This is what Gross left out of his Jedwabne "novelette" that even he admitted is not thorough "scholarship": SS-Hauptsturmführer Wolfgang Birkner was investigated by prosecutors in West Germany in 1960 on suspicion of involvement in the massacres of Jews in Jedwabne, Radziłów, and Wąsosz in 1941. The charges were based on research by Szymon Datner, head of the Białystok branch of the Central Committee of Polish Jews (CŻKH). The German prosecutors found no hard evidence implicating Birkner, but in the course of their investigation they discovered a new German witness, the former SS Kreiskommissar of Łomża, who named the Gestapo paramilitary Einsatzgruppe B under SS-Obersturmführer Hermann Schaper as having been deployed in the area at the time of the pogroms. The methods used by Schaper's death squad in the Radziłów massacre were identical to those employed in Jedwabne only three days later, suggesting their specific involvement in that pogrom also. The evidence collected by the West Germans, including the positive identification of Schaper by witnesses from Łomża, Tykocin, and Radziłów, suggested that it was indeed Schaper's men who carried out the killings in those locations. Investigators also suspected, based on the similarity of the methods used to destroy the Jewish communities of Radziłów, Tykocin, Rutki, Zambrów, Jedwabne, Piątnica and Wizna between July and September 1941 that Schaper's men were the perpetrators. According to Nazi German occupational jurisprudence in Poland, it was a CAPITAL OFFENCE to possess PETROL or FIREARMS without German permission, and if you were caught, there were no appeals, ONLY SUMMARY MURDER.
Super wykład. Nauczyciel z historii w 1 liceum dał nam jako prace domową książki Grossa i zacząłem zgłębiać temat. Myślę że Gross to historyk wielkiej wagi i dobrze że nie zajął się fizyką bo byłaby to duża strata dla historiografii nowoczesnej Polski w ogóle.
gdyby zajął się fizyką, to zaprzeczyłby grawitacji i wszystkim podstawowym prawom fizyki, to mitoman i fantasta, nienawidzący Polski, jak jego stalinowscy kumple z bandy michnika, gdyż oni kochali PRL, zgożkniały staruch szukający taniego poklasku, ma to wypisane na twarzy, ciągły grymas, on chyba nawet nienawidzi siebie samego
Książka grossa o Jedwabnem zaczęła być obalana już przy rozpoczęciu ekshumacji. Przy znalezieniu łusek Żydzi powiedzieli dość i kazali pracę. Czas wznowić pracę i odkłamać historię przy jednoczesnym niszczeniu tych pseudo-historyków. Twój nauczyciel powinien siedzieć w więzieniu!
Stalin used so many Jews in the Ministry of Public Security (Poland) because so many Jews had been loyal Communists for so long. In addition, Stalin probably reckoned that Polish Jews would have no trace of loyalty to Poland, while Polish gentile Communists may still have some. (The latter was eventually borne out in a sense, for example, by Wladyslaw Gomulka’s “nationalist deviation”.) Examples of Jewish Communists that later became part of the elite: Leon Andrzejewski, Zygmunt Braude, Mieczyslaw Broniatowski, Julia Brystiger, Jozef Czaplicki, Anatol Fejgin, Marek Fink, Leon Gangel, Marian Jurkowski, Edward Kalecki, Julian Konar, Jozef Kratko, Mieczyslaw Mietkowski, Zygmunt Okret, Henryk Piasecki, Ludwik Przysuski, Roman Romkowski, Jozef Rozanski, Leon Rubinsztein, Jozef Swiatlo, and Michal Taboryski. Of course, many Jewish Communists had changed their names to Polish ones. The best-known Jewish officer in the Bezpieka was Jozef Swiatlo (Izaak Flieschfarb) because of his defection to the west in December 1953. Many of the Communist concentration camps and prisons, in subjugated Poland, were administered by Jews. The best known of the Jewish wardens was Salomon (Shlomo) Morel. He was director of the camps at Swietochlowice-Zgodza (1945) and Jaworzno (1949-1951). He also was the commandant of the prisons, for example, in Opole (1945-1946), Katowice (1946-1948) and Ilawa (1951-1953). In time, he became a symbol of Communist crimes and the Poles’ inability to bring the criminals to justice. (After the fall of Communism in Poland, Morel, reacting to publicity about his crimes, was one of several Jewish functionaries who fled Poland. Israel welcomed him and protected him. (So much for the myth that Jewish Communists are not really Jews). Despite Polish requests, Israel refused to extradite him, claiming such considerations as his illness and advanced age. However, Israel had no problem supporting the extradition and prosecution of ill and aging Nazis). Pointedly, Morel was just the tip of the iceberg. Other examples of high-level Jewish functionaries in charge of Communist prisons and concentration campsare: Mieczyslaw (Moszek, Moishe) Flaum - leader of the camp at Milecinie near Wloclawek (1945-1946); Beniamin (Benjamin) Glatter - in charge of the prison at Goleniow (1949 r.); Franciszek (Efraim) Klitenik-director of a number of prisons in Wroclaw (1946-1947), Dzierzoniow (1947-1951), and Lodz (1951-1958); Sewer [Sever] Rozen - the head of a number of prisons in Wielun (1947) and Barczew (1947-1951); Oskar Rozenberg - director of the prison at Potulice (1951-1953); Kazimierz Szymanowicz - leader of the prison at Rawicz (1945-1947); and Saul Wajntraub [Weintraub]-director of the prisons at Klodzko (1948-1951) and Warsaw (1951-1954)...
In his infamous book there are no mention about Einsatzkommando Zichenau and Bialystok which are accused as a perpetrators of Jedwabne Massacre. By a real historians. And no mention about their commanders: wolfgang birkner and hermann schaper. Why? Just ignorance or something else?
According to the wisdom of the Talmud, in the Zohar splendor let the divine punishment of the d'niña pulse reach all wicked who defile the dignity of Poland and Poles. Let God's fiery whips lash the wicked at any time, place, or situation. They are damned wherever they go. Out of the rescue, only the forgiveness of Poles can endure the Curse.
@@Kajojek and even if he was right. Lets see what happened with the jews in western states like france during vichy regime. Or how the world judged ybout jews on Evian conference.
@@BrinkmannDr They want to extort the money. There's a business to be made and Poland is in the way. Forget about all the lives lost and sacrifice to save them. That's why pople don't like them. Go figure
@@andrewkatz5035 nikt??? To będę pierwsza... prawdziwy Polak nie zakłamuje historii swojego własnego narodu...jest z nim sercem i duchem.... zawsze...nigdy nie pluje na rodaków....
I'm Polish and I'm ashamed by most comments I can find here. Even if only one Pole killed or denounced other man hiding during any war (especially last one), I feel ashamed and I say: if I were there, I'd do anything I could to treat bandits as they deserved. I'm ashamed knowing that so many Poles were sadistic murderers just like nazis. I'm ashamed that they have not even a bit of honesty to confess after all these years. And it's a shame, that so many Poles stop here just to call Mr.Gross a lier. Stop and ask your father: "where were you?". Shame on Poland, nothing will change it anymore. We live in dark times.
The witnesses testified that the poor souls were killed by Germans.
yeah, right!
liar!
This is what Gross left out of his Jedwabne "novelette" that even he admitted is not thorough "scholarship":
SS-Hauptsturmführer Wolfgang Birkner was investigated by prosecutors in West Germany in 1960 on suspicion of involvement in the massacres of Jews in Jedwabne, Radziłów, and Wąsosz in 1941. The charges were based on research by Szymon Datner, head of the Białystok branch of the Central Committee of Polish Jews (CŻKH). The German prosecutors found no hard evidence implicating Birkner, but in the course of their investigation they discovered a new German witness, the former SS Kreiskommissar of Łomża, who named the Gestapo paramilitary Einsatzgruppe B under SS-Obersturmführer Hermann Schaper as having been deployed in the area at the time of the pogroms. The methods used by Schaper's death squad in the Radziłów massacre were identical to those employed in Jedwabne only three days later, suggesting their specific involvement in that pogrom also.
The evidence collected by the West Germans, including the positive identification of Schaper by witnesses from Łomża, Tykocin, and Radziłów, suggested that it was indeed Schaper's men who carried out the killings in those locations. Investigators also suspected, based on the similarity of the methods used to destroy the Jewish communities of Radziłów, Tykocin, Rutki, Zambrów, Jedwabne, Piątnica and Wizna between July and September 1941 that Schaper's men were the perpetrators.
According to Nazi German occupational jurisprudence in Poland, it was a CAPITAL OFFENCE to possess PETROL or FIREARMS without German permission, and if you were caught, there were no appeals, ONLY SUMMARY MURDER.
Super wykład. Nauczyciel z historii w 1 liceum dał nam jako prace domową książki Grossa i zacząłem zgłębiać temat. Myślę że Gross to historyk wielkiej wagi i dobrze że nie zajął się fizyką bo byłaby to duża strata dla historiografii nowoczesnej Polski w ogóle.
gdyby zajął się fizyką, to zaprzeczyłby grawitacji i wszystkim podstawowym prawom fizyki, to mitoman i fantasta, nienawidzący Polski, jak jego stalinowscy kumple z bandy michnika, gdyż oni kochali PRL, zgożkniały staruch szukający taniego poklasku, ma to wypisane na twarzy, ciągły grymas, on chyba nawet nienawidzi siebie samego
Książka grossa o Jedwabnem zaczęła być obalana już przy rozpoczęciu ekshumacji. Przy znalezieniu łusek Żydzi powiedzieli dość i kazali pracę. Czas wznowić pracę i odkłamać historię przy jednoczesnym niszczeniu tych pseudo-historyków.
Twój nauczyciel powinien siedzieć w więzieniu!
Historyk????? Do informuj sie.
Podaj nazwisko nauczyciela i nazwę szkoły?
kłamca - w Polsce skończony! WSTYD!
ale na świecie szanowany! so go fly your Polak kite on the Moon
@@andrewkatz5035 tylko w zydowskim swiecie klamcow i oszczercow
Szkoda ze go Polscy kolaboranci w dniu niepodleglosci nie zatrudnili jako tego fachowca,perfekt
Stalin used so many Jews in the Ministry of Public Security (Poland) because so many Jews had been loyal Communists for so long. In addition, Stalin probably reckoned that Polish Jews would have no trace of loyalty to Poland, while Polish gentile Communists may still have some. (The latter was eventually borne out in a sense, for example, by Wladyslaw Gomulka’s “nationalist deviation”.) Examples of Jewish Communists that later became part of the elite: Leon Andrzejewski, Zygmunt Braude, Mieczyslaw Broniatowski, Julia Brystiger, Jozef Czaplicki, Anatol Fejgin, Marek Fink, Leon Gangel, Marian Jurkowski, Edward Kalecki, Julian Konar, Jozef Kratko, Mieczyslaw Mietkowski, Zygmunt Okret, Henryk Piasecki, Ludwik Przysuski, Roman Romkowski, Jozef Rozanski, Leon Rubinsztein, Jozef Swiatlo, and Michal Taboryski.
Of course, many Jewish Communists had changed their names to Polish ones. The best-known Jewish officer in the Bezpieka was Jozef Swiatlo (Izaak Flieschfarb) because of his defection to the west in December 1953.
Many of the Communist concentration camps and prisons, in subjugated Poland, were administered by Jews. The best known of the Jewish wardens was Salomon (Shlomo) Morel. He was director of the camps at Swietochlowice-Zgodza (1945) and Jaworzno (1949-1951). He also was the commandant of the prisons, for example, in Opole (1945-1946), Katowice (1946-1948) and Ilawa (1951-1953). In time, he became a symbol of Communist crimes and the Poles’ inability to bring the criminals to justice. (After the fall of Communism in Poland, Morel, reacting to publicity about his crimes, was one of several Jewish functionaries who fled Poland. Israel welcomed him and protected him. (So much for the myth that Jewish Communists are not really Jews). Despite Polish requests, Israel refused to extradite him, claiming such considerations as his illness and advanced age. However, Israel had no problem supporting the extradition and prosecution of ill and aging Nazis).
Pointedly, Morel was just the tip of the iceberg. Other examples of high-level Jewish functionaries in charge of Communist prisons and concentration campsare: Mieczyslaw (Moszek, Moishe) Flaum - leader of the camp at Milecinie near Wloclawek (1945-1946); Beniamin (Benjamin) Glatter - in charge of the prison at Goleniow (1949 r.); Franciszek (Efraim) Klitenik-director of a number of prisons in Wroclaw (1946-1947), Dzierzoniow (1947-1951), and Lodz (1951-1958); Sewer [Sever] Rozen - the head of a number of prisons in Wielun (1947) and Barczew (1947-1951); Oskar Rozenberg - director of the prison at Potulice (1951-1953); Kazimierz Szymanowicz - leader of the prison at Rawicz (1945-1947); and Saul Wajntraub [Weintraub]-director of the prisons at Klodzko (1948-1951) and Warsaw (1951-1954)...
There is no reason whatsoever for Jews who experienced and witnessed atrocities...to attribute to Poles crimes that were perpetrated by the Germans...
except the ones that were perpetrated by the Poles
In his infamous book there are no mention about Einsatzkommando Zichenau and Bialystok which are accused as a perpetrators of Jedwabne Massacre. By a real historians. And no mention about their commanders: wolfgang birkner and hermann schaper. Why? Just ignorance or something else?
Liar !!! Liar !!! Liar !!!
What date was this talk held?
So maybe this great polish professor should go and educate german people?
It is shameful, that famous University of Haifa invited liar Gross, to spit his lies to young Israeli students.
really now.. spit lies? We remember the truth!
Andrew Katz - remember? What do you remember?
it's a shame that Poland does not own up to its collaborative past with the nazis.
Andrew Katz - do you remember also collaborative past of Jews against their own people with nazis. Do you remember kapo Jews too?
terrible english, Princeton univeristy professor seriously??!
well, he is a Pole. What did you expect, British accent?
@@andrewkatz5035 no, at least DECENT english
what he talking about?this is blast
Liar!
Well known deceptive author.
NB: interviewed by student Pe’era Feldman-Gordon.
I am sorry, but I am not impressed by his English. As a profesor of Princeton he should be fluent. Boring lecture.
he is not an intelligent man. He found a very profitable topic and he was promoted because of that... :)
This is the face of liar.He is not Jew.He would like to be.But he is noone.He is just a village stupid guy talking shits.Look at him.He is pitiful.
He is The Liar.
According to the wisdom of the Talmud, in the Zohar splendor let the divine punishment of the d'niña pulse reach all wicked who defile the dignity of Poland and Poles. Let God's fiery whips lash the wicked at any time, place, or situation. They are damned wherever they go. Out of the rescue, only the forgiveness of Poles can endure the Curse.
Talmud and Zohar have nothing to do with one another, shmock!
J.T. Gross is a liar.
An irrelevant and disappointed man tries to give his life a sense. So he writes lectures with controversial topics. No big fuzz about it.
And a lier ! Proven lier.
@@Kajojek and even if he was right. Lets see what happened with the jews in western states like france during vichy regime. Or how the world judged ybout jews on Evian conference.
@@BrinkmannDr They want to extort the money. There's a business to be made and Poland is in the way. Forget about all the lives lost and sacrifice to save them. That's why pople don't like them. Go figure
he and him friends in jail,?now i see hees better in english
ze moj angielski jest na tyle dobry ze sam go rozumiem
po tym czyms,czuje sie lepiej
liar liar pants on fire
mowisz o sobie?
Sorry but you should care
Kłamca...nikt więcej
pwoiedzial co wiedzial. Bo prawda w oczy kole
@@andrewkatz5035 prawda kole w oczy Jego tylko...nie jest Polakiem i nigdy nim nie będzie. ...g.... wie
Do tej pory nikt mi nigdy nie był w stanie podać definicji pojęcia "Polak"
@@andrewkatz5035 nikt??? To będę pierwsza... prawdziwy Polak nie zakłamuje historii swojego własnego narodu...jest z nim sercem i duchem.... zawsze...nigdy nie pluje na rodaków....
dezezejzyyn or komunizejszyn
I'm Polish and I'm ashamed by most comments I can find here. Even if only one Pole killed or denounced other man hiding during any war (especially last one), I feel ashamed and I say: if I were there, I'd do anything I could to treat bandits as they deserved. I'm ashamed knowing that so many Poles were sadistic murderers just like nazis. I'm ashamed that they have not even a bit of honesty to confess after all these years. And it's a shame, that so many Poles stop here just to call Mr.Gross a lier. Stop and ask your father: "where were you?". Shame on Poland, nothing will change it anymore. We live in dark times.
"So many poles were sadistic murderers", name few then.
and and and
dobrze gwiazdorzy
no lepiej mu po angielsku idzie ,,,,
LIAR!!!!!
liar
Mr Gross you are not historian and you should read Holokaust Industry, please start reading.
Again mr gross dont know how to speek