Can You Have Bipolar Disorder + Borderline Personality? |Here’s Why It Matters
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- čas přidán 19. 05. 2020
- Can you have bipolar disorder and borderline personality disorder at the same time? I've been asked this question several times and the answer is yes. In fact, some people will refer to this as borderpolar. This isn’t an official term but one that's coined by professionals in the field.
One of the key places bpd and bipolar disorder overlap is in the mood instability. With bpd, you can get rapidly shifting mood states that last hours or a day. Whereas episodes of mania or depression last a minimum of 4 days for hypomania and 2 weeks for depression.
The latest research has shown is about 20% of people have both disorders. Twenty percent is still a low frequency, it’s less than half. But even so, the people who have both of these going on at the same time tend to have a more severe illness course.
This matters with the treatment you get. The primary treatment for bipolar disorder is medication first and therapy second. Helpful therapies are social rhythm and interpersonal therapy, cognitive behavior therapy, psychodynamic therapy, and dialectical behavior therapy.
For borderline personality disorder, the primary treatment is therapy first and maybe medication if there is something else to treat like depression, anxiety or ADHD just to name a few. The gold standard therapy for borderline personality disorder dialectical behavior therapy.
If you have both disorders, you need medication and DBT or some other comparable therapy for your borderline personality disorder. Medication alone is probably not going to be enough.
This is something your doctor or therapist could help you navigate and determine the best course of treatment.
Reference
Patel RS, Manikkara G, Chopra A. Bipolar Disorder and Comorbid Borderline Personality Disorder: Patient Characteristics and Outcomes in US Hospitals. Medicina (Kaunas). 2019;55(1):13.
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You’re one of the few who haven’t gave up on us
This comment really hits home.
This women is all about facts and thats what we need, right? Psychologists are most of the time people who think they are right and you are wrong even if theyre not right and dont look at the facts. Its crazy how this woman gives us info for free and psychologists take ur money for being stubborn, for thinking their right in every way :')
Several years ago I lived in Spokane Washington and my counselor (not this person)at the first couple meetings I really thought she was a flake cuz she would close her eyes when I would speak on the third visit I confronted her and she remembered everything I said. I just had to remember this
*given up
@@M0101EP Oh, I’m so glad someone else has had this exact same experience with mental health medical personnel! I was beginning to think it was me in the wrong!
Im borderpolar and Its like Living in a hell. I wish I only had my bipolar disorder. Living with Bought disorder makes it impossible to have close relations. People Think you are crazy and the never know What to expect from you. And the thing you a longing most for, love and emotionel close relationships, end up in kaos.
Im currently in love with someone who borderpolar. It seems the more i try to be understanding the more she takes my kindness for weakness. First she would block me over heated arguments, then it was over pettt arguments, and now she will call out the blue and create an argument just to block me. She drag that shit out for days, weeks, or even months. The less i argue with her the more she finds a reason to argue. She knows I have abandonment issues so the blocking is her way taking out her anger on me via emotional abuse. How can i love someone who does this? Im trying to be understanding but when someone makes a life decision in a matter ofseconds then they follow through with it until the damage is done how am i supposed to get through to that person.
Fiona, but how do you know that you have not only bipolar but also bpd? Whats the main reasons you're doctor diagnosed u with both ? I think its very difficult diagnose.
I was wondering what does mean Bipolar Disorder (Border Line),it was written as my diagnose a couple of years ago. I didn't knew that Border Line Disorder is comletly other diagnose before watching this and a couple of other videos from Dr.Tracey Marks. And yes i agree, it's a living nightmare having both diagnoses Borderpolar. I lost my job cus of my struggle with these mental illnes and now out of money to visit my psychiatrist for a session. Just as you say Fiona, all relationships these 3 and a half years since i've been diagnosed went like disaster an haos.
You know, the most beautiful love I've ever experienced was with my girlfriend who was borderpolar. Yes it was tough but we loved each other so much that it was surprisingly the healthiest relationship I've ever had, and the most beautiful and touching one. She remains til this day the person I've loved and cherished the most, she was completelt out of this world, like an angel. Of course it was heartbreaking and exhausting to put up with her extremely violent maniac episodes, her sad sad depression, and the rest. But guess what? It was NOTHING compared to the beauty of our love. Please never, never give up. No matter how hard it is. You will find someone to settle with one day, it will be tough but it's possible that it doesn't end in chaos. It's very hard but it's possible I'm the living example. You are, I'm sure, a beautiful soul. I hope that one day you can find your twin flame. Because it's beautiful and you deserve it ❤️
@@gocechairz5787 was she in therapy?
I think we should really look into how mental illnesses affect a person when combined together. It seems to change them significantly.
A million times this
It's called comorbid and theres lots of research on comorbid personality disorders. For example, schizoaffective means someone who is schizophrenic, comorbid with a personality disorder.
Right on; I also dig your username
No, schizoaffective is being schizophrenic comorbid with a mood disorder. Theres Schizoaffective Depressive type and there’s Schizoaffective Bipolar type.
I've noticed that many patients don't fit neatly into a single category like, bipolar, they exhibit patterns and behaviors of other disorders as well. There seems to be a lot of overlapping that makes things confusing...
I have bipolar 2 and BPD, along with some other things. While it is hard, know that you're not alone, a lot of people go through it. I've gotten so so so much better with time, medication, therapy, journaling, exercise and doing everything in my power to have a better quality of life, it truly gets better, I mean, you learn to better deal with it so it starts to lose power over you. While it never really goes away, you're not doomed to an unhappy life, you can be a happy, functional being while battling with these disorders. I'm not saying it's easy, it is definitely not, I've been through living hell, even being rejected by health care professionals, until I decided this would not be my life. I have my moments, of course. I have really hard times, but I also have really good times, and those are the ones I focus on, the ones that are worth living for. Never give up. You're not alone, you're not doomed, you're not en evil, crazy, manipulator that has no feelings even if people say that to you. I see you, keep going 💙
Hey I have the same thing! Idkw I'm excited but yeah I am to know I'm not alone..
Literally same
Hey, can we chat? 😢 its therapeutic talking to someone who understand whats goes into your mind and whats you go through.
@@ohmaryam9150 hi I would like that
@@mehsharma6601 hii whats your Instagram ?
Just gotta day- you have the best hair on CZcams! It’s gorgeous, and I’m highkey jealous.
Lol! Thank you! 😊 that made my day
@@DrTraceyMarks can you do a video on sleepwalking. I'm a chronic sleepwalker. some doctors say it may be due to severe trauma I've gone through and being stressed. most of the time when I sleep walk it's almost like I'm dreaming and I somewhat know what I had done when I wake up. I often fall and have busted my head open multiple times since January and have had many severe concussions and one "brain injury since January also. it was a minor bruise on the brain. the other night tho I woke up with no clothes on. I had found my flannel outside, I locked myself out of my bedroom (I live in a rooming house) when I woke up I was more scared than I have ever been about me sleepwalking, especially when I found out I had possibly left the house. I lost my medications (I still don't know where I put them) I was confused the rest of the day and scared as hell.
@@DrTraceyMarks you really do! Your hair is highly beautiful. I have straightish wavy hair. Your hair has so much volume. Love it!
@@DrTraceyMarks also your voice gives me a lot of calmness. Reminds me of the guy that hosted *the reading rainbow* show 😊 nostalgia
As a fellow border/polar, I have had to come to the realization that I have to take these ailments as seriously as someone who is struggling with heart issues. It is exhausting, having to be constantly aware of triggers, harms, foods I eat, people I'm around because all of the individual things add up and have a total effect on my mind and how easily my will to live is defeated. As a survivor if more attempts than I care to say, I literally have had to come to the point if realizing every day of my life is a battle to keep me alive and help my children to avoid the pitfalls that have ensnared me many times simply because of my own ignorance.
Then we have physical conditions on top it is hard to know what is causing whatever it is you're feeling and/or thinking. Am I down due to my diabetes or is it my bipolar depression?
It feels like my world is like a never-ending winter with perfect storms everyday.
How this happened at first?
I have this. Hell is an understatement, it’s a battle every second of every day. It’s difficult to understand and difficult to explain.
Amen.
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Thank you so much for this! I’ve been diagnosed as bipolar by psychiatrists and told I don’t have bpd, but went to the hospital multiple times and the psychiatrists diagnosed me as borderline. It’s been frustrating because I think it’s important to know in order to get the right help.
Yes it is Angela. The therapy should help with your stability.
Did the bipolar diagnosis change..what u r diagnosed with now at last..
I'm diagnosed with bpd and bipolar type 2. I was misdiagnosed 5 times and I finally found an answer by my current doctor. it's very possible for having both. You're not alone :)
@@o56_idress_ahmed_ee32 I was diagnosed with bipolar 1 in my early 20's and ptsd after then generalized anxiety disorder. My last psychiatrist apt changed my generalized anxiety disorder to panic disorder. Left everything else the same but added bpd to the mix.
@@DrTraceyMarks after 3 years of struggling I've finally had the courage to schedule a meeting with a psychiatrist but I'm scared I'll be misdiagnosed. Or they won't believe me because mental health conditions isn't really taken serious in my country. They tell you to go pray.
Over the years Your videos has really helped me in understanding myself to an extent.
I've tried therapy but I noticed I get better couple of weeks or luckily a month or two and then I disappear again. It's been frustrating because when I'm like a normal or hypomania I start to beat myself on while I was feeling that way before because it doesn't seem like what the current me would do. Like I was I purposely sabotaging my life when I look back but soon after I switched.
At first I thought I had unipolar depression but later I started seeing signs of borderline personality disorder now it's more clear to me that it might be bipolar 2 disorder.
Please is it possible for unipolar to progress to bpd and then bipolar or unipolar to bpd with bipolar together..
Earlier part of my struggle my depressive symptoms were more intense compelled to now and I don't know if it was because I'm now more self aware of my condition or it progresses. Suicidal ideas, attempts, emptiness, anger, everything was intense (age 14 to 22) now 24
Now that part is a bit more subtle (I don't know if it was because I left my toxi job environment which to me greatly impacted it) but I still don't feel normal and it has impacted my carrier negatively.
Omg thank you so so much for making this video. I have been obsessively digging the internet for boderpolar info and it's just so hard to find them. I've been diagnosed with bipolar II disorder about 5 months ago and the medication helped tremendously... But only for a couple months. At that point, I thought I just needed an increase in my antidepressant dose coz the depression is not going away and was suddenly more intense than ever. Then I saw your video about BPD. Immediately, I wanted to talk to my psychiatrist so badly coz I was starting to realize that I might have 6 out of the 9 BPD symptoms in me, but with the pandemic and all, my next appointment is pushed to August, which is driving me insane coz I really need to talk to her. I was afraid that I was misdiagnosed and the medications I'm taking are not suitable for me. ....That is until I came across the term 'borderpolar'. Only then I know that it is possible to have both bipolar and BPD. And thanks to this video, I've learned something new and I will be ready to talk about this with my psychiatrist as soon as I see her again. I just hope I can get through until the time comes.... Thank you again, Dr.
I’m so happy these videos have been helping you (and others, including myself) gain more insight to your Self and providing relief as well! It sounds like keeping to the lower dose and including DBT or other therapies will help you greatly! There are plenty of videos and articles online that can help in searching for BPD treatment. Good Luck and Wishing You All the Best! ✨🙏🏻🌸❤️😊
I hope the conversation with your doctor goes well for you Ashiya. I’m so glad this video helped.
What u mainly find in bpd which makes it different from Bipolar..what's the main reason..plz tell..if u feel 6 out of 9 Symptoms of bpd ...are they more annoying than bipolar disorder.
What's main difference between bipolar disorder and bpd..what u find that what is the main difference..if u feel 6 BPD symptoms ,what u think is more annoying bpd symptoms or bipolar disorder..
Saddam Hussain from what I have learned (please correct me if I'm wrong. Not an expert here.), the major differences between bipolar and bpd is that; bipolar has manic/hypomanic episodes where you get pretty unhinged and kinda hyper or irritable mood for at least 4 days, followed by an episode of depression that could last a long time, while bpd has an intense fear of abandonment as well as rapid changes of intense mood within hours. As to which one is more annoying, I'm not sure. I'm not exactly diagnosed with bpd (at least not yet), so I can only say that bipolar has caused me to extend my school semesters and take leaves again and again because I just can't seem to complete my assignments and go to class like everybody else.
"Your have your episodes of depression and mania that come and go but then you can still have this level of distress, sadness, or dissatisfaction with life that doesnt seem to change, even when your depression or mania have passed. If fact it can be hard to tell if your depression or mania have passed if you're still feeling emotionally unstable."
^ this
I rammaged through so many sites in different languages and I couldn't find clear explanation of do I have borderpolar or not. And finally I understand - this so relieving. Thank you for your channel and all your works!
I was recently diagnosed with both BD1 and BPD, life is improving since. After reading about my illnesses I’ve found that I tend to be in four moods (I hope my insights are useful for whoever is reading this): manic idealization, manic devaluation, depressive idealization and depressive devaluation
This was so very true for me.
I had to try not to cry :(
It was like someone was holding up a mirror to my face and was saying; 'this, this is you'.
It was not a bad thing; it gives me more insight into what is happening with me and why.
My assessment report from my Psychiatrist was very thought and my 'Dual- Diagnosis' was completely in line with what you were saying.
The video helped describe what is happening to me in a different way, contributing to the report that I had received previously.
Thank you Dr. Marks
I am borderpolar diagnosed by health professionals several times. But as I approach my 30s and after a lot of psychotherapy, I notice that the borderline's symptoms are almost undetectable. On the other hand, I feel that the symptoms of bipolarity become more and more severe.
I hate to hear when young people have a mental illness. I've struggled with it my whole life and I'm 77. It's a long,, tough journey but you can make it I am a book author and journalist. Hang in there!
This video helped me come to realization I have not been the partner I needed to be. I appreciate the way you explained the priority in treatment it is something that if I knew then what I know now I could have made their life much easier and I hope this helps anyone who watches it in the future.
I have both. 😔
BPD all day everyday day struggles. Bipolar pops in every couple/ few times a year.
Took foreverfor me to explain what I was feeling and that the differences were different they were not feeling the same and I finally understood that those other episodes were bipolar 2.
I also have OCD, PTSD, general anxiety, panic, and social anxieties and a few severe phobias and Dysthymia.
The features I have are... Dissociation, derealisation, chronic paranoia, ideas of reference, transient stress-related psychosis, and then when the depression or hypomania kick in I get grandiose or severely paranoid and depressed or super angry agitated and irritable.
My last concussion pushed out and worsened these issues.
My goodness that's a lot of issues you have going on. I'm glad you have some clarity though on what causing white. Hang in there. 😊👍🏽
@@DrTraceyMarksthats what it’s like (in my case) when you’ve been raised from physically and emotionally abusive parents, all their trauma pushed onto us.
You are the first doctor that made a video about this. You saved me really, thanks. It would be amazing if someone can translate it to spanish
Dr. Daniel Fox has videos on this, and he is a very kind soul. His channel is simply Dr. Daniel Fox, hes a licensed psychologist who specializes in the area of personality disorders (:
You truly are a gift to society!!! Amazing ❤️
Thanks so much Hiromi!
Thank you for giving this thing a name finally. Borderpolar fits perfectly. I love your videos, they help me look into myself. I'm mainly BPD but definitely have several other issues like Bipolar II, anxiety and PTSD. It can be extremely hard to separate what is what, but you are truly helping in my process.
When 1st receiving treatment...I was diagnosed as having schizoaffective disorder...over the course of 38 years of treatment.. I have now been diagnosed as having Schizoaffective disorder by one of my health care providers..and Bipolar disorder Type 1, BPD, & C-PTSD by another. I think the manners of treatment and diagnosis have vastly evolved over my lifetime...as have the medications that are available for psychiatrists to prescribe. I have been fortunate to have more good ( Iike yourself) than bad.. psychiatrists & therapists...helping me to lead a life whereby I became a professional myself and am now retired. I really love that you are taking the effort to educate the public about mental health concerns. I so wish someone such as you would have been treating me when I was in my 30's so I could have had a chance at understanding what was going on. Thanks for what you do.
You don’t know how much hope you give me and probably many others it truly means a lot
Thank you so much for this video Dr Marks! I have bipolar with BPD traits (used to be diagnosed with full BPD), plus other psychiatric disorders, and I have to say for me personally after finding the right combination of an understanding doctor, medications, a therapist, and the appropriate therapy for me personally (DBT, ACT, and some CBT approaches), I’m doing SO much better!
It’s finally manageable. Sure, I’ve had periods of multiple hospital stays, years where I couldn’t work, ptsd, and the painful frustration of finding the right doctor and therapy, but now even through that I can finally breathe again :’)
It’s taken a while to get here and I still have down days, but not nearly as intense as before.
I never thought managing these illnesses would be possible for someone like me, but it can be!
Watching this channel has helped me so much and supplemented my healing journey too. Thank you so very much Dr Marks for providing us all with these invaluable resources.
Don’t give up hope, beautiful CZcams commenters. I’m living proof things can get better.
Sending out so much love and rooting for you all!
We are all brave survivors ❤️
Generic Gender Neutral Name Thank You! Yes! Agreed- She’s a wonderful supplement to my journey as well! Yet, as I am defiant in acquiring “conventional” money-based therapies, she is actually my main therapist!~*✨🌸🙏🏻❤️😊 Well, her and Dr. Daniel Fox’s CZcams, too. His is more on personality disorders, though- hence him being my Borderline Personality Disorder go-to! Lots of Love and Well Wishes Reciprocated! ^D ^/‘;~✨❤️🌸🙏🏻💫😆🎉
Thanks so much both of you. It always makes me happy to hear that my information brings value. @Generic Gender Neutral Name You've had quite a bit of therapy With DBT, CBT and ACT. Which did you think helped your best?
@@DrTraceyMarks Thank you for your reply Dr Marks! :)
Therapy wise:
I have found that my DBT informed group therapy has been the most transformative for my bipolar and BPD over the last few years. Applying ACT principles (which I learned in group) have also helped with "unhooking" from my unhelpful thoughts.
Currently, I am finding that having a CBT approach in my one on one therapy with my neuropsychologist has been helpful in supplementing this, especially as I have other comorbidities such as psychogenic non-epileptic seizures (PNES/NEAD) which have required more of a CBT approach.
I have to stress though that it's taken a few years to fully understand how to apply the therapy to my life, do my therapy "homework" (which I have learned to LOVE! :) ), and be fully committed to engaging in these therapies, however now I am reaping the rewards of not giving up even when it felt like it wasn't working. Journaling about therapy, getting on a low carb diet (keto informed), mindful meditation, and a morning routine help immensely too.
Thank you so much for inspiring me to never give up, Dr Marks!
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Thank you for acknowledging us and validating our struggles. Your videos always give me a sigh of relief.
No one talks about the combo of the two. Thank you.
Thank you so much Dr. Tracey for making this video! I'm 26 and recently found out I have Bipolar. I was diagnosed with BPD at 18 and it has always been very obvious I have that disorder, so my bipolar symptoms were often dismissed by myself and professionals as BPD symptoms. I actually feel kind of silly it took me this long to figure out I have both illnesses, but I guess these things are very complicated and take time to prove. This is the only video I've found on the subject that really helps me to understand what both of these diagnoses mean for me. Thank you for making this content available to us for free 🖤
Omg I have both and this is the first video I’ve ever seen with both and I feel so much less alone omg I’m so happy to see this
*me: “i hope so... because i do...”* 😂🤍
Same..
Your ability to deliver this information has been helpful to me. I appreciate your ability to express empathy, your professionalism, and cutting edge information. You are helping to reduce stigma and rendering hope to those along with myself to those that need it. Thank you Dr. Marks.
I was diagnosed BPD in my late 20s, Bipolar I in my early 30s. Also OCD, anxiety and PTSD, as well as a poly addiction history. I'm now 53. It's a little overwhelming when I put it all together. The wreckage I've caused has created massive guilt and self loathing. I admit I can be kinda scary in an episode, so I retreat a lot. So what I fear most, loneliness or not being understood, is always upon me. When I become manic or depressed, I'm likely to take it out on myself. I blame myself for the loneliness. I take DBT every few years and revisit my skills often, weekly therapy, medication. I'm pushing myself to be more physically active, because that seems to help the most. It takes the edge off of everything. Thank you, Dr. Marks!
i have been recently been diagnosed as border polar, i was on only psychological-treatment minimum drug dosage. but for me is a hardcore gift, it is tough to be who we are, but it is awesome we do not need drugs, alcohol or tobacco to feel high or chilled. but yeah without guidance it is rollercoaster of disasters. i do not have a disorder, i agree more with the claim of this guy saying bipolar in order. it is wonderful being the way i am i would not change my diagnosis to have terribly boring-average body physiologhy. we just need to healthy search those rushes of adrenaline. after i knew that i was only looking for high emotions (adrenaline) my kleptomanic tendencies disappeared. you should not be ashamed of being who you are, you just need guidance and accept the drug treatment while you become bipolar in order (functional) we are not broken, we are not damaged. we are especial. love to all. blessings.
Psych NP here- your videos are informative and adjunct my previous knowledge. Thank you!
You’re literally The Queen of the mental field. Thank you for all you do. ❤
I also have borderpolar (Bipolar 2 and BPD). Everything you said is so true and you did a great job at encapsulating all the factors
why is it so hard to find doctors like you around? I feel like they never really explain things and I'm sure your videos are more usefull to me than any appointment I've had in my life.
Truly fascinating! The lightbulb 💡 just went on for me!! Always diagnosed with rapid-cycling bipolar but with fear of abandonment, etc also... Thank you!
I just got definitely diagnosed with both. I’ve been under a pre bipolar category for 4 years and was diagnosed with borderline last year and bipolar officially this week. This is 100% correct to the T. I actually started having symptoms at 6 and now I’m 20 and finally getting the help I need.
I was recently diagnosed with BPD and Bipolar Disorder and this video really does make sense.
Thank you Dr. Traci Marks for your videos. They helped me give myself the initial small push out of my last episode of treatment-resistant bipolar depression. I was then able to seek help and continue to help myself. Watching your videos may have saved me a hospital stay, as I was psychotic and suicidal. Right now my mood is normal, which is amazing for me. We will see how long that lasts.
Oh that's great Anna. Avoiding a hospitalization is a big deal as I'm sure you know if you've been through that. I hope you stay stable for a while. Keep watching my videos.
My husband was diagnosed with both at 47. He was sexually inapporopriate with a client during a hypomanic episode. He'd had 3 suicide attempts in his past and his parents never sought help. He is now medicated and sees a therapist. It's made our marriage a difficult road. I know logically about his disorder but the heart feels differently. If only his parents had intervened in his teens.
Thank you for another educational video. At my clinic my psychiatrist does the Rx and the psychologist does the talk therapy and DBT. But nobody does much educating. Such a needed service and so helpful to gain insight and validation. Thanks again.
Hi Barbara. Thanks for your comment. Yes sometimes people can just get so focused on their area of treatment putting the pieces of information together and educating people in general can fall through the cracks. So glad you found this helpful.
I thank you from my heart for your videos, psychoeducation is just as important as the medical treatment.
I have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and for 20 years I've struggled to get control of my life. Medication smooths out the long-term mood swings, but my panic, fear and anxiety run rampant. It has negatively affected my career and my relationship with my wife. This is really cool because it makes so much sense. I am going to bring this up with my psychiatrist!
I have both. Also am recovering from addiction and major c-ptsd. I'm on Lamictal and am in therapy, utilizing DBT and CBT skills. It's a process and a journey, requiring patience, insight, and compassion for oneself. I have suffered my whole life and now, at 54, have a bit more stability and serenity. Thank you, Dr. Marks for the generosity of your expert knowledge. Love from NY.
Oh I'm so glad Gigi that things have settled down for you. Thanks for watching. Stay well. BTW I really miss New York City. 😔
I'm so glad this video exists I just recently got diagnosed bipolar disorder and was hospitalized, preview to that I was diagnosed with BPD and it's very difficult cause it takes me so much time to feel good about anything, I'm just glad my dbt therapist and psychiatrist have been very professional with this.
Thank you for making this video, it's hard for me to explain my experiences with others, and this helps a lot. I was lucky that I was given DBT for my addiction before I learned I was Borderpolar, because it really helped minimize the issues I experience
Thank you very much, I've been diagnosed with BPD but my symptoms didn't seem to fit all the descriptions, this one on the other side seems muuuch more on point
I just got a possible diagnosis of both. It makes so much sense. Why I can switch momentarily and the long periods of crushing depression and mania that comes out of nowhere.
I am diagnosed with Bipolar type 2 and traits of BPD. My Bipolar is slow cycling... both highs and lows can last anywhere from days to weeks and in some cases even months. My BPD traits cause my biggest issues with regards to interpersonal relationships though. Their impact is sudden and harsh. Everything related to borderline ‘I see comming’ if that makes sense... as it takes some time to go from one state to the other... Everything related to BPD traits... even though they always follow the same triggers... catches me by surprise. Both make me feel like I have no power over my emotions... Which only in case of a manic episode isn’t too bad for me (cause my manic episodes are without risky behaviour and make me wish I could be like that forever since I am literally feeling like a creative superhuman when in that state) Regardless... what I wanted to say is that... due to that difference in time it takes for things to change (for me personally) under the influence of Bipolar or BPD... I think of Bipolar as the ‘season’ and BPD as the ‘weather’. To me... BPD causes the storm... inside the ‘season’ (depression) caused by my Bipolar. And know I can even have some bad BPD related things happen during a manic episode but that is beyond the point I am trying to convey. Weird how this is what it feels like to me... because it is somewhat the oposite of the explenation given... where BPD is the Climate (fixed hardwire) and Bipolar the storm that rolls in... I understand that makes sense from looking at whether or not one is ‘always with you’ or changes with time... But I look at it from the perspective of how I suffer from them on the basis of interpersonal relationship issues and if the effects are slow/continuous (season) or fast/unexpected (weather). A different approach. Interested in hearing your point of view on this! Kind regards, Marten
I'm currently in the process of tracking my moods in order for my psychiatrist to give an accurate diagnosis. I have overlapping symptoms and he hasn't been able to tell me whether I have both or just one of them. I'm just glad that someone is trying to make sure that I know exactly what's going on.
Thank you for talking about this you help me understand myself and it gives me comfort to understand
I just got diagnosed with both yesterday. These videos are super helpful!
Thanks for this video. I have both bipolar and bpd, and my curtdmt treatment is DBT, after a few months with this treatment, its the first time in 27 years that i feel happy.
I have been diagnosed with both a separate times in my life. I feel like you explained me better than anyone else has. It's miserable to feel like this 24/7
I think I have both of these disorders. I'm not self diagnosed but this is the first thing I've seen that has given me a sense of relatability. I've been struggling to get help for years. My therapists either give up on me or my psychiatrists quit or move away. Nobody cares, no medication has ever helped me for a long period of time. I feel hopeless and I don't know what to do anymore.
Your videos have helped me understand myself and gain alot of insight. Its really helpful to be able to notice if im feeling a certain way due to mania or depression or if my bpd is just coming out. Its not always easy to know which one it is but I have developed coping mechanisms for each one. Its been hard to get a therapist/physchatrist who even thinks my bpd is important next to my bipolar but I really feel that it effects me at least as much if not worse.
Thank you for making this video... I've been diagnosed with BPD and Bipolar (along with PTSD)... There isn't much information out there on how these two illnesses interact... I'm interested in this because if I knew how they play off of eachother I may be able to see some episodes coming and be more prepared when they do... I'm sure there are others out there who have the same issue with lack of information... Conversations like this are a step in the right direction to clarity and understanding... Thanks again...
Excellent. I'm glad this was helpful. Thank you Colie. 😊
Love your hair, Dr. Tracey! 💜
Thank you Dr Tracey. Your videos help me understand my daughter's presenting symptoms. And this makes it easier to cope.
I had this breakdown last year and went to several psychiatrists and hospitals, one said I had BPD and the other ones said I had Bipolar disorder. I tried meds and therapy however I just started feeling good and now I feel stable but with the horrible fear of just collapsing again and not knowing if I do have a mental illness or not.
Thank you so much for your videos! ❤️
You’re welcome Lory. I’m glad you got the combination of medication and therapy.
I love you Dr. Tracey. I have border polar and I also have GAD. Thank you for all of your videos.
Thank you. Haven't been able to find something like this anywhere on the internet.
I ❤ you for being so helpful to me (us) as I struggle though this illness that has somewhat recently come to make my life that much more difficult and painful. Thank you so very much.
this helped me understand myself more in a few minutes than three years of doctors and counselors.
I have bipolar 2 and BPD, and it totally sucks. Also got anxiety and PTSD. All in all, it's wreaked havoc with my life. And corona virus is just making everything worse. Not being able to see my psychiatrist in person is really hard, and my tablet doesn't support the video conferencing platform he uses, so my appointments are on the phone now. I am just feeling totally overwhelmed right now, and I don't seem to be able to communicate what I'm feeling in a phone conversation.😢😢😢
I wish you were my therapist :( thank you for all that you do and all the information you share with us
I can say with confidence that I am overly medicated and that is the fault of my old psychiatrist who diagnosed with Bipolar II at age 15 and put me on *6* medications to experiment because my mood had stabilized, but I was showing mental instability.
I'm now 18 and seeing a new psychiatrist, he was able to diagnose me with BPD on top of my Bipolar II and I'm in the process of stopping 4 of the 6 medications, also waiting in line for therapy! 😁
There really isn't a whole lot of research done that I've found on Borderpolar and its a big issue but this has given me a much better grasp of having both disorders and answered a lot of questions that I had. Thank you for being such a help!❤
I'm HM and I've been diagnosed with anxiety, depression, adhd, bipolar 2, insomnia, borderline personality disorder, and PTSD. I developed a binge eating disorder in my early childhood that I still experience sometimes. I had repressed memories of ritual abuse surface and continue to trickle in for the last 5 years. I've been told by a therapist that they think I've been over diagnosed. I live with multiple fully developed personalities. I'm in-between therapists as I'm moving next month and the last one told me she thought I was a "trend follower" after telling her how I recognized and identified traits and behaviors of autism spectrum disorder from my earliest memories and throughout childhood up to things I still struggle with today. The word choice overall was shockingly disappointing for a professional with her credentials, and she told me that after 1 introductory appointment where she wouldn't even let me finish some of my sentences to jump in like she had me all figured out.
I'll seek another opinion when I move, but for now I'm just trying out different cognitive/behavioral treatments and capitalize on what best enables me to succeed while trying to not become too attached to a label. (And continuing to take my medications as prescribed by my doctor) Though it would be incredibly validating to have that diagnosis.
It's been a challenging road with a lot of trauma, therapy, and trial and error for treatments for literally over half of my life, but it is getting significantly better.
The progress is slow and doesn't always seem like much until I zoom out and think of my progress over the long term. Videos like this have helped me to better understand my internal/subjective reality compared to other people's perceptual realities and that has been very beneficial along my recovery. Thank you for sharing your knowledge! :)
Thank you Dr. You have helped me a great deal in coping & understanding my situation. Your videos are very detailed & presented in an excellent professional manner. Thank you so much for all you do. God Bless You.
You are very welcome.
I have Both and i felt less Alone listening to this...thank you
Excellent video as always!
Thank you for this video. I understand myself so much better.
Dr Marks, thank you for your videos. They’re extremely helpful!!!
You just so saved me. I am 59 years old and I have never been so alone in my life. My life blew up in 2010 and it has taken all I have just to survive.
I was diagnosed three years ago by a wonderful Psychiatrist and I thought we had found a cure for Borderline Personality Disorder and Adult ADHD. Put on venelafaxine and in time Ritalin. Difference of night and day.
But I still after three years of constant daily work and research and reading still wasn't right. I have no friends, I over react, I drive my Adult kids crazy needing reassurance.
I also have CPTSD from narcissistic abuse from a long term (26) year marriage with a diagnosed narcissistic sociopath (diagnosed I prison). I have luck right?
My Psychiatrist in our appointment last week believes I would benefit from trying lithium and he believes there is some bipolar in there.
I haven't started yet as I need blood work done first. I'm a bit afraid. You read all the horror stories but a chance to actually feel happy! I'll take it.
Then I found your video and you are the first Dr. That really made the perfect description of what I have been experiencing.
I felt like I fit bpd but parts of it didn't cover enough.
You have fit both thank you, thank you, thank you.
You have given me hope.
God bless
Thank you Dr. Marks. I had a feeling. I thought it had gone away but recently I’ve been feeling off again so I’ll talk to my doctor.
I have both of these illnesses and you really hit the nail of the head here
Thanks Zamiiz. I'm glad the video brought value. 😊
Thank you so much for making this video. I've been diagnosed with both and this video was very helpful
I have Bipolar Mood Disorder 2, BPD, Anxiety Disorder and Panic Disorder. I'm not sure if this is the worst combination yet but I can assure everyone that these 4, all happening at the same time, is as good as dying. Thanks for this video though. Watching this video doesn't remove the disorders but knowing that there's an explanation to what I'm going through somehow makes me feel good as it reduces the "self-loathing" a little bit. Thanks, Doc. You're as great and awesome as ever.
please do a video on narcissistic personality disorder , i really appreciate what you do and i thank you for your wholesomeness!
Thanks for your series of very helpful discussions on these topics.
Regards.
Hey I'm from Germany and this is the only video I have found that explains that people can have "Border-polar", so thank you for understanding and explaining 🙏🏽
Thanks 😊 Dr. Marks 👍 👌. You are an awesome speaker of topics in your arena.
You’re welcome and thank you 😊
Thank you for this video! I was recently diagnosed with borderline personality disorder and bipolar 2
Really helpful video to watch, so often I find videos that seem to argue you have one or the other, whereas my psychiatrists have all agreed I have both. After 11 years of ignoring the bpd and just throwing meds at me despite them not really doing anything I'm now having a mixture of group and 1 on 1 therapy along with waiting for specialist therapy. Just hoping I don't manage to wreck my relationship with my partner in the process
I have been told I was bipolar but the bipolar symptoms were much more frequent and rapid cycling then what it's supposed to be. I was then referred to Bipolar Personnality Disorder. The symptoms of BPD were a bit less correct but the frequency was much more on point. I never thought you could have both, i'll have to go see my therapist again
Love the metaphors hard wire vs storm...
You explain it so well for how it feel. But for myself at least I found it easier with out medication. This video is perfect to explain to family just how it is
I came across you by accident, I am so thankful I did.
Thank you so much for your effort and your videos, doctor. I never felt I fit the criteria for bipolar (my first diagnosis) nor schizoaffective. This makes much more sense.
That’s great Danny. I’m glad this was helpful for you.
@@DrTraceyMarks I got so excited to receive a message from you! Thank you for taking your time to reply 😁😁😁😁😁
I have bipolar type 1 with rapid cycling and BPD. Thank you so much for the validation
I'm watching this because my mom is both and it's like living in a hell to share the same house with her. The level of toxicity is tremendous. And she doesn't want to get any treatment. In her mind she's perfect. All of her relatives distanced themselves from her and she has no friends.
Thank you...I recently got a new psychiatrist due to moving from one end of Aus to the other and am finally being properly screened for bipolar. If I do have it, then I will need help from my partner as he notices the extremes sooner than I do. But at least I'll know where to go from this. While there's always room for improvement, I've learnt all the skills for controlling my BPD at least.
Thank you so much for your videos. They are so helpful!
I’ve been diagnosed with bipolar disorder, type 2. I recently started hearing voices.... and now that I think about it... I’ve always heard ‘voices’ idk if it’s borderline personality disorder, but it feels like I’m multiple people.
Great work doc....your doing a good thing 👌🏿
Thank you 😊
So informative and helpful.
I have a good friend who does suffer from some sort of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder...that is, in my opinion. I do wonder about his episodes of mania, which are accompanied by paranoia. I had a step sister who was bipolar, and my friend is not like her. I believe his mood swings are amplified by pain medications. He's a highly intelligent man, but that is offset by his manic episodes which are manifest largely by verbal lashing out. One particular feature is how quickly he jumps to assumptions of the worst intentions of others, even those he doesn't know. He has seen a lot of very bad things in his career the public would never encounter, so in a way I understand his perspective. But he often sounds very paranoid in how he quickly assumes the worst. I do worry about him. I love your very helpful, instructional presentations. Plus, you're a babe.
Thank you as always, doctor!! ❤
My pleasure!
this is the condition of this world at this time and age with all the cruelty that humans, and all the creatures must witness before they also must die and what courage to love as much as possible with a conscience to stay on the narrow path, goodness it's own reward and a deep hatred of the deceiver is necessary or love will end, BorderPolar is a nice way to describe our world today, you are very well spoken
I haven't been officially diagnosed with BPD or PTSD, but it was only my nursing staff during my latest (and final, if I can help it) complete psychotic break, who helped me see that I had some DEEP trauma issues. One amazing nurse told me what I had always known "You don't need anti-psychotics" instead suggesting rest. Another suggested sleeping meds to help with nightmares/anxiety (which were rampant during my stay) and tentatively said I might have PTSD, not knowing I had been obsessively studying C-PTSD and trying to figure out if my parents' narcissism had me "fucked up." Well, what do you know?
For most of my life, whether or not I have acted out or not, I have been possessed of POWERFUL urges to self-injure. I've never been addicted to drugs or alcohol, but I sometimes throw myself into my hobbies at the exclusion of almost everything else when I'm stressed. I'm a bit "obsessive."
Most people focus on "splitting" when unaware BPD sufferers see loved ones as either "all good" or "all bad" but for me, it's the crippling fear of rejection/judgment that has really become elevated beyond my control. Living under CONSTANT abuse and pressure to excel made me excellent at "not dropping the ball" and the fear/hatred of humiliation makes me EXTRA good at keeping up appearances but also EXTRA attuned to when people say shit about my vulnerabilities or people WITH my vulnerabilities and for many years I privately decided to not say anything but just never have that person as a close friend.
Imagine what it's like to be "straight passing" or "white-passing" and enjoy the privilege" of being able to hear people shit-talk your labels right in front of your face because they don't realize you're everything they're dissing. Now, imagine being able to "perform stability" so well that your performance passes every single time, so much so that family members REALLY "think" that you're "normal" in spite of consistent hospitalizations and need of care.
I think my BPD, ironically, got so much worst after realizing that my boyfriend really did love me, not just the false front I presented to the world. Suddenly, I became allergic to bullshit directed at me. I find it impossible to tolerate people, including "close" family members, who claimed to have my best interest in mind, but would vouch for other people in their circle, OVER ME, supposedly "sane"" people who had no excuse to behave childishly, but did, time and time again. It became less and less about not being valued, and more and more a growing horrific violation in the form of being of extremely low priority.
Funnily, though, now that I start valuing myself, accusations of "crazy" are flying around more. For the first time, I was dropped by a therapist for having "difficult to treat" issues. But at the same time, my psychiatrist-- a PSYCHIATRIC ASSISTANT-- who probably isn't older than me, is the only psychiatrist/psychologist I have EVER worked with that EVER seemed to give a fuck about me, and so therefore treatment will go better, because I actually feel like I fully trust him. It was similar to my experience with a therapist I had in 2013, who was so much more helpful to me not becauase of mere "expertise" but because it was so easy to be vulnerable to her, to take off the mask and RECEIVE treatment.
Knowing that, in my case, it isn't my ability to GIVE love that is broken-- I've spent a lifetime giving too much-- but it is my ability to RECEIVE. It's been the hardest thing to deal with since being with my boyfriend, not the fact that he doesn't love me-- because I know he does, splitting or not-- but the fact that now that I know I am TERRIFIED he won't love me anymore. He's so patient and kind, and sometimes I am emotionally distant, or behave like a rage-mongering drama queen just to see if there's anything I can say that's awful enough to make him hate me. I secretly WANT him to hate me, even though I fear it because I hate myself so much I think I deserve his rejection. It's terrifying because due to my deep obsession with psychology, I have the ability to see from the outside that this behavior is insane and destructive, and he hurts because I hurt, that this kind of love is really all I wanted from my parents, FROM ANYONE, and that now that I have it, because I've lived in a state of low self-worth for so long, I don't even know what to do with it. Sometimes I sob and sob and sob uncontrollably because I am so terrified of hurting him like I've been hurt, re-traumatizing him (he's an abuse victim, too). Even though it pays our bills, sometimes I can't concentrate on work because it doesn't matter, NOTHING MATTERS because it feels like my entire life has been a lie. I feel like everything I've ever done has been "acting", and I'm afraid that my love for him is "acting" that I'm a complete IMPOSTER, not just in my academic/work life, but not an EMOTIONAL IMPOSTER pantomiming love.
It's terrifying, and it scares my boyfriend because in the past few months I've been casually talking about death like it's just changing clothes. I WANT TO DIE ALL THE TIME even though I'm not "actively" suicidal.
Ironically-- and he was again, the one who found this-- the medicine that's helped hasn't been any psych drug (besides lithium and emergency short-term anxiety pills) with at least the casual suicidality and crippling anxiety has been birth-control (NORO). I'm almost 30, and when I was 29, my boyfriend and I discovered that my "rapid cycling" was only present during certain times in my menstrual cycle and that many of my symptoms were consistent with PMDD. During each of my two hospitalizations in the course of the last year or so (one voluntary, one involuntary) my birth control (that I only needed after possible complications from Invega) was disrupted because the hospitals didn't see it as necessary for my successful treatment now that I'm at this stage of life as a woman.
I know that these "striking" revelations aren't anywhere close to appropriate for a CZcams comment, nobody cares, blah blah blah, but one habit I have realized that made me realize that on some level I value myself, is leaving "bread crumbs." Due to my increasingly severe disassociation/depersonalization, as crazy as it sounds I really do '"forget" who I am or what I've been through and sometimes life feels very unreal, like a simulation. I'm so used to putting on false selves like they're costumes, that even though I know she's there, she can be very difficult to find. One thing I realized is that my obsession since my teens with making playlists on Pandora, Spotify, etc., and labeling them with themes or emotions, is because listening to that music helps bring me into a state of calm and also helps give me a "timeline' for my life, reminding me that I didn't start out feeling or acting like this, and I won't end up feeling or acting like this and that people who love me do see this behavior as illness while STILL holding me accountable for my behavior and not trying to coddle/dehumanize/invalidate me. Labeling unsafe family members with negative song lyrics or insulting names means that I can always remind myself to disregard everything they say without having to resort to hyperbolically hostile behavior (which serves their purpose, never mind, because labeling me "crazy" and either inducing or encouraging unnecessary hospitalizations is their forte)
Being friends with peers and colleagues who think like me (CREATIVES) makes me realize that it is okay to have revenge fantasies, as long as you turn them into art instead of acting on them.
It's also very difficult to realize that due to their skewed view on my medical condition, I essentially can't trust any older relatives-- even though I love and respect at least one of them-- to have any involvement in my life beyond the superficial, because they have already decided to side with my parents over me. My dad is dead, and I made peace with who he was, even though he made my life very difficult because he showed remorse, fake or not. It was an attempt. My mother is still alive, and because she is seen as "innocent'" at all times, her existence poses an IMMENSE threat to me and my future with my boyfriend. While never as openly abusive as my dad, her constant gaslighting, belittling and the invasive, possessive, infantilizing nature of her abuse of me as an adult, including but not limited her ability to draw negativity out of me until I'm "the crazy one" and also the fact that at NO POINT has she EVER showed any kind of remorse to me or any of her daughters. She is all the things I feared I was, a dark mirror, the reason for my fucked up view on feminity. Not only can I not forgive her, but I have to admit that now after being forced to pay for her negligence and being made to promise not to "hurt" her because she's "fragile" as I sit here covered in emotional burns, I literally can't allow her in my house or trust anyone who trusts her over me and without evidence. All those people have become "unsafe" and it may seem cruel but it's for my protection and my family's/future family's protection.
That was such an amazing and description; and much appreciated. I sincerely hope you're doing well now.
Thank you so much. I have more clarity now