What I'd Carry If The Shield Plus Didn't Exist
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/ hegshot87 What would I carry if the Shield Plus never existed? Today I will cover 3 options that I really like and I'll tell you which one I'd carry if the Shield Plus didn't exist.
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Thank goodness the shield plus is here. I was late to the shield PLUS party and carry it exclusively.
I have many others but the shied does everything so well it’s hard to argue against the shield.
Agreed my dude
Had a taurus g2c and kept getting issues, handed it back to dealer, and bought a S&W Shield plus, not a single issue and sooo reliable👍
G2 c is crap. I have one. Was garbage from the get go
I have a G2C and don't trust it. It does go bang everytime but it has some weird quirks. I edc a Ruger LC9S, wanting to upgrade to P365X or Shield Plus in future.
If I didn't have my Shield Plus, I still got my Taurus G3C and my Stoeger STR-9 SC series. Thank goodness the Shield Plus exists.
We all knew you were gonna pick the Equalizer. Anyone that watches your channel regularly that is.
100%…would have been better to rule out S&W completely for that very reason. Video was over before it started 😂
@@BagsEsquire Whenever you see the equalizer in his videos you know that's his choice for the winner from the start.
Walter needs a slimmer pdp line. Then the winner would be clear.
Not really. M&P beats Walther all day.
P365 xmacro!
Bought a Shield Plus 2+ years ago. I have replaced the slide with the new optics ready version, and it now runs a Holosun 503 AND the new 15 round Equilizer magazines.
Nothing else comes close to its performance.
I have a M&P Shield with trigger upgrade and new sites and a M&P Shield Plus I love it just the way it is. I am Keeping Both Shields. I also have a SD9VE with trigger and other upgrades. All had No malfunctions. Very additive and fun to Shoot.
I own the shield but not the shield Plus. I'll have to look into that one
Most of my larger pistols are M&P, previously carried a Performance Center Shield. But approximately 2 years ago I got a 365XL and installed a Holosun 507k, few months ago change the sight to a Holosun EPS carry. I have approx. 1500+ rounds through the 365XL, carry daily, no issues, shoots great and very accurate.
My smallest carry pistol is the M&P Compact 2.0 9mm, but I usually carry a P-320C in .45 ACP. I despise micro-nines... I don't concern myself with deep concealment... and I have a recurring nightmare that I have to fight my way out of a crappy situation and all I have is a micro-nine.
@@HalfCrazy520 - I have a few M&P compacts, those are probably my favorite pistols to shoot. I have IWB holsters for the compacts, but I rarely carry one. The Sig 365XL may be considered a micro pistol to some, but it's almost the same size at a M&P compact, just thinner. And, it shoots like a larger pistol. With mag-guts springs in the mags, they hold 14 rounds, versus 15 in a M&P compact. I have shot a ton of rounds through those mags with no issues.
My absolute favorite carry gun is a p365xl with a holosun 407k. Same size as the shield plus basically but has 2 more rounds and can get a full grip on it with a flush mag. Just wish the p365 mags weren’t $50 a piece
That pricing issue seams to be a common one with most manufacturers. Thats why I always shop third party mag suppliers. You can get the exact same manufacturers mag, just cheaper.
No, it’s not basically the same size as a shield plus. Longer barrel, shorter grip. Plus, Sig is suspect at best, which is pretty well becoming common knowledge as time goes these days.
@@oleboy7615Lol no. You must love gossip stories.
@@TheHandHistoryVault No, I look at things in terms of facts and truth. Try it sometime.
@@oleboy7615 I've heard about issues with the p320 but not the p365. Note that I own a Shield Plus, and this was after firing many CCW pistols, including the p365. I just loved and preferred the shootability and accuracy of the Shield Plus. But I didn't have any bad issues with the p365
Love to carry Canik tp9 elite sc
Since I live in FL and it’s hot 24/7 365, I carry the Glock 43X MOS with the Shield Arms upgrade to carry 15rds mags. Since it’s the MOS version I have the Sig Micro red dot and flashlight in a very nice Alien Gear Holster, which it doesn’t print at all.
Seen a few folks having rust issues with the Reflex fde. 🤷♂️
If it ain't raining; You ain't training.
I use mp shield plus as my daily, my secondary carry is springfield hellcat Pro. Love both equally.
Some nice options
Thanks man
Good presentation brother. You didn't include the prices of these weapons but I woulda chose the spectra until you mentioned it was very expensive so in the end I share your choice.
Thanks man
I recently fell in love with the Shield 45 (performance center version). It's a Glock 43 but in 45ACP!!
6 rounds! Yipeeeee!
Before i watch the video im gonna guess, p365 xmacro
I REALLY LIKE my S&W Equalizer. I live in the Constitution thwarting nanny Cook County, IL. I occasionally get into Chicago. it is nice to have the 10 round magazine option as this is the magazine round limit for Chicago. Chicago also does not allow laser sites. [I view laser sites as an external optic dot allowing for the fastest and most accurate target acquisition w/o the need to raise the gun to eye level. Green laser dots are best.] With the Pic rail on the Equalizer and the variable magazine size options, this gun can be easily reconfigured to meet local unconstitutional restrictions. I like hammer fired triggers [which the Equalizer has] slightly better than striker fired also. The ease of racking the slide is excellent also on the Equalizer, making dry firing practice a breeze. The barrel is longer than the Shield Plus which I prefer for better accuracy, and which does virtually nothing to make it less concealable. It is also optic ready. And, the Equalizer shoots really well! The grip is extremely comfortable and slightly narrower than the grip on the Shield Plus. The Equalizer is an upgrade in many ways of the Shield Plus and doesn't cost much more. I am very happy with this pistol. For extreme concealment [which I unfortunately need in my home area], I usually carry IWB the Ruger LC9s Pro w/ a Viridian green laser [7 + 1 rounds]. The LC9s is so small and light that I need to check to see if it is still there from time to time because I literally don't feel like I am carrying anything.
If there wasn't a M&P shield plus my second choice would be the H&K P30C with the LEMtrigger..
P30SK
HK ALL THE WAY! 👍👍
VP9sk would be my choice. Carried one for about a year and loved absolutely everything about it.
Now tho? Ain't carrying something that costs nearly 800 bucks. At that pricepoint... if I had to draw... and they went to confiscate my weapon? Probly have to go with the "cold dead hands" option at that pricepoint.
I’d have gone with the Shadow Systems CR920 myself but then Lone Wolf has to have their Dusk 19 line drop. I gotta say I’m in love with the thing and cheaper than the cr920
I don't like subcompact handguns, least of all micro cutie guns. I prefer to carry a compact 4" to a mid-size 4.5" to a full-size 5". Men are being convinced by gun influencers that you have to carry the smallest handgun for concealment and comfort. I personally seek optimal performance. But, when the clothing is light and tight, I carry a *Sig Sauer P365 XMacro TACOPS 3.7 " (17+1=18)* This is my choice and my minimum standard of a small handgun, the other one is the *Canik TP9 Elite SC.*
Cool video.
Hopefully you don't carry the sig appendix. Might not want to lose Mr. Winkie
Also consider the HK VP9SK-B, very nice trigger.
czcams.com/video/2jLrpLWTIGI/video.html..video review I did on the HK
My shield plus got retired when I got the Sig P365 X-Macro TacOps. Because of the full grip and 17-round magazines, and as thin as it is, it can’t be beat for year round concealed carry.
Sure it can! Just depends on personal preference.
The equalizer has that extra weight and velocity too, I kind of want to shoot one side by side with my glock 48.
Is the reflex a slim pistol comparable to the Hellcat and 365?
Best CCW (imo & no particular order), G19, G26, sheild plus, CZ p07, staccato CS.
FN Reflex is building a reputation for shooting low/left. Higher rear sight and drift adjustment (front & back) solves this easily.
M&P9 Compact 3.6”, HK VP9SK…or maybe a Glock 48/43X.
I always enjoy your blog, WHICH ONE IS YOUR FAVORITE?THANKS
Have you tried Shield plus performance center version? I am curious how much recoil reduction from the ported slide and barrel compare to regular shield plus. I carry shield plus daily and debating if its worth spending money on it for secondary.
czcams.com/video/pcGIjLx05rA/video.html
Check out the above video
Thanks, Howie and J***~
I'm just not a shield plus fan. It doesn't feel right in my hand, and I know people rav about it, but I don't like the trigger. I carry a sig p365 x macro the uncomped version, and I love it. 1500 rounds and no issues. I have a holosun 407 green dot on it. I have a 43x and like that as well. The FN reflex is intriguing.
Hopefully you don't carry the SIG appendix cuz you could lose Mr.Winkie the way those Sigs love going off on their own.
I really don’t understand the mindset of of ppl who are trigger snobs. As a seasoned shooter I’ve never shot any pistol and I didn’t shoot it relatively accurately and comfortably. If a firearm has a trigger I’ll shoot it just fine.
Agreed..are you really focused on reset or smoothness in a gas station gunfight? I don’t think so. Slow aimed fire is great at the range. In a self defense scenario…your just going to pull the trigger as fast as you can within reason of course and most likely in close range.
Agree. Thanks...it needed to be said
Well said.
I have to say, my first and only pistol at the moment is a canik mete sfx. And I see that I got spoiled with how good that trigger is. I went to an ffl about 3 weeks ago and tested out some other 9mm subcompact pistols and disliked all the triggers. Some felt gritty, and some felt spongey. I had to say to myself that trigger feel doesn't matter at all when you absolutely need it. Your comment hit home for me.
You can learn to shoot anything well however once you experience the finer triggers in life and really learn how to work them it does make a huge difference . When there is far less travel and reset and lighting break there is less movement and Jerking
I agree 100%.
The sig for us
Selling my new Equalizer. Grip safety caused failure to fire at range for wife. Happened 4 times to me in dry fire, and I grew up with 1911s.
That gun is trash
Currently (just an opinion) the best engineered firearm (marketed for carry, & capacity advantage) is the Sig P365 XMac Comp. It’s the only compact I own (due to its 17+1 capacity) that gets as much range time (if not more) than the VP9 Match, USP9, & Shadow due to its capacity. Single stack Micro’s (traded my everyday carry Walther PPS M2 towards the Sig) or anything promoted for concealed carry are irrelevant (again, just a personal take) in comparison to the Sig XMacro, or Spectre Comp.
No it isn’t. Granted, the 365 X Macro is marketed for carry, and granted, it is a good shooting gun, but it’s hardly the best engineered firearm. Sig outsources their parts, their QC is trash, and the whole “FCU” is not a true go to war design bc it’s unnecessarily complicated, intricate and dainty. This is why Sig has had so many issues with the P320/365 line. It’s common knowledge. I mean CZcams is littered with videos about it. 🤷🏻♂️
@@oleboy7615 Spreading the wrong info again. P320 had issues in the beginning, but the were fix. The whole "firing on their own" has not been proven in court. Same as the p365. However, the p365 had more overall issues in the early years. Those are gone, except the X-Marco rusting and finish issues. Also to mention, the magazines are sketchy. So your words hold some meaning.
@@TheHandHistoryVault Willful ignorance is a thing…try the truth bro.
@@oleboy7615 Truth? Between the both of us, I actually said the truth. I gave you brief arguments and some examples, but you had no counter argument to make, thus you resorted to fill your lack of knowledge on the subject by claiming me as being willful ignorant. Who's in actual denial? Edit: Plus, if we're talking about the X-Marco, again. Your criticisms hold some meaning, but that's all you have.
@@TheHandHistoryVault No, you gave uninformed opinion. I spoke truth which is backed up with what is becoming common knowledge facts. All it takes is pulling the head out of the ass and acknowledging truth.
I have an original Shield in 40 S&W and it is here too stay with my Glock 23 in 40 S&W. I hav a 509 and it is sweet but the 40 S&W has way more power.
the fact the shield doesn't have a rail upfront is a deal breaker 100 % doesn't matter how nice it shoots
or you can grow up
I really don't like it when reviewers make decisions based on value. It's good that you followed up on that statement with the SC being better if dollars weren't a consideration. We all can make our own "value" decisions but generally I believe that most want to know which gun is (in your educated and experienced opinion) straight up better.
The Plus is straight up better than the CS in terms of real world combat, meaning it will run longer without having to be cleaned, etc. The CS will be more accurate on the whole bc it has much tighter tolerances. That said, it ain’t $2500 more accurate than the Shield Plus.
Do you EDC your shield with irons or optic?
Irons
equalizer vs the newer m&p 2.0 3.6" subcompact?
i prefer the M&P 2.0 Compact in 40 S&W over the Shield....
I view it the same way. Thankfully the Shield Plus does exist. 😉
Heg, what you use for optic?
The Holuson EPS or the Holuson 407k. I like those 2 the best so far
Got to ask a if you're walking down the street and somebody grabs you by the arm and basically detained you and keeps you from walking in the direction you want to go and starts begging you for money and hold you there and doesn't let you go there for a minute are you allowed to pepper spray them or not thank you I read up a little bit on it and it was called false imprisonment so for that are you allowed to pepper spray somebody
What about the masada slim?
Great option for a micro compact.
I am looking at getting a P365X Macro-comp. A little less expensive than the spectra, though still a bit pricey.
Look into the Shield Plus 4”. There are 15 round factory mags available for the Plus line, and quality wise you’re much better off.
Don't buy a X-Marco straight up. Buy the MCU, then build it out from there. You'll get a better p!stol.
@TheHandHistoryVault Oh the fire control unit? Thanks!
@oleboy7615 I have considered the Shield plus. My first carry gun is the Shield 1.0.
@@DougMcDave Yeah, then go for a misfit machine frame.
Does the shield plus come with an option for a rail?
No
I’m going to venture and guess you select the equalizer lol
I heard the Reflex is easy to rack - true?
Well my main carry gain in the summer is the regular shield. California problems lol. It does the job. I just train to sh*t to get competent. The trigger is fine nothing to right home about. It does the job of a cheaper approchable edc handgun. But thay being said my winter and fall carry gun in a CZ SP01 because im a mad man.
Try the Equalizer best elements of it 3 most common semi-auto's from S&W. Only issue is lack of ambi controls for the slide release. Sot it better out of the box then I did the Glock 43X or Ruger American Compact.
Grip safety 👎
wfd@@PepeDeezNutz
@@virginiascurti5036 trash
@@virginiascurti5036 you heard me
IWI Masada Slim for the win💯💯💯
The SW check is in mail 😳🤣✌️🍺🇺🇸
Lmao probably
I had horrible luck with fn 9, wouldn't trust it as a daily. Had issues with trigger, safety, hammer.
Look at the price difference between the others and the Spectre Comp...
Those things are going for $1,400 and up. You could buy an Equalizer and a Shield Plus and 1000 rounds of ammo... That Sig would have to do dishes and give me head for that price, and this is coming from a guy who carries a Sig every day (not a 365!).
ok, so honest question here. I've never fired a pistol with a grip safety. Held a couple of them, but haven't fired them.
What is it about the grip safety that people don't like?
People don't like the possibility of forgetting to disengage the safety. And they're wider/ less comfortable to carry.
I think it’s more an aesthetic approach to not like a grip safety. Yes they are ugly but..they do teach you the proper grip and train you to not limp wrist a semi automatic. Great for safety and training . And that is not a dig on the 1911 platform.
@@Privat3Kag3 There is nothing wider or uncomfortable about a grip safety to carry.
It’s a matter of familiarity and training. Grip safeties can be hard to engage without proper training bc it’s engaged by your grip. If you don’t grip with the proper technique it can render the gun dead which can get you killed in an altercation. Most people don’t actually train with their guns today.
@@oleboy7615 I absolutely misread that as thumb safety. Now I'm an idiot
Gen 3 Glock 19 or Canik TP9 SF Elite.
You should really try the Lone Wolf Dusk 19 my guy. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised. It’s officially become part of my rotation with the Shield Plus. Although slightly larger than the Shield Plus 4in w/13rnd mag it’s still easy to conceal even for a more slender fella like myself. I carry it in a Tulster Oath too btw
I'll have to check that out. Thanks man
👍
I’ll stick with my arex zero 1 s
No need to watch. He said he would carry the USFA 22lr Zip Gun above any gun if he could find one for sale, because it's the most powerful and especially the most reliable handgun ever made. He said if he can't find one of those for sale though, he would carry a 22lr NAA revolver, because of its powerful round and high capacity, he could take out 30 bad guys without ever having to reload.
Please measure and post slide pull back weights. Those with weaker hands (or wives/girlfriends) will thank you. Set the trend.
Don't worry. Honest Outlaw couldn't shoot the FN either. It appears that the sights are garbage.
After the first single stack version, Ill never buy another Sheild for myself. Not worth dealing with any potential problems down the road.
How funny considering Sig has had more problems and recalls on more guns than all other top tier manufacturers combined since 2006, and they’re STILL having issues, but YOU don’t want problems down the road! I mean you can’t make this shit up!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm going to carry a 1911a1 government. I don't care if I print. I'm used to it, and people have said, "I don't want to tick you off."Just call me old school.
No school like the old school.
"IF the shield plus didn't exist." Meanwhile here in CA, it doesn't. Neither does any gun designed and released after about 2005.
I think the slide on the shield is to small🙄🙄
Please explain, I am sitting here and comparing it to 365 xl and they are virtually the same.
@@davidsawyer6003 They’re not the same! The Plus has half an inch shorter brl and is shorter over all length. Noticeably.
@@oleboy7615 I'm sitting here with the both of them side by side the 365 xl is less than a 1/2" longer even though the barrel is longer and their height is nearly identical.
@@davidsawyer6003 Right on, Brah!
If there wasn't the SIGP365, then the Shield Plus is it! Actually, I have both and interchange both as my carry. BTW, I am an OWB guy.
Those of you carrying something else: I'm sure you all think your gun is the best. Good👍 carry it, love it, build a trusting relationship with it, but know like the neighbors wife, the shield Plus is better.😮😂
Simple: Super Redhawk Alaskan 454 Casull. Stop crying about ammo capacity.
M&P is overrated, never liked the line (don’t hang me for saying this). Lol
No, the M&P is more underrated than overrated. Sig is overrated.
@@oleboy7615sig shoots smoother, the XL shoots better than the plus anyways, I haven’t fired the new tempo barrel gas system they put in the 5.7 or .22mag yet but that perked my interest a little
@@PhilJLF Subjective observation. I prefer the Plus to the XL & X Macro. 🤷🏻♂️
@@PhilJLF Well... you're not wrong.
@@TheHandHistoryVault Yeah he is. Any informed person is aware. Clearly the both of you are misinformed.
Either you or the Reflex is shooting consistently low and left.
FN Reflex? Really?