Which HARLEY DAVIDSON has the BEST power to weight?
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- The Harley Davidson community is full of people talking about horsepower. What they don't mention much is weight! These things go hand in hand and once you realize that, some Harley models shine more than you thought!
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This feels like one of those "someone needed to say it" videos. Lots of detail, lots of facts, and absolutely one that needs to be shared and added to discussions.
Appreciate that. All I see on the Facebook groups are dyno sheets which means nothing if your bike is hundreds of pounds heavier than the one you're racing! Also another conversation that needs to be had is rider skill but I don't know if they are ready for that one. haha
Based on specs on Harley website Sportster S is .241 HP to weight ratio. Close to Pan Am but with a better torque curve.
Finally someone said it publicly lol as someone who came from sport bikes and last year made the switch to a street bob I knew I wasn’t going to be winning the speed race but I do love the grunt and torque and it’s a different kind of ride now but I admit I was worried at first thinking I wasn’t going to get the same kind of thrill but I’m happy to admit I was wrong and love every second of ripping around on my bob. If I ever feel the need for speed again I’ll pick up another used crotch rocket because nothing compares but until then I’ll be enjoying the thump of my vtwin
I've been saying this forever in my videos. You can't help but smile when you're a Pan Am owner out on a group ride & hear guys argue over which H-D model is faster/has more Hp. What's worse, wait until they find out how much better the Pan Am's suspension is.
Have 3 Harley’s but my Nightser is so much fun, loves a few twisties, just have to remember on overtakes to use the full rev range as less torque lower down
The Sportster S is missing and should be between the Pan Am and the Nightster.
A Hooligan/PanAmerican would be a hoot.
I like the HP to weigh ratio thing. Used it for years with cars. It really helps level a playing field to performance compare. That PA is fast! Way faster than most Harley riders realize. I have a 19 Softail 679 pounds same 150 crank / 135 WHP. Pretty fast by Harley standards but it would likely get its butt kicked by the PA. .263 HP per pound vs only .221 HP per pound. Hard to make 110 pounds up with traction or gearing.
Someone liked my reply recently so I re read it. Since my original reply I purchased a Dual Sport bike. A KTM 690, a big single cylinder thumper. Similar in purpose to the Pan Am adventure bike. Only smaller lighter more dirt oriented. Tuned it makes about 80 HP as it made 68 WHP. At 340 pounds this is .235 hp per pound. Fast but still not the hp per pound as the PA. Also I plan to rebuild my softail this winter to 180 WHP about 212 at the crank. Due to a new fairing & speakers the bike will jump to about 700 pounds. This comes out to .3038 HP per pound. Only after a full performance big bore build will it make more hp per pound than the PA. Better than using the crank HP number would be to use WHP. But I didn’t have that for the PA. I may revisit this as I know Fuel Moto has piped & tuned WHP numbers for the PA. Results are in. Fuel Moto with AC, pipe, & tune made 147whp. 173 crank makes for .3040. Liquid cooling variable valve timing definitely brought some advantages for the PA.
Good stuff. I was raised in the 80's and that seem to be when the fast, light bike era really got going.
This video is right on time for me. Just the other day I got curious and started comparing power to weight between the vrod and the nightster975. I was shocked to see that the nightster had slightly better power to weight than the vrod muscle and the torque to weight was even better. I can't believe nobody's mentioned that yet. And that's not even the sportster s. It really makes me question the point of all the "performance" big twin bikes. It's like they're cosplaying as performance bikes when Harley has actual performance bikes in the revmax bikes. Seems like the big twins are fast for Harley's but the revmax bikes are fast bikes period.
True. I test drove the Sportster S and the Low Rider S and the SS is in another league power wise compared to the Low Rider S. They feel similarly torquey but when the LRS runs out of steam the SS just starts… I decided for the SS for other reasons (electronics and cost) compared to the LRS but the power certainly helped!
It's really interesting to watch what's going on with Harley Davidson nowadays. There are now actual performance Harley's being sold next to performance looking Harley's. But all of the mocos energy is behind the latter. I'm wondering how this is going to go with the performance Harley guys. Do they switch over to the superior performance revmax platform or do they now essentially just cosplay with the "performance" big twins.
My guess was wrong but I want to say the intro to this video was 👍
another good video.keep up the good work.
Now a Good back up video would be one on the torque ratings...which is what you usually feel in your seat
Keep up the great content.
Steve is GREAT people and an even smarter rider. If you haven't taken that Nightster for a ride....try it! I'm about 5"10 and 245 and it's a bike I can ride comfortably and it'll REALLY surprise you!
Thank you. In my experience the Rev Max engine is an upgrade from the air cooled engines.
I got to test ride the Pan America at Laconia last year. I was extremely impressed with how fast it is compared to my 2021 UL. And it's a fun bike to ride. Not too shocked it's HD's fastest bike.
great video. gave the facts, didn’t drag it out for 20 minutes
good stuff. rev max is what it is. next question is: performance vs how bike makes you feel… which is more important?
The 975S makes me feel great because I have more power than most stock Harleys without spending money on mods.
Hey dude, what hat are you rockin? I love the checker pattern under the brim!
I SOO thought the Street Bob would win! That 114 LIGHTS that lil bike up!
Craaazy torque
Same
Same
He did use horsepower numbers and not torque numbers. Wonder how the results would change if torque numbers were used. 🤔
Good one!
I'm thinking the RevMax platform
Sportys have always been a contender ✌️
Props brother, great information!
Horsepower doesn't tell power to weight, doesn't tell you how fast it gets to that HP, only that it can get there and above all else, doesn't tell you how the bike will make you feel.
Even if we use Torque. There is not a huge gap between Pan-Am and Road Glide TQ:WT numbers as I expected, it's like just 10% more torque. Meanwhile There is really a huge gap of HP:WT numbers, Pan-Am have like double the HP ratio of a Road Glide.
A Road Glide to have almost the same TQ:WT ratio as a Nightster 975 is really eyeopening actually. 😮
I have a 2008 nightster that is really fast for only an intake, exhaust and tune. Honestly, wish the new nightster came with the same motor as the Pan-America. It would honestly be an amazing bike.
I am putting in a stage 3 on my 2023 fatboy l know it’s crazy to do this, but the reason why I did it is because I crave more power and I can
This was a BFO- Blinding Flash of the Obvious
You'd think so but after reading all the comments on Facebook groups from the big ego touring guys you'd think their dyno sheet means they don't need to prove anything! haha
I think the nightster has the greatest power to weight ratio
The street Bob thing
Not only power but handling wise, the Pan Am and Nightster are also better. They eat corners like crazy.
That’s easy. The sportster s or the pan American hands down!!
Here are my two cents, I do not build my bikes just to make more power. I build my bikes to be an extension of my personality. I build my bikes to separate me from the weekend riders. I want people to know I am an enthusiast just from looking at my bike, or better yet, hearing it. I don't need more power but there is nothing I enjoy more than shattering the stereotype of the slow Harley. I think the point you're trying to make is that Harleys are great bikes from the factory and don't need thousands of dollars worth of upgrades to be an awesome motorcycle and I could not agree more.
You really wanna tell us that there are motorheads that don't know what's horsepower and what's torque? Seriously? That would be sad!
It’s why i love my dirt glide baby.
Excellent video. Math is real!
Great video! I own a 2023 Breakout (101 HP) and I was surprised to see that the 117 would deliver better in the Low Rider ST (103 HP). Question: How is this possible? Thanks in advance!
Nightster
The PA all day. I have the Sportster S with pretty much the same engine. Lots of power in essentially a lightweight machine.
Wonder where the new Sportster S sits in that pecking order
Why isn't the Breakout in the video
I'm gonna say the Nighster, because you said it was a surprise, and it's the one I like the least so I'll be the most surprised 😂
Shit I always forget the Pan America is 150hp haha
Another number would be average horsepower. I have a 2023 CVO, and all the rave is about the new CVO ST. Peak horsepower on that bike is a little more, but the CVO make a lot more power over the RPM range below 4000.
Didn't want to add a Sportster S in there?
Sporty
Thank u for saying it and I'm guessing lowrider s
How do you not include the Sportster S. The Nightster? 😂
I’m sure the Pan America wins, but I’ll watch the entire video anyway
Smart man! Appreciate the support as well.
The 975 followed by the street bob.
Street bob or Pan Am
Street Bob
I will stay with my RKS 2020 131 engine
What is that seat on the Roadglide ?
It’s a new seat offered by Harley. I believe it’s called the switchback maybe? I’m told it only fits the new body style though.
Sportster S?
What counts is the power-to-weight-ratio over vehicle speed, if you could show that in a graph ? And then in the five or six gears ? Then you might see that the bikes you showed with a lower MAXIMUM power-to-weight-ratio, have a higher power-to-weight-ratio in the LOWER vehicle speeds, where you ride them in reality, and that is what you notice on the road.
But for some people this might be to complicated, they just want to hear a simple MAXIMUM power-to-weight-ratio figure like politicians or managers would, but then they may be paying more for less performance.
Low Rider S
Figured it would be the Pan Am. Love my 22 special. The thing is ridiculous
I can see why so many people are making them street bikes. If HD won't give us the Bronx, we will make our own!
I feel the same as you do Harley Davidson have plenty of power. They will certainly kill you.
Definitely needed to be addressed. We'll done
Did it? Really.
Lowrider S
It’s only important to those tools that ride once a week…you know, 10 minutes to a bike night
Streetbob
i want more torque, not horsepower
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No such thing as too much horsepower. Just not enuf traction.
And sometimes not enough brakes! Guys running around with 20k in the motor and stock brakes haha.
Pan America
without knowing i,m saying pan american
Comment for the benefit of the algorithm LOL.
I don’t ride a Harley because it is fast. If I wanted fast I would buy a Suzuki or Kawasaki crotch rocket.
Hell yeah, brother. Save the performance and excitement for those metrics.
Lowrider s
None😂
Pan-American?
Pan American
Want to go fast? Dont ride HD 🤌 easy as it gets
Torque is a thing. I've ridden some fast Harley's down the drag strip. Very fast in fact.
Pan America
Pan American
Pan America