It's Not Spyware, It's a Feature!
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 21. 05. 2024
- Today I talk about Microsoft's decision to spy on everyone and announce it as a feature. Alternative title: Windows is Now Officially Spyware
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I tried Linux Mint many moons ago and it was far too buggy. After many years on Windows I just moved to Aurora Linux (Universal-blue project) and it is very stable. I feel like the Linux desktop is finally starting to arrive for the masses and just in time. The new Windows is a hard pass for me.
"Windows Copilot has noticed you are typing unapproved words regarding a protected topic. Screenshots are being sent to your local law enforcement for re-education"
Not everyone that cares about privacy breaks the law
@@kderah I think the implication here is that the law will be redefined to include thought policing - that's the danger here.
1/2 the linux community would be all over this.
"Your machine has been detected accessing content that goes against Microsoft's company policies on DEI, we are revoking your Windows license and locking your PC."
@@jer1776 To hell they are time to delete Windows.
$20 says Microsoft let this come out, and then they will eventually say "OK, we changed our mind, we hear your complaints we will not do this", and when everyone stop looking, they will instead implement something much sneakier and just slightly less invasive, but still a ton more invasive than currently exists.
Have you not noticed that Microsoft doesn't listen to anyone but their share holders and board members? Their entire install base could rail on and on about how we all dislike something, but Microsoft will just double down and tell you to hold their beer every time. They are just as anti-consumer as Oracle, IBM, Apple, and Google all rolled into one.
Hopefully it can be by passed somehow
like how Sony did with their PSN requirements...
I think they all on the ai train,build 24 was basically all ai
The next version will also have a key logger, because that would be a good next step. And they will probably start grabbing your webcam images too. It's all a large bowl of Suck, especially for the Home SKU where gpo doesn't work.
This time Microsoft tried to cook the frog way too quickly.
Nah, that's on purpose. They want to implement something outrageous, everyone gets mad, they tone it down to what they actually wanted to implement. MS is happy because they get what they wanted from the beginning on, and the people are happy because they "won" over Microsoft.
@@Linuxdirk 2 steps forward, 1 back. net forward 1 step
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"It's not spyware! It's Microsoft"
"It's not spyware! It's spyware"
@@almewr Spywareâą
Spyware in 2010:jail
Spyware in 2024: big new windows ai feature
Microsoft doesn't need to be just sued the company needs to be banned and rot in fucking hell.
It's a windows feature. Lol
The "shitification" of Windows. Well said.
Microshaft making this mandatory is George Orwell's 1984 in real life.
This is like Bruce Willis Red movie in real life they want to know your every move don't comply!!!!!
When bigtech talks about security, they mean THEIR security. Not Your security.
If Big Tech's security can be shit, then our security is just as - if not more - vulnerable
Just like politicians talk about national security. It's not security for people but for government.
@@wiktorwektor123 new Microsoft Windows:
@@wiktorwektor123 just the same thing when they say "Diversity is our strength". Who is "our"? I'll let you guess.
Yup. x86 consumer hardware is highly securable.
Year of the linux desktop đ
Microsoftâs actions have managed to make me a Linux user this year and I ainât looking back, mostly because Solus is such a great OS.
@@terry2295 same for me too but i am on linux mint xfce
Windows 11 become full spyware, it's no longer OS, its spyware with OS fetures.
Windows - Making every machine on the planet a honey pot for scammers, hackers, identity stealers etc etc.
usually honey pots are decoys, microsoft is actually making windows boxes actual targets.
"I don't trust Microsoft and neither should you." The best tech advice anyone could ever receive.
Scary ! So glad to be a Linux only user for over 12 years.
Yep, when i quit Windows it was because Win95 dropped and i was just over this BS. Been daily driving Linux for almost 30 years. Only time i'm reminded it exists is when dystopian meme level stuff like this drops lol.
Same :D
Complete invasion of privacy
Sad part is nobody is gonna put there foot down and ban Microsoft.
@@TechnoMinded-qp5in IKR, why tho ARE PEOPLE HAPPY ABOUT OUR DEMOCRACY TURNING INTO A POLICE STATE?!?!
Recall Recall Recall. I think I took a vacation through them once. I was a secret agent on mars.
That was funny!
Yes, it's Total Recall.
So glad I ditched Windows after Windows 7.
Same here
I was on until Windows 10, I was a lot less technical and Linux was a lot more technical back when I first tried it. Happy to be on Mint now though
@@hopelessdecoy Yes, this is a strange trend right? Before, you didn't need to be technical to use windows and many people weren't/still are not. But as windows gets more in your face with these anti-features, it pushes people into becoming more technical or at least more willing to research the various methods to turn things off, from settings to regedit to policy editor, task scheduling, service disablement etc. Eventually, people get a little fed up with the hoop jumping enough to move off from windows to something else?
Considering how far Linux gaming has come, I'm jumping ship when Windows 10 support ends.
Ditched-Windows-after-Windows-7-club unite!
20 years ago, if there was a piece of malware going around that does this, everyone would be panicking about it. But now that the malware comes with the operating system, everyone shrugs their shoulders.
I haven't used Windows on a regular basis for a couple years, but this is probably what gets me to wipe that drive and replace with Linux for good. Microsoft has lost it's damn mind.
I can't think of a single reason why I would need a visual history of the things I did with my own computer.
But I can think of plenty of reasons why corporations, advertisers and government agencies would want it.
I feel that Windows 11 is going to have a worse reputation than Windows ME lol.
ME was just kind of broken in some areas. It wasnât actively hostile to users.
@@keyboard_g The worst part is, they would most likely never reverse these terrible features. Things can only get worse from here.
@@Jesse-ig8mm See their 5 year plan I leaked elsewhere in comments.
@@keyboard_g while win11's many flaws are only noticeable when you look closely
Was waiting to see which of the Linux channels I follow would be the first to talk about this. It's the ultimate in hilariously, apocalyptically terrible corporate ideas that's going to piss off everyone. I don't know if it will lead to more Linux adoption, but I hope it does. No one at Microsoft, at least at the managerial level, seems to know what they're doing anymore.
Frankly speaking, Microsoftâs doing a bang up job in promoting other operative systems.
Linux might probably get some tech-savvy users, but itâs going to need some actual effort into making sure you need the terminal strictly for advanced configurations if itâs going mainstream.
Mac will manage to get creatives and basic office users in. Is the price worth it right now for everyone else? Not with base 8GB Macs, it isnât.
ChromeOS, LOL⊠LMAO even. Iâm sorry, but outside of YT and Mail, I really donât want to deal with Google either.
Every time I hear about something related to Microsoft, I'm glad I switched to Linux.
Every single time.
Thank god this feature is implemented by a trustworthy company with a clean slate background. Imagine if it was pushed by a company known for their shady tactics such as forcing users in their corporate agenda, having invasive telemetry and preventing you to uninstall software what they want you to use?
I wholeheartedly believe that the vast majority of people will not care about the spyware aspect of this situation, however I do think Recall will make a considerable number of people to switch from Windows simply because of how absolutely broken Recall will be, rendering a considerable number of users' systems completely unusable
Microsoft is getting out of hand. And I can't wait for a large selection of power efficient arm based laptops
Hey at least I finally understand what "AI PC" means.
I now know exactly what I DO NOT want as a customer.
I see what you did there lol
ââ@@Nunya58294 I didn't, mind explaining?
Microsoft is doing wonderful advertisment/case for linux!
I'm sure Chris Titus will figure out how to disable all of this.
It's literally a switch in settings :)
Chris Titus is a telemetry killer
@@SpicysaucedHD you can switch in the windows registery :)
Microsoft cannot be trusted.
If there is a sharp-practices way to do things, they will do it.
If screenshots are being taken by the OS, it is guaranteed they are going to be transmitted to Microsoft.
There is no way they could resist the temptation to abuse any kind of trust they are granted.
It is just not possible for them to ever consistently act ethically.
It is part of the corporate mentality.
They were founded on sharp practices and they still operate that way.
It is what they do.
Or so it seems to me.
What about copyright infringement of screenshots, say if you were reading a book on loan from the library?
This is a great point..
Not just reading books, _ANYTHING YOU CREATE_ is inherently copyrighted to you, the creator. MS does _NOT_ have the right to be taking pictures of your creating without your permission.
â@@Laszlo34 don't worry, you agreed, gave permission, held harmless, perpetually...
Itâs specific to certain new ARM-based PCs, and itâs not mandatory. You can literally turn it on and off in the settings.
Of course, itâs a slippery slope, but for now itâs optional.
â@@Laszlo34thats not how copyright works
It's not AI, it's a giant NLP. I liken AI to a magic trick called cold reading. The magician isn't reading the mark's mind, he's just rapidly guessing at info and pivoting when he gets a hit. I remember back in the 80s when the big idea was called expert systems. Well it looks like the big tech gnomes finally made a giant expert and slapped a sexy new label on it.
It's a vicious cycle, Need winblows for work so schools teach winblows, company's need employees, employees know winblows so company's use winblows, Return to step 1.
Someone or alot of people who are devoted to develope hardware and software for Linux and ARM, and so on will be needed if Linux is gonna evolve to something that is competing with Microsoft Windows. But that's just my take on all this.
Recall will be a bad thing because it uses AI and fills the storage (harddrive) with snapshots and it's problematic because this kind of feature should be optional and the user should get to decide what to install on a computer at all times, this being mandatory installed on a PC is even more disturbing.
linux will never truly be a competitor to windows or macos in the consumer space in my opinion.
The UK governments ICO (Information commissionerâs office) is already investigating this as they have serious privacy and security concernsâŠ. they have called it a "Privacy Nightmare".
If the UK government are concerned no doubt the EU will also be looking into this, Microsoft has already had several run-ins with the EU and is currently in there spotlight again, the EUâs DSA has asked for information regarding its AI and so far, they havenât responded, if they donât respond before the 27th May they could be fined up to 6% of global annual revenue.
Due to EUâs DMA compliance rules EU windows users can now uninstall Edge, OneDrive, disable feeds and remove Bing from windows searchâŠ.
These options should all be available to everyone, however the EU has had to force (legislate) Microsoft to make the changes. I can see many lawsuits ahead!!
Currently Copilot isnât available in the EU as it doesnât conform with the EUâs data privacy laws.
stored locally, but the AI can still inform the servers what it sees, in a nutshell. If I have ever learned anything about computing, it is that things are rarely what they seem on the first sight, or what the corporations claim they are. There was an interview with one of the advocates for this nonsense, he said EVERYTHING you have ever done on the PC can be recalled. That is a blatant lie, since the storage is limited and when reaching the limit, it will either have to stop recording or start overwriting what was there before. Nobody is going to dedicate dozens of terabyte storage for their screenshots, but the MS may have that capacity, in a compacted form.
I believe the approach would be to store hashes of the images captured and that would be stored locally and shared with microsoft servers.
So glad I switched to Zorin Core on all my PCs two years ago. Never once thought of going back.
Secured core PC is a PC that doesn't have Microsoft 3rd party UEFI CA enabled. It means that it can't boot anything except windows (not even older windows versions). The good thing is that they (still) require OEMs to provide an option to enable it or disable SecureBoot completely.
Windows 11 is not the Windows we know. First they won't let you log in without a Microsoft account. Then they block users from installing software that brings back the Windows 7 start menu now this. People should boycott Windows and switch to Linux. I am and ex-Windows user but now use Linux and I will never got back.
Great title. Great content. I always enjoy your work.
Microsoft, the new Norton....
Great video Matt. I agree with all your reasons...and also that this might make a chunk of more savvy users into Linux users :) Keep up the good work!
None of this is a thing in european versions of windows due to laws
Americans: Government bad, free market solve everything.
It's bad enough having Google censoring us, but having me own PC telling me what to do... Thankfully I started using Linux 10 years ago.
Also, a helpful rule of thumb: every corporate promise is one bad quarter away from breaking. Anyone who thinks otherwise is stuck in the 50s.
Let's make government computer cats the only loyalists. They can lock and load their syringes more quickly when Billyboy orders them to.
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Iâm planning on switching over to Linux because of this.
I like how Gentoo looks (early 2000s) vibe.
However a new users as myself, do you know any distros that look similar to Gentooâs logo?
In my experience I would never recommend Gentoo to a new user. If I were you I would go for a distro that works ootb. So something like Fedora and Ubuntu.
There are so many angles to this. One I'm concerned with is (And this will happen.) Is that we will start to see peoples "Recall Dumps" being uploaded to the internet for all to see. If you thought social media shaming was bad. Wait till as an example Your pissed off ex girlfriend decides she going to get revenge by dumping your recall history online. Imagine the scenarios. This is not good at all and Microsoft knows it. They are hoping people are stupid enough to accept it.
I'm so happy I switched to Linux fully 12 years ago... I will never go back to Windows. NEVER
Next great feature: cross device Recall sync... For the benefit of the user WE HAVE TO upload all the data to ours servers...
That will come in an update.
You make Linux seem sexy and promiscuous. Keep it up the good work.
It is, a file based architecture IS fun, hot and sexy and she will do ANYTHING you want if you ask her BASH nicely. Windows looks like your fat Karen grandma, has a headache right now and needs a 3+ hour download and update before she's ready to be cringe and awkward and make things weird again.
should i switch to linux ? i dont thinnk my laptop wifi card work under linux at least in a live enviornment and dualbooting is not a option for me as it is too hard and take too place ? i cant really buy a usb stick as one of my other laptop need repair and need money to fix it ..
So glad I switched to Linux and BSD 25 years ago.
I've been toying with the idea of switching to Linux for over 10 years now. When combined with the intention to get back into coding, this move by M$ may finally make it happen.
Been running Linux on an older laptop to serf the net while I watch tv for years, but always had my main PC Windows for work and gaming. This Recall "feature" caused me to finally make the plunge and set up dual boot on main pc. Got everything working, and surprisingly almost all my games work, AWS works for work, etc... wish I would have made the plunge sooner.
When this was announced on Twitter, I saw a lot of users responding that they're going to adopt Linux as a result. Microsoft appears dedicated to making Linux grow in market share.
I know I never upgraded to 11, I run linux on my laptop and windows on my deskop currently but once eol arrives for 10 I'm switching my desktop to linux. The only reason I didn't switch yet is procrastination honestly. I already use firefox and all my other needs are filled by linux but I'm just wayyy too lazy so I'm waiting until the last moment and then I'll move my ass. (btw my laptop has been running linux since I bought it 2 years ago, windows 10 just didn't do it justice and the guys who sold it to me were slimy indians who pirated windows and ran their shop at the back of a dry cleaning place. suffice to say I uninstalled that windows day 1 and put linux on it.)
That's exactly why I have already switched my desktop/laptops to Linux, once I'd realized the EOL for Win10 is next year...why wait, right?
Honestly, working on computers hasn't been so exciting for a long time...
Enterprise organization would love Recall to spy on their employees
Iâve been a loyal windows user for years since windows 95. I have delved into Linux a bit, but never truly adopted it. Iâm very concerned about this, but I have music production virtual instruments that utilize iLok which is notorious to be difficult to install for wine on Linux. There are alternatives that work on Kontakt that work with wine so Iâve been told, but that would cost me thousands to switch. I guess the Hybrid approach is dual boot. I will do my gaming on Linux and my music production on windows. Planning to dual boot with Arch with the KDE Environment.
What ? Microsoft, creating The 1984 OS finally? I can't believe it. đ
The main problem is that some people will never be able to switch to Linux due to some major app not being supported, so Microsoft will always have their way
since the start of 2024 ive been thinking of getting into linux only i havent yet. this recall announcement has only encouraged me to leave windows instead of enticing me to say with windows.
Me wiping with 'gamer paper': Wait what? Did i just get finessed?
8:30 If you do not pay for the product, then the product is you.
Remember that buying Windows 11 no longer counts as "paying" in the above sentence as MS continually adds more advertisements over the OS.
I need a Linux for my gaming laptop, any good suggestions? Amd ryzen 9 7845 rtx 4070
I think microsoft is forcing people to switch to another OS, otherwise i have no clue why they acting like this
I do think this could be a neat or even a useful feature depending on how it actually works. However, I don't trust Microsoft to implement such an invasive feature with any amount of responsibility.
I think Windows being bad makes Linux better. More users means there's more of a reason to fix bugs, increase support for certain apps, etc.
I do think it's kind of annoying that people will move to Linux not because it's inherently better, but because Windows has just become an absolute mess... Hopefully more distros start creating more physical install media options. I miss the days of Ubuntu CDs in the mail â€
I am all for (finally) switching to Linux, but the XZ near miss was brought to my attention. The enemy you know vs. the one you don't...
Copilot will screenshot me switching to Linux.
Thumbs up for the use of Cory Doctorow's enshirtification. Two thumbs up for the rest of the content.
Rumors are swirling that AMD Is working on a whole new line of ARM Based CPUs and APUs for consumers to be released soon.
"Hold still you won't feel a thing."
Welp, i am not going to use Windows 11 ever and support for 10 runs out October next year. Guess i'll have to switch to Linux and hope my games work there ...
Worst case dual boot with Win10 and use it just for gaming. Do everything else on Linux.
If people so depend on secure boot on windows 10, and windows 11 need it on unless did some little hack to get around it, some linux distro don't like that option to be on, but there is a way to get it to work but not everyone who are coming from windows knows how to fix it or trouble to get it to work or fix it, if it won't boot for some reason due to secure boot
This announcement was so disastrous that I immediately swapped to Linux Mint.
Yeah. I've used Windows exclusively since 1998. I still need to photo and video edit. But I would NEVER allow this sht.
I've never gone past Win10, but now I'm going to have to dual boot. Eventually this migration should lead to Linux versions for most major software. Windows invited its own demise. Genius.
I thought I read somewhere it is only part of Copilot+ PC's... for now :P
This recall it's only on the arm based surface as it right now. Everyone! is pissed specially the EU UK, but it's not a update (yet) I'll keep an eye on this I saw all the headliners about this
Ads in the OS is unacceptible unless they offer it for free.
This _is_ a big privacy and security concern BUT:
6:08 a 10 second google tells us Recall can simply be turned off in settings (i.e. by any user, regardless of client management tools) and that you _also_ get that option during Windows setup. Sure, non-technical Windows users will potentially be getting spied on by default and sure, it's valid to mistrust Microsoft (or indeed _any_ corporation, including those involved in Linux) but that's been true for many years.
8:20 the reason it's not _just_ an attack on privacy is that there are obvious use cases (which you don't mention at all) - telemetry is no use to me beyond a vague "makes Windows better" whereas _this_ is an AI assisted "timeline search" feature (yes, _with_ huge privacy concerns - a thing can be two things :).
(I _am_ a Linux fan BTW - been using it in some capacity since Redhat 4.2 - _and_ i'd wager i'm older than most here which means I remember when Microsoft was _really_ "evil" so I won't be using this feature personally but let's make _valid_ criticisms - there are plenty - instead of ignorant ones)
Stored locally... on your OneDrive folder đ
I moved to linux at the start of the year. Just about the best time to do it too, looking at the shit going down these past few months.
âThe right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated"
They say you can turn this off, but what's to say they won't 'secretly' turn it back on and make it difficult to turn off... like they're doing with Edge/Bing!
The other major issue is that it requires at least 50GB of free storage to use... what if you don't have that amount of free space?
They will absolutely turn this back on at every update, without any indication. Anything else would genuinely be surprising.
A lot of this type of behavior will end when the security agencies of U.S. federal government - military, cybersecurity, international relations, etc. - conclude itâs too risky by far to let it continue and begin to threaten terminating contracts.
Do I expect I that to happen? No.
Itâs a costly and long proposition in equipment, training, staffing, transitioning, etc.; and other reasons.
Love your content. More and more people want to use their PC both for work and gaming. For gaming unfortunately Windows is still somewhat necessary. There are some extremely popular games like CoD that simply refuse to work on Linux according to ProtonDB. Most games however work fine. Not to mention there are all kinds of software used for work that dont work on Windows without emulation. Dual (multi) booting is the only option.
That's why I think dual booting is something that a lot of people will do.
Linux is a great way to break online game addictions and instead play quality single player titles
I am interested in purchasing one of these laptops since the original announcement of the chip. These new features just solidify my plans further which is as soon as I get one, some form of Linux is going on there to replace Windows 11.
Linux is also better on ARM then windows
I'm doing my linux transition right on time. turns out I can do most of my day job without many problems, and none of them insurmountable.
this wasn't true just a few years ago.
Bossware micromanagement for sure. 6:48
Iâm zero-worried having windows inside a beautiful VMbox đ. Let the Linux begin đ€©
And wait when they will offer you a cloud service for that, or switch your storage directory without your knowledge, calling it a bug.
Even I were supporting this feature (while I am definitely not), I wish the setting at 6:00 "DisableAIDataAnalysis" should be prefixed with "Enable" instead and be off by default.
Imagine getting your data processed without your knowing by default.
I moved over to Linux 90%, but I still keep Windows 10 around when I really wanna play games.
I can say with almost certainty that many people who have no interest in learning a new OS will be hard-pressed to ever move off Windows 10, even after EoL. With that being said, we can also expect Linux and even macOS adoption go up a bit after that.
"I dont trust Microsoft" that cuold be a great sloganđ
7 Gpedit > User Config > Admin Templates > windows Components > Windows Copilot >
If I had a Windows machine, it would be for DTP and maybe a little CAD. This machine would be air-gapped. Since most application run in the cloud or general speaking on the internet, there is no point running an air-gapped Windows PC. So I give up on those apps. My employer uses Windows, so he provides RDP over a wireguard tunnel for his employees to use.
Recall = Class Action Lawsuit
At the absolute minimum: *Recall is Sus AF*
Itâs not really about Microsoft seeing everything you do and search, itâs about all the darknet hackers that can get access to these *locally saved* up and ready bitesize(s) packages of valueable information, ready and waiting to be exploited. AI is cool, but Big Tech really need to work on unhackable (or close to) principles if they want to win over the bigger general public!
Very nice of Microsoft to offer options to configure Recall, but how reliable is that? Some updates will change settings back to Microsofts defaults.
Not only this, but i dont trust the UI. It may say its off but internally its still on đđ
Can I make any Windows software work on Linux? I use quote a bit of programs for my daily work that don't have Linux support, unfortunately. :'(
Depends on the programs tbh. A lot of software is either available or a good alternative is available on Linux. Specialized software like everything from Adobe or enterprise software might be difficult or impossible to run.
Wine
@@Cyberfishofant Thanks, I'll check it out!
Windows 11 LTSC and f. ARM and don't use Chrome, use LibreWolf. The recall will never fly in the EU.