I'm touched by how John Daly & the entire panel tried to make Mrs. Sholes at home when it was obvious she was nervous being on TV for the first time. They are gracious and classy. 🥰
And, it was nice that Bennett's comment got her tickled & then she got tickled again w/ the comments about the size of the fish; glad she had a good time.
genius mchaggis His small frowns indeed have some resemblance to Oliver Hardy's small frowns. And I can't resist pointing out that Laurel And Hardy did appear in a film called 'On The Wrong TREK'. :)
Arlene was completely disrespectful to Miss Hattie, the first contestant. Bennett, Steve and Miss Dorothy ALL had the common decency to display RESPECT, by STANDING when Miss Hattie walked by/in front of the panelists table.
+james joyce I felt so bad for her -- her nervousness was almost painful to watch! I hope she had a good time in spite of it, though, and I'm so glad she won a decent amount of money before Bennett guessed her line!
It has often been remarked upon that the regular panelists and the moderator were very nice people, quite decent. (Well, except Hal Block -- I myself wouldn't use "nice" or "decent" to describe him -- other adjectives come to mind in his case.) I think most of the guest panelists were decent, too, though I suspect many of them were pretty nervous themselves, even if their usual jobs involved public appearances, even on TV, because sitting on the panel, playing the game and not appearing to be foolish or ineffective might have been a bit stressful until they got used to it. I note that the regulars also did their best to make nervous guest panelists feel calmer. (Of course, there were some guest panelists who fit right in from the get-go and had a good time while they were playing the game -- and didn't go 100% into trying to make people laugh without actually contributing to the game process. Groucho wasn't nervous at all as a guest panelist and was hilarious, but he totally disrupted the game, and Victor Borge, much to my surprise, was similar to Groucho -- all about getting laughs and no attempt to ask useful questions.)
ToddSF 94109 I feel a need to defend poor Hal, but otherwise I completely agree with you! I think Hal was a troubled soul and had "some difficulties in the propriety department," to say the least, but I think deep down he was also a nice and caring person, and there are even a few moments evidencing that in the few available WML episodes we have with Hal on the panel.
@@ToddSF, I found Fred Allen, when he was a panelists member, would be rude and/or mean spirited towards some of the contestants, and NOT in any joking manner either. In fact, when some of our family & friends would gather together and we would watch this game show videos here on CZcams with only one of us seeing the contestants jobs/careers and the rest of us trying to be the first to guess the correct answer as to the contestants jobs/careers, BOTH Hal Block & Fred Allen were the ONLY two panelists that people found distasteful. Hal Block with his crude comments towards the females, and Fred Allen for his rude and/or mean spirited treatment towards male AND female contestants alike.
Mark Richardson Thanks for your reply. If by any chance you could post the link to the article, l would appreciate it. I only found basic information like birth and death dates, and the obituary of her daughter (which I linked in a separate comment in this thread, above) when I searched her name on the internet the other day.
99% sure. I'm 100% sure they're all early episodes and that there are around 12 to 15 shows total with problems, out of almost 500. I edited these well over a year ago and, unfortunately, didn't note which ones had these problems. Now it's very hard to scan for them, since they occur very sporadically. I do appreciate the comments alerting me-- I usually just make a note in the description, but occasionally will pull shows down after I review them-- if they're too hard to follow.
The dates actually aren't wrong; the real mistake here is that I accidentally added three episodes from 1954 (including Fred Allen's debut) out of order. This is all thanks to a certain clunkiness in the youtube interface which led me to mistakenly believe that those 1954 shows were the next in order to post, which they clearly aren't. Thanks for the heads up, or I probably wouldn't have noticed this at all.
Found it amusing that around 16:16 Miss Killgallen comments that no one makes hats for horses; on a later episode (can't recall which on exactly) they featured a lady who, indeed, made hats for the carriage horses in Charleston, SC!
AthenaeusGreenwood That's a great bit of detecting. Lovely to know. Look forward to seeing that one in a few years time the rate I'm going!! "Nobody would have a job making hats for horses!!!" (off goes the research team to find someone for a future episode) :)
Can you imagine going on live as a guest on the most popular TV panel show of the day and being in the firing line for question after question by these four? Especially when it may not be concretely yes or no in certain cases. And especially when it's YOUR line, you should be the expert. You could be a laughing stock if you're not on the ball. The pace has to stay lively. The mood has to be effervescent. Don't dry up, don't get tongue-tied! They do so well these people.
Come on, I'm pretty sure any panellist on a panel show today would stand up to shake her hand too. Here in the UK they would anyway, I can't speak for other country's panel shows!!....but then I wouldn't know for sure even of that, I cancelled my TV licence so if they would do it I wouldn't be watching anyway!! :)
+Johan Bengtsson He was having a bit of a "manual dexterity" problem. ;) This would be another good moment to remember if Gary ever wants to do another Bloopers video! :)
Van Johnson spent the last six years of his life in the Tappan Zee Manor assisted living facility in Nyack, NY. When my family first moved to a town bordering Nyack when I was 8 years old, it had been the Tappan Zee Motor Lodge. At one time the facility was quite visible from the north/west bound lane of the NY State Thruway near Exit 11 but trees block the view now. And as might be expected, it is about a mile west of the western end of the Tappan Zee Bridge. This general location in particular and Nyack in general has been a very important part of my life. Two of my jobs after I graduated from college were in Nyack. Two of my best friends in junior/senior high school (one no longer living, the other still a good friend) lived in Nyack. Two other very important people in my life I met in Nyack. The road that crosses the Thruway at Exit 11 and provides access to the Tappan Zee Manor is the same road on which the church I attended from 2004 to 2012 is located (a little less than ½ mile north of the TZ Manor). On an even more personal note, on October 20, 1981, members of the Black Liberation Army and Weather Underground robbed a Brink's armored vehicle at the Nanuet Mall about 2 miles west of Exit 11. One of the guards was murdered; the other survived but later died in the attacks on 9/11/2001 while making a delivery for Brink's in the North Tower. His name was Joseph Trombino. A roadblock was set up on the entrance ramp at Exit 11 to block getaway vehicles from crossing the Tappan Zee Bridge. Four police officers stopped what they correctly assessed to be the yellow Honda and U-Haul truck that the robbers were driving when they switched vehicles. In the ensuing gun fight, two police officers were murdered, Edward O'Grady and Waverly Brown (the latter was the first black police officer on the Nyack police force). The other two officers were injured. The Nyack Post Office where I worked for 3 months in 1976-77 was named in honor of O'Grady, Brown and the Brink's guard who died on 10/20/81 (Peter Paige). A plaque at Exit 11 honors the three who were murdered that day.. My other job in Nyack was with the Nyack Housing Authority from March 1980 to June 1983. On October 20, 1981, I was married and my normal routine after work was to pick up my stepson from his babysitter's home. The route that I took to get there would have taken me directly past that roadblock and over the bridge that crosses over the Thruway at Exit 11 and the Tappan Zee Manor around the time of the shootout. But as fate would have it, I had another task to do that day and that both delayed me and took me on a different route to my stepson's babysitter's house. Would my car have been detoured from getting close to that location at that fateful moment? Perhaps. However, one person actually stopped her vehicle on the Thruway overpass to watch the shootout and one of the participants in the robbery trying to get away kicked the two occupants out of that car and stole it. So civilian vehicles were in the vicinity when the gunfire occurred. I will never know how close I came to being in the middle of that terrible scene, perhaps not surviving it to tell the tale today. All I can say is that my personal faith tells me that if I was spared, it was for a reason. Now it's up to me to make the most of it. Hopefully I've made a positive difference in at least some lives.
Are you a fellow Rockland-er? I won't blame you if you don't want to admit it publicly. (Nyack is the only part of Rockland that doesn't pose the health risk of leading to death by boredom.)
+What's My Line? My, my, it's a small world after all. While I consider myself a New Yorker, having been born in Queens and raised there until pert near my 8th birthday, and I returned to NYC shortly after college to live in Brooklyn and Manhattan for about a year, the rest of my life so far (besides going to Cornell) has been living in various places in Rockland County in NY (not Rockland, Maine, the home of the sardine packer). Most people from Queens who fled to the suburbs, fled to Long Island. My mom, who grew up in Youngstown (OH), didn't want to move to a "flat sandbar." So we moved to Blauvelt. (First syllable rhymes with "aw", not "ow", thank you very much.) No one knows where it is. Even the commuter bus route turned away from it at the border! I went to grammar school there and the local Presbyterian church (which just closed in October after 204 years in existence), then to private school in Congers from grades 6-12. I've never actually lived in Nyack, but after Blauvelt, I've lived in Piermont, New City and Suffern. Gary, you would be familiar with much of the following, but for the benefit of the others ... There isn't much to do or see in Rockland. Once you've seen the 76 House (oldest continuing restaurant in NY State) where John Andre, British spy and collaborator with Benedict Arnold, was held prisoner before they tried and hung him, or George Washington's HQ (both of these places in Tappan, emphasis on the 2nd syllable, thank you), you've seen just about the only attractions in the county. It's a place where show business celebrities go to be secluded: mostly Sneden's Landing (Ellen Burstyn and Bill Murray, among others) or South Mountain Road (Burgess Meredith. Maxwell Anderson, Kurt Weill and Lotte Lenya among others). And of course, there was the Grand Dame of theatre, Helen Hayes in Nyack. One of my dearest friends from my private school days who I continue to be friends with, lived for a number of years on a riverfront portion of her property. (No, I never met Miss Hayes' adopted son, James MacArthur to tell him, "Book 'em, Danno.") Going to private school, I knew a number of kids who lived in these wealthy circles, but none of their wealth rubbed off on me. :-( Rockland now boasts a mall that rivals the Mall of America in size (depending upon which measure you use, the Palisades Mall is either first or second) with a Ferris wheel and a hockey rink in addition to its stores and food court. And that's about the only other thing to see in Rockland. Otherwise, you go up to West Point or down to NYC if you want something interesting. The fact that Google/You Tube flags the name of the county as a spelling error should tell you something. But there is a lot of nice parkland, some of which boasts some great hiking trails, recreational facilities and/or fabulous views of the Hudson River. As I recall, the group learned that you now reside in Arizona, quite a "fur piece" from Rockland. When did you high tail it out of here?
Well, Rockland does have one other major claim to fame, or infamy, depending on your point of view. The statue outside the Rockland County courthouse in New City was the inspiration for a hilarious episode of "Everybody Love Raymond" in which Raymond's mother, Marie, makes an modernist sculpture that she's totally unaware turned out a lot less "abstract" looking than she intended: it's unmistakably reminiscent of. . . well. . . female genitalia. I swear an oath that my friends and I, in high school, used to get a huge laugh out of showing that statue to anyone who wasn't already aware of it-- and this was years before the "Everybody Loves Raymond" episode! When I saw the episode years later, I said at the time, "That HAS to have been inspired by the Rockland County courthouse statue. Has to have been." But it wasn't till I bought the series on DVD, years after **that**, that I heard it confirmed in the episode commentary by the show's executive producer, Phil Rosenthal (who grew up in Rockland, not Long Island!) If you managed to escape living in Rockland for all the time you did without knowing what I'm referring to (or for anyone else reading this who's curious. . .), you can see it here ("Anatomically Incorrect in Rockland"): weirdus.com/states/new_york/roadside_oddities/gigantic_genetalia/index.php And here's "Marie's Statue", from the episode of the same name of ELR: www.artnet.com/magazineus/books/finch/lawrence-rinder4-5-10_detail.asp?picnum=1 (I'd warn that these are NSFW, but one is a statue outside of a *county courthouse*, and the other is a screenshot from a family show that aired at 9pm on CBS Monday nights!) I was actually born in Rockland, and like most from my generation born in Rockland, my parents had migrated from the City when they married and had kids. The kids, however, were all so soul deadened growing up in a nothing-do-to, cultureless suburban wasteland-- nothing but malls, bowling alleys, and video rental stores-- that we all couldn't wait to escape back to NYC as soon as possible! (Incidentally, the mall you're thinking of, no doubt, is the Palisades Center in West Nyack. It's big, but it's nowhere NEAR as big as the Mall of America. Not even close!) After college, I lived in Rockland for a couple more unpleasant stretches of a few years each. I moved to Arizona from San Francisco a little over a year ago. As for why I'm living in Arizona now, well, I'd still be in San Francisco if I had my druthers, but the city has completely priced the middle class out. Rental prices are actually worse than Manhattan the last several years, which is something I never thought would be possible in my lifetime unless Manhattan was burned to the ground. So I had to move somewhere affordable, I have a close friend in the area, and Flagstaff is a nifty little non-Arizona-ish city with non-desert weather where I was able to afford home ownership, at long last. So that's the very long answer. :)
+What's My Line? First of all, "Everybody Loves Raymond" was not among the shows I watched. And during it's run, I got rid of cable TV or any other means of getting television programs on 8/1/1998. The only exception is those networks like CBS that provides access to their current programs and some classic TV for free (the rest by subscription). But at least now I know what happened to Remington Steele's assistant. As for the statue, I've been at the Rockland County Courthouse a number of times. I served on a jury (civil trial: talk about an oxymoron) back in May 2009. And had to report for jury duty a few other times. And there were times when I needed to go to the county clerk's office or the DMV when it was still located in the county government complex at that location. I also lived just off of the road that goes west of the courthouse from Dec. 1981 to New Year's Day 1984. So I traveled through there all the time, bought things in the strip (no pun intended) mall catty corner to the courthouse lawn and so on. Honestly, when I've taken aptitude tests, the thing I score lowest on is art appreciation. And based on the height of the statue, I probably just walked by it, saw that it was abstract art of some kind, didn't crane my neck to look up at it, may have assumed it represented a leaf and continued on without another glance. I know this will sound self-serving, but I'm not sure my mind works that way. (Marie's statue from the TV show looks like a fish tail to me.) I yam what I yam. Palisades Center is currently the 10th largest in the U.S. and 2nd largest in the U.S. As I recall, when it opened in 1998, it ranked considerably higher nationally. Also, Mall of America is much larger now with the additional 5.4 million sq. ft. of floor space being added with Phase II to the existing 2.5 million sq ft. of retail floor space. In contrast, Palisades Center has 2.22 million sq. ft of retail space, but it also has an additional 250,000 sq. ft. of potential retail space with is blocked off by a temporary wall and requires a public referendum (or an end run around one) to make use of it. So when only Phase I of Mall of America is counted (which was only part of the Mall of America in 1998 when Palisades Center opened) the retail areas are much closer. As far as non-retail space, it is difficult to compare because both have some large attractions. Mall of America has a small amusement park indoors. Palisades Center has a Ferris wheel, a merry-go-round , the world's tallest indoor ropes course, a rock climbing wall, bowling alley and game center, a 40,000 sq. ft. indoor go-kart facility, and an indoor pro size hockey rink (the rink alone is 17,000 sq. ft., but there is also areas for benches, seating and standing room for spectators, locker rooms, maintenance equipment storage, skate rental and sharpening facilities, and a place where the Zamboni is kept when it isn't resurfacing the ice). My recollection was that back in 1998, one had more retail space but the other had more total floor space. But it's obviously much different now. I think that my going to private school in Congers starting in 6th grade and hobnobbing with the children of actors, Time Magazine editors, playwrights, a philosopher who also served as an Assistant Secretary of State and who eventually founded the National Humanities Center, and others of this part of society helped expand my horizons beyond the first mall (Nanuet), the bowling alley, the drive in theaters, and all the other elements we see reflected in the story of Brenda & Eddie (Billy Joel) and "The Wonder Years". That said, you are absolutely right: the most interesting thing to do in Rockland County is usually to go to Manhattan ... or perhaps to a few of the sports venues or museums in the outer boroughs and the rest of the NYC metropolitan area. We do have our own minor league baseball park now. It seats 4500 people and twice as many mosquitoes. It is the home of the Rockland Boulders, our county's own professional baseball team, a member of the independent Can-Am League since 2011. All the fun happened after you left! I have only been to Arizona once and basically did a "V" around Flagstaff. In July 2010, I flew into Sky Harbor Phoenix, attended a convention there, rented a car and drove through Payson to Holbrook and then took I-40 east to do a circuit around the Rocky Mountain states, going through the NW corner of Arizona including the Virgin River Gorge on I-15 en route to Las Vegas, and then headed south to cross back into Arizona at Laughlin/Bullhead City (the Hoover Dam bypass wasn't completed yet) to Kingman, then south on US 93 and US 60 (with a detour onto AZ 74 so I could ride on a portion of Carefree Highway, big Gordon Lightfoot fan that I am) and then back to Phoenix and a flight home. (I wasn't driving a flatbed Ford, so I didn't go to Winslow, AZ.) I spent part of my honeymoon in SF, staying in a hotel near Fisherman's Wharf and Pier 39. My detective skills tells me that a frequent poster (besides you) on this channel is quite familiar with that area. I've flown in and out of SF international two other times, but I went south to San Jose each time and didn't go into the city proper. I haven't know many people in Rockland with the first name of Gary, but no doubt our paths crossed at some point. (That was you?) And depending upon how close you are to my age (64), or if you lived near where I lived at some point, we might know some of the same people. Six degrees of Kevin Bacon and all that.
I also grew up in Nyack in the same era. I was surprised to hear the shootout on the news as I had moved to Chicago by then. I lived along 9W a half mile north of the blinking light at Old. Mt. Road and S. Broadway.
I should also add, I've only found three more after this point with glitches from scanning the files, which of course doesn't mean I haven't missed some in other upcoming episodes. But I can't rewatch every show before I upload, it's just not feasible.
I could not possibly object to glitches, having so many of them myself. THANK YOU for all your hard work in uploading these delightful episodes for us all to enjoy.
Mate, you've done a nice job with all this. Glitches are to be forgiven if not half-expected, come on people! I work in music, recording and production and as it's the 1950s, let alone it being the 60s or the 70s, I absorb the issues in this instance as they come with no difficulty. It would be a HUGE job and challenge to try and restore any of the lost audio or video. I don't even think forewarning is necessary. My only wish is that the title didn't include the name of the mystery guest, ha ha!! But then having the big name draws the person searching for thst name.
@@davidsanderson5918 I've been watching the playlist through, and when they just start up after the end of the previous episode, I remain unaware of the guests identity!
@@Amcsae . That happens to me occasionally when it is a long gone political figure, but if it is an entertainer or actor I pep up because I like to see them at themselves.
You know the game is legit when a contestant is voided because of a newspaper article about Van Johnson's appearance on the show. On the other hand, maybe they did it to avoid a possible scandal.
For what it's worth, assuming it is the same Lynne Gordon, IMDB credits the person who appeared as the final challenger on this episode with hosting her own television talk show in Canada in 1977 and then appearing in 26 episodes of a Canadian show from 1981-87 ("Seeing Things") where the main character was a Toronto newspaper reporter who had visions which helped him solve crimes. She also played herself on CHIPs in 1980 and had a smattering of other credits.
Lynne Gordon was quite famous in Canada for much more than her television work. Working in broadcasting in Toronto during that time I knew her slightly, but enough to be sure that despite the IMDB listing, the final challenger was not the same lady. Lynne, the future actress, at that time was married to John Faulk, a radio personality who was fired by CBS and blacklisted along with Lynne. She could not even get behind-the-scenes production work. They moved to Texas, hired lawyers and sued AWARE Inc, which was the blacklisting authority. In 1960 Faulkner won $3.5mil damages, but immediately left his wife as soon as he picked up the cheque. Their story was broadcast in the 1975 TV movie “Fear on Trial” (on CBS). (She was shocked to find that CBS made her out to be the villain, not the victim, of the marriage breakdown, so she in turn successfully sued CBS.) Meanwhile she had moved to Canada and had a successful career in consumer advocacy, women’s rights, television, and public service. She wrote an autobiography (which I admittedly haven’t read) but would be very surprised if it mentions any appearance on WML Certainly not on the CBS network which had just fired and blacklisted her husband and made her own employment in NYC impossible. Plus, the future actress Lynne Gordon and John Faulk had a fashionable address in Manhattan, were close friends of such people as David Susskind, Myrna Loy, and Walter Cronkite. Faulk had also been a panelist on John Daly’s show It’s News To Me up to his blacklisting, so surely all the WML panelists knew his wife. So no, she ain’t the same lady.
Some confusion likely arises because the actress Lynne Gordon (not the hypnotist) actually did play a hypnotist in the 1972 film “The Hot Rock” starring Robert Redford and George Segal. Googling can be a tricky business….
@@petemarshall8094 Thank you for the clarification. That was why I included the word "assuming" in my initial post. I wasn't quite sure and I know that IMDB isn't always accurate. In the past, I have tried to correct IMDB when I had proof (like sending a video clip that included opening or closing credits). But they would not make the requested correction.
@@loissimmons109 I've been enjoying your WML research and comments for many years, and hope they continue. It adds greatly to my appreciation of the show. So far out of the contestants, I've identified my son's great-aunt, my lawyer's wife's uncle, my mother's old boss from the 1950s (AC Nielson), the man who manufactured my dad's kilt, and a former soldier who shared his dry socks with my grandfather during WWII. Many times I've relied on your research to get a handle on average people living in those remarkable times, and I'm always fascinated by how they fit into history - both macro and micro. Please keep sharing your great research!
I'm not a doctor, but I'll play one on CZcams. Dorothy's long thin neck appears to have an irregular right vena jugularis interna, which skews to the right and can be visually disconcerting. It does not follow, however that this contributed in any way to her early demise.
The panelists shaking hands of the contestants was a relatively new thing. For the longest time in the earliest shows, Dorothy might have looked at a contestant's hands, but panelists did not shake hands with anyone except for the mystery guests.
When Lynne Gordon signs in, after saying "Lynne" at 19:56 John drops in a quiet "East". This must be a sly allusion to a Victorian novel, "East Lynne" by Ellen Wood, a melodramatic and sensational story that remained popular for many years in stage adaptations and in films and television, as recently as 1982 for the BBC.
@@sandwichman100 I think it was more of an in-show clue: the fact that the lady was from Maine. Only seafood comes to mind as an animal to eat from there.
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At least John Daly admitted it and added an extra $5.00, when he could have kept quiet. A lot of people sadly nowadays would not have owned up to such an incident.
That's incredulous that the Daily Variety and Walter Winchell would have found out from their sources about Mr. Johnson's appearance, and their editors gave the okay to print the item. He was at the height of his career at the time, as The Caine Mutiny would be released in 1954. I believe the panel would have guessed his identity with little trouble.😉
At least John Daly was HONEST with BOTH the LIVE studio audience, the television viewers, the panelists and Mr. Van Johnson about the “news” having been blabbed. It was plain as day that John Daly was DEFINITELY NOT happy.
I wonder how old Mrs. Sholes was here? Imagine what she had seen in her lifetime! If she were approx 70, then she would have been born in about 1883!! Wow.
The art of Allen's 'on the wrong track' segments (provided it's not all pre-prepared, I STILL hope not!) is that there is a YES for so many of his questions despite being way off!!
Too bad Daly nixed the MG segment, Cerf was all set to pick off the low hanging fruit as he often did. Six years later, they failed to guess MG Van Johnson.
Very very smart of the programme makers to decide to reveal the mystery guest, Just as you punish a child for misbehaviour by removing the treat....and other children seeing it happen learn from it too.....the newspapers will have surely learned their lesson ie. reveal the guest, you ruin the programme enjoyed by your readership.
John's summaries of the rules for flipping the cards have continued to be wrong much of the time as I've mentioned on earlier episodes, referring to "getting a No from the panel" more often than not. It's endearing, though, that in his careful handling of Mrs. Sholes, he pays greater attention to what he's saying, and correctly talks about "you can give them a No answer to a question" after the glitch at 4:03.
A couple observations--I think it's odd how John hugs the male contestant's arm against his body, presumably to put him at ease. I'm not suggesting there's anything untoward going on--I just find it strange. Also, I wonder why Arlene didn't offer her hand to the man.
One of the illusions of relaxed performers on TV (which Daly is) is that it's all happening naturally but of course there are meticulous plans made and margins for error. For the camera angles to work and for people's profiles to be correctly in shot on two different camera positions, they will have had to make stage markings. The guests seem to be lacking in stage direction to get into position so Daly has to coerce them subtly by drawing them closer. In any other circumstance it would look like something else but it's purely practical for the show, nothing more.
I didn’t understand that whole thing about Van Johnson. If he was able to disguise his voice and presumably the panel didn’t read about it then what difference would it have made. What am I missing?
+PepsiMama2 I hate when this happens (same deal with Tony Curtis's onetime appearance)...one can only assume everyone on the panel disqualified themselves before the show, or else they still could've played with only 3, 2 or even 1 person guessing
+Joie Fulton, as an example, apparently Sam Goldwyn accidentally blabbed to Dorothy Kilgallen that he was going to be the Mystery Guest that week, then ran into Bennett Cerf and shamefully told him he'd accidentally told Dorothy he was going to be the Mystery Guest..only two panelists played that round
I'm touched by how John Daly & the entire panel tried to make Mrs. Sholes at home when it was obvious she was nervous being on TV for the first time. They are gracious and classy. 🥰
Same. So sweet.
She is working a job at her age and many today who are decades younger don't want to work at all nowadays.
The panel was so gracious toward Mrs Sholes and made her feel at ease. Very heartwarming.
And, it was nice that Bennett's comment got her tickled & then she got tickled again w/ the comments about the size of the fish; glad she had a good time.
Dorothy is always so polite and gracious.
"Now that you've seen us, would you like to have a mask?" Classic Steve Allen. He was such a quick wit! I love it.
I wonder if such an incident where the press published who the mystery guest was in advance of the appearance happened on other occasions?
Jan Anderson I'm guessing not. It would've surely become a regular thing for the papers to do otherwise.
i love the look that steve gets on his face when the audience laughs...he ALWAYS does that!
he had an hilarious run "on the wrong track" here!
genius mchaggis His small frowns indeed have some resemblance to Oliver Hardy's small frowns. And I can't resist pointing out that Laurel And Hardy did appear in a film called 'On The Wrong TREK'. :)
LOL dave! thank you!
Dorothy stood for the lovely older lady Patty. 😍 How sweet.
I noticed that too. Such a sign of respect- we often saw that with Dorothy & Arlene.
You mean Dorothy stood. Arlene stayed seated.
Arlene was completely disrespectful to Miss Hattie, the first contestant. Bennett, Steve and Miss Dorothy ALL had the common decency to display RESPECT, by STANDING when Miss Hattie walked by/in front of the panelists table.
@@listeningeyes3298 True that Arlene didn't stand, but she acted joyfully* in greeting her. *by her expressions & in speaking to Mrs. Hattie
Arlene is very clever and always seems to be enjoying here ... very good manners too ...
John's a real gentleman!
so lovely when John and the panel go out of their way to help Mrs Sholes with her "first time on TV" nervousness
+james joyce I felt so bad for her -- her nervousness was almost painful to watch! I hope she had a good time in spite of it, though, and I'm so glad she won a decent amount of money before Bennett guessed her line!
It has often been remarked upon that the regular panelists and the moderator were very nice people, quite decent. (Well, except Hal Block -- I myself wouldn't use "nice" or "decent" to describe him -- other adjectives come to mind in his case.) I think most of the guest panelists were decent, too, though I suspect many of them were pretty nervous themselves, even if their usual jobs involved public appearances, even on TV, because sitting on the panel, playing the game and not appearing to be foolish or ineffective might have been a bit stressful until they got used to it. I note that the regulars also did their best to make nervous guest panelists feel calmer. (Of course, there were some guest panelists who fit right in from the get-go and had a good time while they were playing the game -- and didn't go 100% into trying to make people laugh without actually contributing to the game process. Groucho wasn't nervous at all as a guest panelist and was hilarious, but he totally disrupted the game, and Victor Borge, much to my surprise, was similar to Groucho -- all about getting laughs and no attempt to ask useful questions.)
ToddSF 94109 I feel a need to defend poor Hal, but otherwise I completely agree with you! I think Hal was a troubled soul and had "some difficulties in the propriety department," to say the least, but I think deep down he was also a nice and caring person, and there are even a few moments evidencing that in the few available WML episodes we have with Hal on the panel.
@@ToddSF, I found Fred Allen, when he was a panelists member, would be rude and/or mean spirited towards some of the contestants, and NOT in any joking manner either. In fact, when some of our family & friends would gather together and we would watch this game show videos here on CZcams with only one of us seeing the contestants jobs/careers and the rest of us trying to be the first to guess the correct answer as to the contestants jobs/careers, BOTH Hal Block & Fred Allen were the ONLY two panelists that people found distasteful. Hal Block with his crude comments towards the females, and Fred Allen for his rude and/or mean spirited treatment towards male AND female contestants alike.
@@ToddSF Groucho WOULDN'T SHUT UP! He reminds me a bit of Howard Stern.
Mrs. Sholes - what a dear heart. Bless her.
So funny when John fights with the cards. John 1 Cards 0.
Hattie Grace (Robinson) Sholes was born 1 Sep 1876 in Quincy, Massachusetts, died 3 Jan 1969 in Rockland, Maine. She was 77 here.
She was charming! It was very moving to se how gentle John and the panel treated her.
+stlmopoet 1969, she outlived Dorothy Killgalen ... or she lived long enough to see the show till the end.
+Sdk ElMaruecan
Both statements are true.
+Mark Richardson
Interesting! How do you know that? Was there an article about her or something?
Mark Richardson Thanks for your reply. If by any chance you could post the link to the article, l would appreciate it. I only found basic information like birth and death dates, and the obituary of her daughter (which I linked in a separate comment in this thread, above) when I searched her name on the internet the other day.
99% sure. I'm 100% sure they're all early episodes and that there are around 12 to 15 shows total with problems, out of almost 500. I edited these well over a year ago and, unfortunately, didn't note which ones had these problems. Now it's very hard to scan for them, since they occur very sporadically. I do appreciate the comments alerting me-- I usually just make a note in the description, but occasionally will pull shows down after I review them-- if they're too hard to follow.
you're doing a great job and we're very grateful - wish I's lived in that time and knew these classy people.
The dates actually aren't wrong; the real mistake here is that I accidentally added three episodes from 1954 (including Fred Allen's debut) out of order. This is all thanks to a certain clunkiness in the youtube interface which led me to mistakenly believe that those 1954 shows were the next in order to post, which they clearly aren't. Thanks for the heads up, or I probably wouldn't have noticed this at all.
Found it amusing that around 16:16 Miss Killgallen comments that no one makes hats for horses; on a later episode (can't recall which on exactly) they featured a lady who, indeed, made hats for the carriage horses in Charleston, SC!
AthenaeusGreenwood That's a great bit of detecting. Lovely to know. Look forward to seeing that one in a few years time the rate I'm going!!
"Nobody would have a job making hats for horses!!!" (off goes the research team to find someone for a future episode) :)
I believe this is the episode you are referring to: czcams.com/video/h2rvn5MRa5s/video.html
I love the old shows...heartwarming genial and fabulous!!🌟🌟🌟❤️
Can you imagine going on live as a guest on the most popular TV panel show of the day and being in the firing line for question after question by these four? Especially when it may not be concretely yes or no in certain cases. And especially when it's YOUR line, you should be the expert. You could be a laughing stock if you're not on the ball.
The pace has to stay lively. The mood has to be effervescent. Don't dry up, don't get tongue-tied!
They do so well these people.
Notices when the elderly lady did the walk of shame all the panelists stood up in respect for her. Wow where has common matters gone
Jimmy Flanagan So true. So true.
Jimmy Flanagan Arlene didnt but not holding it against her
Come on, I'm pretty sure any panellist on a panel show today would stand up to shake her hand too. Here in the UK they would anyway, I can't speak for other country's panel shows!!....but then I wouldn't know for sure even of that, I cancelled my TV licence so if they would do it I wouldn't be watching anyway!! :)
HOOAH! I noticed that too/
Arlene tactful and dazzling on this episode. 😍
Every show 😊
John fights with the flip-cards! :) 23:28
+Johan Bengtsson
He was having a bit of a "manual dexterity" problem. ;) This would be another good moment to remember if Gary ever wants to do another Bloopers video! :)
+SaveThe TPC "Dexterity"... that's a word I didn't know before but since Bennett often used it I have learned it now. :)
Perhaps he was under someone's spell. :-)
He was doing it around 8:04 too.
Van Johnson spent the last six years of his life in the Tappan Zee Manor assisted living facility in Nyack, NY. When my family first moved to a town bordering Nyack when I was 8 years old, it had been the Tappan Zee Motor Lodge. At one time the facility was quite visible from the north/west bound lane of the NY State Thruway near Exit 11 but trees block the view now. And as might be expected, it is about a mile west of the western end of the Tappan Zee Bridge.
This general location in particular and Nyack in general has been a very important part of my life. Two of my jobs after I graduated from college were in Nyack. Two of my best friends in junior/senior high school (one no longer living, the other still a good friend) lived in Nyack. Two other very important people in my life I met in Nyack. The road that crosses the Thruway at Exit 11 and provides access to the Tappan Zee Manor is the same road on which the church I attended from 2004 to 2012 is located (a little less than ½ mile north of the TZ Manor).
On an even more personal note, on October 20, 1981, members of the Black Liberation Army and Weather Underground robbed a Brink's armored vehicle at the Nanuet Mall about 2 miles west of Exit 11. One of the guards was murdered; the other survived but later died in the attacks on 9/11/2001 while making a delivery for Brink's in the North Tower. His name was Joseph Trombino.
A roadblock was set up on the entrance ramp at Exit 11 to block getaway vehicles from crossing the Tappan Zee Bridge. Four police officers stopped what they correctly assessed to be the yellow Honda and U-Haul truck that the robbers were driving when they switched vehicles. In the ensuing gun fight, two police officers were murdered, Edward O'Grady and Waverly Brown (the latter was the first black police officer on the Nyack police force). The other two officers were injured.
The Nyack Post Office where I worked for 3 months in 1976-77 was named in honor of O'Grady, Brown and the Brink's guard who died on 10/20/81 (Peter Paige). A plaque at Exit 11 honors the three who were murdered that day..
My other job in Nyack was with the Nyack Housing Authority from March 1980 to June 1983. On October 20, 1981, I was married and my normal routine after work was to pick up my stepson from his babysitter's home. The route that I took to get there would have taken me directly past that roadblock and over the bridge that crosses over the Thruway at Exit 11 and the Tappan Zee Manor around the time of the shootout. But as fate would have it, I had another task to do that day and that both delayed me and took me on a different route to my stepson's babysitter's house.
Would my car have been detoured from getting close to that location at that fateful moment? Perhaps. However, one person actually stopped her vehicle on the Thruway overpass to watch the shootout and one of the participants in the robbery trying to get away kicked the two occupants out of that car and stole it. So civilian vehicles were in the vicinity when the gunfire occurred. I will never know how close I came to being in the middle of that terrible scene, perhaps not surviving it to tell the tale today. All I can say is that my personal faith tells me that if I was spared, it was for a reason. Now it's up to me to make the most of it. Hopefully I've made a positive difference in at least some lives.
Are you a fellow Rockland-er? I won't blame you if you don't want to admit it publicly. (Nyack is the only part of Rockland that doesn't pose the health risk of leading to death by boredom.)
+What's My Line?
My, my, it's a small world after all. While I consider myself a New Yorker, having been born in Queens and raised there until pert near my 8th birthday, and I returned to NYC shortly after college to live in Brooklyn and Manhattan for about a year, the rest of my life so far (besides going to Cornell) has been living in various places in Rockland County in NY (not Rockland, Maine, the home of the sardine packer).
Most people from Queens who fled to the suburbs, fled to Long Island. My mom, who grew up in Youngstown (OH), didn't want to move to a "flat sandbar." So we moved to Blauvelt. (First syllable rhymes with "aw", not "ow", thank you very much.) No one knows where it is. Even the commuter bus route turned away from it at the border!
I went to grammar school there and the local Presbyterian church (which just closed in October after 204 years in existence), then to private school in Congers from grades 6-12. I've never actually lived in Nyack, but after Blauvelt, I've lived in Piermont, New City and Suffern.
Gary, you would be familiar with much of the following, but for the benefit of the others ...
There isn't much to do or see in Rockland. Once you've seen the 76 House (oldest continuing restaurant in NY State) where John Andre, British spy and collaborator with Benedict Arnold, was held prisoner before they tried and hung him, or George Washington's HQ (both of these places in Tappan, emphasis on the 2nd syllable, thank you), you've seen just about the only attractions in the county. It's a place where show business celebrities go to be secluded: mostly Sneden's Landing (Ellen Burstyn and Bill Murray, among others) or South Mountain Road (Burgess Meredith. Maxwell Anderson, Kurt Weill and Lotte Lenya among others). And of course, there was the Grand Dame of theatre, Helen Hayes in Nyack. One of my dearest friends from my private school days who I continue to be friends with, lived for a number of years on a riverfront portion of her property. (No, I never met Miss Hayes' adopted son, James MacArthur to tell him, "Book 'em, Danno.") Going to private school, I knew a number of kids who lived in these wealthy circles, but none of their wealth rubbed off on me. :-(
Rockland now boasts a mall that rivals the Mall of America in size (depending upon which measure you use, the Palisades Mall is either first or second) with a Ferris wheel and a hockey rink in addition to its stores and food court. And that's about the only other thing to see in Rockland. Otherwise, you go up to West Point or down to NYC if you want something interesting. The fact that Google/You Tube flags the name of the county as a spelling error should tell you something. But there is a lot of nice parkland, some of which boasts some great hiking trails, recreational facilities and/or fabulous views of the Hudson River.
As I recall, the group learned that you now reside in Arizona, quite a "fur piece" from Rockland. When did you high tail it out of here?
Well, Rockland does have one other major claim to fame, or infamy, depending on your point of view. The statue outside the Rockland County courthouse in New City was the inspiration for a hilarious episode of "Everybody Love Raymond" in which Raymond's mother, Marie, makes an modernist sculpture that she's totally unaware turned out a lot less "abstract" looking than she intended: it's unmistakably reminiscent of. . . well. . . female genitalia. I swear an oath that my friends and I, in high school, used to get a huge laugh out of showing that statue to anyone who wasn't already aware of it-- and this was years before the "Everybody Loves Raymond" episode! When I saw the episode years later, I said at the time, "That HAS to have been inspired by the Rockland County courthouse statue. Has to have been." But it wasn't till I bought the series on DVD, years after **that**, that I heard it confirmed in the episode commentary by the show's executive producer, Phil Rosenthal (who grew up in Rockland, not Long Island!)
If you managed to escape living in Rockland for all the time you did without knowing what I'm referring to (or for anyone else reading this who's curious. . .), you can see it here ("Anatomically Incorrect in Rockland"): weirdus.com/states/new_york/roadside_oddities/gigantic_genetalia/index.php
And here's "Marie's Statue", from the episode of the same name of ELR: www.artnet.com/magazineus/books/finch/lawrence-rinder4-5-10_detail.asp?picnum=1
(I'd warn that these are NSFW, but one is a statue outside of a *county courthouse*, and the other is a screenshot from a family show that aired at 9pm on CBS Monday nights!)
I was actually born in Rockland, and like most from my generation born in Rockland, my parents had migrated from the City when they married and had kids. The kids, however, were all so soul deadened growing up in a nothing-do-to, cultureless suburban wasteland-- nothing but malls, bowling alleys, and video rental stores-- that we all couldn't wait to escape back to NYC as soon as possible! (Incidentally, the mall you're thinking of, no doubt, is the Palisades Center in West Nyack. It's big, but it's nowhere NEAR as big as the Mall of America. Not even close!)
After college, I lived in Rockland for a couple more unpleasant stretches of a few years each. I moved to Arizona from San Francisco a little over a year ago. As for why I'm living in Arizona now, well, I'd still be in San Francisco if I had my druthers, but the city has completely priced the middle class out. Rental prices are actually worse than Manhattan the last several years, which is something I never thought would be possible in my lifetime unless Manhattan was burned to the ground. So I had to move somewhere affordable, I have a close friend in the area, and Flagstaff is a nifty little non-Arizona-ish city with non-desert weather where I was able to afford home ownership, at long last.
So that's the very long answer. :)
+What's My Line?
First of all, "Everybody Loves Raymond" was not among the shows I watched. And during it's run, I got rid of cable TV or any other means of getting television programs on 8/1/1998. The only exception is those networks like CBS that provides access to their current programs and some classic TV for free (the rest by subscription). But at least now I know what happened to Remington Steele's assistant.
As for the statue, I've been at the Rockland County Courthouse a number of times. I served on a jury (civil trial: talk about an oxymoron) back in May 2009. And had to report for jury duty a few other times. And there were times when I needed to go to the county clerk's office or the DMV when it was still located in the county government complex at that location. I also lived just off of the road that goes west of the courthouse from Dec. 1981 to New Year's Day 1984. So I traveled through there all the time, bought things in the strip (no pun intended) mall catty corner to the courthouse lawn and so on.
Honestly, when I've taken aptitude tests, the thing I score lowest on is art appreciation. And based on the height of the statue, I probably just walked by it, saw that it was abstract art of some kind, didn't crane my neck to look up at it, may have assumed it represented a leaf and continued on without another glance.
I know this will sound self-serving, but I'm not sure my mind works that way. (Marie's statue from the TV show looks like a fish tail to me.) I yam what I yam.
Palisades Center is currently the 10th largest in the U.S. and 2nd largest in the U.S. As I recall, when it opened in 1998, it ranked considerably higher nationally. Also, Mall of America is much larger now with the additional 5.4 million sq. ft. of floor space being added with Phase II to the existing 2.5 million sq ft. of retail floor space.
In contrast, Palisades Center has 2.22 million sq. ft of retail space, but it also has an additional 250,000 sq. ft. of potential retail space with is blocked off by a temporary wall and requires a public referendum (or an end run around one) to make use of it. So when only Phase I of Mall of America is counted (which was only part of the Mall of America in 1998 when Palisades Center opened) the retail areas are much closer.
As far as non-retail space, it is difficult to compare because both have some large attractions. Mall of America has a small amusement park indoors. Palisades Center has a Ferris wheel, a merry-go-round , the world's tallest indoor ropes course, a rock climbing wall, bowling alley and game center, a 40,000 sq. ft. indoor go-kart facility, and an indoor pro size hockey rink (the rink alone is 17,000 sq. ft., but there is also areas for benches, seating and standing room for spectators, locker rooms, maintenance equipment storage, skate rental and sharpening facilities, and a place where the Zamboni is kept when it isn't resurfacing the ice).
My recollection was that back in 1998, one had more retail space but the other had more total floor space. But it's obviously much different now.
I think that my going to private school in Congers starting in 6th grade and hobnobbing with the children of actors, Time Magazine editors, playwrights, a philosopher who also served as an Assistant Secretary of State and who eventually founded the National Humanities Center, and others of this part of society helped expand my horizons beyond the first mall (Nanuet), the bowling alley, the drive in theaters, and all the other elements we see reflected in the story of Brenda & Eddie (Billy Joel) and "The Wonder Years". That said, you are absolutely right: the most interesting thing to do in Rockland County is usually to go to Manhattan ... or perhaps to a few of the sports venues or museums in the outer boroughs and the rest of the NYC metropolitan area.
We do have our own minor league baseball park now. It seats 4500 people and twice as many mosquitoes. It is the home of the Rockland Boulders, our county's own professional baseball team, a member of the independent Can-Am League since 2011. All the fun happened after you left!
I have only been to Arizona once and basically did a "V" around Flagstaff. In July 2010, I flew into Sky Harbor Phoenix, attended a convention there, rented a car and drove through Payson to Holbrook and then took I-40 east to do a circuit around the Rocky Mountain states, going through the NW corner of Arizona including the Virgin River Gorge on I-15 en route to Las Vegas, and then headed south to cross back into Arizona at Laughlin/Bullhead City (the Hoover Dam bypass wasn't completed yet) to Kingman, then south on US 93 and US 60 (with a detour onto AZ 74 so I could ride on a portion of Carefree Highway, big Gordon Lightfoot fan that I am) and then back to Phoenix and a flight home. (I wasn't driving a flatbed Ford, so I didn't go to Winslow, AZ.)
I spent part of my honeymoon in SF, staying in a hotel near Fisherman's Wharf and Pier 39. My detective skills tells me that a frequent poster (besides you) on this channel is quite familiar with that area. I've flown in and out of SF international two other times, but I went south to San Jose each time and didn't go into the city proper.
I haven't know many people in Rockland with the first name of Gary, but no doubt our paths crossed at some point. (That was you?) And depending upon how close you are to my age (64), or if you lived near where I lived at some point, we might know some of the same people. Six degrees of Kevin Bacon and all that.
I also grew up in Nyack in the same era. I was surprised to hear the shootout on the news as I had moved to Chicago by then. I lived along 9W a half mile north of the blinking light at Old. Mt. Road and S. Broadway.
I should also add, I've only found three more after this point with glitches from scanning the files, which of course doesn't mean I haven't missed some in other upcoming episodes. But I can't rewatch every show before I upload, it's just not feasible.
I could not possibly object to glitches, having so many of them myself.
THANK YOU for all your hard work in uploading these delightful episodes for us all to enjoy.
Mate, you've done a nice job with all this. Glitches are to be forgiven if not half-expected, come on people! I work in music, recording and production and as it's the 1950s, let alone it being the 60s or the 70s, I absorb the issues in this instance as they come with no difficulty.
It would be a HUGE job and challenge to try and restore any of the lost audio or video. I don't even think forewarning is necessary.
My only wish is that the title didn't include the name of the mystery guest, ha ha!! But then having the big name draws the person searching for thst name.
@@davidsanderson5918 I've been watching the playlist through, and when they just start up after the end of the previous episode, I remain unaware of the guests identity!
@@Amcsae .
That happens to me occasionally when it is a long gone political figure, but if it is an entertainer or actor I pep up because I like to see them at themselves.
Imagine being the columnists after blowing everyone's favorite show. Hope they got lots of lashback by their readers.
You know the game is legit when a contestant is voided because of a newspaper article about Van Johnson's appearance on the show.
On the other hand, maybe they did it to avoid a possible scandal.
I think they probably did it to shame the culprits
@@violamateo ; A hint of scandal would be very badly looked upon.
Especially to my Grandmother, and me btw.
PACKS SARDINES
MAKES HORSES' FEED BAGS
HYPNOTIST
John Daly is so perfect at his job
For what it's worth, assuming it is the same Lynne Gordon, IMDB credits the person who appeared as the final challenger on this episode with hosting her own television talk show in Canada in 1977 and then appearing in 26 episodes of a Canadian show from 1981-87 ("Seeing Things") where the main character was a Toronto newspaper reporter who had visions which helped him solve crimes. She also played herself on CHIPs in 1980 and had a smattering of other credits.
Lynne Gordon was quite famous in Canada for much more than her television work. Working in broadcasting in Toronto during that time I knew her slightly, but enough to be sure that despite the IMDB listing, the final challenger was not the same lady. Lynne, the future actress, at that time was married to John Faulk, a radio personality who was fired by CBS and blacklisted along with Lynne. She could not even get behind-the-scenes production work. They moved to Texas, hired lawyers and sued AWARE Inc, which was the blacklisting authority. In 1960 Faulkner won $3.5mil damages, but immediately left his wife as soon as he picked up the cheque. Their story was broadcast in the 1975 TV movie “Fear on Trial” (on CBS). (She was shocked to find that CBS made her out to be the villain, not the victim, of the marriage breakdown, so she in turn successfully sued CBS.) Meanwhile she had moved to Canada and had a successful career in consumer advocacy, women’s rights, television, and public service. She wrote an autobiography (which I admittedly haven’t read) but would be very surprised if it mentions any appearance on WML Certainly not on the CBS network which had just fired and blacklisted her husband and made her own employment in NYC impossible. Plus, the future actress Lynne Gordon and John Faulk had a fashionable address in Manhattan, were close friends of such people as David Susskind, Myrna Loy, and Walter Cronkite. Faulk had also been a panelist on John Daly’s show It’s News To Me up to his blacklisting, so surely all the WML panelists knew his wife. So no, she ain’t the same lady.
Some confusion likely arises because the actress Lynne Gordon (not the hypnotist) actually did play a hypnotist in the 1972 film “The Hot Rock” starring Robert Redford and George Segal. Googling can be a tricky business….
@@petemarshall8094 Thank you for the clarification. That was why I included the word "assuming" in my initial post. I wasn't quite sure and I know that IMDB isn't always accurate. In the past, I have tried to correct IMDB when I had proof (like sending a video clip that included opening or closing credits). But they would not make the requested correction.
@@loissimmons109 I've been enjoying your WML research and comments for many years, and hope they continue. It adds greatly to my appreciation of the show. So far out of the contestants, I've identified my son's great-aunt, my lawyer's wife's uncle, my mother's old boss from the 1950s (AC Nielson), the man who manufactured my dad's kilt, and a former soldier who shared his dry socks with my grandfather during WWII. Many times I've relied on your research to get a handle on average people living in those remarkable times, and I'm always fascinated by how they fit into history - both macro and micro. Please keep sharing your great research!
@@petemarshall8094 Thank you for your kind words.
I'm not a doctor, but I'll play one on CZcams. Dorothy's long thin neck appears to have an irregular right vena jugularis interna, which skews to the right and can be visually disconcerting. It does not follow, however that this contributed in any way to her early demise.
I noticed that too. I thought maybe thyroid problems.
It's too bad the papers blew the Mystery Guest. I bet they didn't do that again...
Jennifer Yep and it was a SMART move on the programme makers' part to teach them a lesson right here!! Take that, newspapers!!!
They did do it again.
Miss Jennifer, Rag sheets, gossipmongers do NOT care, unless the gossip is based on/towards them.
Arlene is beautiful
Gorgeous woman Arlene 😊
The night John finally broke the flip cards.
The panelists shaking hands of the contestants was a relatively new thing. For the longest time in the earliest shows, Dorothy might have looked at a contestant's hands, but panelists did not shake hands with anyone except for the mystery guests.
With the maker of horse feed bags, Mr. Daly missed the other to say "the neighs have it".
When Lynne Gordon signs in, after saying "Lynne" at 19:56 John drops in a quiet "East". This must be a sly allusion to a Victorian novel, "East Lynne" by Ellen Wood, a melodramatic and sensational story that remained popular for many years in stage adaptations and in films and television, as recently as 1982 for the BBC.
This must have been a time before "spoiler alerts"
Hattie Scholes! John is so sweet with her!
when was the last time someone wrote 'sardine packer' on a job description form?
Dorothy had a preshow clue for the sardine lady, of all the animals we eat she went straight to fish? yeah right
@@sandwichman100 I think it was more of an in-show clue: the fact that the lady was from Maine. Only seafood comes to mind as an animal to eat from there.
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Wonder if John Daly’s best friend Toots Shore gave Walter Winchell the business for spilling the beans about Van Johnson.
the velvet whip...john daly!!
First time I've seen John accidentally reveal the answer ( 17:10)
At least John Daly admitted it and added an extra $5.00, when he could have kept quiet. A lot of people sadly nowadays would not have owned up to such an incident.
@@listeningeyes3298 true that. He did own it
That's incredulous that the Daily Variety and Walter Winchell would have found out from their sources about Mr. Johnson's appearance, and their editors gave the okay to print the item. He was at the height of his career at the time, as The Caine Mutiny would be released in 1954. I believe the panel would have guessed his identity with little trouble.😉
At least John Daly was HONEST with BOTH the LIVE studio audience, the television viewers, the panelists and Mr. Van Johnson about the “news” having been blabbed. It was plain as day that John Daly was DEFINITELY NOT happy.
It’s really too bad that some newspaper blew it by saying that Van Johnson would be on that night!
I like Van Johnson in 1955’s End of the Affair with Deborah Kerr.
Weird to know what will happen 10 years to the day from the date of this show....sad
I wonder how old Mrs. Sholes was here? Imagine what she had seen in her lifetime! If she were approx 70, then she would have been born in about 1883!! Wow.
Someone in the comments said she was 77 here. And was born about 1886.
The art of Allen's 'on the wrong track' segments (provided it's not all pre-prepared, I STILL hope not!) is that there is a YES for so many of his questions despite being way off!!
Too bad Daly nixed the MG segment, Cerf was all set to pick off the low hanging fruit as he often did. Six years later, they failed to guess MG Van Johnson.
Very very smart of the programme makers to decide to reveal the mystery guest, Just as you punish a child for misbehaviour by removing the treat....and other children seeing it happen learn from it too.....the newspapers will have surely learned their lesson ie. reveal the guest, you ruin the programme enjoyed by your readership.
John's summaries of the rules for flipping the cards have continued to be wrong much of the time as I've mentioned on earlier episodes, referring to "getting a No from the panel" more often than not. It's endearing, though, that in his careful handling of Mrs. Sholes, he pays greater attention to what he's saying, and correctly talks about "you can give them a No answer to a question" after the glitch at 4:03.
I wonder what Mrs. Scholes is up to today.
Sholes died many years ago😢
Looks like Mr. Daly lost his temper a little at the end there with the cards. Can't say I blame him if so.
John Charles Daly should’ve flipped the cards the whole way when he gave away the hint about the horse’s feed bag.
A couple observations--I think it's odd how John hugs the male contestant's arm against his body, presumably to put him at ease. I'm not suggesting there's anything untoward going on--I just find it strange. Also, I wonder why Arlene didn't offer her hand to the man.
+maremacd John is keeping the guest on spot for the camera and also to guide them to the chairs.
I've always wondered what men in the '50s must've thought about that. :D
One of the illusions of relaxed performers on TV (which Daly is) is that it's all happening naturally but of course there are meticulous plans made and margins for error. For the camera angles to work and for people's profiles to be correctly in shot on two different camera positions, they will have had to make stage markings. The guests seem to be lacking in stage direction to get into position so Daly has to coerce them subtly by drawing them closer. In any other circumstance it would look like something else but it's purely practical for the show, nothing more.
I didn’t understand that whole thing about Van Johnson. If he was able to disguise his voice and presumably the panel didn’t read about it then what difference would it have made. What am I missing?
Why don't they use ear plugs instead of blind folds?
If I were a contestant, I'd crush the hands of the panel, just to hear the reactions :)
What happened on the mystery guest part? When Van Johnson came out and sat down they all took off their blindfolds.. how come???
There was a leak in the press that Van Johnson should appear as the Mystery Guest.
Johan Bengtsson ah ok.... I'm almost completely deaf and sometimes it's hard to read lips if the camera isn't too close...
+PepsiMama2 I hate when this happens (same deal with Tony Curtis's onetime appearance)...one can only assume everyone on the panel disqualified themselves before the show, or else they still could've played with only 3, 2 or even 1 person guessing
+Johan Bengtsson How DID they handle this situation if the leak went out?
+Joie Fulton, as an example, apparently Sam Goldwyn accidentally blabbed to Dorothy Kilgallen that he was going to be the Mystery Guest that week, then ran into Bennett Cerf and shamefully told him he'd accidentally told Dorothy he was going to be the Mystery Guest..only two panelists played that round
So the nice old lady came all that way and has to go all the way back and doesn't get a dime even with a lot of no's?
What is with all the awkwardness of the guests in this episode? Did they have a carbon monoxide leak in the green room? 😂
Mrs Sholes was a passenger in this episode. She wasn't up to understanding or responding.
That little, old sardine lady was a little slow. Who chose her?? The poor thing could barely answer the questions.
She was probably super nervous. Imagine being in a fish cannery every day and then sitting face to face with the panel! 🤷♀️
@@katieg2161And the audience 😊
Lucky the show wasn’t over by the time the first guest got done writing her name🙄🙄🙄