How did Josh van der Flier's Game Change from 2019 to 2022?

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  • čas přidán 24. 01. 2023
  • World Player of the Year 2022 Josh van der Flier - what changed about his game from the Rugby World Cup year in 2019 through to 2022 where he won rugby's top individual prize?
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  • @Samizouza
    @Samizouza Před rokem +28

    He's beyond exceptional for Ireland so it would be massive if Josh and Andy were able to help get Ireland into a first ever world cup semifinal appearance this autumn.

    • @oshead
      @oshead Před rokem

      Win the WC, anything less would be failure...

  • @johnmc3862
    @johnmc3862 Před rokem +13

    He's scored 8 tries this season already(7 for Leinster) and 5 International tries last season. Excellent stats for a player in his position.

  • @conor9848
    @conor9848 Před rokem +23

    Has a surprisingly crisp pass on him, sometimes gives it from the base of a ruck or maul and you wouldn't be surprised if it was actually a scrumhalf throwing it

    • @roboconnor8079
      @roboconnor8079 Před rokem +2

      Funny you say that because when he first played rugby he was a back and played scrumhalf in the sct cup

  • @superdrog1819
    @superdrog1819 Před rokem +14

    Probably the best response to getting dropped I've ever seen. He was told to go improve parts of his game and he improved so much that he won World Player of the Year. Farrell should drop him again, and tell him to improve at winning turnovers, then he'll be complete.

    • @roboconnor8079
      @roboconnor8079 Před rokem +2

      To be fair he’s a decent jackle threat, the entire pack for Leinster and Ireland are

  • @robinwolahan6303
    @robinwolahan6303 Před rokem +16

    Great analysis, proof is in the pudding 😊 Let’s go Ireland, 6N winners this year 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼

  • @creekyknee
    @creekyknee Před rokem +3

    Great video.
    Josh is a very honest, decent and hard working chap. His work ethic is what has brought him to where he is at the moment. He is not afraid to put in the effort on and off the field to progress. The improvements in his carrying and other aspects of his game took hours upon hours of boring analysis, learning, practicing, practicing and more practicing. He had the desire and the patience and work ethic to make it happen. He deserves all of the credit that he receiving. Keith Earles did something similar, he was told that he needed to go away and work on his game and improve in key areas and he took it on the chin, went away, worked his @ss off and came back a better player.
    Hopefully, JVDF can stay fit and have a create WC.

  • @charlottescott7150
    @charlottescott7150 Před rokem +16

    Great player, great concept for a video, great stats and great graphs. Thank you

  • @ciaranbrk
    @ciaranbrk Před rokem +10

    This is a great breakdown using the stats to zero in on a specific player and their importance to a team 👍🏻😀

  • @aaronreid116
    @aaronreid116 Před rokem +18

    WILL CONNORS is why he got better! Said it himself!

  • @bengormley2517
    @bengormley2517 Před rokem +2

    Finally someone took the time to do a video on JVF..appreciate it...he is a revelation in Ireland and I hear one of the nicest guys in Rugby.

    • @TwoCentsRugby
      @TwoCentsRugby  Před rokem

      Yeah man seems like a top bloke and a top player!

  • @MrRugbylane
    @MrRugbylane Před rokem +13

    Really enjoyed this video over morning coffee. A similar one for Dupont would be inteteresting too.

    • @TwoCentsRugby
      @TwoCentsRugby  Před rokem +7

      Actually yeah Dupont would be really interesting!

    • @roboconnor8079
      @roboconnor8079 Před rokem

      Dupont it has to be said has been consistently excellent the last few years, it would probably have to be a career analysis to get an accurate view

  • @tomf1dublin1
    @tomf1dublin1 Před rokem +13

    As Leinster supporter we obviously love Josh . However , he may never have received a guaranteed starting slot for Leinster ( never mind Ireland ) if it was not for injury ( and forced early retirement ) of Dan Leavy and then, the long term injury to the great Will Connors ( who is just about to come back to play ) .
    Funny the way the door opens sometimes .

    • @THEMRblackboy7thst
      @THEMRblackboy7thst Před rokem +7

      Dan Leavy retired? what a shame. i remember thinking of him as one of the greatest irish players

    • @tomf1dublin1
      @tomf1dublin1 Před rokem +2

      @@THEMRblackboy7thst he is/was . Long term injury and advised by doctors to retire . Also Will Connors with almost 2 years of injury has his issues as well . JVDF is like the Duracell bunny and just keeps going

    • @johndcoffee632
      @johndcoffee632 Před rokem +4

      Poor auld Dan. What a player.

  • @Rhosnesni
    @Rhosnesni Před rokem +8

    This is such a good idea. Please do more!

  • @oshead
    @oshead Před rokem +2

    Without looking at any stats, I'd say it's the try scoring...
    Ok, so watched the video. All the stats add up to huge improvements... Class!

  • @petefraser3013
    @petefraser3013 Před rokem +9

    Thanks for doing the research. Great video.

    • @TwoCentsRugby
      @TwoCentsRugby  Před rokem +1

      Always love seeing the performances validated by the numbers bro 😁

    • @petefraser3013
      @petefraser3013 Před rokem

      @@TwoCentsRugby are you coming to France for the World Cup? I'm Irish, but live in the US, I'll be heading over for the WC.

    • @TwoCentsRugby
      @TwoCentsRugby  Před rokem

      Sadly not man, but the next one is on my list 😅

  • @wesleyfoley5116
    @wesleyfoley5116 Před rokem +1

    Morning coffee and this video .. cheers Mark

  • @hasparov
    @hasparov Před rokem +3

    Yeh, very clear exposition - the number don't lie. VDF takes off in 2021 and, for the national team, everything goes back to that game v England which they won in March 2021 (32 -18). From that point they have almost been a different side and have carried on getting startling results (through all of the 2021 Autumn Series, record away win v England in 6N, then the famous away series win in New Zealand etc.) Ireland show no sign of peaking - instead, they give every indication that they are getting better. Look at Doris's recent form for Leinster - I think he has learned something from VDF's improvement and he should show up very well in the 6N. I imagine the stats for many other members of the Ireland team would show this pattern of 'taking off' in 2021.

  • @corny165
    @corny165 Před rokem +1

    5 years ago if someone had told me JDFV will win WPOTY i'd have laughed at them and said he won't even hold down a place at international level! The man deserves the highest praise for the work he's put in.

    • @TwoCentsRugby
      @TwoCentsRugby  Před rokem

      Yeah man 5 years ago I would have said he's a good player - but WPOTY? Not even close. He's done amazing

  • @SimpleJack-jq2qn
    @SimpleJack-jq2qn Před rokem

    Good analysis. Josh is an exceptional player with a great back story which is translated into his work rate and commitment. I’m convinced that This guy, (along with Sheehan and Doris in particular) could be the difference for Ireland when it comes to the RWC

  • @JosephFallon
    @JosephFallon Před rokem +1

    Classic 2c quality here. Thanks Mark !

  • @davidwakefield4461
    @davidwakefield4461 Před rokem

    I never thought he has this current level in him. He’s exceeded all expectations I had. His strength and work rate seem immense at present

  • @turkishdelight7083
    @turkishdelight7083 Před rokem +1

    He is the Madonna of rugby, totally reinvented himself and nobody saw it coming. When we lost Dan Leavy it was horrible then a year later we have JDVF doing an amazing job. No SOB, or Leavy left our back row a bit toothless, Josh Murphy looked decent but never really got a proper run of games at 6. It's the post contact meters that JVDF gets that are so impressive imho.

  • @anthonymclaughlin9222
    @anthonymclaughlin9222 Před rokem +4

    I have never seen a player turn a weakness into a strength so quickly or successfully. He was told to go away and work on his average to middling carrying, then came back as maybe Irelands best ball carrier? How? And why is whatever he did not mandatory for every player in Ireland?

    • @deanflynn3745
      @deanflynn3745 Před rokem

      Think he still way go as Ireland best ball carrier think Dorris or could even argue shhenan is better but definitely massive improvement

    • @roboconnor8079
      @roboconnor8079 Před rokem +1

      @@deanflynn3745 Doris is the better carrier, as he gets those extra metres through contact, Sheehan is probably the most athletic runner where he wouldn’t be out of place on the wing, I reckon VDF is probably the best combination of those attributes

  • @Mikeup104
    @Mikeup104 Před rokem

    Please do the same for Eben Etzebeth, Just for a comparison. Probably not as much improvement, but lets see how he did in the stats in 2022.

  • @johnnycactus5140
    @johnnycactus5140 Před rokem

    Thanks!

  • @davet6079
    @davet6079 Před rokem

    Josh has to be the most improved player in the world.

  • @harryocallaghan8082
    @harryocallaghan8082 Před rokem

    The most consistent openside flanker in world rugby for the past 5/6 years. The man can do it all. His weakest area was his attack but now that’s one of his best areas. Always beats the first defender. Goes 80+ minutes every game for Leinster & Ireland.
    It’s a real shame Dan Leavy had to retire though as that 7 position was his. Leavy would’ve been the best of them all if it wasn’t for that horrible leg injury. Not taking anything away from VDF though. He’s world class. Leinster just know how to bring through quality openside a. Seán O’Brien, Dan Leavy, Josh Van Der Flier, Will Connors & now Scott Penny.

    • @TwoCentsRugby
      @TwoCentsRugby  Před rokem +1

      Yeah man sometimes that's just the way it works aye, awful for Leavy but a chance for JVDF well taken

    • @patrickmccutcheon9361
      @patrickmccutcheon9361 Před rokem +1

      Funny how depth varies over time. Sean O’Brien moved from 6 to 7 as we had no natural 7 to replace David Wallace and we had Ferris at 6. Now in addition to those mentioned we have Timoney and Hodnett. Wish we had a similar depth at prop and 15.

  • @shane-irish
    @shane-irish Před rokem

    You know what could be ringrose player off the year this year he is some form early i know but he has improved so much dorris beirne improving as well and porter sheehan never had so many irish players in such great form

    • @TwoCentsRugby
      @TwoCentsRugby  Před rokem +1

      Yeah man very true - Ringrose has been on fire for what seems like an age

  • @driftertravels928
    @driftertravels928 Před rokem +1

    I cannot remember a first choice Irish openside who actually specialised in the breakdown. Before Van Der Flier there were O’Brien and Wallace, who were outstanding ball carriers but not breakdown specialists, but it did not really matter as there were other players like O’Driscoll, O’Connell and O’Mahony who were as good in the breakdown as anyone. For me Van Der Flier is more of a defensive player and plays more like a blindside, with O’Mahony and Beirne making most of the turnovers. Still, he is great player though and deserves his award.

    • @barrypower6822
      @barrypower6822 Před rokem

      Keith glesson was the last ground hog irish number 7

  • @ProTantoQuid
    @ProTantoQuid Před rokem +1

    I don't think Timoney has ever been a threat to JvdF; Connors, on the other hand, certainly was a threat until injuries removed him from the scene. It isn't a coincidence that the dynamic improvement was under Farrell's more aggressively fluid attacking philosophy

    • @jmo8934
      @jmo8934 Před rokem +1

      Dan Leavy was and would have been the number 1 if injury hadn’t ended his career. I think he would have been the best back row player in the world. He was exceptional.

  • @RoyBattyLives
    @RoyBattyLives Před rokem

    Are they just Irl stats or Leinster 2C?

  • @EweofLittleFaith
    @EweofLittleFaith Před rokem +1

    This video appears to have been published privately or something? It’s not on your full list of videos and is instead buried in the “playlists” tab.

    • @TwoCentsRugby
      @TwoCentsRugby  Před rokem

      Yeah it's up early for Patreon, it'll publish shortly 😅

  • @rockandmeatroll
    @rockandmeatroll Před rokem

    Did changing the coaching ticket help players like this?

    • @TwoCentsRugby
      @TwoCentsRugby  Před rokem

      Yeah man could well be - apparently Farrell is the one who told him what he needed to do

  • @bryanodriscoll2123
    @bryanodriscoll2123 Před rokem

    I think he gets a lot of competition from Ardie Savea for effective work rate.

    • @TwoCentsRugby
      @TwoCentsRugby  Před rokem

      From the top of my head I'd say Savea probably gets more offensive work done but JVDF defensive - I'd have to check the numbers though - either way both bloody good!

  • @sbok9481
    @sbok9481 Před rokem +3

    The REAL question is: how does Eben Etzebeth manage to stay the best in the world since 2017

    • @silversolver7809
      @silversolver7809 Před rokem +5

      Aw, there's only room for one question, what a shame. Close down the channel mark, nothing else to discuss.

    • @Camcolito
      @Camcolito Před rokem +3

      Ah the real question is about SA in a video that has nothing to do with SA according to the CZcams Saffa contingent. That's a real shocker!

    • @sbok9481
      @sbok9481 Před rokem +1

      Why must I stay on topic? Why? World Rugby deliberately don't consider Eben and Ardie Savea as candidates for world player of the year, even though ALL could see who performed at the highest level.
      I am not taking away anything from discussing Josh. I just made a side statement. You don't have to comment here, do you?

    • @silversolver7809
      @silversolver7809 Před rokem +3

      @@sbok9481 "Why must I stay on topic? Why?"
      Apologies, my bad. I didn't know you are new to what's called a "discussion".
      You know Lukhanyo Am was nominated? Most nominees usually come from the better teams, that's what probably kept Eben and Ardie out in '22.

    • @sbok9481
      @sbok9481 Před rokem

      @@silversolver7809 czcams.com/video/HG6Oap_UOz0/video.html
      I'm gonna send you random videos of people's selections. See how many actually thinks Josh is the best. He is not even in some of the teams for 2022.
      We all know World Rugby is not functioning properly, according to everyone. The new tackle rule is evidence. So, let's not take WR nominations into account because they have their own agendas.

  • @paraic9163
    @paraic9163 Před rokem

    Funny how it goes.. if Dan Levy never got that injury, Josh may never have become the player he is now. Dan was the man before his injury.

  • @Natedawg38
    @Natedawg38 Před rokem +2

    Jaysus vdf made a victory out of feedback

  • @kevincallaghan3212
    @kevincallaghan3212 Před rokem

    He no vermullan in size but hes a tough as nails no forward in world rugby works as hard as him. and his go forward is of the scales for one of the smallest forwards in rugby

    • @harryocallaghan8082
      @harryocallaghan8082 Před rokem

      6’1. 17 stone isn’t small by any means. Lots of other forwards out there smaller than him.

  • @aphiwemvovo5302
    @aphiwemvovo5302 Před rokem +2

    I heard he improved his ball carrying

  • @ezrolly898
    @ezrolly898 Před rokem +16

    He's done South Africa proud

    • @christianmccann9400
      @christianmccann9400 Před rokem +5

      Especially His recent try against south Africa, when Ireland won ! See you at the world Cup ;)

    • @ezrolly898
      @ezrolly898 Před rokem +2

      @@christianmccann9400 hopefully he'll do is proud by making it past the quarters

    • @JL-ti3us
      @JL-ti3us Před rokem +6

      He's from Ireland, his grandad was Dutch.

    • @ezrolly898
      @ezrolly898 Před rokem +8

      @@JL-ti3us I know buddy, it's a running joke

    • @ryanlawlor7862
      @ryanlawlor7862 Před rokem +4

      He's a credit to his family, i went to school with his older brother in Durban, sound fella

  • @jmo8934
    @jmo8934 Před rokem

    When you add tries to your game people sit up and take notice.

  • @ricellisfrost620
    @ricellisfrost620 Před rokem

    Not sure the guy deserves 11 minutes, but hey