Taking a Look at an Arcade Game that was Unsuccessfully Sued... (Stacker)
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- I'm thinking people like this game more because it actually "sorta" resembles a "game", unlike Key Master...
0:00 Intro
0:05 Origins
0:26 About the Game / Strategy
2:06 Personal Impressions
2:42 About the Game / Strategy / Personal Impressions (Part 2)
4:02 Get Sued lol
4:42 Conclusion
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If LAI weren't cowards, they'd let you stack the 3 blocks all the way to the top instead of dropping to only one block, and just showing a pixel art middle finger when you almost win.
It would be really hard to shift a block 3 entire spaces to force you to miss when payout is primed though. If it was actually a skill based game entirely i think it would be way too easy. Theyd have to add like 10 levels and the speed would just turn into a siezure inducing straight line in order to still make it profitable to arcade owners.
@coreydopson2030 "If they did it that way they couldn't cheat." Yes, that is the point.
@thatguyonyoutube989 its gambling dude. It isnt meant to be a skill based thing if it was it was literally only lose money for the arcade. Is it predatory? Yes. But why would anyone buy and stock a prize machine that pays out 100% of the time. Youve had to charge an insane amount to play just to break even or have literal trash offered as the prizes.
@coreydopson2030 it being gambling rather than a test of skill, is exactly what many of these machines have been successfully sued for. Nobody's asking for a payout literally every time you play. Just when you genuinely win.
Our politicians are worthless. I’ve been saying for years and years that these types of games should be required to place a decal disclosing whether they are 100% skill based or rigged. And if rigged, they must disclose the average number of plays between payouts.
Even if there were machines that disclose probabilities, the arcade owners would likely get rid of this information if possible to them.
@@ParisFletcherthe point is it will be required to be displayed, like cigarette warnings
@@ParisFletcherand then they would lose their business license on the annual random inspection
Same concept we use for restaurants, or actual casinos for that matter
I've played shmups since I was five and have reflexes like a steel trap. My friends filmed me playing this game and the game's timing arbitrarily switching to make me lose. They compiled a video showing it happening; they slowed it down and even put a metronome to the block's movement to prove the timing. We sent emailed it to the manufacturer demanding a prize. Of course, we never got a response.
It is crazy how they are basically allowed to rig these like slot machines. The people who play them seem similar to casino players. The people who claim "Oh I won a PS5 and then a week later won an Xbox" are probably the same people who say when they go to the casino they always come out ahead. lol
@@HerecomestheCalaveraThey know that 98% of gamblers quit right before they win it big, truly astute individuals
Skill issue get better
@@Shizkeb You can't get better on chance.
@@moho472 my comment wasn’t serious
In this PC game called Tower Unite, in the arcade they have a Stacker-like game. Its tickets based since its virtual, but instead of doing Minor/Major jackpots, it's actually more of a play till you lose game. Here's how it works.
-You stack the blocks like normal, with the speed increasing everytime. The blocks are only reduced if the blocks don't touch on the tower.
-For *each* block that is stacked on the tower, you earn a Point. Getting 3 blocks on the tower will be 3 points for example.
-When you reach the top, the tower will scroll up till you only see the top block(s), the game then resumes.
-Each time you reached the top, it levels you up and it increases a multiplier, as well as speed! (Level 1 = 1 Point per block. Level 2 = 2 Points per block. Level 3 = 3 Points per block.)
-A ticket is worth every 3 points I believe.
-Its not rigged, requires good timing and it doesn't end. It goes as long as you can stack.
- The strategy is to try and keep the 3 blocks you start with as long as possible and get has high of a level as possible to increase your multiplier for a good Ticket Payout.
I wouldn't mind if there is a Stackup game like Tower Unite's version.
I remember when I was a child, I was going for a Nintendo DS that was inside of the prize stacker machines. I felt like I kept getting the timing correct for the major prize, but never was able to win the DS. This legitimately ruined the whole day for me. For this reason I have a strong dislike for stacker.
Literally me with keymaster and a 3ds, that shit was IN
My first boss at a sbarros pizza got stupid lucky with a stacker one time. It was a stacked blue/club(?) We had one in the food court of our mall and after work we would sometimes go out and spend $4 each just to test fate. One night he got it. He picked a fairly decent digital camera (this was 2007), the prize dropped and got stuck on the window, the game has a senor to see if a prize fell and if not it gives out a second one. So he got a gameboy micro and then nudged the machine to drop the camera. It was a pretty sweet deal. We never saw anyone ever win from that ever again afterwards.
I saw a friend win a playstation 4 on one of these stacker games ~5 years ago
Do Barber Cut Lite, I don't think it was sued but it's had a lot of interesting player cheating history. Laser pointers on the string to burn the prizes off, they had to change the string color, shaking the machine to swing the string into the blade, It's the most risky prize game to have imo
I'm surprised he didn't mention the cheat code for stacker that let's you clear out a minor prize row
True! @@MarcusFigueras
@@MarcusFigueras I’m curious. I want to know, but I won’t use it for evil lol
@Tahllia once you get to the major prize level, hover over the row you're interested in and slam your hands on the continue button and the prize release button at the same time and hold until its done dispensing. You know you did it right if instead of a continuous sound effect its a sound bit with several pauses. There are better tutorials online but one thing they usually fail to mention is that this only works on the very original revision of stacker, never on stacker mini or on mega stacker, and I've seen it fail sometimes on regular stacker, and it might be due to hardware revisions
I know this is a strange thought, but I always wondered why we never saw a Regular Show episode where Mort and Rig try to win something from a stacker-like machine.
Obviously they struggle to do so and have to train to get better but they become so obsessed with stacking things that they accidentally create a tower of objects from the park that they end up becoming the rulers of.
You should cover the multitude of ball dropper games. Probably not worth it ticket wise but it's very fun to see the ball bounce around.
Particularly not worth it because they tend to jack up the price on those damn things. They're fun to play with, but I've never seen one that's worth more than one little go at most with how many credits they demand compared to way better games for grinding tickets.
The price problem comes in most when there's a small and a large one in the arcade. Everyone want to pay extra for the big one.
I've won a lot of stacker machines in my life. I always get excited when I see it. I even won a Wii back in 2007 at a Niagara falls arcade when they were still hard to find.
Winning a PSP the day the last Harry Potter movie came out was another good memory
Red stacker is the easiest
Blue stacker is slower but the timing seems to be more strict
I've never won a mega stacker or the mini stacker. I've only ever won the regular size red stacker
I won a PS3 slim one time and a PSP Go a few months later. Both on red stacker, same location.
I personally would recommend a video on either Quik Drop or Deal or No Deal. Both of those are personal favourites of mines at arcades
Ive seen Mega Stackers at ridiculous prices these days. Anywhere from $3 to $6 a play is just not worth it
Once when I was a kid at the arcade, I thought I hacked the redemption stacker machine because I was getting “minor prize” every game, I ended up using the entirety of my credits on stacker
When i was in my early teens i was saving up for a Nintendo DS. Saw one in one of these at the movie theater. Long story short i spent about $40 trying to win the thing and sunk cost fallacy etc...
At least it helped keep me away from gambling.
A friend of mine actually won a video game on Stacker after 3 tries once (I think it was a copy Pokken Tourney back when that was new). That was a fun memory.
A weird request, but can you do a video on the token to card transition most all arcades are doing/have already done? Is it to reduce operating costs or stop people from using car wash tokens in your arcade or something?
It's because those @%$#&! coin mechs constantly jam.
As good as it feels walking away with a large stack of physical tickets, I have never once remembered to bring them back to redeem a bigger prize next time.
I got to that last block so many times as a kid, only to "lose" on the last one. Took while before I realized it's a scam. Pretty sure this game is where I developed trust issues. Such a scam
A video on the many variations of coin pushers would be interesting.
It’s here.
On a trip to a hotel arcade in Iowa my brother and I were able to win the major prize multiple times on stacker. That one was set to be 100% skill based and never felt rigged. Every one ive played since hasn't felt the same as that one unfortunately.
Thank you for covering this, Capy!! Super fun!! :D another rigged classic that you could cover is the old Cyclone game. The sounds of it are so nostalgic to me
An arcade I went to as a child had a prize stacker machine that had boxes worth 20000 tickets as the major prize. I won it 3 times in the course of a single month, and it was suspiciously out of order when I returned the next month. I never won again after that lol
My favorite arcade games were always the bouncy ball drop games like Monster Drop. There's a few different sizes by different companies but they all have the same idea.
Lol almost thought this was a reupload. Nice vid
A laser tag place I frequented when I was younger had one of these machines with vouchers for free games of laser tag in the minor tier. Used to go and instead of paying for admission, just play stacker for it, which was reliably like 90% cheaper.
Very entertaining and fun to watch. Thanks for posting this.
Hooray for 1k subs 🎉
Oh my as a young dumb 20 some year old about 15-18 years ago I wasted so much money on this haha. I was convinced I could win until one day I watched the last block jump when I knew I hit it. Back then I used to crush the claw machine, there were times I would win multiple things from one machine filling my girlfriend, now long time wife's arms with useless stuffed toys and trinkets. She always smiled when I gave them to her because she's sweet but she didn't really want them haha. Because of this I stupidly thought I was the arcade god, I thought for sure I could beat that stacker machine. Maybe get my lady an iPod or somthing cool like that, mean while I did was pay the machines owners mortgage payment, while my girl secretly wished I would save my money. I did win the girl in the end who's managed to put up with me for 17 years of marriage tomorrow. No more stacker for me though, you live you learn.
Recently found and binged all your videos, would love to see a video on Quick Drop!
I'd say try doing Cyclone next. I've seen it quite a bit in the various redemption arcades that I've been at, and the incandescent lights do a pretty good job of masking the moments where it rigs you out of a win you otherwise would've gotten.
Wow…digging these videos. Keep it up
I just discovered your channel and am absolutely hooked after watching all your videos, could you make one giving your opinions on those ball drop games like monster drop? Its my typical go-to for jackpot redemption games since its the one I feel I have mastered the technique for ticket farming lol. Keep up the great work!
the deal or no deal arcade game was a mainstay back in my day. I didn't like to play it myself because I thought the payout wasn't worth it but it was always fun watching others play it. It would be cool if you made a video on it :) my personal favorite one to actually play was chameleon paradize (although I did have to look up the name). I vaguely remember it didn't give out many tickets but idk it was fun.
Yes! My local arcade has one but the timers are all set to 3 seconds so you don't get any of the suspense.
One of my favorite games in the arcades were the lightgun games for the Terminator and Aliens franchises, usually using the same game frame. I'd love to see one of those covered one day!
im obsessed with these videos
I would love if you could review those coin pusher games, I would be curious to know the details about them. Love the videos!
Interesting note that wasn't mentioned here, the "Mega Stacker Lite" version, which is purely redemption only, has an incrementing Major Prize and it has a separate "difficulty" setting. When it is set to Easy, you start out with 4 blocks instead of 3, and it allows for 2 blocks at the minor ticket level instead of 1.
Try doing the Monster drop arcade game if you can, I always felt like those were reliable when it came to actual skill
You should cover quik drop! One of my favorite arcade games, and one of the only ones ive actually hit jackpot on haha
I love monster ball drop games, would be awesome if you did a video on one of those. Love these!
This one’s probably obvious. But I got blatantly cheated by a claw game once. It was the purple one that has the fake jewelry in it (unhelpful I know). I picked up a pair of sunglasses with the claw and it went up and was holding. Then before it got to the chute to drop the prize in, it stopped, lowered itself, gently opened the claw and set the prize back down in the machine, retracted again, closed the claw, then moved over the chute and opened the claw again acting like I had just missed it. Have played a lot of claw games in the past but have never seen anything like that before in my life. Funny to think about now but man at the time I was fuming. 😆
I remember unplugging and plugging a stacker "blue" back in, and it's almost as if the payout reset to a "ready" state of some sort. I cleaned out the machine, had like 5 ipod Nanos and a bunch of headphones. This was some time ago though so I'm sure things have changed now
Oh hey, thanks for featuring my comment in the main part of the video!
Hiya! Saw your Key Master video and got hooked on your arcade game reviews!
Could you cover the game "Color Match" if you see it?
Can you cover Ball Drop and The Gigantic Ball drop cabinets?
They seem to be the most random(unless holes are rigged) with the bouncy balls but have the highest chance for big ticket payouts
My older brother won 2 PSPs and 2 iPod touches from the same stacker machine once, I didn’t see it happen but apparently the speed was slower then usual
ayooo new capybarski vid dropped
do you think you could cover speed of light? I'm not sure if there's actually enough behind it to make a video on, but it's a pretty fun game
I'm your 1000th subscriber!
I’d love to see you talk about hoopla! It’s one of my all time favorite games and I legitimately made lots of profit from an arcade I play at with it!
I really think you should talk about coin dozer type games. The ones where you launch coins to push prizes down.
I played this game exactly once as a kid when it showed up at a mini golf course. Got all the way to the top and “missed” the last input… but it felt like there was a half second delay there so I knew something was up immediately.
I was 9.
Gravity hill is one of my favorite arcade games! Where would you rank it
I won an OG Nintendo Wii back in 2007 on a Super Stacker machine in a local movie theater, a few months later the machine was gone lol.
See if you can do Drill-O-Matic, my dad used to always win at it, getting the 500 ticket jackpot A LOT of times at a local arcade before it shut down.
May be a bit harder to find a GOOD machine that isn’t jank though since I remember him winning a lot in the mid 2000’s
I remember actually winning Mega Stacker for tickets back in 2014! It printed A LOT of tickets
Can you do the angry birds arcade next. Ive play it at least once but wonder if it rigged or not, because you can get trash or ok structures. Also at my local Round One the bird ball thingy always gos higher than the spotlight that helps you aim and I wonder if just a faulty machine or is it for every other machine. Btw I love or arcade vids keep doing them and your editing style and voice reminds me of t3rr0r and I wanted to ask is this his second channel or is it just a coincidence.
I would usually play stacker club when I saw one as a kid. The one time I won the major prize, I picked a Shrek 2 DVD over a Nikon digital camera because I was like 9.
I think stacker has a soft spot in my heart because it was the first prize redemption game where I actually won something of value from the Major Prize, which (at like 2008-ish) was an iPod nano for $1. Then afterward, I kept winning prizes at a consistent rate (usually once a month) ranging from a camera to a 500 GB hard drive, to even a LCD TV from Mega Stacker.
I remember the best one I did when I was in the chucky cheez was Smokin' Token by PrimeTime Amusements. It mustve been good because I dont see it anymore
I already said this, but just in case u didnt see it, could u review the angry birds arcade game?
I used to work at a laser tag that had one of these original small red stackers in their lobby I would say around 2008. My minimum wage co workers and I would count the amount of plays and then when it got to around 100 (it was controlled by the external amusement company) we would drop $20~ to win a big prize. The best stuff it had at the time was iPod nano's
Can you look at the arcade version of minecraft dungeons?
Please make a video on Coin pushers, i was able to get a consistent coin jackpots and was able to get some good prizes at the prize booth.
I hate stacker because of how rigged it is. But when you run into a machine that isn't heavily rigged, it feels so good.
My brother and I both won the stackers game a long time ago. Must’ve been 2006/2007 and they had it at a Buffalo Wild Wings. I won an iPod classic and my brother ended up winning a bing type iPod a few months later which was basically useless since it’s bing. I came so close countless times where I knew I got the timing right but it would still show that it was off by one. I guess I just got lucky that I was able to win once
Can you do a video on coin pusher games please?
You should play The Coin Game. It’s a steam arcade game simulator. And recreates tons of arcade and carnival games to play on pc in a virtual arcade.
Nice :)
I understand that some models of Stacker let you get an entire row of minor prizes simply by holding down the "Prize Select" button.
Scam the scammers. Nice
Oh, I had one of those in my arcade.
This is actually a great game, my absolute favorite. Yes, it is usually rigged, but you can reliably determine when it is rigged, and then stop playing. A lot of machines you run across will be ready to pay out - those machines aren't rigged at the moment, and you can win on your first try if you're good at the game. Once you've won, of course, stop playing. Don't come back to the machine for a month or so.
I've won Beats headphones, a PS3, 2 Subway gift cards, and the jackpot prize twice. I don't have to play the game that much - if I'm having an off day, it takes me 3 tries to determine if it's ready to pay out or not. There are phone apps you can download that exactly mimic the stacker club timing, they're great for practice.
Every version of this game ive played the minor prize you could win every single time. One of them have a bunch of the pokemon phone straps/key rings and I cleared out a whole row just to get the Rayquaza at the back haha. Also did win a pretty cute bear on the minor prize once which my girlfriend at the time really liked.
Please take a look at Angry Birds: Coin Crash. It's so much fun to see those towers come crashing down!
I see you've not done any coin-pushers yet. How about Pac-Man Ball? Its a fun combo of video screen and coin push.
You should do Pink Panther Jewel Heist Next :D
You should cover the I Cube redemption game next.
Can you talk about Smash Stadium and various other konami coin pushers that eject cards as well.
I remember playing this when i was a teenager, the top prize was a £50 note or some crappy camera, i won it after 2 tries and the worker tried so hard to make me take the cheap chinese camera hahah
Make a whole tierlist vid plz
Do Luigi's Mansion Arcade. I know its a bit of a rarity, I've only ever seen it at a Dave&Busters, but I do think it'll be worth your time
You should review coin pushers :)
I won a Nintendo Ds out of a stacker machine in Niagara Falls back in 2009. I’ve played since then when I find one, but haven’t ever won major besides that one time. I’d happily waste a couple bucks at this game and feel like I have a chance rather than the key one or that fucked up cut the rope one. I know my chances are about the same but at least it’s enjoyable while playing.
I remember i won a wii in one of these games back in 2007 but the prize didn't drop I had to get help it took them all week just to give it to me
Tbh I dont mind it when its a redemption game.
Only prize games I take a chance on are Claw Machines x.x
Funny story, before I moved to japan, I had a route I used to go on that consisted of 15-20 different locations since I worked nearby. They consisted of malls, movie theaters, bowling allies, and some restaurants/sports bars. I ended up winning multiple 250 and 500 dollar gift cards that you had to send off to collect the prize. So much to where I almost had to pay taxes on the winnings. I guess there’s a limit based on each state that you can win before needing to fill out a tax form? One of the last times I won stacker I was playing at a laser tag arena which I just stopped by to play the stacker as it was near a restaurant I was going to with friends and I played once and got rigged at the major prize level. Since I put a dollar in and it was 50 cents to play, I was certain I was going to lose, however, that play was the play that put it in the winnable payout range and I won a 3DS in front of my friends. That prize got stuck on the hook so I picked the prize above it because it let me select again which were some 100ish dollar headphones and ended up knocking the other prize down as well.
Ah stacker. As a kid I would always get suckered into playing it at cici's pizza. Good times.
Do fishbowl frenzy next.
I miss pinball.
Pinball takes actual SKILL.
Nowadays it seems pinball machines are only in private homes and the occasional bar. Or, as I went to the last two years, an arcade convention.
It is crazy that they are basically allowed to rig arcade machines. Any machine with expensive prizes are going to be 100 percent rigged. There is no way they would let a skilled player show up and clean out the prizes. If you were skilled you could leave with like $1,000+ worth of prizes. Since they are rigged they might as well just make it so when you put your money in it just either lights up win or lose since that is basically how it works.
I remember seeing one at a movie theater as a kid and thinking "this obviously has to be rigged". Glad I never played it
I suggest harpoon lagoon
These stacker games are programmed to have input delay the higher the stack, with the option to intentionally ignore inputs for a certain amount of attempts. You could be frame perfect and account for the delay, and the game will just say you lost anyway.
i had an aracade by me that gave out free bowling passes and laser tag passes as the minor prize so for $.25 a pop I was king of the arcade.
You picked the perfect worthless knick-knack, the crappy carabiner compass combo
Can you talk about Fruit Ninja?
I remember paying this game at the local cinema at the time, would play everytime i saw a movie
I got suspicious half a decade in when the prices in the machine where still now 5 year old consoles lol
I dont think a single person won at that machine in years, and i do think these machines shouldn't be legal, everything about it makes you think its based on skill, not gambling
I hate when Stacker machines have ZERO minor prizes
You have no idea how much anger this machine has filled me with
I'd play that key game all day over hearing "woo!" And "uh oh! Oh no!" Any day
Even hearing that machine being played near by annoys the hell out of me
Can’t tell you how many dollar bills I’d have these machines, only hit GP once and the prize selection was garbage
As a kid I stopped playing Stacker after i for sure won a major prize and the machine just said no. I talked to like staff they said too bad! Never played stacker again after that this was over 10years ago.