I Have to Beat Mega Man & Bass!

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  • čas přidán 1. 02. 2024
  • It's time for the 8 and a half'th game in the series! And it's the first game in the classic series where you can play as a different character. That's pretty based!
    As always, a HUGE thanks to my mega chads for their support of the channel. Without you, this video would not have been possible. Consider joining and becoming a mega chad today! / @powerguygg
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Komentáře • 463

  • @Hisydum
    @Hisydum Před 4 měsíci +346

    Protoman acts a lot like Zero in this game, being torn in half and sacrificing himself.

    • @EEVEE_fan16
      @EEVEE_fan16 Před 4 měsíci +61

      And coming back from death

    • @angelotorres1
      @angelotorres1 Před 4 měsíci +57

      maybe he hid himself to repair himself

    • @mylam658
      @mylam658 Před 4 měsíci +36

      @@angelotorres1 knowing he hates being near Dr. Light, he probably did!

    • @PeasyShipper69
      @PeasyShipper69 Před 4 měsíci +20

      but UNLIKE Zero, he doesn't have his own game series
      he's just playable in certain Mega Man games

    • @PowerGuygg
      @PowerGuygg  Před 4 měsíci +46

      Mega Man Proto is gonna be the next spin-off series

  • @rafaelnegrete1376
    @rafaelnegrete1376 Před 4 měsíci +221

    “Please, your omnipotence, Have Mercy!”
    “After you scrubbed all the floors in Monsteropolis, then we can talk about Mercy, take im’ away!”

    • @emishimaru-sama6449
      @emishimaru-sama6449 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Damn I was spoiled xD
      (Video uploaded an hour ago, but this comment posted 4 hours ago.... oooo o .o)

    • @morphiuszx3438
      @morphiuszx3438 Před 4 měsíci +6

      Yes, My Leige!

  • @thecrownedninja3121
    @thecrownedninja3121 Před 4 měsíci +84

    12:35 "That F%$#ing FIST ATTACK"
    -SomecallmeJohnny

    • @alexfischer7876
      @alexfischer7876 Před 4 měsíci +20

      _"Bullshit parts just become a whole lot... _*_bullshittier."_*
      --- *SomecallmeJohnny* about GBA version ---

    • @Evilriku13
      @Evilriku13 Před 4 měsíci +4

      @@alexfischer7876 tho it has the better sounding OST of the two and for that I respect the GBA version!

  • @bloodood406
    @bloodood406 Před 4 měsíci +143

    7:49
    "Mega Man! Mega Man! Come in!
    There's these *BIG YELLOW BEAMS* that kill you if you-"
    "ShutyorMAWTH! I don't _need_ you!"

    • @gadlites8841
      @gadlites8841 Před 4 měsíci +16

      Nice to know I wasn't the only one who recognized the Egoraptor Sequelitis reference

    • @mylam658
      @mylam658 Před 4 měsíci +5

      @@gadlites8841 I recognized it right away

    • @PowerGuygg
      @PowerGuygg  Před 4 měsíci +17

      Egoraptor is a national treasure 😂

    • @djoshawott2850
      @djoshawott2850 Před 3 měsíci +1

      I have no respect for the guy, honestly... Game Grumps and I feel like his OoT LTTP video cemented that for me.

  • @basedseraph4965
    @basedseraph4965 Před 4 měsíci +126

    Fun Fact: The only reason this game was made was to prove the SNES (Super Famicom) can make a game like Megaman 8 on that system. Seriously the developers actually said "Megaman 8 should have been on SNES and we will prove it".

    • @LavaCreeperPeople
      @LavaCreeperPeople Před 4 měsíci +7

      yeah
      i wish it was executed better, though

    • @basedseraph4965
      @basedseraph4965 Před 4 měsíci +15

      @@LavaCreeperPeople Yes, I wish they didn't reuse the sound effects from Megaman 7, and introduced new sounds effects. I also think they should have made two new Robot masters instead of reusing Astro man and Tengu man. And, lastly toning down a little on the difficulty. Megaman and Bass felt like it was a Kiazo hack of a Megaman game.

    • @panthekirb7561
      @panthekirb7561 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@basedseraph4965 Its a shame because imo it needed minimal tweaking to be a top tier mega man game. Less tweaking than MM8 needs thats for sure.
      Though MMB is far from kaizo. I actually think its easier than MM9.

    • @basedseraph4965
      @basedseraph4965 Před 4 měsíci +7

      @@panthekirb7561 That's because you are very good at Megaman games. A casual player coming from games like Megaman 2 and 3 are going to struggle with MMB. There was so many difficult jumps and unfair enemy placement in Megaman and Bass. I do agree that Megaman 9 was no walk in the park either.

    • @josephwj7199
      @josephwj7199 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@panthekirb7561 Agreed that overall MM&B is not as hard as everyone's making it out to be. I had a harder time with 9 and 10, for example. It has to be played differently than a traditional classic MM game; especially if playing as Mega Man.

  • @morphiuszx3438
    @morphiuszx3438 Před 4 měsíci +75

    TO BE LOOSELY CONTINUED IN -- ROCKMAN & FORTE 2: Challenger from the Future
    -- a Wonderswan exclusive!

    • @uraccountcrashed8845
      @uraccountcrashed8845 Před 4 měsíci

      Yeah, right

    • @PeasyShipper69
      @PeasyShipper69 Před 4 měsíci

      hope it's Mega Man 9, but no spoilers

    • @morphiuszx3438
      @morphiuszx3438 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@PeasyShipper69 If it ain't Rockman & Forte 2, before Rockman 9, my Canon OCD will be upset & .................. you could say 1up Heads will **ROLL**.
      MWOHOHOHOHO.

    • @ItsWolf0
      @ItsWolf0 Před 2 měsíci

      Rockman cross Forte: Mirai Kara no chonsensha or something

  • @luk3rei
    @luk3rei Před 4 měsíci +35

    "Proto Man!"
    "Useless Guy!"
    why do i find this so funny

  • @jetpackdog3427
    @jetpackdog3427 Před 4 měsíci +47

    Mega Man & Bass Pro Shops

  • @leonardman2739
    @leonardman2739 Před 4 měsíci +13

    I've got to say this: The way you wrote your version of MM&B's story is unironically great! You took those memes and used them in such a genius way!
    ...This piece is what all true warriors strive for.

  • @_V.Va_
    @_V.Va_ Před 4 měsíci +31

    0:41 Inafune didn't know the difference between "hardcore" and "bad game design."

    • @Evilriku13
      @Evilriku13 Před 4 měsíci +8

      his idea of gamedesign back then was trial and error till you make it, like he was pro trial and error in cases like that and it shows sadly.

  • @shonenbois
    @shonenbois Před 4 měsíci +33

    6:38 This segment was really good. Stand proud Powerguy this was sick🔥Also Burner man’s design is really cool

    • @JennaTols
      @JennaTols Před 4 měsíci +1

      What song is that? It sounds super familiar

    • @adamdimitri2562
      @adamdimitri2562 Před 4 měsíci

      @@JennaTols Dark Fantasy by Kanye

  • @BloxGamerBoi
    @BloxGamerBoi Před 4 měsíci +46

    Ground Man saw Guts Man and was like "I can do that."
    Guts Man: "Are you as thicc as me though?"
    Ground Man "No."
    Guts Man: "DUH DUUUH"

  • @Just_a_random_who_likes_stuff
    @Just_a_random_who_likes_stuff Před 4 měsíci +40

    Ah yes, Megaman and Bass, also know as Rockman & Forte in Japan.
    Oh and fun fact: Forte is the portuguese for Strong.

  • @BonneterPenguinRedStinger
    @BonneterPenguinRedStinger Před 4 měsíci +29

    Seems like King isn't all that bad, he learns quite quickly for being a royal robot.
    And Bass continues his search for his CDs

    • @ultimapower6950
      @ultimapower6950 Před 4 měsíci +3

      A search that will continue until the end of time, because in actuality He Doesn’t Own Any, but Bass is in denial

  • @Guy_w1234
    @Guy_w1234 Před 4 měsíci +16

    I think it's funny how when the king said: "all warriors strike for is-" when a ad came for a caramel chocolate

  • @redmage076
    @redmage076 Před 4 měsíci +19

    Platform segments are easier with Bass, but Megaman's M-buster melts bosses

  • @SuperLlama42
    @SuperLlama42 Před 4 měsíci +28

    Mega Man and Bass feels like X6 but deliberate. It PURPOSEFULLY hates you, while X6 just kinda accidentally hates you because it's such a rush job.

    • @MissAshley42
      @MissAshley42 Před 4 měsíci +7

      Inafune was like "You only get one game a year? Then I'll give you a game that takes a whole year to beat!"

  • @thegoblin4948
    @thegoblin4948 Před 4 měsíci +13

    Bass calling Protoman "Useless Guy" is as true as it is in character

  • @_V.Va_
    @_V.Va_ Před 4 měsíci +15

    2:09 Guts Man ass memes in 2024, you love to see it!

  • @SOJITZL
    @SOJITZL Před 4 měsíci +49

    See you guys in the next Legend of Zelda video!

    • @DanTheLoler_17
      @DanTheLoler_17 Před 4 měsíci +8

      I knew there was something wrong with this video, it's not about Mario!

    • @PowerGuygg
      @PowerGuygg  Před 4 měsíci +11

      Great! I'll grab my stuff! 🧝‍♂

    • @Aura_X_000
      @Aura_X_000 Před 4 měsíci +1

      ​@@PowerGuyggthere is no time!, your controller is enough!

  • @archmagetyler
    @archmagetyler Před 4 měsíci +6

    bass simultaneously has a weirdly large amount of chill and also none at all.

  • @gothnerd887
    @gothnerd887 Před 4 měsíci +4

    19:51 for some reason that reminds me of this:
    Roll: *shouting up the stairs* Mega Man! Wily's back!
    Rock: *shouting back* Oh, come on! I just got in the shower!

  • @Hugelag
    @Hugelag Před 4 měsíci +7

    3:38
    It's funny how he can play through difficult games and keep (some of) his composure, but slowly being denied the ability to choose what order he can play completely breaks him and gives him sentience.

  • @nathanblevins158
    @nathanblevins158 Před 4 měsíci +12

    Megaman: protoman! Are you ok!?
    PM: my body is cut in half! Why didn’t you save me!?!?!
    MM: I thought you were going. To dough it.
    PM: nooo!

  • @CeruleanHee-ho
    @CeruleanHee-ho Před 4 měsíci +9

    I've been hyped for this since Mega Man & Bass is one of my favorite Mega Man games. It's also very nostalgic for me.

  • @alexfischer7876
    @alexfischer7876 Před 4 měsíci +4

    OOAH! I forgot to say something...
    Those were _incredibly close_ impressions of King "MAH BOI" Harkinian. *_This dedication to craft is what all CZcams content creators strive for!_*

  • @BuckBumbleisCool
    @BuckBumbleisCool Před 4 měsíci +8

    This probably has to be the funniest CZcamsrs I’ve watched in a while!

  • @octavioromero7893
    @octavioromero7893 Před 4 měsíci +7

    Maverick Hunters: ❌
    Thug Hunters: ✔

  • @c-lion6494
    @c-lion6494 Před 4 měsíci +7

    The JJK reference had me on the floor 😂😭 Goated vid as always, can’t wait for the next one!

  • @Rokku-D
    @Rokku-D Před 4 měsíci +11

    Burner Man? More like Propane Man of Propane Accessories, I'll tell you whut. 🔥
    Poor Proto Man, His inclusion was half-assed at best. 🥁
    Man, Capcom must LOVES introducing cool characters and NOT doing anything with them afterwards. A Common trend. 😭
    This was worth the wait, PG. I'm so hyped for "I Have to Beat Mega Man 9!!!!!!!!!" At some point. 🥰

  • @Nagatem
    @Nagatem Před 4 měsíci +3

    No joke the kingly laugh part 2 mins in had me almost choke/spit up a cookie

  • @RockManSSB
    @RockManSSB Před 4 měsíci +13

    MegaMan & Bass is one of my favorite games in the series. Been looking forward to this episode since I first found your channel and its finally here aaaaaaaa!!

  • @ClashOfClansSkeleton
    @ClashOfClansSkeleton Před 4 měsíci +8

    Dynamo man is even harder than airman… and that’s saying something.

  • @dudeinaboxeatingsometomato2323
    @dudeinaboxeatingsometomato2323 Před 4 měsíci +8

    You know who else does a better job at being a challenging Mega Man game? Mega Man RocknRoll, and also MY MOM!!!!

  • @kolkagaming1234
    @kolkagaming1234 Před 4 měsíci +4

    3:03 Lol he was Cut-out! No wonder why he’s playable in MM9 & MM10.

  • @ssvitosoto
    @ssvitosoto Před 4 měsíci +4

    Love how bass was ready to unload the clip on wily for still missing half of his CD collection

  • @oneinkyboi
    @oneinkyboi Před 4 měsíci +6

    Here for the premier! Just discovered your channel a month ago and finished your Mega Man series in one night.
    So excited for this episode!

  • @thecrownedninja3121
    @thecrownedninja3121 Před 4 měsíci +4

    playing as bass was my favorite. it's also why I like playing this one so much.

  • @AnimalClans
    @AnimalClans Před 4 měsíci +5

    2:56
    "This was a particularly bad case of somebody being cut in half!"

  • @MechanicalRabbits
    @MechanicalRabbits Před 4 měsíci +1

    I laughed a lot through this video! Your channel was fun from the beginning but it's really cool to see how much you've improved at making videos in just a year.

  • @derpyderpchog3951
    @derpyderpchog3951 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Worth the wait! Definitely outdone yourself with this one. Especially with the Guts Man and Proto Man jokes.

  • @featherlight2652
    @featherlight2652 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I live for these videos, they’re so funny. I crack up with what you do with the characters. They’re out of character and yet in character at the same time, everything is just 👌🏼 perfect

  • @miahthorpatrick1013
    @miahthorpatrick1013 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Power Guy, you’ve done it again! I know these proper episodes are time consuming to make but they are so entertaining, funny yet comforting like a warm blanket during a snow storm. Keep it up and I’ll be watching!!

  • @DKCfan10
    @DKCfan10 Před 4 měsíci

    This was amazing. It’s right up there with your trilogy of Mega Man World videos in terms of how funny it was. Can’t wait to see the next one.

  • @brandonwilliams6119
    @brandonwilliams6119 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Love the hard work and effort that went into this video, the voice acting, memes and appreciation for this underrated gem of game. I ranked Megaman and Bass as one of my Top 25 games of all time, at first I considered X3 and X4 but those games don’t give that much of a challenge and don’t have collectible CDs so I ultimately decided on Rockman & Forte.

  • @DarksTunes
    @DarksTunes Před 4 měsíci +2

    Great vid PG! Love your sense of humor and dedication to the editing. Makes everything ten times more entertaining!

  • @DanTheLoler_17
    @DanTheLoler_17 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Can't wait ten more years for a Mega Man 9 video!
    Ok but seriously amazing work, you really outdid yourself with this one. my favorite parts were when Proto Man really thought he was a main character haha
    I really do hope we se gigachad King in another game.

  • @calebpavey6315
    @calebpavey6315 Před 4 měsíci +5

    I ❤ COLD MAN
    if y'all don't sleep with a cardboard cut out of cold man your not real
    same goes for napalm man

  • @Feesh322
    @Feesh322 Před 4 měsíci

    You keep upping your efforts...thanks for this glimpse of the classic Mega Man that I never played!

  • @MetalSlime19
    @MetalSlime19 Před 4 měsíci +3

    It's Mega Man & Bass featuring Dante from Devil May Cry & Knuckles!

  • @darkhorse744
    @darkhorse744 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Absolutely hilarious video.
    Loved it from beginning to end.

  • @mariahs6
    @mariahs6 Před 4 měsíci +3

    I laughed so hard at the King segments, such a great bit!
    I think I’ll give this game a shot sometime, I was put off by knowing about the screen crunch on the GBA Version but now knowing there’s a fan translation is such a godsend!

    • @PowerGuygg
      @PowerGuygg  Před 4 měsíci +1

      yeah! definitely check out the snes version when you have a chance!

  • @planettyro
    @planettyro Před 3 měsíci

    Can't believe i missed this - good job, keep em coming!

  • @maverickhunterx1397
    @maverickhunterx1397 Před 4 měsíci +6

    Carl from Aqua Teen Hunger Force 😂

  • @SefariusLP
    @SefariusLP Před 4 měsíci

    Another quality video, like always. Just as I expected. Congratulations 😊

  • @shoken4421
    @shoken4421 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Hearing bass say shake that sh## made me spit out my cola lol

  • @MegaMet98
    @MegaMet98 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Ngl, the meme chosen for the video is so nice!

  • @clebinhoisler
    @clebinhoisler Před 4 měsíci +1

    Loved!!!
    Great video again!!!
    Tks

  • @Dcl92308
    @Dcl92308 Před 4 měsíci +1

    THIS IS AMAZING :DD 🌟🔥🔥

  • @samirhacheeks3423
    @samirhacheeks3423 Před 4 měsíci

    I'm so glad I discovered this guy's content. He's growing so quickly and I hope he keeps it up. These videos are hilarious🎉

  • @victini7777
    @victini7777 Před 4 měsíci

    Amazing episode as always, Power Guy! The One Piece part had me laughing and repeated it like 3 times, same for every Guts Man reference.

  • @davidgusquiloor2665
    @davidgusquiloor2665 Před 4 měsíci +1

    16:14 This is weirdly touching for a meme reference. Good job.
    I'm glad you didn't skip this one. I know most people find Bass easier but i have had an easier time as Mega Man.
    And King recruiting and building his own followers in canon is pretty cool, shame we never see him again.

  • @WhiteFangofWar
    @WhiteFangofWar Před 4 měsíci +3

    Mega Man 8 for super players... if you don't choose Bass. Some compare it to Mega Man X6 but aside from the checkpointing in the King stages I found it much better-balanced. I like how the CD collection includes Game Boy-only characters like Enker and Sunstar.

  • @Gabriel.570
    @Gabriel.570 Před 4 měsíci +3

    8:23 That was kinda BASSed

  • @Jellybeeen
    @Jellybeeen Před 4 měsíci

    This was always one of my big titles I never got to. Thank you for showing us Da Wey

  • @emishimaru-sama6449
    @emishimaru-sama6449 Před 4 měsíci +2

    *Power Guy uploads an "I have to beat-" video.*
    LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!1 >:O

  • @katakalamari
    @katakalamari Před 4 měsíci +4

    Love the fact you're putting a lot of effort into these videos, especially with the sprite animations for the intro stage. Looking forward to more of this dude.

  • @mylam658
    @mylam658 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Those CD descriptions are something else

  • @TheWungus
    @TheWungus Před 4 měsíci +3

    After so long I’m happy to say that this was definitely worth the wait! Great video as always pg!
    *Now when’s “I have to beat Mega Man and Bass 2”?*

  • @vanlighting5867
    @vanlighting5867 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I was waiting for a gutsman joke for days and days😂

  • @ssvitosoto
    @ssvitosoto Před 4 měsíci +1

    2:17 the guts shaker. Power guy invented a dance that everyone on Instagram needs to make viral now.😮

  • @asteroidrules
    @asteroidrules Před 2 měsíci

    I kinda love how Burner Man is just a bunch of propane tanks. Hank merely adopted the propane and propane accessories, he was born in it, molded by it.

  • @diegordi1394
    @diegordi1394 Před 4 měsíci +2

    5:38 The only right option for funny scream moment.

  • @musicaldude9429
    @musicaldude9429 Před 4 měsíci +2

    This comes out during my work break today

  • @chaos12489
    @chaos12489 Před 4 měsíci +3

    I wonder if he will rage about on how DAMN HARD this game is

  • @rollwulf
    @rollwulf Před 4 měsíci

    What a delight! Thanks for this new review, each one of these sets a new level of funny robo butt jokes, which I admire lmao.
    I still remember this game exactly as you do, completely unfair to MegaMan. This game should've been just called Bass & Bass, because I bet that's everyone's FIRST pick after all.

  • @GraveUypo
    @GraveUypo Před 3 měsíci

    love your style of video. subbed

  • @thecountercounter9127
    @thecountercounter9127 Před 3 měsíci

    First video of yours ive seen, and let me tell you, the Guts Shaker was the last thing i was expecting to enter my life today

  • @alexfischer7876
    @alexfischer7876 Před 4 měsíci +3

    _Hope you've prepared for the challenges ahead._
    I still remember _Somecallmejohnny_ struggling with GBA version of this game for *Platformania* back in 2017. Hopefully you won't repeat his mistakes.

  • @Str4ng3musik
    @Str4ng3musik Před 4 měsíci +1

    Bro your content is the best ❤

  • @havanowoncheese
    @havanowoncheese Před 2 měsíci +1

    I really hope you keep doing these through the X series. Your version of Mega Man is canon. Never forget Gigachad Ballad.

  • @StafkiGTN
    @StafkiGTN Před 4 měsíci +1

    Wow, this premiered the moment school was over for me. Nice!

  • @Ins1diousTim
    @Ins1diousTim Před 4 měsíci +2

    'Sorry I missed the premiere, but I thoroughly enjoyed this video! funniest thing I've ever seen.

  • @Stickpictures27
    @Stickpictures27 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Im really hyped for this video

  • @reubentherblazer9756
    @reubentherblazer9756 Před 22 dny

    That 8 bit remix of "can we get much higher?" Is actually really good!

  • @Swordkirby9999
    @Swordkirby9999 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Welp... The memes are still dank. Good work!

  • @OtakuNoShitpost
    @OtakuNoShitpost Před 4 měsíci +2

    I wish your "Eight and a half men" poster had been eight and a half mega men

  • @Moominfini
    @Moominfini Před 4 měsíci

    You have the patience of a monk for beating this game fair and square. I had no idea King had a change of heart at the end since I never had the patience to beat it.

  • @mcdowlaz7050
    @mcdowlaz7050 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I commend the devs for making this game torture without pulling a MegaMan 1

  • @afonsoxpgamer3362
    @afonsoxpgamer3362 Před 4 měsíci +1

    FINALLY A NEW MEGAMAN VIDEO, another powerguy W

  • @ultimapower6950
    @ultimapower6950 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Did you know that Forte owns Exactly ZERO CD’s

  • @eyebrowsup3958
    @eyebrowsup3958 Před 4 měsíci

    So excited about this thanks p g

  • @mastershogy1003
    @mastershogy1003 Před 4 měsíci +2

    This is gonna be EPIC

  • @TheLaysOriginal
    @TheLaysOriginal Před 4 měsíci +1

    Legs goo he did my favorite classic series game justice

  • @synthieplays4345
    @synthieplays4345 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Fun fact. You're the only youtuber I've *actually* clicked the fucking notification bell for! Fun fact. CZcams didn't fucking notify me when this was uploaded. GG CZcams, GG. That being said, great video! Yeah, I think I'll be skipping this one, I can kinda see why it wasn't released in the US xD

  • @Brock122
    @Brock122 Před 4 měsíci +3

    I can't wait

  • @Pizzano_sugaryspire
    @Pizzano_sugaryspire Před 4 měsíci

    i like how you bring back old memes

  • @lylelylecrocodile2538
    @lylelylecrocodile2538 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Great video! Definitely worth the wait!

  • @freezyischill
    @freezyischill Před 4 měsíci

    Power guy.
    I have seen your channel grow larger and larger by the day.
    Ive been with you ever since you only had a mere 1k or maybe even 500 Subscribers.
    You were the first youtuber to ever reply to a question i had asked in a livestream.
    That question was if you would play FNaF. Seeing your videos makes the darkest light in my soul turn as bright as the sun. Continue uploading.

  • @nalicompleteworks
    @nalicompleteworks Před 4 měsíci +2

    The secret best classic game until 11 came out. R&F's a real kick in the teeth up front, but it gives you every tool you need to crack it open like a walnut. Unless you just _wanna_ get kicked in the teeth and then you can ignore all of it and go buster duel bosses with no gear. Options!