Not defending this practice but he doesn't want to get fired. EA probably were watching him like a hawk to see if he was going to throw them under the bus
Definition of gambling. 'Take risky action in the hope of a desired result'. Loot boxes where you can spend real currency ARE gambling and need to be removed from games, especially those played by children.
You'd be surprised...On r/xboxone there was a dude who was happy he was able to buy the loot boxes in the EA Access trial... Needless to say I was shaking my head
Hazardous the dev told joe that the better players will be quicker at ending the game and playing objectives. So according to the dev the quicker the game ends the more games you can put in and get more credits. This isnt true because the longer you are in a game the more credits you get. Jackfrags tested it out. He beasted a game and got 200 credits. Next game he sat around and died a shit ton of times and got 300 credits because the game was longer
Roman Kopp you fuckin guys were against season passes so micro transaction is the only thing to do there. Also are we forgetting there are games that cost money, have dlc, micro transactions AND monthly fees like WoW?! Why is everyone targeting EA for battlefront 2 jfc
Burak Crystal Im against crappy DLC if you get a seasonpass tell us what we get with the pass. Yeah i want to know what i get for my money with DLC. Thats the problem also keep out progression out of the DLC and no endings as DLC or competitive extra's for the payers. I never had a problem paying for DLC just make it worth the money. Witcher 3, Horizon, Monster Hunter World is how to go at it. 😉 But these companies go for maximum with minimum effort. 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑 Thats what these companies go for i dont want to gamble for DLC the same goes for Overwatch yes i would pay a reasonable amount of cash for cosmetic skins.
Yeah. It makes some sense, but if he told Joe the real reason I'm sure EA would have crucified him. No matter what the ea guy says someone is going to kill him.
Problica true. Actual progression systems keep people around as they have to play more to get credits to buy the thing that they want. Lootboxes just give you randomized shit
Michael T if you’ve ever played Halo Reach you know about the immense progression and customization. Halo these days is a bunch of loot boxes too as well as way less customization. Go back to the old systems everybody!!!
I don't think that's it, I just think he hasn't gotten indoor heating from the loot boxes he's already purchased. But maybe the next one? Who knows? He'll just have to buy one and hope for the best.
Everyone bitches about microtransactions, yet these companies make billions from them every year. People can bitch and moan about them all day, but until we stop buying them they're not going anywhere.
Yup 100%. He even tries to pretend like loot crates are not 100% about making money. "Oh we try to encourage players to use other classes by giving them cards for something they might not otherwise play." Do you think we're fucking stupid? The point of random drops in loot crates is to try to coax us into buying them so we can unlock more shit. Asshole
Jacob Rindfleisch this is why I'll stick with overwatch and Destiny 2 realy the loot you get in the boxes and bright Ingrams don't change nothing but look at me look at me I'm awsome!
The only game that I am okay with that has something similar to "loot boxes" is Warframe, but it's free to play so you get to choose whether you want to support the devs or not. That's the only time I'm okay with something like this.
Fuck man, can't we just unlock guns and equipment like bf3? I don't need fucking lootboxes to bring me back to m&b warband, it's just actually fun. Weird concept in mainstream gaming when a game is just fun, right?
AngryChimp ahh but who cares if you can rack in a couple hundred Million while the boat is sinking. The game industry is all about the "right now" profit with total disregard of the future.
Insanely profitable according to who? And have they released the info from a credible source? Also what is profitable? If every gamer puts in another $5, is that considered enough to be profitable?
Props to this guy for trying his best to defend his shitty company's tactics. Everyone knows these business practices are pure evil and prey on people prone to addiction. I refuse to buy any game with a pay to win model. You should too!
+ Chris D part of me feels bad for who companies throw out there to try spin the BS. I mean these people are put into bad spots because there are no excuses for it but unless they want to be fired they have to try but still the shit eating grin on this dude's face for pretty much the whole video tells me gamers are going to get fucked one way or another with this game.
"we want people to play other game modes" *goes plays fighter game mode* *dies by someone with 200% dmg and shield perk* "wow what a friendly and encouraging experience."
I don't know why in the hell anyone would want to play this game. The more you pay the better competitive edge you have? This is WHY I DON'T PLAY GAMES ON MY FUCKING PHONE.
Dimitri Petrenko "Competitive" gamers that think that if they DON'T buy the loot crates, they will "fall behind" the "competition." The "competition" are the Saudi Princes and their kids who are so fucking rich, they use money as toilet paper, and couldn't care less how much money they spend on loot crates.
Loot boxes in free to play games are rather amazing. Like League of Legends, it's just skins ("I want to support this game, here's a few bucks for a Disneylookalike-skin"). In a paid title, I will never be ok with it.
JapanskNinja I agree, I dont find nothing wrong with loot boxes in free-to-play games cause the company has to make money somehow and you dont feel cheated, like my favourite game Warframe. Overwatch (a paid game) also have loot boxes but its just cosmetics and again you don't feel cheated.
JapanskNinja Agree 100%. And if the F2P tries some sleezy tactic or makes the game an unbearable grind fest in order to coax people into paying for useless trash, guess what? I just stop playing. No harm no foul. I didn't pay a dime to get in. If your game is good however, and progression is satisfying? Sure. I'll kick you a few bucks for some worthy cosmetics or something of the sort. It's funny how it works out because in a F2P, they have to EARN these MT's. They have to get people hooked on their game. Which means they need to make a fun game. A satisfying game. In full retail games? They don't have to earn shit. People feel like they HAVE to enjoy the game because they paid for it. Which they can't, because the progression system is an absolute SHLOG. A tedious fucking chore. So they run to the marketplace and drop 50 bucks just to try to make it bearable. F2P model for the mafuckin win.
Saint Parallax I know, genius. And as a game dev at EA I can tell you he is wrong. Dead wrong. We're all gamers and have great passion about the games we make. The decisions and features you guys don't like are not decisions or features implemented by us - they're implemented by executives and those in upper management.
If you are actually a dev, fucking do something! Every new mainstream game has loot boxes now, and when will it stop? When did content become something to dodge? Gamers complain about DLC completing and ruining games, "oh we have free DLC, just pay to win instead!", why does any of this exist at all? Because devs allow it to happen. Is it hard to ask for a full game without pay to win? Apparently yes! League of Legends is completely free to play and is the biggest game of this decade. Clearly Overwatch does well with that system even if I payed them for it, what is so wrong with making THAT the norm?
why not? the president does. and he is considered a "professional" by some(not me, always thought he was a giant douche). I agree with you, but realistically, assholes get ahead in this world. it isn't right, but it is reality.
If you're reading this Paul Keslin, DICE, EA whoever, you're not dumb. We're not dumb. Don't play dumb. You continuously try and justify your utter shite by labeling it a feature. There are infinite ways to implement your features that don't involve gambling, AND YOU KNOW THIS. There is ZERO excuse when you're charging a $60 entry fee. This "interview" doesn't change anything for me as a consumer, this is an attempt at faux-positive PR where fluff is exchanged under the guise of substance. Having said all that, keep at it guys, the more shit we give them the more they'll have to awkwardly come on and address these issues until even those blind to the problem will take notice.
Bananaboatdotjpeg I don't envy his job by any means and I know he's not the one personally at fault for these decisions. However, it doesn't change the facts. And the concept of driving all criticism toward EA, the faceless publisher black hole that doesn't personally respond to anything as opposed to the people that actually live and breathe video games is pointless, there's nothing to be gained. You can't have a dialogue with a corporation like EA, you might as well yell at a brick wall.
Zant unfortunately making a stand on this won't matter because the mindless masses that lap up cod and fifa every year will buy this in droves regardless.
That justification for loot boxes was utter bullshit. Everything he said about "trying new things" and all that bullshit CAN STILL BE DONE WITHOUT GETTING CUSTOMERS TO PAY MORE MONEY!
He was avoiding the question (I get why) asked if it was an EA decision. We all know it was and anyone who thought this guy was going to come on and point the finger at them they are living in an alternate dimension. This is a business decision more and more large publishers are pushing because people are suckers. There are a shit ton of people ready willing and able to pay extra for loot boxes. Until those people decide not to buy them they will always exist. Its sad but its how it going to be.
Remember Battlefield 4? How you could progress in each individual class? I'd play a class for a while and switch for whatever situation was needed on the map at the time. How hard is it to do that in Battlefront? I mean you could do that in the original Battlefront 2 and that had a progression system in it back in 2005 even tho it was very basic, remember the Award Assault Rifle etc? There is perfect working formulas from past games, what is being done nowadays is just ruining all AAA games and giving them shorter lives. People want freedom in games, they don't want to be forced to open multiple lootboxes to get an item they have seen on another player, they want to find out the way to get it and work for it.
Tru.. But u gotta give them credit for answering critics, making some changes, and interacting. Most companies wouldn't. Here's a fact.. They want to make more money. They will design games to achieve this. At the end, we just don't want extreme pay to win
If this guy wanted to be honest he should have said “because we want to make all the money. We figured out how to legalize gambling towards kids and we want to make all the money in the world”
SSJAUTOBOT kids shouldxxn't be playing m rated games in the first place they also dont have all the funds in the world there parents do they are partly to blame
You are completely missing the point. Frankly, I think "gambling" (which it's not) in a RATED M game is fine. Kids shouldn't even be playing this and if they are, they shouldn't have a way to actually purchase
Daren Colby It is gambling, what do u understand for gambling? U place an amount of money and get a random reward. Dindt like It? Put more money in. It is gambling
Yeah there are some very convenient talking points that enable them to dance around the issue and act like they’re helping. Sort of like what I see happening with Activision’s new system, they’ll be able to say they’re looking at individual’s data to better tailor the game to our style/skill level/etc., but in reality they’ll be using it to try to get us to spend more on MTs (E.g. actually have beginners play against advanced players with better guns so they want to go get those better guns).
Stitchowi Wait how does Warframe do it then? It has no retail price and releases free updates. Could it be that they aren't as greedy as the EA folcks?
I know this is an old video , I’ve been watching you for a while now and I appreciate everything you alex and other joe do for us gamer but I like to say thank you for always asking the hard question while everyone bends the knee when it gets tough. Again thank you
Great interview Joe. You were hitting him with some hard questions and didn't let up. Thank you for doing the stream beforehand where you gathered our questions and then addressed our concerns with him.
How do you know they are pay to win? Have you encountered someone who has bought them and had an advantage? No. Fucking spewing out false information. Disgusting
DonkeyHub YT False information, are you really this dense? Do you need a step by step breakdown of why the system is pay to win? Do you need step by step manuals for basic math as well? Progression is still tied to loot boxes and star cards, it's not rocket science.
Garrett Howard Yeah, so the person that spends more money on loot boxes gets more chances than those who don't. It's really not hard to figure out how it's pay to win. You can buy loot boxes which gives you progression, which in turn grants gameplay advantages. If that's not pay to win please explain how it isn't, I'll wait.
Don't buy any EA games, they are always over priced with half the content, releasing the rest of the game as paid for DLC, then throwing in micro transactions. Don't let them get away with releasing half baked unfinished money grabs they call games. Vote with your $$$. The industry needs a change for the better.
Joe:Can you tell me the reason for the lootboxes to be in the game? EA guy: Money Joe: Yeah, but, is there any mechanics related reason? EA guy: yeah,money Joe: do you have any idea what is this video about? EA guy:...money?
The sad thing is that it wouldn't made that much of a different in the grand scheme of things, the mass consumer would still buy the game no matter what.
Zant Yeah, the casual tards that are murdering gaming. Having games being made easier for them wasn’t enough, selling game in multiple part (sorry, I meant « DLC ») wasn’t enough, now we have to implement fBLEEEPing mobile style gambling in 70€ games...
To be honest I don’t mind any of it. It’s a fun game, and that’s all I really expect of any game I play. Balancing won’t be an issue with the multi class system. Even if one person is playing class that is objectively better than the base equivalent, players can change to a different class to counter it. I’m open to other opinions on the matter though.
Zant I don't actually have concerns about the loot boxes. I'd way rather have loot boxes compared to paid dlc. I'm getting free dlc so I'm happy. Since I played the beta, it was extremely easy for me to get loot boxes so I really didn't care. And I never felt like I lost a gunfight because someone had a star card that he got from a loot box. And they changed them since the beta and made them better. And you have to remember, the gaming industry is a business, and thats an easy way to earn money for the company but its also there because games are extremely expensive to make now, and in order to have free dlc, micro transactions are there to make up the money.
So you NEED to have loot boxes to get rewards? You can't just give rewards by unlocking them by playing like shit loads of other games? I'm not sure I'm getting what he's saying.
XxJigsaw_GamesxX how he is explaining this progression is that if you play a lot of a certain class for example the assault and do all the challenges and getting kills you will obtain a supply crate specially for that class that will only give star cards for the assault.
Grenherb supply drops/crates will be in most games now some games will kill it out for extra cash some games will make it cosmetic only there is nothing we can do about it
*"Increase player engagement",* huh... That's a *creative* way of saying *"getting our audiences hooked on GAMBLING."* Slot machines have great user engagement too. Marketing ethics. Learn it.
Just. Scrap. Lootboxes. Bigger and spaced out maps, 3 points to hold, let me pick up my clone trooper brothers in a clone ship, drop them off at a capture point, and then get shot down and die a hero.
I hate lootboxes, let that be known now BUT don't forget, to get these better graphics, and other things require better technology, better technology requires lots of $$$ that is not including the time it takes to make to. so lootboxes help to better cover that cost because the cost to make games keeps going up yet they HAVE NOT increased the 60$ price tag over the years. BUT I hate the whole money=gameplay I think that it SHOULD BE PURELY COSMETIC like OW lootboxes, their system is good where duplicates give you currency to buy the things you want and etc. lootboxes that give weapons like Halo 5 req system, this, SoW their lootboxes are shitty and all around greed, lootboxes that are centered around emotes or PURELY cosmetic then they are fine
Steel Dragon STOP IT! Stop this bullshit argument, ffs. Look at EA, Ubisoft, Activision etc profits. Not sales, but pure profits, and tell me that they need to "cover the costs".
Steel Dragon That's entirely wrong. They already earn enough to profit from sales alone. Not much but enough for anybody taking part in the project. With classic Microtransctions the Publishers in their business suits earn more. With Lootboxes that's a whole other story. The filthy businessmen get rich. Not the Developers. Most of them had their own engine and get forced to use a certain Engine from the Publisher. Right now the Development cost of anything game related is low, the lowest it ever was.
AcidBurnz payback hurts my soul....I had some hope in that until I saw the tuning system and the lousy ass story and lame ass characters...well, kinda liked mac.
He said at the end that he wants battlefront 3 to have no lootboxes. EA is major company, their main goal is to make money whether you like it or not. Joe was trying to propose ideas that would appeal to the players while simultaneously being profitable for EA.
I know what Joe is doing and trying to do, I'm all for Joe. I'm just saying, like you said, EA is a major company and its ONLY goal is to make money, whether we like it or not. So what does this all mean? Joe and his proposals is just a waste of time because at the end of the day EA don't care what Joe or any fans think, they just want dollars and euros, period.
That try at damage control backfired hard. Notanswering a single question legitimately was a bad move even from a marketing perspective. Gamers aren't THAT stupid.
Yes, they are. "Gamers" are the stupidest consumers in existence. Look at Bethesda-people have supported them endlessly despite them being literally EA levels of shitty. Gamers are retards, this game will be a massive success, pretending otherwise is naive and insane.
Kinda glad they agreed to do this. Even though it’s “lying” as most comments have said here, but it was very interesting to see them agree to at least make some sort of efforts to talk. Even if it is things we disagree profusely with.
Frank West - I Covered Wars I’ve played about 1000 hours in TitanFall 2. I’ve prestiged 15 Times and i don’t gain anything when I finish a game. I ply the game because I enjoy the game. Multiplayer worked before loot boxes. It’ll work after.
I dont know, you have to remember that this is gaming so not as easy to gain real data on each persons thoughts on a game. Though I will say, it would not surprise me if a bigger portion of the player base does decide to play for a longer period than normal, because of how they set up the progression system. For example: Last of Us had an amazing multiplayer game mode, literally on pair with other games that solely have multiplayer without a single player, yet the population in there did not have as many as other games.
I definitely feel bad for Paul, EA is forcing him to answer the way he is. Almost every question was answered with "well again were trying to listen to the fans more and were gonna work with them to hopefully make this a better game" which obviously isn't true because they're not listening to the fans.
Uhhhh what do you mean they are not listening to the fans? They changed loot boxes, they gave us clone wars, they gave us much more content at launch and you probably didn't know this but back in Battlefront 2015 they got much negativity for adding stormtroopers without helmets so later down the road they removed it
Gives players options? No. It limits players, it shouldn't be tied to progression. As soon as Joe asked why Loot boxes should be in the game, all I heard was stuttering and answers to questions except the one that was asked. People pick a particular path in games, why? Because they paid 60 fucking dollars for it, they can take whatever path they want - this whole Loot boxes help players keep playing is bullshit. Great gameplay, a great community and great, competent devs make a game replayable. Not fucking loot cards. The fact he dances around the P2W problems and the fact that loot boxes are entirely corporate. It's disgusting, you're targeting vulnerable people to gambling with their money or just relying on people who don't care paying, either way - take a look at yourselves in the mirror. Good on Joe for hammering home the questions about the micro-transactions whilst refusing to let them slide round - I wouldn't be surprised if the poor bastard he was interviewing had an EA lapdog pointing a gun at his head.
hiroy_raind Considering it's a F2P game and the system is still better than most Triple A games systems speaks for itself. Also it's not pay2win. What are you winning? Winning against bosses? Nobody cares about that. It doesn't hurt anyone in the Community.
Not forced. Pressured. The progression system is only tied around loot boxes instead of natural leveling. Those who don't pay for the loot boxes will be at a disadvantage to those that do.
For one, WF is free and not 60 bucks. Secondly, who are you gaining an advantage over? The AI? Yeah I'm sure they're mighty upset about it. Players in Conclave? Gear and frames are put on a level playing field. This "argument" is weak.
Josue Cervantes not EA. For EA games it's money = skill. More money U pay the more u feel the satisfaction of winning or getting better, it's gambling.
Even skins, even emotes ARE a part of gameplay, they are cosmetics, yes. But cosmetics are also an essential part of gameplay and progression. RPG games wouldn't do that otherwise. Overwatch lootbox system is not perfect or good. Period.
Tough job, you had there, Joe. I understand access journalism, so I can't blame you for tip toeing a little bit after the responses, but you did ask the tough questions, and your facial expressions after answers were spot on. Good stuff overall.
Needs to look and feel authentic! Is that why bossk was fighting yoda on starkiller base and the first order stormtroopers we’re running around with prequel era weapons
So, EA doesn't want players to quit their games early, and in their opinion loot boxes will fix that, how? If anything no one should even touch the thing.
Because loot boxes no matter what way you spin it is a form of gambling. Gambling is addicting. And addiction is easy to entice and manipulate once drawn in. That’s why people end up staying for the long haul. Collectors, completionists, people who just want the best items they can get, people who like or are trapped by gambling. It’s easy to reel them all in while keeping them there with the steady release of new and better loot. And no I’m not justifying it I’m simply pointing out the shady and messed up business practices.
OR give is the game we paid for, including cosmetics? I used to say this, too. My goodwill is gone. This isn't DLC, that's a separate issue. I paid for the game, GIVE ME MY COSTUMES. If I have to grind for an unreasonable amount of time for ANY of this, you failed.
StronkiTube i agree somewhat. If its purely cosmetic im fine with the loot box system as it dosnt effect gameplay. If anything they should keep the loot boxs for cosmetics but rng rewards after matches. The better you do the higher the chance to get somthing good. That way it also encourages players to do better for a better chance at better rewards not only that but they can also lock some rewards behind challenges. So you have something for those who want to look cool, somthing for those who just enjoy playing the game and somthing for those who strive to be the best.
I cant believe AJ warned them of the micro aggression/ lootboxes being tied to progression was a bad idea. BF2 made an epic strikeback as the years progressed, I have to give it that. They made many new exciting updates and included a hunt mode lol
I am so proud of Gamers with all this EA/Battlefront II case. Micro-transactions emotional predatory practices have always been ridiculous and I am glad it is all being brought in to light in this fashion, finally, on a grand scale! The gaming industry messed up before in the 80's and it looks like they are on their way to mess up once more, lesson not learned it seems, but so proud for gamer reactions and backlash the right way, the way it actually makes a difference. $$$ Rejecting to consume the practices.
Look you can't dog DICE out here. I hate loot boxes like these too, but DICE has really tried to push back with against EA as much as they can without getting shutdown. He was embarrassed to talk about them because he doesn't like them as they are, but EA pulls the strings on the loot boxes and I don't think he wants to lose his job
GoofballPath53 Very intelligently put, people are just mad, and projecting their anger on the producers of the game. We need to vote with our wallets however, and properly focus our anger toward EA. The one responsible.
Jake Runyan I'll be honest, no, I wouldn't. I would value my artistic integrity more. And I don't believe some of these devs are too happy with these choices they are contractually obligated to make, either. This *is* a business, and businesses have bosses that you bend over backwards for. In this case, it's EA, and thus, they are the ones at fault here, not DICE. DICE has always treated their players fairly, lootboxes and malpractice is not what they are known for in the past. This new lootbox craze is being spear-headed by production heads in companies like EA, in their attempts to normalize it as a service, in order to make more money. The main people I feel bad for, (Besides the consumers being abused) are the devs of the games, whom not only have to make creative sacrifice on their projects due to contractual obligation, but whom also end up being the main source of criticism from the community (Since it's the only face gamers have to identify the issues with). EA is the one making the majority of the dough, and when their OWN forced malpractice starts to ruin a franchise, they simply flush it, instead of handing over complete creative control to the dev teams. This is what's troubling for DICE, the more intervention EA has in their games, the more consumers will get mad, which will then hurt their games, and by extension their company, until they go the way of Visceral Games.
lol i remember the SWtor-EA guy telling the player loot boxes are ''exciting' and ''thrill of the hunt'' fcuk thses guys im done with EA. The true answer is simple...they made studies about gamers and they find out player are gamblers and they loves that kind of garbage stuff that keep them playiing but its not for me fuck this bullshit
This is so hard to watch. Interviewee was fake as hell and obviously lying and Joe wasn't hard enough (almost like the questions had to be pre-approved)
The fact that he has the ability to come on this show and try to say that microtransactions will give players options with a straight face is both impressive and disgusting at the same time
DJ Heitland shoot really? I cant find any new games to play so ive had to resort to playing games i played ten years ago. But yeah i here you. I have money now, unlike when i was a kid. But yet I havent bought any games in a long time, everything is a fuckin mess of a money grab. Vote with your wallet, fuck preordering and screw paying 60$ for games that are only good because of their graphics.
Go a step further, Microtransactions should be honest. Loot Boxes are the cancer of the industry and should be removed as they cheat/hook the gamers instead of letting them simply purchase a unique item or earn it.
Paul's reasoning is complete bullshit. Loot boxes prevent me from enjoying the full game, I didn't just try 3 different things back in the day. I explored everything, and now I can't until I grind for months or open my wallet to unlock everything.
Biggup Joe for his professionalism and respectful questioning. No point in screaming at Paul and telling him that he's talking bollocks because he'll never be given another interview. Joe asked the relevant questions and put his point of view across very well. Can't wait to see Joe's review of the game now.
Joe is my man, respectable commentator, you know a critic speaks fans' hearts when he can both lash out at companies in individual videos and sit down and talk business models with folks he criticise
Forcing loot boxes to encourage different play styles is the saddest excuse. The whole point is to let players play how they want to play. Period. Then EVERYTHING is tied into these boxes! The whole balance of the game! Thats outrageous, limiting player progression to make sure everyone has the same chance to unlock boxes is baffling. I hope this game flops, hard, so maybe they learn their lesson trying to get more money from players.
drift19234 Not to mention he immediately makes the equal progression argument mute by saying skilled players can progress faster through challenges. Which is it? They want players to progress at the same rate, or they want skilled players to progress faster? They don't even know how to keep up with their bs.
drift19234 the annoying thing is it won't flop because it's a star wars game and all the casuals who aren't informed or don't keep up with this stuff will just go out and buy it because of that , or parents for an easy present
What, no they dont want the player to progress at the same rate. What other games do that? More skilled players will unlock shit faster than bad ones, that's how its always been.
EA understands how the average person works, that's why they can continue with their bussiness practices. Mack, have you played any of the mods for the TRUE battlefront II, some of the maps blow even the vanilla game out of the water.
I love how EA keeps saying "we want people to play our games for a long time to come" when their games consistently have the least amount of longevity out of any games I own.
Love Joe, he's literally is the only gamer/interviewer who will ask the tuff questions & who expresses his "real" feelings about a game. Keep it up Joe
Let's be honest with ourselves. We want to believe that they will listen, time and time again we will convince ourselves maybe this time around they will. I can see some minor things changing, but in the bigger picture it's going to boil down to the big wigs calling the shots. Their seemingly bottomless pockets will ruin our games and force us to cringe at playing games we want to love. I understand as much as anyone people need to make money but when is it ever enough.
The only thing i see that can and probably should happen is, people stop buying, game sells low and repeat this over and over on such games, even if it means sacrificing franchises and game studios, don't give it a chance simply.
I have one last thing to say about it. Prove it. You say you talk the talk.. let's see you walk the walk. You want our money then earn it as much as we do.
It'll be enough when companies stop making tons of money off these shitty practices. I hate this nonsense as much as the next guy, and I make my voice known by not only not rewarding the company for micro transactions and loot boxes, but I flat out will not buy the game at all.
They listen after they get their money. The most spend on loot boxes and any type of micro-transaction happens at the start of the game from players who are already totally aware of the fact that spending = advantage. They stopped early enough that it makes you question your belief that EA are just in it for the money and get out, but late enough that they got the lion's-share of the money they would've got.
"Durr we want people to keep playing for a long time, so loot boxes." My guy. Do you know how fucking long people played games like Call of Duty 4, or Halo 3, games that didn't have any micro-transactions? To put things in perspective, *those communities are still around.* It's really quite simple -- make games that are GOOD, and people will play them for a long time. A game's quality should speak for itself, and it shouldn't need to have bullshit stuffed into it to artificially create longevity. Conversely, if a game is bad, it's bad. Releasing it in such a state and then saying, "don't worry Joe, we'll address some of those concerns POST-launch!" is ridiculous. If EA's that worried, maybe they should delay the game's release instead of putting out an inferior product in time for the fucking holiday season. Games like Persona 5 and Breath of the Wild were delayed multiple times to make sure the quality was there, AT RELEASE, and you know what? Those are damn near *perfect* games.
Those games that you mentioned have paid DLC by the way. People still do play them, but then again people still play just about every game. The only difference is how many people quit before a DLC was released and didn't justify paying for it? In this game all future DLC is free so people who play casually or get bored can come back to the game when new free DLC is released. I basically do this right now on Overwatch. I get bored and quit for a month or two then a new map or character comes out and I come back. As for the lootboxes, they ain't an issue if you play the game you get them for free. People crying over them haven't figured out how easy they are to unlock without spending any real money...
Paid DLC, e.g. map packs that have nothing to do with player progression, are not at all the same thing as lootboxes. I'm not sure if you watched this video, or the rant that preceded it, but Joe broke it down pretty clearly: yes, you will _eventually_ unlock things for free in this game, but it will take you *hundreds* of hours to get it all. Why? So that you buy the lootboxes instead. I'm glad you've apparently "figured out" how to get around this problem in a game that hasn't actually been released yet, but I don't know what your point is here. The promise of free DLC in the future is empty, it means nothing. It's only happening because they've found a logical progression for their greed. Unlike new maps, these lootboxes are inherently tied to progression, they affect gameplay significantly. EA doesn't _need_ to charge for DLC anymore, see? This is a much, much better scam
Exactly this. And damn I miss Halo 3. Loot boxes will never equal more game time. I can put more time into Super Metroid than most games today because its so repayable with all the sequence breaks, clean fluid movement, awesome atmosphere and music. These things don't matter anymore. So sad.
Do you like Pie? "We have a lot of feedback from Pie eaters saying they enjoy Pie, this is largely due to the ingredients that have gone into the Pie. Sugar as one is a major factor to the enjoyment of the Pie but also we can't overlook the filling and let us not forget that a filling can be a selection of various things.... bleh blah bluh."
I’m impressed by Joes ability to hold back and keep his composure while talking to this dude. I know the angry persona is for the show but as a gamer I don’t think I could’ve stayed so calm with some of his answers and pussyfooting around some questions
At this point I think Joe did put back his own hate and tried his best to get EA in a real conversation (which didn't work) because he probably wants to see BF 2 succeed, which on the other hand would mean that more of the blaming they give EA from all sides (justified of course) wouldn't help much in that situation. It's unusual for Joe to hold back that much, so there clearly clearly has to be a different purpose in Joe's mind than to beat a dead horse.
I was thinking that myself... they're a necessity? You mean with a budget the likes of EA and Dice they couldn't even think of another creative way to introduce progression that allows for players with skill to progress at an appropriate rate while still allowing bad players to progress? How about a Steam style market system? Maybe a free loot crate every day, or every level up?
Bane: "Your money has always been the only thing we cared about." John Daggett: "What are you?" Bane: "I'm EA's mouthpiece. Here to end the borrowed time you've all been living on! If you think lootboxes are bad, wait until you see what will replace them in the future!" John Daggett: "You're pure evil!" Bane: "I'm *necessary* evil for the stock holders!"
Frawns I was BEGGING OUT LOUD for Joe to follow up on that comment. "Can you give me an example of the type of content that paid progression loot boxes are necessary to experience?" But I knew he wouldn't do it, too aggressive. Gotta be nice in these types of interviews or you don't get more of them in the future.
Deej from Bungie gets the same treatment. It's hard for these community managers, even though Paul isn't one, he's probably just the guy that drew the short straw, when the companies they work for make stupid decisions because most of the blame and hate will be thrown at the community managers.
leonthesleepy No, aim it squarely into his face - especially in this specific interview. He’s representing the Dev team and EA. There’s no reason to pull any punches. This isn’t about hurting somebody’s feelings. It’s about refusing to let $60 games turn into some garbage mobile market filled with Clash of Clans business models. They need to hear that message loud and clear. If he’s going to shoulder the responsibility of interacting with the consumer, then he’s the guy that needs to hear it the loudest.
In this case I agree with you, Paul is in a position where he can actually do something with the feedback he gets. Most of the time though its the community managers who get stuck with the brunt of the hate because they are the 'public face of the game' so to speak.
Can we dismiss him entirely for choosing to stand there and tell us with a straight face complete and utter falsehoods? I'm sure the guy offscreen with the gun will fire if he doesn't do the interview. Dice, like bioware and other companies chose to get in bed with EA knowing full well what they're like... you'll forgive my lack of sympathy.
Joe you are one of the real game critics out there right now that calls out all the BS that these gaming companies spew out to the public(because of one reason they are easy to coerce into buying their products).
Dear Joe, I'm just one fan but I do hope you read this. Been following your show for years, and our gaming taste is so similar, it's amazing. Your rant represents me 100% EVERY TIME which makes you GREAT in my eyes. However I do have one point I'd like to make across: If you hate Battlefront 2 and the evil system surrounding it so much - be a man of action, and boycott it. Don't stream it, don't cover it. Give your rant in full facecam and don't show ANY footage. You will lose a few bucks. But you can't expect EA to not to try microtransactions for a few bucks, if you yourself can't lose a few bucks to truly reject it. As a wise man once said - with great power comes great responsibility.
Tyler D that is the third time I've seen you repeating that comment that I'm starting to wonder if you're an EA plant to attack Joe's credibility among the fanbase. Joe is being diplomatic and welcoming but by no means buying what this PR man is selling.
YES, poor guy. Have you ever had an excellent job that you would prefer to keep ? probably not. Chances are EA or Dice sent out the young greenhorn millennial to back up their bullshit. doubt the kid wants to do it, he's walking a fine line here. basically getting fucked by his boss.
mcgman 80 Agree, I feel sorry for the guy. Nobody would feel comfortable in his position, gotta admit it takes guts to do this interview, even if his answers are completely scripted.
Andres Teare this guy probably feels the same way as us, knowing his piece of work is getting shit on/ruined because of people above him trying to squeeze money out of it
It never ceases to amaze me that games company have managed to convice gamers that a 'star card' has some kind of monetary value. Its not even a card. Literally re-buying pixels and a couple of lines of code which already live on the disc you bought for £50.
Any game with Loot Boxes should be rated M. It's gambling with real money and minors should NOT be exposed to it.
mbbm13 battlefront 2 is rated m. Its a fps for crying out loud, lol.
Get iPads OUT of kids hands
I said "ANY" game with Loot Boxes, not specifically Batttlefront 2. Thanks for the making me lol.
Boyishdude Actually it's rated Teen...
Actually ratings don't impact anything
okay... I couldn't go past the bullshit justification for loot boxes, sorry man...
no, really.... no.
The EA guy is full of shit. AJ should have asked him "WHY DOES IT NEED TO COST ACTUAL MONEY?"
You do realize that a game as big and glamorous as battlefront 2 would need a SHIT load of money.
desertfox_JY if they can't make back they're money from sales alone then they're game is shit
desertfox_JY destiny 2 had a $500,000 budget and made that back in the first week on sales alone
Kyle Edwards It had a bigger budget, including PR etc. They still made it back in a week.
This producer just avoided the answer to pretty much every question... Don't buy EA games
Agreed and I won't. I use to spend money every once in a while on Galaxy of Heroes for Android but, not anymore. I'm done supporting EA. Never again.
but he did give an answer. just not a satisfactory one.
Kung Phu i got ufc 2 about 2 years ago and that was the first and last ea game i will ever get.
Once you begin to stumble and not have a clear cut answer you're avoiding the question
Not defending this practice but he doesn't want to get fired. EA probably were watching him like a hawk to see if he was going to throw them under the bus
Definition of gambling. 'Take risky action in the hope of a desired result'. Loot boxes where you can spend real currency ARE gambling and need to be removed from games, especially those played by children.
FPP im fine with it, vote with your dollar they will get the picture
FPP bitch please
AMEN!!!
"The fans told us they want lootboxes".. GTF OUTTA HERE
He is probably referring to the focus group retards who are only there because "OH YEAH I FUCKING LOVE STAR WARS!! XDXD"
You'd be surprised...On r/xboxone there was a dude who was happy he was able to buy the loot boxes in the EA Access trial... Needless to say I was shaking my head
The ptw players are fucking everyone else and are happy about it. Cause they feel good about paying extra money to beat others in a game w/o skill.
Dylan Trenhaile technicly yeah people wanted to get rid of season pass so thats the trade we have and in my opion I prefer lootboxes over season pass
Yeah, the focus group that's never accurate whatsoever, they just get a group of numpties together that never say what the actual majority wants.
Hey Joe how does it feel for a Dev to straight up lie to your face about some of the stuff you talked to him about?
Ah don't be so harsh... Corporate Commander is just off camera pointing a gun at the guy's head.
The Paranoid Blues Man hats off to you what a brilliant comment
Not saying he didn't at all just wondering what he was supposed to be lying about?
What did he like about?
Hazardous the dev told joe that the better players will be quicker at ending the game and playing objectives. So according to the dev the quicker the game ends the more games you can put in and get more credits. This isnt true because the longer you are in a game the more credits you get. Jackfrags tested it out. He beasted a game and got 200 credits. Next game he sat around and died a shit ton of times and got 300 credits because the game was longer
It's like an interview with a politician lol
Totally
That is exactly what this was
- AAA full price game
- (micro)transactions
Don't need to know more.
Roman Kopp you fuckin guys were against season passes so micro transaction is the only thing to do there.
Also are we forgetting there are games that cost money, have dlc, micro transactions AND monthly fees like WoW?!
Why is everyone targeting EA for battlefront 2 jfc
Because EA is leading the charge in a lot of shitty business practices for games that only last 1-2 years.
Burak Crystal are you stupid?
Burak Crystal Im against crappy DLC if you get a seasonpass tell us what we get with the pass. Yeah i want to know what i get for my money with DLC. Thats the problem also keep out progression out of the DLC and no endings as DLC or competitive extra's for the payers. I never had a problem paying for DLC just make it worth the money. Witcher 3, Horizon, Monster Hunter World is how to go at it. 😉
But these companies go for maximum with minimum effort. 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
Thats what these companies go for i dont want to gamble for DLC the same goes for Overwatch yes i would pay a reasonable amount of cash for cosmetic skins.
"Allows the player to try different things" what a bullshit answer for loot boxes.
people used to try new things because of things you could unlock via playing the game, but they didnt get extra money when they did it that way.
It does have a bit of truth to it.
It's called "power to the excuses".
Yeah. It makes some sense, but if he told Joe the real reason I'm sure EA would have crucified him. No matter what the ea guy says someone is going to kill him.
yeah, tricks players to try things they don't want to do and slows down things they want to do... thats what it is
Loot boxes keep players around? Really? Because it’s keeping me from even buying the game
Problica true. Actual progression systems keep people around as they have to play more to get credits to buy the thing that they want. Lootboxes just give you randomized shit
Michael T if you’ve ever played Halo Reach you know about the immense progression and customization. Halo these days is a bunch of loot boxes too as well as way less customization. Go back to the old systems everybody!!!
I'm with you
well it should't
Problica agreed
Why is that guy wearing a hat, is it that cold inside his office? Perhaps EA had to cut on utilities cost since the loot boxes don't sell...
BioHyde burn lol
They could use some fire in the office
I don't think that's it, I just think he hasn't gotten indoor heating from the loot boxes he's already purchased. But maybe the next one? Who knows? He'll just have to buy one and hope for the best.
you would say that it would pretty warm overthere with all them pants being on fire...
uve never seen people wearing hats inside just for style or fashion? hmm.... interesting.
Don’t by EA games. Problem solved
Pirates m8
Remove loot boxes from the game entirely. In fact, remove them from every game EA makes.
Let's see them take that feedback into account
Critical Nobody loot boxes can work as proven by rainbow six siege. All you have to do is make them not cost real money
I agree with the no real money bit. This game is going to suck ass, I will not buy it until it's $30 or less.
Then be prepared for a price increase on games overall, that is the harsh truth.
Critical Nobody
(After loot box removal)
Hey, where’s the update?
Is there any DLC coming out?
How long will they release some new content?
Everyone bitches about microtransactions, yet these companies make billions from them every year. People can bitch and moan about them all day, but until we stop buying them they're not going anywhere.
He completely dodges Joe's question about loot boxes as expected. A bunch of PR nonsense, as expected.
SerpentGirl21 yep I played a few rounds and I keep finding dam whales that have spent over 200$ it looks! Fucking shills!
Yeah not surprising, i don't believe anything this paid shill says.
Yup 100%. He even tries to pretend like loot crates are not 100% about making money. "Oh we try to encourage players to use other classes by giving them cards for something they might not otherwise play." Do you think we're fucking stupid? The point of random drops in loot crates is to try to coax us into buying them so we can unlock more shit. Asshole
Jacob Rindfleisch this is why I'll stick with overwatch and Destiny 2 realy the loot you get in the boxes and bright Ingrams don't change nothing but look at me look at me I'm awsome!
Yeah. I noticed that too.
BOYCOTT EA
Wow. Listening to this guy is sickening.
it is indeed.. Joe was being too nice to this guys, which I respect.. But I mean comon.. its freaking STAR WARS we're talking about..
Just gave the 100. like to your comment.
Guillermo Del Toro a jew? R u high?
Dodged question’s I’m with Joe loot boxes will be the down fall of mainstream gaming.
AngryChimp that’s why people buy indies
and then those get lootboxes lol
The only game that I am okay with that has something similar to "loot boxes" is Warframe, but it's free to play so you get to choose whether you want to support the devs or not. That's the only time I'm okay with something like this.
Fuck man, can't we just unlock guns and equipment like bf3? I don't need fucking lootboxes to bring me back to m&b warband, it's just actually fun. Weird concept in mainstream gaming when a game is just fun, right?
AngryChimp ahh but who cares if you can rack in a couple hundred Million while the boat is sinking. The game industry is all about the "right now" profit with total disregard of the future.
NO gamer enjoys loot boxes PERIOD
the sheep does XD
Given how insanely profitable they are I'd wager you are wrong.
Insanely profitable according to who? And have they released the info from a credible source? Also what is profitable? If every gamer puts in another $5, is that considered enough to be profitable?
According to Gaben
According to just about every publisher ever?. It clearly works......otherwise it would have died out years ago
Perfect sterile corporate dribble
Props to this guy for trying his best to defend his shitty company's tactics. Everyone knows these business practices are pure evil and prey on people prone to addiction. I refuse to buy any game with a pay to win model. You should too!
+ Chris D part of me feels bad for who companies throw out there to try spin the BS. I mean these people are put into bad spots because there are no excuses for it but unless they want to be fired they have to try but still the shit eating grin on this dude's face for pretty much the whole video tells me gamers are going to get fucked one way or another with this game.
"we want people to play other game modes"
*goes plays fighter game mode*
*dies by someone with 200% dmg and shield perk*
"wow what a friendly and encouraging experience."
Moe Joe King preach!
*Goes into the arcade gamemode*
*Wins a few games*
*Have to wait 3 hours to get more credits*
a great sense of pride and accomplishment
I don't know why in the hell anyone would want to play this game. The more you pay the better competitive edge you have? This is WHY I DON'T PLAY GAMES ON MY FUCKING PHONE.
m0t0rcade they got rid of in game purchases
"Awesome progression lootboxes!" -said no gamer ever.
But why is this still being put in games? Seems that 'gamers' are still buying them.
Cuz majority of gamers these days are ignorant and grew up thinking lootboxes, paywalls and mobile game practices in Triple A games are normal
Dimitri Petrenko
"Competitive" gamers that think that if they DON'T buy the loot crates, they will "fall behind" the "competition." The "competition" are the Saudi Princes and their kids who are so fucking rich, they use money as toilet paper, and couldn't care less how much money they spend on loot crates.
Dog you have me dying 😂
His argument for loot boxes are that they allow for progression. Like we can't have a varied progression system without loot boxes. lol what.
How long to unlock everything? Forrreeevvveeerrrrrrrr......
Is that dude wearing a fake plastic nose attached to glasses like the Marx brothers gag?
Ann Droid he keeps fixing his glasses pretty damn excessively lol
I was wondering the same thing lol
Loot boxes in free to play games are rather amazing. Like League of Legends, it's just skins ("I want to support this game, here's a few bucks for a Disneylookalike-skin"). In a paid title, I will never be ok with it.
JapanskNinja I agree, I dont find nothing wrong with loot boxes in free-to-play games cause the company has to make money somehow and you dont feel cheated, like my favourite game Warframe. Overwatch (a paid game) also have loot boxes but its just cosmetics and again you don't feel cheated.
JapanskNinja Dauntless got rid of loot boxes in its game and that got the game on a lot of people's map.
JapanskNinja Agree 100%. And if the F2P tries some sleezy tactic or makes the game an unbearable grind fest in order to coax people into paying for useless trash, guess what? I just stop playing. No harm no foul. I didn't pay a dime to get in. If your game is good however, and progression is satisfying? Sure. I'll kick you a few bucks for some worthy cosmetics or something of the sort.
It's funny how it works out because in a F2P, they have to EARN these MT's. They have to get people hooked on their game. Which means they need to make a fun game. A satisfying game. In full retail games? They don't have to earn shit. People feel like they HAVE to enjoy the game because they paid for it. Which they can't, because the progression system is an absolute SHLOG. A tedious fucking chore. So they run to the marketplace and drop 50 bucks just to try to make it bearable.
F2P model for the mafuckin win.
JapanskNinja Exactly ! I don't understand why people support these kind of "AAA" games.
Gambling is bad, allowing to choose exactly the thing you want to buy, I'm fine with. As long as its cosmetic and not pay to win guns etc.
This is wha happens when a game is NOT made by gamers.
Vinicius Nogueira Except that we are gamers, idiot.
BiggSean 66 He’s saying the developers aren’t gamers, because if they were they would know that gamers hate loot boxes...idiot
Saint Parallax I know, genius. And as a game dev at EA I can tell you he is wrong. Dead wrong. We're all gamers and have great passion about the games we make. The decisions and features you guys don't like are not decisions or features implemented by us - they're implemented by executives and those in upper management.
You're from EA? Hey, thanks for making mediocrity mainstream. Best thing to happen to gaming since gameboy's ET.
If you are actually a dev, fucking do something! Every new mainstream game has loot boxes now, and when will it stop? When did content become something to dodge? Gamers complain about DLC completing and ruining games, "oh we have free DLC, just pay to win instead!", why does any of this exist at all? Because devs allow it to happen. Is it hard to ask for a full game without pay to win? Apparently yes! League of Legends is completely free to play and is the biggest game of this decade. Clearly Overwatch does well with that system even if I payed them for it, what is so wrong with making THAT the norm?
Why....its necessary??....haha....Joe....Joe....you should have literally cussed him out....because nothing has changed and its still pay to win.
Core Chara No. You do not win an argument by cussing someone out
Core Chara not unless he wants to interview more people
Core Chara
You may know Joe for cussing, but he's still known as a professional outside his craft.
You can't really cuss out as a professional.
why not? the president does. and he is considered a "professional" by some(not me, always thought he was a giant douche). I agree with you, but realistically, assholes get ahead in this world. it isn't right, but it is reality.
This is like the Dark Souls of interviews. Every question, Paul dodges it like a pro.
If you're reading this Paul Keslin, DICE, EA whoever, you're not dumb. We're not dumb. Don't play dumb. You continuously try and justify your utter shite by labeling it a feature. There are infinite ways to implement your features that don't involve gambling, AND YOU KNOW THIS. There is ZERO excuse when you're charging a $60 entry fee. This "interview" doesn't change anything for me as a consumer, this is an attempt at faux-positive PR where fluff is exchanged under the guise of substance.
Having said all that, keep at it guys, the more shit we give them the more they'll have to awkwardly come on and address these issues until even those blind to the problem will take notice.
Zant the more shit we give them the less shit like this we get
Zant If he doesn't play the PR game he'll lose his job. Don't blame him, blame EA
Bananaboatdotjpeg I don't envy his job by any means and I know he's not the one personally at fault for these decisions. However, it doesn't change the facts. And the concept of driving all criticism toward EA, the faceless publisher black hole that doesn't personally respond to anything as opposed to the people that actually live and breathe video games is pointless, there's nothing to be gained. You can't have a dialogue with a corporation like EA, you might as well yell at a brick wall.
Zant unfortunately making a stand on this won't matter because the mindless masses that lap up cod and fifa every year will buy this in droves regardless.
Yep. All I hear is blah blah corporate spiel.
That justification for loot boxes was utter bullshit. Everything he said about "trying new things" and all that bullshit CAN STILL BE DONE WITHOUT GETTING CUSTOMERS TO PAY MORE MONEY!
He was avoiding the question (I get why) asked if it was an EA decision. We all know it was and anyone who thought this guy was going to come on and point the finger at them they are living in an alternate dimension. This is a business decision more and more large publishers are pushing because people are suckers. There are a shit ton of people ready willing and able to pay extra for loot boxes. Until those people decide not to buy them they will always exist. Its sad but its how it going to be.
Remember Battlefield 4? How you could progress in each individual class? I'd play a class for a while and switch for whatever situation was needed on the map at the time. How hard is it to do that in Battlefront? I mean you could do that in the original Battlefront 2 and that had a progression system in it back in 2005 even tho it was very basic, remember the Award Assault Rifle etc? There is perfect working formulas from past games, what is being done nowadays is just ruining all AAA games and giving them shorter lives. People want freedom in games, they don't want to be forced to open multiple lootboxes to get an item they have seen on another player, they want to find out the way to get it and work for it.
Tru.. But u gotta give them credit for answering critics, making some changes, and interacting. Most companies wouldn't. Here's a fact.. They want to make more money. They will design games to achieve this. At the end, we just don't want extreme pay to win
Of course it was. The guy can't smack talk the people that have his job in their hands. He has to pretend like everything is great.
so what EA is selling an 80$ (CAD) participation trophy?
This was hard to watch. I wanted Joe to cuss this dude out so bad hahahaha
If this guy wanted to be honest he should have said “because we want to make all the money. We figured out how to legalize gambling towards kids and we want to make all the money in the world”
SSJAUTOBOT kids shouldxxn't be playing m rated games in the first place they also dont have all the funds in the world there parents do they are partly to blame
You are completely missing the point. Frankly, I think "gambling" (which it's not) in a RATED M game is fine. Kids shouldn't even be playing this and if they are, they shouldn't have a way to actually purchase
Daren Colby It is gambling, what do u understand for gambling? U place an amount of money and get a random reward. Dindt like It? Put more money in. It is gambling
Yeah there are some very convenient talking points that enable them to dance around the issue and act like they’re helping. Sort of like what I see happening with Activision’s new system, they’ll be able to say they’re looking at individual’s data to better tailor the game to our style/skill level/etc., but in reality they’ll be using it to try to get us to spend more on MTs (E.g. actually have beginners play against advanced players with better guns so they want to go get those better guns).
SSJAUTOBOT They might as well there not being subtle anymore with this bs
Honestly, he just keeps talking but it all sounds like excuses to me.
He says that lootboxes offer new opportunities to play, but why does it have to cost money? The EA guy is just talking bullshit.
James Bomb BECAUSE THEY NEED TO MAKE FUCKIKG MONEY
BECAUSE OF LOOT BOXES WE HAVE FREE CONTENT
Stitchowi
The game would print money without lootboxes. In the end of the day its all just dirty greed.
Stitchowi Other games have dat without loot boxes
Stitchowi Wait how does Warframe do it then? It has no retail price and releases free updates. Could it be that they aren't as greedy as the EA folcks?
Joe should've asked: how do lootboxes fit into the star wars universe?
imagine if EA made Star Wars movies and put lootboxes in the canon
I know this is an old video , I’ve been watching you for a while now and I appreciate everything you alex and other joe do for us gamer but I like to say thank you for always asking the hard question while everyone bends the knee when it gets tough. Again thank you
Great interview Joe. You were hitting him with some hard questions and didn't let up. Thank you for doing the stream beforehand where you gathered our questions and then addressed our concerns with him.
You say he didn't let up...then the comment above you says "You had him on the ropes and let him go". Which is it?
teamhex That was a different person genius. He doesn't think for another person.
What are you talking about this was terrible. That dice representative played him like a damn fiddle.
2012 Joe would've fought him on the side of the street
Megumi sonic free riders reference lol
he actually said "we listened to beta players" I highly doubt any of those beta players said "THIS GAME NEEDS PAY TO WIN LOOT BOXES!"
its not p2w they changed it
How do you know they are pay to win? Have you encountered someone who has bought them and had an advantage? No. Fucking spewing out false information. Disgusting
paul Z Except it wasnt pay to win.
Its pay for a CHANCE to get something you MAY or MAY not like that WILL get EVENTUALLY NERFED.
DonkeyHub YT False information, are you really this dense? Do you need a step by step breakdown of why the system is pay to win? Do you need step by step manuals for basic math as well? Progression is still tied to loot boxes and star cards, it's not rocket science.
Garrett Howard Yeah, so the person that spends more money on loot boxes gets more chances than those who don't. It's really not hard to figure out how it's pay to win. You can buy loot boxes which gives you progression, which in turn grants gameplay advantages. If that's not pay to win please explain how it isn't, I'll wait.
Don't buy any EA games, they are always over priced with half the content, releasing the rest of the game as paid for DLC, then throwing in micro transactions. Don't let them get away with releasing half baked unfinished money grabs they call games. Vote with your $$$. The industry needs a change for the better.
i feel sad for all the companies EA own especially Bioware. Let them do their own games PLEASE!
two words black box
Gotta get rid of the nasty CEOs first. Right now we got some suits who hate video games but love making money for their business
Joe:Can you tell me the reason for the lootboxes to be in the game?
EA guy: Money
Joe: Yeah, but, is there any mechanics related reason?
EA guy: yeah,money
Joe: do you have any idea what is this video about?
EA guy:...money?
I only care about the mahney!
Lmfao!
EA is Mr Crabs
The sad thing is that it wouldn't made that much of a different in the grand scheme of things, the mass consumer would still buy the game no matter what.
EA guy: So, you're gonna buy our game(and loot boxes)?Me: No, I'm gonna pirate that shit.
You know EA probably had 10 guys with machine guns surrounding him off frame of the camera
Facts!
Kames Konah Kamseon Who needs guns, when a signature on a dotted line is enough to destroy his career and currently sustained lifestyle?
yhea
Probably reading from a teleprompter.
If you can actually say, "Loot boxes are necessary", with a straight face, you sir are the problem.
CD Projekt RED should be doing this game.
Gabriel Lemut but I don't want to wait 8 years for a new game from them.
they are the AAA studio who have games feeling like indie games and thats awesome
I think our boi respawn is making a star wars game.
Rune But I rather have a fantastic game other than a micro transactions pay to win game.
This sure didn't age well lol
"Some players will have no concerns about this", yeah that's what you're banking on isn't it? Speaks volumes.
Zant Yeah, the casual tards that are murdering gaming. Having games being made easier for them wasn’t enough, selling game in multiple part (sorry, I meant « DLC ») wasn’t enough, now we have to implement fBLEEEPing mobile style gambling in 70€ games...
To be honest I don’t mind any of it. It’s a fun game, and that’s all I really expect of any game I play. Balancing won’t be an issue with the multi class system. Even if one person is playing class that is objectively better than the base equivalent, players can change to a different class to counter it. I’m open to other opinions on the matter though.
Yes, your class should revolve around one player. /s
Battlefront isn't a MOBA.
You should change your name to "Rant" because thats all you do...
Zant I don't actually have concerns about the loot boxes. I'd way rather have loot boxes compared to paid dlc. I'm getting free dlc so I'm happy. Since I played the beta, it was extremely easy for me to get loot boxes so I really didn't care. And I never felt like I lost a gunfight because someone had a star card that he got from a loot box. And they changed them since the beta and made them better. And you have to remember, the gaming industry is a business, and thats an easy way to earn money for the company but its also there because games are extremely expensive to make now, and in order to have free dlc, micro transactions are there to make up the money.
So you NEED to have loot boxes to get rewards? You can't just give rewards by unlocking them by playing like shit loads of other games? I'm not sure I'm getting what he's saying.
XxJigsaw_GamesxX basicly they could've done this progression system a whole lot better
XxJigsaw_GamesxX me neither
XxJigsaw_GamesxX how he is explaining this progression is that if you play a lot of a certain class for example the assault and do all the challenges and getting kills you will obtain a supply crate specially for that class that will only give star cards for the assault.
Grenherb supply drops/crates will be in most games now some games will kill it out for extra cash some games will make it cosmetic only there is nothing we can do about it
XxJigsaw_GamesxX that was the best part about CoD weapon skins. Now it's all lootboxes and paid DLC
*"Increase player engagement",* huh... That's a *creative* way of saying *"getting our audiences hooked on GAMBLING."* Slot machines have great user engagement too. Marketing ethics. Learn it.
Just. Scrap. Lootboxes. Bigger and spaced out maps, 3 points to hold, let me pick up my clone trooper brothers in a clone ship, drop them off at a capture point, and then get shot down and die a hero.
every single one of these 'reasons' for needing the lootboxes, other games have solved for years without them.....
Lootboxes are BULLSHIT & DIRTY GREED.
I hate lootboxes, let that be known now BUT don't forget, to get these better graphics, and other things require better technology, better technology requires lots of $$$ that is not including the time it takes to make to. so lootboxes help to better cover that cost because the cost to make games keeps going up yet they HAVE NOT increased the 60$ price tag over the years. BUT I hate the whole money=gameplay I think that it SHOULD BE PURELY COSMETIC like OW lootboxes, their system is good where duplicates give you currency to buy the things you want and etc. lootboxes that give weapons like Halo 5 req system, this, SoW their lootboxes are shitty and all around greed, lootboxes that are centered around emotes or PURELY cosmetic then they are fine
Ummm they already earn their money 10 fold from sales and would get more sales without the lootboxes. So no. Complete and utter fallacy, Steel Dragon
Steel Dragon
STOP IT! Stop this bullshit argument, ffs. Look at EA, Ubisoft, Activision etc profits. Not sales, but pure profits, and tell me that they need to "cover the costs".
Steel Dragon That's entirely wrong. They already earn enough to profit from sales alone. Not much but enough for anybody taking part in the project. With classic Microtransctions the Publishers in their business suits earn more. With Lootboxes that's a whole other story. The filthy businessmen get rich. Not the Developers. Most of them had their own engine and get forced to use a certain Engine from the Publisher. Right now the Development cost of anything game related is low, the lowest it ever was.
He sounds like EA has a gun pointed at his head off screen.
And a switch to set of the gernade next to his kids
More like a Death Star pointed on the studio. Just like Viceral.
the gun is pointed at his job more likely
TheDescipable Knight kid you can't even spell "gernade" 😂
koma9sensey feelsbad ;(
nfs payback and star wars best pay2win games of late 2017 xD
AcidBurnz Yes EA set the standards really high in 2017 for most hated gaming publisher
AcidBurnz payback hurts my soul....I had some hope in that until I saw the tuning system and the lousy ass story and lame ass characters...well, kinda liked mac.
You can almost see the gun being held to his head
Thanks for sticking up for us Joe!
Viagra
PHILL SHIVELY Homo erectus is how.
Sorry you wasted 30 minutes of your life with this EA guy Joe!
He said at the end that he wants battlefront 3 to have no lootboxes. EA is major company, their main goal is to make money whether you like it or not. Joe was trying to propose ideas that would appeal to the players while simultaneously being profitable for EA.
I know what Joe is doing and trying to do, I'm all for Joe. I'm just saying, like you said, EA is a major company and its ONLY goal is to make money, whether we like it or not. So what does this all mean? Joe and his proposals is just a waste of time because at the end of the day EA don't care what Joe or any fans think, they just want dollars and euros, period.
That try at damage control backfired hard. Notanswering a single question legitimately was a bad move even from a marketing perspective. Gamers aren't THAT stupid.
Yeld i like ur avatar...
thats all i wanna say.
GreenLanternSalem I dont think those kinds of players are gonna be watching a video like this anyways.
Contrary to popular belief, a good majority are not and will act accordingly to unite against cancerous practices that need to die.
ShadowWarrior42 : Its nice to dream isnt.
Yes, they are. "Gamers" are the stupidest consumers in existence. Look at Bethesda-people have supported them endlessly despite them being literally EA levels of shitty. Gamers are retards, this game will be a massive success, pretending otherwise is naive and insane.
“Paul, Paul, Paul” LOL 😂😂😂
Am I the only one who cracked up when AngryJoe said that?
Said so much in just 3 words LOL
Kinda glad they agreed to do this. Even though it’s “lying” as most comments have said here, but it was very interesting to see them agree to at least make some sort of efforts to talk. Even if it is things we disagree profusely with.
People play games longer if its fun not because of loot boxes.
Frank West - I Covered Wars exactly but they pay only once and not over time more.
Frank West - I Covered Wars I’ve played about 1000 hours in TitanFall 2. I’ve prestiged 15 Times and i don’t gain anything when I finish a game. I ply the game because I enjoy the game.
Multiplayer worked before loot boxes. It’ll work after.
I dont know, you have to remember that this is gaming so not as easy to gain real data on each persons thoughts on a game. Though I will say, it would not surprise me if a bigger portion of the player base does decide to play for a longer period than normal, because of how they set up the progression system. For example: Last of Us had an amazing multiplayer game mode, literally on pair with other games that solely have multiplayer without a single player, yet the population in there did not have as many as other games.
Frank West - I Covered Wars if loot boxes are not bad and the game is also fun
Ex: overwatch
Then loot boxes do make a game more replay able.
Frank West - I Covered Wars but ear able loot boxes that are actually cool keep me engaged.
I definitely feel bad for Paul, EA is forcing him to answer the way he is. Almost every question was answered with "well again were trying to listen to the fans more and were gonna work with them to hopefully make this a better game" which obviously isn't true because they're not listening to the fans.
Westcheme W EA holds too much power
I wonder how much EA pays their scapegoats?
Westcheme W he has a job to keep, EA is the real villain here, all those executives people high up in the company.
Uhhhh what do you mean they are not listening to the fans? They changed loot boxes, they gave us clone wars, they gave us much more content at launch and you probably didn't know this but back in Battlefront 2015 they got much negativity for adding stormtroopers without helmets so later down the road they removed it
Angel Vazquez - Oh wow, didn't realise that thanks for the info. If that's true then I definitely don't feel bad anymore.
he totally avoided the biggest question. Typical.
"We want to improve." HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
Gives players options? No. It limits players, it shouldn't be tied to progression.
As soon as Joe asked why Loot boxes should be in the game, all I heard was stuttering and answers to questions except the one that was asked.
People pick a particular path in games, why? Because they paid 60 fucking dollars for it, they can take whatever path they want - this whole Loot boxes help players keep playing is bullshit.
Great gameplay, a great community and great, competent devs make a game replayable. Not fucking loot cards.
The fact he dances around the P2W problems and the fact that loot boxes are entirely corporate. It's disgusting, you're targeting vulnerable people to gambling with their money or just relying on people who don't care paying, either way - take a look at yourselves in the mirror.
Good on Joe for hammering home the questions about the micro-transactions whilst refusing to let them slide round - I wouldn't be surprised if the poor bastard he was interviewing had an EA lapdog pointing a gun at his head.
It's funny when a game like Warframe is free to play and it's not pay to win, and an AAA paid game is.
Yall acting like you're forced to pay money for loot crates
hiroy_raind Considering it's a F2P game and the system is still better than most Triple A games systems speaks for itself. Also it's not pay2win. What are you winning? Winning against bosses? Nobody cares about that. It doesn't hurt anyone in the Community.
Not forced. Pressured. The progression system is only tied around loot boxes instead of natural leveling. Those who don't pay for the loot boxes will be at a disadvantage to those that do.
For one, WF is free and not 60 bucks. Secondly, who are you gaining an advantage over? The AI? Yeah I'm sure they're mighty upset about it. Players in Conclave? Gear and frames are put on a level playing field. This "argument" is weak.
Shouldn't loot boxes just be for emotes and skins? Not for things that are for gameplay
Josue Cervantes not EA.
For EA games it's money = skill.
More money U pay the more u feel the satisfaction of winning or getting better, it's gambling.
Skins and emotes used to be basic things that came with full priced game, so I don't like to see them in lootboxes either.
No you should unlock them via achievements.
i should be like the overwatch boxes
Even skins, even emotes ARE a part of gameplay, they are cosmetics, yes. But cosmetics are also an essential part of gameplay and progression. RPG games wouldn't do that otherwise. Overwatch lootbox system is not perfect or good. Period.
Tough job, you had there, Joe. I understand access journalism, so I can't blame you for tip toeing a little bit after the responses, but you did ask the tough questions, and your facial expressions after answers were spot on. Good stuff overall.
Disgusting. All EA cares about money and we are just trying to play a decent Star Wars battlefront again..
lol that was total damage control and they will ignore all of it.
HE OUTRIGHT SAID THEY ARE IGNORING ALL OF IT
This EA Dice Producer was awesome!! He was like Neo from the Matrix dodging bullets when those questions kept flying at him.
Michael DA TWOPLY you make my day ! lmao
Beautiful
Lol
LMAO nice dude..
You sir are amazing. That was like poetry
Needs to look and feel authentic!
Is that why bossk was fighting yoda on starkiller base and the first order stormtroopers we’re running around with prequel era weapons
Great interview Joe! Thanks for always having the gamer's backs :)
So, EA doesn't want players to quit their games early, and in their opinion loot boxes will fix that, how? If anything no one should even touch the thing.
Someone's flashing cash. Must be compensating for something
bigevilworldwide1 $200 is all of the money grandma gave you for mowing her lawn this summer. She’d be so disappointed.
If the game is good people will stick around, period.
People with addictive personalities will keep playing, because even if the ESRB wants to deny it, Loot Boxes are gambling.
Because loot boxes no matter what way you spin it is a form of gambling. Gambling is addicting. And addiction is easy to entice and manipulate once drawn in. That’s why people end up staying for the long haul. Collectors, completionists, people who just want the best items they can get, people who like or are trapped by gambling. It’s easy to reel them all in while keeping them there with the steady release of new and better loot. And no I’m not justifying it I’m simply pointing out the shady and messed up business practices.
LOOT BOXES SHOULD ONLY BE COSMETIC!!! ESPECIALLY AFTER YOU PAY $80 FOR THE GAME.
Corporate commander will never approve it. * sigh *
Preach
OR give is the game we paid for, including cosmetics? I used to say this, too. My goodwill is gone. This isn't DLC, that's a separate issue. I paid for the game, GIVE ME MY COSTUMES. If I have to grind for an unreasonable amount of time for ANY of this, you failed.
Even cosmetics can influence a person to start gambling, since a lot is about "looking cool" too in games.
Loot boxes should just be rewards.
StronkiTube i agree somewhat. If its purely cosmetic im fine with the loot box system as it dosnt effect gameplay. If anything they should keep the loot boxs for cosmetics but rng rewards after matches. The better you do the higher the chance to get somthing good. That way it also encourages players to do better for a better chance at better rewards not only that but they can also lock some rewards behind challenges. So you have something for those who want to look cool, somthing for those who just enjoy playing the game and somthing for those who strive to be the best.
I cant believe AJ warned them of the micro aggression/ lootboxes being tied to progression was a bad idea. BF2 made an epic strikeback as the years progressed, I have to give it that. They made many new exciting updates and included a hunt mode lol
I am so proud of Gamers with all this EA/Battlefront II case. Micro-transactions emotional predatory practices have always been ridiculous and I am glad it is all being brought in to light in this fashion, finally, on a grand scale! The gaming industry messed up before in the 80's and it looks like they are on their way to mess up once more, lesson not learned it seems, but so proud for gamer reactions and backlash the right way, the way it actually makes a difference. $$$ Rejecting to consume the practices.
If a company is too embarrassed to talk about a feature in a game that no one wants, then it SHOULDN'T EVEN BE IN THE GAME!! *ahem-lootcrates*
Look you can't dog DICE out here. I hate loot boxes like these too, but DICE has really tried to push back with against EA as much as they can without getting shutdown. He was embarrassed to talk about them because he doesn't like them as they are, but EA pulls the strings on the loot boxes and I don't think he wants to lose his job
GoofballPath53 Very intelligently put, people are just mad, and projecting their anger on the producers of the game.
We need to vote with our wallets however, and properly focus our anger toward EA.
The one responsible.
Jake Runyan I'll be honest, no, I wouldn't.
I would value my artistic integrity more.
And I don't believe some of these devs are too happy with these choices they are contractually obligated to make, either.
This *is* a business, and businesses have bosses that you bend over backwards for.
In this case, it's EA, and thus, they are the ones at fault here, not DICE.
DICE has always treated their players fairly, lootboxes and malpractice is not what they are known for in the past.
This new lootbox craze is being spear-headed by production heads in companies like EA, in their attempts to normalize it as a service, in order to make more money.
The main people I feel bad for, (Besides the consumers being abused) are the devs of the games, whom not only have to make creative sacrifice on their projects due to contractual obligation, but whom also end up being the main source of criticism from the community (Since it's the only face gamers have to identify the issues with).
EA is the one making the majority of the dough, and when their OWN forced malpractice starts to ruin a franchise, they simply flush it, instead of handing over complete creative control to the dev teams.
This is what's troubling for DICE, the more intervention EA has in their games, the more consumers will get mad, which will then hurt their games, and by extension their company, until they go the way of Visceral Games.
Poor dice fuck EA so hard
To save everybody 35 minutes
Joe: Why is there lootboxes
Paul: Idk just because
repeat 10-20 times with different wording
end
heyou2424 Accurate
Haha thanks!
Or you could listen to what the guy actually said and attempt to wrap your feeble brain around it.
Thanks. I didn't feel like listening to Joe sucking off EA instead of asking the hard-hitting questions.
lol i remember the SWtor-EA guy telling the player loot boxes are ''exciting' and ''thrill of the hunt'' fcuk thses guys im done with EA. The true answer is simple...they made studies about gamers and they find out player are gamblers and they loves that kind of garbage stuff that keep them playiing but its not for me fuck this bullshit
This is so hard to watch. Interviewee was fake as hell and obviously lying and Joe wasn't hard enough (almost like the questions had to be pre-approved)
The fact that he has the ability to come on this show and try to say that microtransactions will give players options with a straight face is both impressive and disgusting at the same time
Not paying $59.99 full price for a game that has micro-transactions in it.
the micro transactions should only be vanity/appearance items, not progression or ability enhancing.
Not buying a game with loot boxes period. My game library is deep enough that I don’t have to deal with that bullshit
DJ Heitland shoot really? I cant find any new games to play so ive had to resort to playing games i played ten years ago. But yeah i here you. I have money now, unlike when i was a kid. But yet I havent bought any games in a long time, everything is a fuckin mess of a money grab. Vote with your wallet, fuck preordering and screw paying 60$ for games that are only good because of their graphics.
If I wanted to shell out for a game, I would play Warframe. Better game than this fake starwars shit.
Go a step further, Microtransactions should be honest. Loot Boxes are the cancer of the industry and should be removed as they cheat/hook the gamers instead of letting them simply purchase a unique item or earn it.
EA are evil..... will never give them credit.
Tyler Erus
EA = Evil Asswaffles
Tyler Erus not evil just greedy
Jayden Preston, no, they're evil
Tyler Erus puns
Evil corp
Thanks for getting this guy, but his entire undertone is “I’m talking with you to pretend that we care.”
Joe, you absolute legend
Thank you, Paul Keslin! Your BS just helped me save some money! :)
Definitely not getting the game now.
XD
Paul's reasoning is complete bullshit. Loot boxes prevent me from enjoying the full game, I didn't just try 3 different things back in the day. I explored everything, and now I can't until I grind for months or open my wallet to unlock everything.
Oh god forbid you have to play to get your items
Prevent? They will prevent me from ever buying it.
Jacob Evans *You have to play to get a chance at getting a certain item.
If you grind for months or spend money to unlock things then they did their job correctly.
winlover37 agreed completely
Biggup Joe for his professionalism and respectful questioning. No point in screaming at Paul and telling him that he's talking bollocks because he'll never be given another interview. Joe asked the relevant questions and put his point of view across very well. Can't wait to see Joe's review of the game now.
Joe is my man, respectable commentator, you know a critic speaks fans' hearts when he can both lash out at companies in individual videos and sit down and talk business models with folks he criticise
Forcing loot boxes to encourage different play styles is the saddest excuse. The whole point is to let players play how they want to play. Period. Then EVERYTHING is tied into these boxes! The whole balance of the game! Thats outrageous, limiting player progression to make sure everyone has the same chance to unlock boxes is baffling. I hope this game flops, hard, so maybe they learn their lesson trying to get more money from players.
drift19234 Not to mention he immediately makes the equal progression argument mute by saying skilled players can progress faster through challenges. Which is it? They want players to progress at the same rate, or they want skilled players to progress faster? They don't even know how to keep up with their bs.
drift19234 the annoying thing is it won't flop because it's a star wars game and all the casuals who aren't informed or don't keep up with this stuff will just go out and buy it because of that , or parents for an easy present
Yeah im not buying it
What, no they dont want the player to progress at the same rate. What other games do that? More skilled players will unlock shit faster than bad ones, that's how its always been.
Lol people complain about this but get hyped over an incomplete game with an expansion pass
The sooner EA go bust the better.
EA understands how the average person works, that's why they can continue with their bussiness practices. Mack, have you played any of the mods for the TRUE battlefront II, some of the maps blow even the vanilla game out of the water.
So the average consumer is dumber than SHIT. Got it (well you can't have educated consumers in a Consumer Capitalist society).
Bad news, they bought re-spawn out from under a deal with a smaller publisher (they shut down Visceral to acquire it). Titanfall is dead.
It's about knowing how to appeal to the average person, it's how marketing works.
Titanfall was dead on arrival dawg
I love how EA keeps saying "we want people to play our games for a long time to come" when their games consistently have the least amount of longevity out of any games I own.
Love Joe, he's literally is the only gamer/interviewer who will ask the tuff questions & who expresses his "real" feelings about a game. Keep it up Joe
Let's be honest with ourselves. We want to believe that they will listen, time and time again we will convince ourselves maybe this time around they will. I can see some minor things changing, but in the bigger picture it's going to boil down to the big wigs calling the shots. Their seemingly bottomless pockets will ruin our games and force us to cringe at playing games we want to love. I understand as much as anyone people need to make money but when is it ever enough.
The only thing i see that can and probably should happen is, people stop buying, game sells low and repeat this over and over on such games, even if it means sacrificing franchises and game studios, don't give it a chance simply.
I have one last thing to say about it. Prove it. You say you talk the talk.. let's see you walk the walk. You want our money then earn it as much as we do.
It'll be enough when companies stop making tons of money off these shitty practices. I hate this nonsense as much as the next guy, and I make my voice known by not only not rewarding the company for micro transactions and loot boxes, but I flat out will not buy the game at all.
Let's say you have a job. Let's say your job is going to offer you more money as well as hundreds of other people in your company. Do you quit?
They listen after they get their money. The most spend on loot boxes and any type of micro-transaction happens at the start of the game from players who are already totally aware of the fact that spending = advantage. They stopped early enough that it makes you question your belief that EA are just in it for the money and get out, but late enough that they got the lion's-share of the money they would've got.
"Durr we want people to keep playing for a long time, so loot boxes."
My guy. Do you know how fucking long people played games like Call of Duty 4, or Halo 3, games that didn't have any micro-transactions? To put things in perspective, *those communities are still around.* It's really quite simple -- make games that are GOOD, and people will play them for a long time. A game's quality should speak for itself, and it shouldn't need to have bullshit stuffed into it to artificially create longevity.
Conversely, if a game is bad, it's bad. Releasing it in such a state and then saying, "don't worry Joe, we'll address some of those concerns POST-launch!" is ridiculous. If EA's that worried, maybe they should delay the game's release instead of putting out an inferior product in time for the fucking holiday season. Games like Persona 5 and Breath of the Wild were delayed multiple times to make sure the quality was there, AT RELEASE, and you know what? Those are damn near *perfect* games.
Those games that you mentioned have paid DLC by the way. People still do play them, but then again people still play just about every game. The only difference is how many people quit before a DLC was released and didn't justify paying for it? In this game all future DLC is free so people who play casually or get bored can come back to the game when new free DLC is released. I basically do this right now on Overwatch. I get bored and quit for a month or two then a new map or character comes out and I come back. As for the lootboxes, they ain't an issue if you play the game you get them for free. People crying over them haven't figured out how easy they are to unlock without spending any real money...
Paid DLC, e.g. map packs that have nothing to do with player progression, are not at all the same thing as lootboxes. I'm not sure if you watched this video, or the rant that preceded it, but Joe broke it down pretty clearly: yes, you will _eventually_ unlock things for free in this game, but it will take you *hundreds* of hours to get it all. Why? So that you buy the lootboxes instead. I'm glad you've apparently "figured out" how to get around this problem in a game that hasn't actually been released yet, but I don't know what your point is here. The promise of free DLC in the future is empty, it means nothing. It's only happening because they've found a logical progression for their greed. Unlike new maps, these lootboxes are inherently tied to progression, they affect gameplay significantly. EA doesn't _need_ to charge for DLC anymore, see? This is a much, much better scam
DLC and lootboxes are two completely different things.
Exactly this. And damn I miss Halo 3.
Loot boxes will never equal more game time. I can put more time into Super Metroid than most games today because its so repayable with all the sequence breaks, clean fluid movement, awesome atmosphere and music. These things don't matter anymore. So sad.
Jeremy Vagrant seriously. Im fucking sick of playing games i played ten years ago!!
Do you like Pie?
"We have a lot of feedback from Pie eaters saying they enjoy Pie, this is largely due to the ingredients that have gone into the Pie. Sugar as one is a major factor to the enjoyment of the Pie but also we can't overlook the filling and let us not forget that a filling can be a selection of various things.... bleh blah bluh."
I’m impressed by Joes ability to hold back and keep his composure while talking to this dude. I know the angry persona is for the show but as a gamer I don’t think I could’ve stayed so calm with some of his answers and pussyfooting around some questions
At this point I think Joe did put back his own hate and tried his best to get EA in a real conversation (which didn't work) because he probably wants to see BF 2 succeed, which on the other hand would mean that more of the blaming they give EA from all sides (justified of course) wouldn't help much in that situation.
It's unusual for Joe to hold back that much, so there clearly clearly has to be a different purpose in Joe's mind than to beat a dead horse.
"Lootcrates are sometimes a NECESSITY to kind of ALLOW PLAYERS to gain access to..." WHAT THE F ARE YOU EVEN SAYING!? Necessity my ASS.
I was thinking that myself... they're a necessity? You mean with a budget the likes of EA and Dice they couldn't even think of another creative way to introduce progression that allows for players with skill to progress at an appropriate rate while still allowing bad players to progress? How about a Steam style market system? Maybe a free loot crate every day, or every level up?
Bane: "Your money has always been the only thing we cared about."
John Daggett: "What are you?"
Bane: "I'm EA's mouthpiece. Here to end the borrowed time you've all been living on! If you think lootboxes are bad, wait until you see what will replace them in the future!"
John Daggett: "You're pure evil!"
Bane: "I'm *necessary* evil for the stock holders!"
Frawns I was BEGGING OUT LOUD for Joe to follow up on that comment. "Can you give me an example of the type of content that paid progression loot boxes are necessary to experience?" But I knew he wouldn't do it, too aggressive. Gotta be nice in these types of interviews or you don't get more of them in the future.
N E C *A S S* I T Y
Lets not aim the hate at Paul though, remember he's just the spokeperson, not the one dealing out the shitty lootbox practice.
don't shoot the messenger lol
Deej from Bungie gets the same treatment. It's hard for these community managers, even though Paul isn't one, he's probably just the guy that drew the short straw, when the companies they work for make stupid decisions because most of the blame and hate will be thrown at the community managers.
leonthesleepy No, aim it squarely into his face - especially in this specific interview. He’s representing the Dev team and EA. There’s no reason to pull any punches. This isn’t about hurting somebody’s feelings. It’s about refusing to let $60 games turn into some garbage mobile market filled with Clash of Clans business models. They need to hear that message loud and clear. If he’s going to shoulder the responsibility of interacting with the consumer, then he’s the guy that needs to hear it the loudest.
In this case I agree with you, Paul is in a position where he can actually do something with the feedback he gets. Most of the time though its the community managers who get stuck with the brunt of the hate because they are the 'public face of the game' so to speak.
Can we dismiss him entirely for choosing to stand there and tell us with a straight face complete and utter falsehoods?
I'm sure the guy offscreen with the gun will fire if he doesn't do the interview.
Dice, like bioware and other companies chose to get in bed with EA knowing full well what they're like... you'll forgive my lack of sympathy.
Joe you are one of the real game critics out there right now that calls out all the BS that these gaming companies spew out to the public(because of one reason they are easy to coerce into buying their products).
Dear Joe,
I'm just one fan but I do hope you read this.
Been following your show for years, and our gaming taste is so similar, it's amazing.
Your rant represents me 100% EVERY TIME which makes you GREAT in my eyes.
However I do have one point I'd like to make across:
If you hate Battlefront 2 and the evil system surrounding it so much - be a man of action, and boycott it. Don't stream it, don't cover it.
Give your rant in full facecam and don't show ANY footage.
You will lose a few bucks.
But you can't expect EA to not to try microtransactions for a few bucks, if you yourself can't lose a few bucks to truly reject it.
As a wise man once said - with great power comes great responsibility.
Bro you could tell the whole time that joe was not buying his shit 😂🔥
Ricky Payne dude omfg right!!!
Lol 😂
Tyler D that is the third time I've seen you repeating that comment that I'm starting to wonder if you're an EA plant to attack Joe's credibility among the fanbase. Joe is being diplomatic and welcoming but by no means buying what this PR man is selling.
Poor guy forced to spill out EA bullcrap...
he signed himself over to the devil
Jeremy Gullatt Chances are EA pays well so....
YES, poor guy. Have you ever had an excellent job that you would prefer to keep ? probably not. Chances are EA or Dice sent out the young greenhorn millennial to back up their bullshit. doubt the kid wants to do it, he's walking a fine line here. basically getting fucked by his boss.
mcgman 80 Agree, I feel sorry for the guy. Nobody would feel comfortable in his position, gotta admit it takes guts to do this interview, even if his answers are completely scripted.
Andres Teare this guy probably feels the same way as us, knowing his piece of work is getting shit on/ruined because of people above him trying to squeeze money out of it
It never ceases to amaze me that games company have managed to convice gamers that a 'star card' has some kind of monetary value.
Its not even a card.
Literally re-buying pixels and a couple of lines of code which already live on the disc you bought for £50.
This guy is what is known as a spin doctor. He knows the answer to the "how long to grind" question. Answering it would have been an absolute fiasco.