrels of sand - over the derelict top then another stair down to exit through the main gate onto Shorditch High Street. It was almost certainly a Sunday Morning and we were almost certainly on our way to Crufts Dog Show at Olympia. But it only happened to me that once and I can't imagine that it happened often at all given the parlous state of the station at the time.
Yes, I can confirm that something happened at Liverpool Street that stopped local trains from Shenfield entering. Whatever it was affected the rush hour as well and recall using the Central line to Stratford to get home again. We were reduced to a tidal wave of humanity trying to get up the derelict stairs and then wondering where to go once deposited in the street!
Had I seen the ruins post fire and not knowing the local railway history, I would have assumed they were from the 1939-45 unpleasantness.
Thank you, M. Hazzard for the history lesson.
'from the 1939-45 unpleasantness', that sounds like a politicians quote and I think it understates things just a little TBH?!
Used to park underground at Bishopsgate goods station 27 years ago.
It was very dark and eerie, but the huge magnificent arches in the ceilings never failed to impress. The level of craftsmanship needed was impressive.
I worked on Bishopsgate for 20 years and seen it change ( and Spread out ) The City ( for me ) used to end once you walked past Liverpool street Station ( before it was developed - Entrance and ticket office used to be at the top of the stairs on Bishopsgate itself ) and pass a shop called Great Eastern Electrical , then there was a pub and then the east end ! . Shoreditch used to be run down , not now . I was born in Mile end and lived many years in Bow...so have seen some of the changes. I remember the goods yards on Reeves road , by St Andrews hospital. Another Great Video Jago
Seeing the Shoreditch span there made me think that the East London Link project would be a good topic. I can't remember when it was proposed, but it felt like it took several eons to even get started. Turned out lovely in the end, though, so there's an antidote to Bishopsgate.
The last time I was this early my train was so delayed that time had looped back around to the day before I left my house
tru storie
My great-great-grandparents' pub, the 'Fighting Cocks' 43 St John Street, was demolished to make way for the line into Liverpool Street. St John Street ran alongside and to north of the Bishopsgate Station viaduct where the Liverpool Street line loops to the north before diving underneath the Bishopsgate Station tracks. A small section of St John Street remains and is now called Grimsby Street.
Same here, my paternal great great grandparents lost their home in Acorn Street due to the GER extension to Liverpool Street. As far as I'm aware no part of Acorn Street exists today.
As seen on the Video Map!
@@michaelgreen1515 It certainly was. It's name was changed from St John Street to Grimsby Street at the time of the Liverpool Street extension when most of St John Street was built over for the extension. Before the extension some of the St John Street addresses were beneath the viaduct including where my great-grandfather had his business.
@@grey8biker must have been something. Some of my family went up to London with the GER as horsemen as they needed people to work the shunting and goods yards. I often wondered if that was why they lived in Mare St of if that was a coincidence. Perhaps Mr J Hazzard could enlighten us?
@@hamlet7959 Ah, but as the saying goes "...from small Acorn seeds..." (yadda, yadda, yadda...😃)
Mostly what I take from this is that, after over half a century, I'm finally down with the cool kids, get to be in Jago's club AND talk about trains. Mr Hazzard, you have achieved Impossible things.
Can you spell this comment out for me i dont completely understand
@Roger Bond Totally agree with you 😁🚂👍
I'm an aussie, but I lived in london for 6 months in 2018, near old st. I love your channel, and almost squealed with excitement when I saw this vid. I love learning about the history of the parts of london I fell in love with. My jaw dropped when the picture at 3.26 made me realise why Great Eastern Street is called that!
I had to look at that four or five times before I caught on to waht you alluded to! Talk about staring one in the face. 😀
Yet another fascinating video, thank you Mr H. And even if a tad down-beat at the end, still all part of London's (and especially the City's) history. Ta, Simon T
Isn't it just . Wonderful
I remember going into Liverpool street from (then) Lower Edmonton many times in the late 50's & 1960's. There was a choking smell that always filled the carriages at Cambridge Heath. I think it was a shoe polish factory. When the train reached the tunnels into Liverpool street you had to close up the windows because of the thick smoke. Those were the days.
Wow… I remember the fire, was it really 1964? My dad was the licensee at the Cock Tavern in Fleet Street and as a kid often went there on Saturday in our new Hillman Minx. The aftermath was awesome, and still smouldering and visible from the route we took. Thanks for that one Jago, this recalls one of my very earliest memories…. like it was yesterday!
This spot has been something I've wanted to know more about for a while now, so I rather liked this one.
I like Fenchurch Station because unlike many of the other mainline train stations in London it still has that 1970s 1980s look about it when you enter the station
I am a Californian who is utterly taken with the London Underground. We are in fact in need of innumerable tunnels for underground travel, but will doubtlessly achieve none. I love your videos.
Some use was made of this area in an episode of The Professionals in the late 1970's. Doyle us seen driving into the gateway with the iron gates, and chasing a car around one of the lower levels. Jim Conner did a fairly comprehensive look around in the mid 1990's? For one of his East London DVD's.
I don’t suppose you have the name or number of that Professionals episode?
@@AtheistOrphan i don't. You could try youtube, a fellow has done several 'then & now' videos of the locations.
@@MrSofakinggreat - Thanks I will. Quite a lot of eps to get through to find that particular one though!
@@AtheistOrphan en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Professionals_episodes must be in there somewhere! I'm reminded of the episode that featured this gun en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-180
@@hairyairey - Thanks for that!👍
We campaigned to save the architectural features of what was in the late 90’s, part of Brick Lane Market.
Haven't been there since the mid 90s
- used to go quite regularly on Sunday mornings !
If I had realised THAT was part of Brick lane market I would have gone 😥
@@michaelgreen1515 if you wanted a Super8mm camera and a boiled beef bagel, that was the place to go.
@@michaelgreen1515 Big arches painted white from I remember .... might pop back up there this Sunday to see what's changed - probably everything !
I know the big railway bridge that was on Great Eastern street on the other side of Commercial Road has gone ...
@@DaraM73 actually a friend told me how great the Boiled beef bagels were and in the last 4 years introduced me to boiled beef sandwiches something for which I am very thankful. Bagels aren't readily available in the more distant parts of the GER.
Very interesting. My Dad and his two brothers worked at Bishops Gate in the early 60s. He took me there in the early 70s showd me where he worked ( what was left of it) I have a photograh of the two us standing there. Great memories. Thanks again.
So many good memories, worked here in the late 90’s-2000s before it was closed down. Used as an event space. The arches underneath are amazing
I remember it was a coach park in the 90s
As a Suffolk man I can never get fed up with you talking about the Eastern Counties Railway!
Thas roight boi' all poor Bishopsgit on the slantacular.
Keep a goin' Master Hazzard!
I'm sure I remember seeing Eastern Counties buses as well - or maybe they were United Counties?
@@whyyoulidl Eastern Counties indeed existed and the franchise gimmicks are currently used by First. However it had nothing to do with the railway.
Mr Hazzard, I spotted myself in this video and I didn't sign a waiver. Expect a letter from my lawyer Mr Rottweiler, however I can settle for a case of Newcastle Brown before he sinks his teeth into you.
Spot on about "mixed use" 👍
This prompted me to revisit pages 10&11 of 'Britain's Lost Railways' by John Minnis, wherein is a large photograph of the fire (5/12/64) opposite a smaller, almost similar, but postcard view, from 1905.
0:52 I can't unhear "Dr Evil."
...and there was me, darn-sure there was gonna be a Mini-Me follow up 😂
I uses to use Shoredich High Street Station a lot. It saved using the tube from Victoria and one change and a long walk from Liverpool Street.
Love the explanation of a 'mixed use development', i suppose CZcams wouldn't allow you to mention that the politicians and civil servants involved in the decision generally get a brown envelope which may or may not contain huge piles of cash.
Every piece of history in London (not making huge income) will become “mixed use” 😭
I cry with you!
Me too 😪 We'll regret losing the history and the very things that makes our cities unique. I'd far more support keeping the structures and having modern internal restorations. No more bulldozing of London history.
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I used to park there occasionally in the 1990's, when I needed to drive to or from work, as it is, indeed, just a short walk into the city, and the £10 it cost (IIRC) to park there was a bargain compared to £50+ per day that it cost to park in the City, and it was very convenient for me as I didn't even need to walk as far as Liverpool St Station.
I used to live around 20/30 meters from this building, my back window looked onto the Liverpool St line train line and I always saw this building but never knew what it used to be
1:27 - Pocket version of New York’s famous ‘Flatiron Building’?
+1! I wonder which came first?
I remember the fire in November 1964, if I remember correctly it was on a Saturday. There was lots traffic around the place on the Sunday, people just coming in to see the place.
I see what was Shoreditch Telephone exchange is still there, I would park a Post Office (Telecom) van in there between 1968 and 72.
Memories, thank you!
Always fascinating.
Jago, you are doing British rail history so it is WAY more upbeat then doing anything here in the US. I was like "oh, new station in the last 30 years, how lovely!"...
"The celebrated Mr. K. performs his feat on Saturday at Bishopsgate."
Once again at the highest level. How carefully it is done can be heard at the latest in the credits, which are usually standardised, but here are given a touch that suits the theme, which alone is enough to melt in your mouth.
(It is a little tricky to talk about linguistic finesse as a foreign speaker; be it, I have tried.)
I love hearing about London's history.🙂
Really should add some platforms to the Overground lines running under Shoreditch High St to give interchange there. The arches that Bishopsgate sat on over the railway were designed for it after all and once “the goodsyard” goes up you’ll never get another chance!
You mean the Central Line?
Another excellent video - your last comment about “mixed use developments” is sadly all too true.
Always wondered about this huge abandoned area at prime location. Thank you!
Thanks Jago! Had no idea that bit of derelict land, and broken down structure was once a thriving train station and goods yard. 👏🏾
The Shoreditch area is one that is fascinating but looking kind of delerict and modern at once. Thanks for the video, probably I walked next to the station and had no clue what it was!
I really enjoy your videos, and am even more enthusiastic since your little chat with my mum at Rickmansworth Museum!
Born in Chesham and growing up in 60s/70s Croxley, I am hopefully looking forward to more videos about the Metropolitan Extension and Metroland?
Indeed! Tho' I live in the Midlands, I was at Ricky Grammar '59-67 and the Metropolitan /Great Central Joint is in my blood. I loved the brown T stock, the BoBo locomotives and the Class Fives often passing each other on the way to Marylebone or Nottingham...plus the LT Pannier tanks at the tip sidings. I must have traversed Croxley on the (always an RT from Garston garage) 321 'bus from Watford Jct. thousands of times over those eight years at school. I have never heard of Rickmansworth Museum.
@@johnjephcote7636 it's really called Three Rivers Museum.
I was at Ricky grammar 68 to 75, and yes I remember the 321 (and 385) buses and the pannier tanks. Too young for black fives on the GC and electric locos on the met though.
I love the spectacularly accurate descript of what a 'mixed use development' is, delivered in a perfectly suited passive aggressive tone at the end of your video!
By Jove, we were just having a pint and wander around there this afternoon. Incidentally there are some great photos of the building in the Britain From Above website. Thanks Jago.
Mixed use development usually includes lots of parking for Teslas and Lexus SUVs.
Always a pleasure to watch. And your narration is brilliant! Thank you.
"take a hike, Camden" :)
THIS HAS GOT TO BE ONE OF MY MOST EAGERLY ANTICIPATED JAGO VIDS! So here goes the normal routine: LIKED 👍🏿, Kettle on; brew made; settle back; saved to 'Jago folder'. Now click 'Play'. Time enjoy this masterpiece...
Would like to see one about the Bricklayers Arms goods depot in the Bermondsey area and the deptford wharves along with the Surrey canal and Grand Surrey Canal. Or just the link to those if you've done it already.
Very interesting, I used to work at Bishopsgate telephone exchange, and go by here every day in the late ‘70’s and early ‘80’s, always wondered what had been there.
Have you made or considered making a similar video for the Bricklayers Arms Station and its later huge goods yard?
It’s definitely on the list. I want to cover more of London’s “big stations” and a few people have asked about Bricklayers Arms.
Mark, you know that Bishopsgate Exchange is no more. They sold the building off to a bank -can't remember which one- and wanted to keep the cable chamber in the basement. The bank said no way, BT said it will cost you a few million to move it, and the bank said, -where do we send the cheque!
@@angienorthey Oh No! I spent my early days there as an apprentice, and it was then my headquarters for a time afterwards. I was thinking of a drive up there for nostalgia, as it is still on Google Street View, oh well :-( Thank You.
Thanks for that video. As I mentioned before in your video on Broad Street Station I used to go to the markets most Sundays. I used to try and make out what the extensive railway buildings were, they were just abandoned save for part of it being used as an NCP car park. I only found out about it being the remains of Bishopsgate Station around 10 years ago. Incidentally there are stone carvings from Bishopsgate that survive at the side of the track that you can see on the left hand side just before your train enters Bishopsgate Low Level Station.
Fantastic, have been hoping for a video about this for ages, I regularly travel past there to the Datacentre that is right next to it, plus going for a Brick Lane curry.
Great stuff! Thank you.
Well now you need to tell me why a mob destroyed a steam fire-engine. Was it a witch?
Luddites.
This was a fairly regular thing. A mob attacked a London to Bath steam post coach in Melksham market place, injuring the crew and berating the passengers!
On second thoughts, normal for Melksham....
I gather it was the Regency equivalent of the bendy-bus. It worked, but it was just unpopular with the general population. And the official fire brigade objected to it as it did the work of five or six men.
I thought JH was going to say that it caught fire.
2:52 This is not quite correct, Bishopsgate Low Level was actually a completely separate station from the original (not an additional set of platforms), and the original Bishopsgate station did not close in 1872, but in 1875 when Liverpool Street was fully opened (Liverpool Street was partially opened in 1874). Bishopsgate Low Level was opened in 1872 to provide extra capacity for the Lea Valley Lines which had opened earlier that year, so both Bishopsgate stations were open simultaneously for a short while. After the Liverpool Street extension was complete Bishopsgate Low Level station remained open as stop for commuter services, until 1916 when it was closed as a wartime economy measure.
Reopening / rebuilding the two platforms at Bishopsgate Low Level, and integrating them with Shoreditch High Street station, would provide a useful interchange between stopping services on the Lea Valley lines and the Overground.
Used to be a bloke that used the upper level for an unauthorised car scrap yard in the 80s. How he got away with it for so many years I don't know but was useful for me to get my spares from.
I remember that too. Got some good bargains in spares from there.
@@edwardoleyba3075 yes was a hidden gem . You had drive up the ramp and hope the guard dogs were tied up!
Only the other day did I find out that Liverpool Street station was built _after_ the GY/Norwich/Ipswich mainline and so I had a look on Wiki to try to find out what the London terminus was before Liverpool Street, so finding this video just a few days later, even though it's been up for a few years now, made it very interesting.
Thanks !
Mixed use development has the same meaning In Vancouver, what a coincidence 😕
Very interesting. While I am big fan of seeing former industrial buildings reused and preserved, it doesn't look like there's a lot left to preserve. Unless (call me cynical) it's been deliberately allowed to decay to give that impression...
Your Cyinical
Only deliberately to the extent of not wanting to spend money.
That comment reminds me of Buxhall "Rectory Barn" which didn't belong to the church and was a thatched 18th C coaching and stable block. It caved in from the centre, disgraceful.
Thanks Jago Keep safe,👍
In the 1990s I used to drive into London for work and parked on the old Bishopsgate goods station for £4.70 a day - about a fifth of what NCP were charging in those days. Off the road, up a ramp and there you were. And a great little sandwich bar underneath in one of the arches.
Thanks for this as my family had a strong connection to this site.
My dad and some of his brothers were freight ‘porters’ at Bishopsgate up to the night of the fire (in fact my uncle was on watch duty that night and knew the firemen who died in the tunnels, as part of the job had been to walk members of the brigade through the underground warren during inspections and training- one of the firemen had passed the exit in the smoke and dark by only a few feet), most of the men didn’t have telephones of course but the call went out and kids sent to knock on doors, the men rushing down to help where they could (this was three years before I was born mind you). My dad and one his brothers moved to the new site at Stratford and my dad was on the very last ‘gang’ left working on freight up to the time British Rail abandoned goods haulage.
Unrelated but before the war my dad was a glass blower, after the army he couldn’t face being cooped up in the sheds so went to work on freight instead (out in all weather, day and night shifts and damn hard work, but he fought tooth and nail to keep those men in work and negotiated most of them decent redundancy, by the time the last four came to leave there wasn’t much left in the pot, so they ended up with a much poorer settlement!).
My first day at work in 1983 was across the road from Bishopsgate goods station... and it looked as derelict, overgrown and dilapidated then as it does today!
Thank you for making this wonderful vid
I can confirm, 'I am hearterly sick of it'! 😊
Oh yes, the leeches can't wait to make undeserved millions, can they?
What a splendid site. There must be some real gems of Industrial Archaeology tucked away there.
Thank you for rekindling the earworm of "Oranges & Lemons" once again in this Antipodean bonce! 😉
great stuff, thanks
Next time you're in Shoreditch perhaps take a look at the old power station that's now a circus school? It's a nice building and I'd love to know some more about its history.
I was waiting for a punchline after the revelation of who mixed space whatsits are for. Then I was pulled back to reality. Guess that's where we are though, interesting place, thanks for the video!
Great video.
The abandoned platform showed at Quaker Street is very short, Maybe it was part of a station once, but it's adjacent to the Bishopsgate stables, and as far as I know was used for stable work. The stables were recently demolished
You’re the best, Jago
How about Commercial Road Goods Yard, now occupied (I think) by Hooper Square. The curve of the old line into the yard is still shown by Pinchin Street. As a newly promoted C grade Supervisor, one of my tasks was to clear out kids from the yard when they were throwing stones at the trains en route to and from Fenchurch St. station.
Best closing TOTT line ever, "You.....are the Braithwaite Viaduct to my Evil (Evill?) Station."
Love London historical and the old london
Same up here in Liverpool. Beeching literally closed the entire railway system of Liverpool down. Quite a bit is up a running since the 1970's. But once busy metro stations were closed and demolished, yet there is a programme to reopen them. It'll take 20 plus years.
Nice one. As a southern softie, wish I was up your way; the Liverpool - Manchester railway has been on my bucket list for a while; and Edge Hill station - is just to die for! 😉
Very interesting!!!
Great video mate. I may or may not have had an unofficial tour of BishopsGate. I've got the odd (bad) photo from inside if it's of interest.
Great video sir.
Firstly really like your vids. On this one, for some reason, when I started watching my first thought was: wasn't this located right beside Liverpool Street station and not Shoreditch. Of course I eventually realised I was thinking of Broad Street station. Would be good to do something on that one if you haven't already as always wondered why there was a need for two huge stations right beside each other. No doubt something to do with competing companies and not willing to share, etc.
Others might have done Broad Street and the North London Line, see also jago back catelogue
In case you still haven't seen it, Jago's video about Broad Street is here: czcams.com/video/g2kgnHv0vho/video.html
I was in Brick Lane today so it felt very relevant. I have seen the odd sign here and there on redevelopment but it seems it is just a matter of time before everything is changed. Such a shame. Straddling brick lane is/was the Truman Brewery, I'm guessing they used the train network a lot. Perhaps you could do a video on them, I'd be very interested to hear about their past :).
Who are these "people" who click the dislike button? They can take a hike to where ever they please
I USED TO GO TO WORSHIP STREET AND CLIMB ONTO THE METAL BRIDGE . THERE YOU CAN LOOK BELOW AND THERE THE STEAM TRAINS WERE BEING FIRED UP THE STEAM FROM THE ENGINES AND THE SMELLS WERE UNFORGETTABLE
Id love to see a video about the lines beyond aylesbury to Quaition Rd, Verney Jc, and Brill.
Yup, second that; spent many an hour tracing the GCR on google satellite views.
3.27 Now THATS a station!
I drive past this every day wondering what it was once upon a time!!!
I used to see the tracks running up the disused goods yard when I was a child going to Liverpool Street. Right up until the mid 1980s large chunks were still left as is, until the massive refurb of Liverpool Street, the destruction of Broad Street station seemed to heighten the decay and demolition of the Braithrwaite Viaduct. Even now, the site causes much friction in the local community. They wanted to build skyscrapers (of course) to maximise profit, but as the narrator says, it will still end up being gentrified for profit, while paying lip service to the heritage of the area.
The "EAST ENDEAD" grafitti said it all for me...Surely that prime bit of land cannot stay like that for long...Listing or not...
glad that you keep ojn track ;)
I'm thinking here that your description of "mixed use" should be used in dictionaries. That hit the nail on the head.
Interesting as always and thankyou. As a side note 1840 was the start of the gold rush in America. We were building stations whilst other people were digging for gold. Just a thought.
7:20 Hear, hear, Mr Hazzard. True words indeed, oft spoke in jest.
I enjoyed this. You do awesome videos ! Aarre Peltomaa