POS 3 Enjoyers hear me out. This fish is countered by Centaur. U double edge it on lane and use ur stomp as well. Best support to have with you is Tiny. Keep going at him and you will increase your mmr. I played 23 cent games last 4 days. 12 games against slark 11-1 4k mmr
6k mmr here; the Centaur-Slark matchup in a vacuum is Slark favored. I also believe there are much stronger support pairings than Tiny in the current meta.
Let me give you my ability draft notes on Slark. Shadow dance: first pickable skill. Great sustain. You can pick it on any hero. Core is preferred. Essence shift: If you are ranged agi or universal, it is first pickable. If you are ranged int, there are probably better options. If you are a good melee agi such as Jugg, you can pick it but you need to make sure that you have a catching skill (like blink). If the next person in the opponent team is a super strong ranged agi such as Gyro, you can consider denying it because it can snowball so fast. Pounce: not first pickable on any hero. There are always better options than this. As 3rd or 4th pick, you can take it for escape purposes. You can also consider it to exploit multiple aghanims upgrade. Dark pact: not first pickable but you can take it on a super tanky hero like Centaur. Strong dispel is always useful. It comboes well with aftershock too because of relatively short cd, dispel and good damage. Slark model: the only way to make this model work is to go hard support. Take stuns, slows, catching skills, etc. Don't try to force mid, carry or tank because you can't. Slark is one of the worst heroes in the game. People who first pick essence shift on Slark model almost always lose the game. No skill is good enough to turn this model into a core.
@@solaire6116 You should try. It's really fun and every game is different by design. Draft phase is far more important than regular Dota because you have to be aware of possible overpowered combinations. Anyway. There is quite a player base. I can find a game in roughly 1 minute in SEA and 3-5 minutes in EU and NA. The players who play AD usually don't play any ranked at all. I play AD regularly but I haven't played a single ranked game for 6 years now. I have played 4k AD games. Another fun thing is that you have to know how to play carry, mid, offlaner, and support pretty well because your role is dictated by the hero model and the pick order. You should really try it. You won't regret.
oh , damn , "slark imprisoning the opponents" that shit stuck in my head. Slark is one of my besties and like monkey man he's been imprisoned , its so cool that he "imprisons" the enemies
Hey @BSJ, thanks for the guide, but is this with new 7.35c item nerfs in mind? At 20:46 you are talking about items from 7.35b. Did you missspoke or is the build unchanged or can you elaborate on mageslayer VS orchid rush or any early/mid-game item choices?
Hi BSJ, in second case, why skill essence shift as 2nd level instead of pounce? You're is not fight back, as you said no? So why skill a level in contrast with your mind concept?
thanks BSJ, with the 7.35c patch would you say orchid over mage slayer is like 50% of games? 30%? what sort of ratio should it be built now that the gold difference is 400 smaller and mage slayer got some other nerfs?
I see mage slayer as just a defensive orchid Both shut down spell casters, but one is better if you're initiating on someone, and one is better if you're being initiated against Orchid also better Vs mobility, mage slayer better Vs heavy magic
I think for porpuses of information it could be usefull if you include the patch version on the description... Just had a patch recently where mage slayer got nerfed, im not sure if it is that good on slark anymore, since orchid is also cheaper now.. Great video tho!
In my (unranked) experience and from watching other BSJ vids, Orchid for heroes with blinks/escapes (E.g. Antimage/Puck), Mageslayer for anything else. He should be focusing on one hero at a time anyway though so the nerf to Mageslayer in regards to Slark is minimal. In any case, Slark loves both items for the mana regen and the great build up of Oblivion Staff.
I'm gonna be that told-you-so guy and say I asked BSJ on stream a few months ago about buying blink on slark, he said he thought it didn't seem too good. Looked pretty sexy in that second replay though
Slark is my favorite as well. Used him on an forgotten patch (2019 or 2020 i think) where I could 2v1 a 5slotted Alchemist and a 4slotted Spectre. Nothing else made me feel like a god in dota2
While I've already burnt the directional move+pounce to my muscle memory, i'm really puzzled why valve doesn't change pounce to a point and click spell (ground/hero targeting) so that it won't go in a random direction Sometimes I'm thinking it's meant to troll new players learning to play the hero 😂😂
I'm just a unranked player, but it's annoying that my teammates do NOT get Slark at all and I get flamed for "running away" when I'm at low health. Especially annoying if both teams are mostly burst damage heroes, so I either get bursted down by the enemy team and get called useless, or be told I don't do enough damage and get called a coward for running away (but surviving with low HP) after stealing a bunch of Agi.
Typical dota 2 player. No knowledge of anything outside their horribly made game that still has more bugs and glitches than an early access survival game on Steam.
@@MewronYTtypical wannabe CZcamsr. Trashy tierlist content with no views and all about other CZcamsrs. Not a single thing to say about anything other than CZcamsr drama bait
One of the bigger questions that I have: is why do people make Thumbnails with Slark as a Shark?! He looks absolutely nothing like one, in the game, and he's definitely not one
I don't know much about Slark but I don't understand that why is so good. Being able see that enemy can see you (ward or invis heroes) is strong ability. Other than that other carry heroes are stronger and better spells than Slark in my opinion. Anti-mage, Faceless Void, Alchemist and Slardar feels so much better because they have everything Slark has (mobility and escaping abilities) and they also have stun and better farming skills.
Slark is capable of virtually endless agi scaling in addition to the other aspects of his kit you mentioned. no hero exists in a vacuum, and while he might not be at the top of the carry list, that doesnt matter if you can carry and win with him.
abusing slark's vision advantage to deward before fights is key. that way during fights you know youre safe, and they can't find you. really frustrating to play against
How is slark good or back? Mage slayer nerf hit Ember and Slark really hard + the additional increased in CD for pounce hurts this hero ALOT. This explains why slark was one of the biggest losers in terms of win rate change along with ember spirit. Not saying this hero is bad, but rather situational and average
Honestly, I hate slark. I hated him ever since they introduced him to the original DOTA way back then. I think he really does not fit dota and transforms the game into a roller coaster, since he is very snowbally from he getgo and very strong and he is only balanced by the slark players overcommitment. Basically, if there is a decent slark player and he is not countered, you are kind of wait for slark to throw the game. It almost never feels like you win vs slark, (unless you are finishing game early with cheese compositions) but it feels like slarks either lose the game or they win it. If you have a nuke comp to counter slark, then you feel like you are the one winning or losing the game, since slark becomes a non-factor. But if not, then every fight feels like you have to all in slark, to burst him before he can do any actions, or he can always get away and if he gets away, then he will come back to kill you all and you used your big spells so you really do not have a plan against him. And making the games so focused on all-ins just makes the game much worse for me.
Besides the great tip to get out of pounce. Slark is the bait for people to either cheat or smurf. Don't approve of this video. slarks mechanics make it easy for him to win solo pub games, Because players like to farm. Slark and sniper need to be deleted for a balanced game
slark is my favourite pos 5 hero, everyone is so afraid of it they instantly report me. since then im stuck in low prio and behavior is less then 1k :( i like slark pos 5 so much though
"If your teammate is a slark and hes got a good start, hes a fantastic hero to gank for" should be a mantra
POS 3 Enjoyers hear me out. This fish is countered by Centaur. U double edge it on lane and use ur stomp as well. Best support to have with you is Tiny. Keep going at him and you will increase your mmr. I played 23 cent games last 4 days. 12 games against slark 11-1 4k mmr
6k mmr here; the Centaur-Slark matchup in a vacuum is Slark favored. I also believe there are much stronger support pairings than Tiny in the current meta.
@@Fathomorg What are slark counters for pos 1 2 3
@@Fathomorg I would recommend Tiny because if the huge burst it can deal, but I agree there are better supports
@@FathomorgCent dumpsters slark in lane. But if you don't win the lane he will be a problem.
@@thoughtrover6400 if slark has an active bullying support, its RIP. If his support is semi afk you can punish him well
You know slark is good when bsj re-releases yet another slark hero guide 😂
Honestly this type of content what dota need. Telling what to do recover from difficult game.
Let me give you my ability draft notes on Slark.
Shadow dance: first pickable skill. Great sustain. You can pick it on any hero. Core is preferred.
Essence shift: If you are ranged agi or universal, it is first pickable. If you are ranged int, there are probably better options. If you are a good melee agi such as Jugg, you can pick it but you need to make sure that you have a catching skill (like blink). If the next person in the opponent team is a super strong ranged agi such as Gyro, you can consider denying it because it can snowball so fast.
Pounce: not first pickable on any hero. There are always better options than this. As 3rd or 4th pick, you can take it for escape purposes. You can also consider it to exploit multiple aghanims upgrade.
Dark pact: not first pickable but you can take it on a super tanky hero like Centaur. Strong dispel is always useful. It comboes well with aftershock too because of relatively short cd, dispel and good damage.
Slark model: the only way to make this model work is to go hard support. Take stuns, slows, catching skills, etc. Don't try to force mid, carry or tank because you can't. Slark is one of the worst heroes in the game. People who first pick essence shift on Slark model almost always lose the game. No skill is good enough to turn this model into a core.
who the fuck plays ability draft
@@solaire6116 You should try. It's really fun and every game is different by design. Draft phase is far more important than regular Dota because you have to be aware of possible overpowered combinations. Anyway. There is quite a player base. I can find a game in roughly 1 minute in SEA and 3-5 minutes in EU and NA. The players who play AD usually don't play any ranked at all. I play AD regularly but I haven't played a single ranked game for 6 years now. I have played 4k AD games.
Another fun thing is that you have to know how to play carry, mid, offlaner, and support pretty well because your role is dictated by the hero model and the pick order. You should really try it. You won't regret.
One more thing. Slark in ability draft is a vibe killer. The hero is almost unplayable. You have to dedicate yourself to hard support to be useful.
@@solaire6116 fr dude its trash
God I love ability draft but i’m addicted to mmr number go up. I could read these AD analyses all day
what do you think of soul ring in slark? i think its an amazing farming item
does shard work inside chrono? I at least remember it didn't use too
Thoughts on Diffusal rush now that it has a mana cost? Raindrops aren't really enough to sustain your mana, Dark Pact, and Diffusal
the range creep bait is actually the one I need thanks my guy
oh , damn , "slark imprisoning the opponents" that shit stuck in my head. Slark is one of my besties and like monkey man he's been imprisoned , its so cool that he "imprisons" the enemies
Yeah when he said this i got goosebumps, if you consider lore. And my favorite Slark quote is "Your body was a cage. I just set you free".
2024 woke$lark
I mean he does have some experience from dark reef prison
@@prdelmasaknadlik2004 goosebumps? xd , i just find it cool
Hey @BSJ,
thanks for the guide, but is this with new 7.35c item nerfs in mind? At 20:46 you are talking about items from 7.35b.
Did you missspoke or is the build unchanged or can you elaborate on mageslayer VS orchid rush or any early/mid-game item choices?
this was recorded for 7.35b patch. Too bad that the update came when he's about to post it
Mage slayer is still good on slark
Havent watched the video but hasnt slark been nerfed with items and one ability?
Hi BSJ, in second case, why skill essence shift as 2nd level instead of pounce? You're is not fight back, as you said no? So why skill a level in contrast with your mind concept?
Please, more of this kind of content!
You look sneaky exactly like Slark I'm not surprised
What heroes should I not pick Slark?
ty for time and effort
The best Slark guide ever.
thanks BSJ, with the 7.35c patch would you say orchid over mage slayer is like 50% of games? 30%? what sort of ratio should it be built now that the gold difference is 400 smaller and mage slayer got some other nerfs?
I see mage slayer as just a defensive orchid
Both shut down spell casters, but one is better if you're initiating on someone, and one is better if you're being initiated against
Orchid also better Vs mobility, mage slayer better Vs heavy magic
Great video, thank you
so much information here
loving the videos and all that but did you really need to get advertisement from SAP? like really?
Yo BSJ you’re the best! Keep making top quality content ❤
how do you play him against night stalker and riki (with aoe silences)
Bkb
also disperser
I think for porpuses of information it could be usefull if you include the patch version on the description... Just had a patch recently where mage slayer got nerfed, im not sure if it is that good on slark anymore, since orchid is also cheaper now.. Great video tho!
In my (unranked) experience and from watching other BSJ vids, Orchid for heroes with blinks/escapes (E.g. Antimage/Puck), Mageslayer for anything else.
He should be focusing on one hero at a time anyway though so the nerf to Mageslayer in regards to Slark is minimal.
In any case, Slark loves both items for the mana regen and the great build up of Oblivion Staff.
I'm gonna be that told-you-so guy and say I asked BSJ on stream a few months ago about buying blink on slark, he said he thought it didn't seem too good. Looked pretty sexy in that second replay though
How do you know there are wards whenever you deward?
HP regen
Where is this thumbnail shark from, please i need to know!?!?!?!!😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
do you need to hit them harder?
do you need to hit them faster?
do you need a moonshard?
do you need a basher?
- dr suess
Who is Melinda and why is she a viper?
thank you man
the ultimate dewarding carry pick!
Slark is my favorite as well. Used him on an forgotten patch (2019 or 2020 i think) where I could 2v1 a 5slotted Alchemist and a 4slotted Spectre. Nothing else made me feel like a god in dota2
Invoker player enters the chat
Can we use Slark offlane Bsj ?
The best carry in the game without a doubt
Nice vid bsj
Do you need to hit them harder, do you need to hit them faster. Do you need a moon shard, do you need a basher
I'm hard
While I've already burnt the directional move+pounce to my muscle memory, i'm really puzzled why valve doesn't change pounce to a point and click spell (ground/hero targeting) so that it won't go in a random direction
Sometimes I'm thinking it's meant to troll new players learning to play the hero 😂😂
Then, you couldn't pounce out of danger or non visible units.
@@jackcarren8781 HUH?
@@jackcarren8781I think you misunderstood - I meant ground targeted spell that controls the direction of the pounce
dare you to play some 5 slark on stream. if you can kill in the lane lvl 1-2 you snowball the map harder than like any other support
as pos3 enjoyer my boy darkseer bully him early
8:39 whats the difference in making the decision of hitting them faster or hitting them harder ?
generally length of fights and how much you need to burst the one guy who your team can disable for you.
I'm just a unranked player, but it's annoying that my teammates do NOT get Slark at all and I get flamed for "running away" when I'm at low health. Especially annoying if both teams are mostly burst damage heroes, so I either get bursted down by the enemy team and get called useless, or be told I don't do enough damage and get called a coward for running away (but surviving with low HP) after stealing a bunch of Agi.
If your pos 3 and see slark in enemy team, pick elder titan. One of the few offlaners that can actually outdamage him in melee
More content where?
How do you know if you are in vision?
his ults passive regen is disabled when in vision.
@@jacobhuntLFC huh 🤔 thanks bro
Pale Horse should be backk too
my main hero is back yeah
yep im a support player but slark is my favourite core
46 min video about Slark... . Yep, seems like BSJ 😂
Slark never gets nerfed
wouldnt orchid be a good item in the 2nd game since ww is a major threat with curse
I feel like void is the hardest counter, id the game goes well for faceless its gg
it's definitely up there but i'd say doom is the hardest counter
Pretty sure BSJ said previously that Faceless was his favorite hero
Slack has been his obvious favorite for the last 8 years at least
Dude that Microphone is not omni-directional, it's meant to be facing your mouth.
Typical dota 2 player. No knowledge of anything outside their horribly made game that still has more bugs and glitches than an early access survival game on Steam.
@@MewronYTtypical wannabe CZcamsr. Trashy tierlist content with no views and all about other CZcamsrs. Not a single thing to say about anything other than CZcamsr drama bait
@@MewronYT My guy you made a tier list of youtubers lmfao. Typical recycled garbage content creator. Not surprised you have no views
One of the bigger questions that I have: is why do people make Thumbnails with Slark as a Shark?! He looks absolutely nothing like one, in the game, and he's definitely not one
@@MewronYT lol did you really come to BSJs channel just to drag DotA players in general? What DotA player hurt your feelings? 😂
I don't know much about Slark but I don't understand that why is so good. Being able see that enemy can see you (ward or invis heroes) is strong ability. Other than that other carry heroes are stronger and better spells than Slark in my opinion. Anti-mage, Faceless Void, Alchemist and Slardar feels so much better because they have everything Slark has (mobility and escaping abilities) and they also have stun and better farming skills.
Slark is capable of virtually endless agi scaling in addition to the other aspects of his kit you mentioned. no hero exists in a vacuum, and while he might not be at the top of the carry list, that doesnt matter if you can carry and win with him.
abusing slark's vision advantage to deward before fights is key. that way during fights you know youre safe, and they can't find you. really frustrating to play against
PRO TIP!
You can make directional move alt+right-click
how? :O
Slark has never left numb nuts
(pick brewmaster)
Harder, faster, moon shard, basher
Fun Fact: Depth Shroud can cancel duel
prefire like
at 8:36, Brian be spitting bars bro!
Worth noting that with 7.35c the stocks of orchid are up relative to the mage slayer
mage slayer is still good on slark, it's been bought on slark for multiple patches already and the orchid buff doesn't take it away.
Matt Wolfe enjoyer?
Darc pact
Hey BSJ just wondering if I can see your BigSloppyJohnson anytime soon
I've been banning slark a lot recently and this patch buffs him a ton
If you want to easily kill slark at every stage of the game pick primal mid ezz game
Hey guys today ill be doing a guide on how to full report your team
Been a little bit out of the loop. Since when was the goofy intro removed? :C
was slark ever been out of meta??
information gatherer-suppier
all of Slark tool make me disgust this creatures, have tons of escape, perfect invi/map control and a dispell
hope this hero never be meta again
How is slark good or back? Mage slayer nerf hit Ember and Slark really hard + the additional increased in CD for pounce hurts this hero ALOT. This explains why slark was one of the biggest losers in terms of win rate change along with ember spirit. Not saying this hero is bad, but rather situational and average
45:01 tf DK with a Viper head
Yo Bsj
Honestly, I hate slark. I hated him ever since they introduced him to the original DOTA way back then. I think he really does not fit dota and transforms the game into a roller coaster, since he is very snowbally from he getgo and very strong and he is only balanced by the slark players overcommitment.
Basically, if there is a decent slark player and he is not countered, you are kind of wait for slark to throw the game. It almost never feels like you win vs slark, (unless you are finishing game early with cheese compositions) but it feels like slarks either lose the game or they win it.
If you have a nuke comp to counter slark, then you feel like you are the one winning or losing the game, since slark becomes a non-factor. But if not, then every fight feels like you have to all in slark, to burst him before he can do any actions, or he can always get away and if he gets away, then he will come back to kill you all and you used your big spells so you really do not have a plan against him. And making the games so focused on all-ins just makes the game much worse for me.
wait u cant pounce out of arena, i remember u can?
When BSJ wanna brag about his w/l balance on slark xD
CONSENSUALLY. LMAO.
Showing off a game against offlane void spirit is kinda useless since its a weak ass 3 lane wise
I am winning against slark with my void
You forgot to mention harpoon removes pounce bsj ! As a slark player i know that xd
Es Echo lmao
Hey first
didn't he just get kind of nerfed?
@@jonathanfan3709 small number decrease but overall meta pick is decent vs these hard lock carries like Chrono
Besides the great tip to get out of pounce. Slark is the bait for people to either cheat or smurf. Don't approve of this video. slarks mechanics make it easy for him to win solo pub games, Because players like to farm. Slark and sniper need to be deleted for a balanced game
when slark is strong the meta sucks.
I hate this hero so much…
slark is my favourite pos 5 hero, everyone is so afraid of it they instantly report me. since then im stuck in low prio and behavior is less then 1k :( i like slark pos 5 so much though
Then I guess u deserve it lmao😂
Pos 5?? 😂
You sure that your behaviour has nothing to do with these reports? ^^
Like from low mmr perpective Slark pos 5 is THE Greatest Ward Dewarder ever.
ahahah imagine playing a moba and looking kda xD
I hope Slark is banned every game)
You favourite hero eats shit on a silver spoon from my carry.
mahboi slark..how about slark offlane mr bsj?jenkins style.
Terrible. Slark on paper is weak af on lane. He cant actively harass 95% of the heroes in the game.