The Rabbit R1 & Humane AI Pin Teardowns - Worst Devices Ever?
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- We’ve got an AI teardown double whammy at iFixit HQ as both the Rabbit R1 and Humane AI Pin arrive at our office AT THE SAME TIME!!! Reviews aside, these are two very interesting devices both from a design perspective and as a potential peak at how we may be using AI daily in the near future.
Which one is more deserving of your hard earned cash? That’s for you to decide. What we want to know is what the hardware looks like and whether it’s repairable. Let’s dive in.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction - Rabbit R1 and Humane AI Pin teardown
00:45 Rabbit R1 Teardown - How do we open this device?
01:10 A Little Steampunk - A first look inside the Rabbit R1
01:16 Rabbit R1 Battery Removal and Specs
01:27 Rabbit R1 Camera Assembly Removal
01:34 Rabbit R1 Speaker and Haptic Motor Removal
01:47 Rabbit R1 Input Wheel Removal
01:58 Rabbit R1 Mainboard Removal
02:08 Humane AI Pin Teardown - How do we open this device (Remix ft. Humane)?
02:21 First Look Inside Humane’s AI Pin - Is this an Apple Watch?!
02:30 Humane AI Pin Internal Battery Removal
02:49 Humane AI Pin Wireless Coil Removal - This is why it overheats
02:58 Humane AI Pin Speaker and Microphone Assembly Removal
03:05 Humane AI Pin Camera, Light Sensor, and Laser Projector Removal
03:13 Humane AI Pin Mainboard Removal
03:25 Humane AI Pin External Battery Pack Teardown
03:47 Repairability - What’s the verdict?Subscribe to our channel for all our latest teardown and repair videos!
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if it was an app on your phone, then they couldn't sell you $30 of hardware for 200 bucks. I'm assuming this is how they pay for whatever cloud service they are offering... for now. As with any purpose built device like this, if Rabbit dies, this thing becomes a fully unusable brick as all of it's functionality is reliant on the cloud.
Finally someone who mentioned that part. I HATE any product if it relies on the company staying in business to work. The more independent it is of the company the more I love it. I have this software called FlowFrames on my laptop, which is not only free and open source, but also lets you download the AI models to your device so it works completely offline.
Someone actually managed to get it running on a phone, so it completely eliminates the need for these devices
@@gliderman9302 Not fully,some features wont run properly.Its not that simple.
@@gliderman9302what do you mean “it”? Both Android and iOS are wayyyy too locked down for a third party LAM.
If it had enough processing power to run homebrew llms it might be worth it.
It’s not “poorly reviewed” it’s rather “poorly executed product”
It wasn't poorly reviewed, it reviewed poorly.
Rather, it's a poorly thought out concept.
It's very function is done by a smartphone but better....
@@TheDeathmail ye someone even found an app of rabbit ai and installed that on a pixle phone lol , these devices are just a joke
it's not a good product from the start either
it's just an e-waste
It should be an android ap-... Oh wait
Every reasonable person understands what he meant, no need to clarify it further.
"Could this have been an app on your phone?"
It is in fact just an app. Rabbit R1 runs Android, and the interface is, in fact, just an Android app. People have already ripped the APK from it and installed it on a phone.
Thats really funny to hear lol
Teenage engineering lol!
Doesn’t it only connect to 4 different services anyway? That are probably already apps on your phone
@@v2posiedonTeenage Engineering only designed the hardware, not the software.
Everything is a different Linux box so what
Fun fact regarding the “this could’ve been an app” someone just got rabbitOS working on a a pixel phone it literally is an app
source?
@@protogen_boinot op, but Mishaal Rahman from Android Authority found out that RabbitOS, the "OS" of the R1, is literally just an android app, and the R1 is just an android device running said app 24/7.
Effectively, the Rabbit R1 is just a crappy android phone, in a quirky shell.
@@stig2704 thanks for that lol
thing is with how android works everything is an app, with a bit of hacking im sure humanes launcher app could be ported to run on any phone too
@@stig2704 Do you not understand how many RANDOM devices are literally low end android OS devices? What am I saying your ignorant comment makes it clear you have no clue.
Heres just a few out of the literal thousands...
Peloton bikes, Sonos speakers, DataLogic inventory scanners like Joya Touch 22, BMW’s/Lucid’s/Ford’s/Volkswagon’s Infotainment systems for their cars, Jetblue’s seatback infotainment system, VitalConnect medical patient monitoring device (Welch Allyn/Hillrom), MobiUS Spider X1 - Portable Ultrasound, and Accuvix VC1200 Capsule Endoscopy System, Kaiweets Handheld Thermal Imaging Cameras, numerous Insulin Pumps even
Turns out the rabbit actually is just an app running on Android... But apps don't sell (has nothing to do with system restrictions).
More unnecessary e-waste.
How is that surprising at all. If you’re already using a Mediatek chip, using Android OS that is perfectly compatible with the hardware makes perfect sense. Why reinvent the wheel if something off the shelf provides a solid base.
@@Entertainment- "Why reinvent the wheel if something off the shelf provides a solid base." - Yes, why buy the rabbit R1 if you could just run the same thing on your phone? You missed the OP's point. The issue isn't the rabbit R1 using Android. The issue is the fact the R1 could've been just an app.
@@Entertainment- The point is that the bespoke hardware does not offer any advantage over simply running the software on the existing device in your pocket. It is adding needless complexity to achieve the same functionality.
@@Entertainment- $$$$$$ I'd love to know what it costs to make the R1. The app is just and app. The device is a magic BS machine.
@@0xD1CE Why was Siri limited to the iPhone 4S when it could have been a software update to the 4 and older? Why is Google limiting Call Screening to only their Pixel devices? Clearly all of them thought it’s a strategic necessity for differentiation, same case here.
"Get your useless E-waste device for as low as $699!"
Plus a monthly subscription!
It's 199
Pretty much a device whose functions can be done by an App on your smartphone.
Perfect way to fleece gullible people by selling these devices to them.
I never understood products like this. Why would anyone pay hundreds for a piece of orange plastic and just trust that the company doesn't go bankrupt?
@@Nexalian_Gamer Not only that, you also need to pay $20 monthly to properly use it because it relies on entire cloud service for all the AI workloads.
Without that subscription, those devices are just unusable plastic pieces
@@Nexalian_Gamer it’s simple really. Google and Apple have their OS’s way too locked down for a third party LAM. Frankly, people don’t WANT to give access to everything in their phone either. Having a physical barrier between what AI has full control over and what it doesn’t is probably the best approach at this stage.
Currently, neither have a LAM, so the idea is to beat them to market.
LAMs are the future, and this is the first iteration. Expect more devices and more desktop apps until Google and Apple roll out theirs, which will be in a few years.
@@TheOfficialOriginalChadwhat you say doesn’t make sense, I understand people not wanting to give access to all info to AI apps but using this separate hardware doesn’t protect them at all: at the end of the day the continuos interaction ends up generating a profile and information that these companies will farm and sell to third parties.
@@TheOfficialOriginalChad this could have all been done with basic speech recognition and a lookup table, I knew a guy that custom coded more functionality than these devices have just with worse speech processing bc he built it almost 10 years ago. its a cloud based app with a 700$ skin
Yea the trend of "Your not suppose to replace battery when it dies , you suppose to buy whole new product again" continues. What a junk !
Yeah buy the time the purcahser need to replace the battery the software updates would bloat these devices to a crawl.
There's even odds that the cloud services powering these things die before the batteries do
@@bosstowndynamics5488I'd be willing to bet money on the company croaking before the battery
How did anyone ever think these were anything but a scam?
It literally is a scam. The people who preorders are the victims. Life lesson here is that there are plenty of honest honorable tech reviewers on CZcams, so, be sure to check them out before purchasing tech stuff.
Being a bad product does not make something a scam.
@@colmarek You know you have a bad product, but sell it anyway, that means you're scamming people. Make sense?
People are always wanting to see what's next in technology. AI is the obvious buzzword these days, so devices that have the primary function of talking to an AI language model are going to exist, inevitably. It may not be a scam by definition, but people can argue snake oil wasn't a scam either.
But it's shiny and new!
Rabbit R1 is just a very low specs Android phone that only runs 1 app.
"Could this have been just an app on your phone?" Is the best way to describe all these things. It's made for techbros with more money than sense or knowledge.
Yeah, but literally 99% of things are now exactly that - they could have been an app.
Both devices are just junk, but at least they were fun to look inside. Thanks for that!
Ease of battery replacement and repairability will be irrelevant on these devices which will be chucked out long before any issues arise.
There really needs to be a design shift in the industry toward something like the Zune HD, where screws are a part of the design aesthetic itself.
but then it would be easy to take it apart
buh-buh-buh the profit margins, the planned obsolescence 😭Think of the CEOs
You didn't look at the laser projector? That seemed like the most interesting part.
He probably lost interest in the product.
@@nalaredneb78 But this is a channel about hardware, isn't it? Who cares if it's useful, I'm here for any cool stuff that might be inside.
@@daleglass7349 good point
I was going to say the same thing! These devices are borderline useless on their own but that *scanning laser projector* is god damn impressive!
It _would_ be interesting, if it was on _any_ other form of device.
The humane ai pin from inside seems like Apple designed it.
That's what I thought too. Humane was founded by an ex-Apple employee of course
Trying to look like apple but with hardly any of the execution when it comes to actual usability,
I cannot understand the utility in spending time in designing the interior of a product. Especially when the rest of the product is so half-baked
@@WebToolkit the product works fine lol
I'm more concerned about the people who would honestly believe something like these would positively change their lives than the companies scamming them.
"Could they have just been an app"
That was cold 🥶
I come for the teardowns, but I stay for the humor. Y'all are too funny 🤣
Vikram is amazing.
"Four screws and a good deal of alcohol can wash away the pain." Truer words never said.
I wanted to see the CPU.
The R1 could potentially be a great product for someone with vision problems. I know phones have some of the same capabilities but it could make a great backup and/or "quick access" tool for that purpose.
3:53 I would like to clarify this point, usually these batteries are rated for something like 500 charge cycles *to 80% capacity*, meaning that after that number of cycles, they should still have 80% of their original capacity. Ideally low-drain devices like this will perform better than 500 cycles, but only time will tell what quality of battery they used.
While it's still 100% a problem how hard it is to access the batteries, saying they're only good for 400 cycles is a bit misleading.
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Still you gotta admit it's pretty impressive how small they got the laser projector in the humane ai pin. I haven't seen any other devices that have a projector in a package that small anywhere.
The R1 mostly makes me think I should consider getting a Playdate. I love the look of the R1, but I'm not particularly interested in using the digital assistant I've already got on my phone, so certainly don't need to buy a gadget for a second one.
I was thinking halfway through this is like the saying “should have been an email” and you went for the same thing. Fantastic.
400 cycles? I have way older batteries that have reached 1000s of full charge-discharge cycles. I have 2362 cycles on my 10 year old laptop and still get ~80% of original capacity.
Smaller devices, or those assumed to have shorter lifespans anyway, tend to charge to higher voltage.
wow i never had a laptop battery last more than 2 years with usable capacity. i mean except my current one i guess, it still probably has around 80% capacity.
That's unbelievable, my devices show noticable degradation after about 600 cycles. But it really does vary on how you charge it. Temperature, the percentage charged, and probably more factors can lead to varied results
they are BOTH using cloud llm's.... and do not have any "A.I." in it :P
yup. these are little more than access terminals for machine "learning" engines - in quotes because they _don't_ learn, due to having no intelligence of their own.
Two batteries semi-permanently coupled with inductive coils?! It's amazing what some will go through to avoid any sort of connector... Feels like you could get away with power transfer using two insulated lapel pins instead.
It’s like seeing 2 new kickstarter scam products make it to market, without ever needing a kickstarter. The worst new businesses design products that are entirely reliant on them; either by using “their” cloud (most actually use AWS), that’s otherwise useless without a perfectly stable internet connection, or their company to respond to requests. They’d never get any amount of money from consumers like me.
Imagine an alternate universe where these companies actually released a fully fledged out device with decent capabilities and AI app integration. This stuff would have sold like hotcakes
I adore the look of the rabbit, i want to make it an mp3 or digital notes thing so bad 😭
"Four screws and a good deal of alcohol can wash away the pain" totally agree
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple was behind Humane AI, as just a whim of making a pseudo company temporarily to gage interest of AI without hurting their own stocks. Makes sense to me as a business perspective. Its built like an apple honestly. For a company starting up they sure have access to a lot of very very specific parts it seems including battery manufacturer, where as R1, it seems more in tuned to having some love behind it as it uses more basic components not proprietary ones.
It's built like an Apple device because one of the founders was a former Apple designer
400 my ass. Modern batteries push past 1000 with 500 being the minimum for average quality ones. Anything below that applies only to the cheapest ones.
When it rains, it pours! lol
A helio p35 2018 processor should prebuilt on that rabbit be atleast have a decent npu ai cheap for a 2024 device lmfao
That would be 1000$
@@vadnegruno no, $2000 - gotta work those profit margins, kiddo!
Problem with these devices is they aren't doing anything smartwatches can't already do for less money. Only a matter of time before language models get integrated into Siri and Google Assistant.
So the media tore this gadgets down verbally, now you're doing it physically. nice
Rear entry sums it up.
400 cycles? yeah not sure about that one, it is not 2007 anymore.
But we're still using the same battery technology that we were in 2007 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@LazorVideosDestruction that is like saying we still use the same car tech from 1911... yeah same type but it has been advancing so much that it's not even worth comparing.
@@riba2233 I mean, this is purely anecdotal on my part but in my experience it IS worth comparing. It feels to me like, aside from energy density improvements and charging speed improvements, LiPo battery technology hasn't gone anywhere. Like some of my oldest phones still hold a decent charge, but they are the ones with removable Lithium Ion batteries. Meanwhile a lot of my more modern devices have degraded batteries.
Ultimately the conclusion I draw is that the lifespan of LiPo batteries hasn't improved much, at least not enough to be significant to me. The 400 cycle count is very pessimistic tho, I can agree to that. In my experience 600 cycles is when it becomes a problem
its actually insane how often i hear the sentiment "batteries should be designed to be replaceable" and yet every device manufacturer ever completely ignores it and glues the battery down
I can't wait for the mods specifically the batt!!
Cool to see a new physical devices. It would have been even cooler 15 years ago before everyone already had a smartphone. Both of these things want to be the next iPhone, completely inventing/reinventing cell phones and pocket computers, but neither will. Because we already have smartphones that are "good enough." These aren't the smartphone killers you're looking for.
The humane makers learned 2 things from apple, 1. Build quality 2. Money milking technique.
Guys! Look! The techbros reinvented something that already exists: A smartphone without the phone.
These weirdos tried to do the same with transportation (self-driving cars, FSD, AV, PRT) and they still have yet to work.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone pronounce all of their T's like that
Probably their best move now is to just take all the publicity and progressively move towards either just being an app or making their own full smartphones
That is, assuming they actually wanted to build a company and weren't just VC cash grabs
These devices are going to be worth a lot of money as collectables in 50 years. Keep yours in a sealed package.
Nice one
These are from two AI companies who realized two things. One, AI isn't profitable. Two, they aren't doing anything more than what assistants on phones and search engines do. Both drove them to doing very specific things that were inevitable for these types of companies. Sell a very inexpensive to produce device and, in the case of the Humane, sell a subscription to their service. The reason both of these companies will tank and the servers connected to these soon to be landfill fodder is because there is nothing these things do that your phone already does.
These things probably cost under 25 bucks to produce.
Now if this was 25 -30 years ago, this would make sense. It was like owning an MP3 player. If your cell phone could do music, you had to deal with battery consumption. If you want to change songs, you pressed an actual button to change songs, to stop and start. So a device that did a thing made sense because your phone either couldn't or it wasn't a viable option. We are at a point where creating garbage to do things your phone does already is just there to dupe people.
As for the devices themselves. Companies need to go back to the drawing table and make their devices more repairable while keeping the solidity of the there. I don't know if that would be a twist locking system or a push down and to the side to take the back off, but this ain't it.
MKBHD buried both of these devices. These "AI" companies need to ask AI how they can improve these half-assed released products for their consumers.
isn't they released products that most people don't need, and the most features are still in beta or not exist at all. rabbit r1 only have 4 app tf
@@raisofahri5797 rabbit r1 is a pile of poop pooo by chininese billinaire Jesse Lyu
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Oh. Suddenly it makes perfect sense why the Ai Pin overheats all the time, and why people report getting burned by the battery pack. Wireless charging coils.
Unless those coils are 110% perfectly aligned, a huge amount of the power gets turned into heat. And they will never be aligned due to there being clothes in the way.
And all that heat then gets dumped both into the SoC due to proximity and all the metal inside, and of course into all those solid magnets inside the battery pack.
Also all that heat will degrade the battery rapidly... 400 charge cycles will become more like ~100, if not lower. And that's assuming it don't burst into flames due to overheating.
it's not the Apple and Android restrictions... it's just these companies trying to do a cash grab. The theoretical apps replacing these devices could still connect to other apps in the background like rabbit does
These devices should have stayed in raw diesel form.
Concise and accurate
Why does bro sound like an alien when he speaks?
How important are repairability scores for devices that are going to go into a drawer or the trash in just a few months? Maybe we need a recyclability score? Repurposability? Have some folks who are experienced at rooting/sideloading stuff on mobile devices try to turn these into something that's actually useful?
Wow, the Humane pin is awful inside, too.
While I get everyone saying that "it could've been an app", the point is to do things without the distractions of your phone and being able to do them more efficiently. Though this was not the case due to poor execution.
3:35 "Four screws and a good deal of alcohol can help wash away the pain..." You ok?
Golden comment
The most 'humane' thing was that it was pulled apart lol.
Which one is more deser… NEITHER !
The moment I heard about the rabbit, I was like "My Galaxy watch could do that with the right app" (and likely better)
The pin's internals do look like an Apple Watch, but instead of a touchscreen you get an odd projector interface.
I won't buy the pin, but it does make me excited for a LLM powered Siri.
This might actually be worth alot in the future. Usually, one-off failure tech devices gain value from their low sales and negative notoriety.
No.
@@3_pancakes767 “Might”. There’s no denying they’re both terrible products tho.
Well the rabbit looks like it was designed by a teenager - literally. In such a simple and basic design, they cant just add 4 screws to the back ?
The Humane got really bad reviews on functionality and usability, but at least it has a mature design.
PSA: responsible companies open source their hardware upon bankruptcy! I wanna mess with that ai pin as a doodad when this flops
Yes! these things could just be apps on your phone. It's only a matter of time until Google makes a decent version of Gemini that does everything these things can without the extra hardware to carry around and charge. I mean, what Google and Apple should really be doing is focusing on getting their assistants to work amazingly on smart watches. Sure it's a extra piece of hardware to carry around't but it's not a weird thing on my shirt or another thing in my pocket. I mean, I didn't think I would get a ton off use out of a smart watch, but bought one because I even got lazy about pulling my phone out of my pocket to check a notification, and have actually ended up using it much more than I thought I would. Rabbit, which is clearly just an app running on android, should have focused on making a great AI assistant that could be used on wear OS.
I haven't seen any feature on these that isn't already on a phone.
People just finished eliminating all of their carry items in favor of just having a phone that does everything. They're not going to go back to having multiple items requiring charging, unless the other thing is a smart watch that can last at least a full day on a charge. AI gadgets are all "terminals". The device itself is an access point. A wireless screen with a button. There is no reason to have on whatsoever, when the phone already exists. But one cannot maintain a monopoly on software. Harder to stand out, when your only selling point is a single repeatable algorithm. Both Humane Pin and Rabbit are dead in the water. Though Rabbit is cheaper, so less money thrown away on novelty.
400 charge cycles?! Consumerism ftw (world)
A device called the Rabbit R1, designed for rear entry? Someone's getting sued. 🤣
I bet they’re not worried about the batteries because they’ll expect you to buy the new one next year 🙄
Most of the hardware in these devices is already done much better in existing smartphones. I don't understand why investors enabled an (inferior) hardware solution to a (fringe) software problem.
Both look pretty well engineered on the inside. Too bad they are worthless products. I kind of feel bad for the engineers who worked on them.
Missed the chip display on first one
If this is a peek into the future, the future's gonna suck.
Officially the R1 website claims 500 charge cycles returns greater than 80 percent battery, is this true? Am curious how many charge cycles you need per day, that would give us a reasonable timeframe for product lifecycle. Am also curious if you have any thoughts on other component longevity, such as camera motor or push to talk button
Why do you even care? It's clearly a bullshit product 🤦
0:58 nice 😎
I use watches even when my phone can give the time. I believe these products are awful, but having a portable llm device can have its place. Apps and devices aren’t mutually exclusive.
The main problem the companies don't want to admit is the things didn't need to be a actual product a app would of been enough
i think people overlook easily how much of the weight is the undersized battery, they wear out and once you can't get an hour on a full charge, most people wont undertake to replace
yknow make the excuse, blame your judgment and throw the device away.
maybe ok to throw the rabbit away at 200 bucks, after having enough use as a toy
I genuinely can’t understand how people think these are good ideas to invent when we have these things called smart phones. Then the Rabbit guy saying they have hundreds/thousands of preorders and 800 apps optimized ready to go to put on the device along with the 4 that are on it now. Talk about straight up lying. In the end. Both of these will ultimately go no where and will be bombs.
new here so idk maybe its just a cute gag, but i never understood all the upset about pluto
I wonder if someone made a mod battery for the R1
If you want to know how isheep ifix channel is just look at the mouse on the table and hear the terms used for certain components for the product.
Damm its 2024 and we still have channels like this 💀
humane definitely shouldve used a bigger battery and much newer chipset instead of a 2019 midrange smartphone chipset to prevent the overheating, battery and speed issues like why was this even marketed as an ai product when the internals of this phone are also some of its weak parts?
and before people say that quadcomm did claim in the website that its a low power chipset that can run ai based tasks, its still not powerful enough given how slow it is let alone having it run chatgpt
Clearly, from a hardware perspective, neither are worth our money.
Even from a software perspective, openAi and Google do better.
Yes They Are 😊
Devices that are utilized to access the cloud. You're absolutely correct, they could have easily been apps.
you can tell how hard did humane try to be apple
Rabbit and Humane need to come together and decide who gets custody of the worst AI tech product of the year (so far)
They can share custody. They deserve the scheduling hassle.
So these are just like the meta rayban glasses?
Should have reworded the intro to the second teardown. I get for your the second product in a product category if still new, but for us it was 30 servings ago and intuition says to do what you did with the first one.
Honestly, these products are kinda a failure due to the concept. Most of the function on these can be done on a smartphone (minus showing image on the hand).
To be fair, it's function being done on a smartphone isn't a good metric to say it's a bad product.
E-readers, MP3s and Cameras are still good buys even if you have a good smartphone for people in the market....
The issue is if a Smartphone can do it better.... and overall, it's a yes...
Also, "does this device on it's own offer any value on it's own that the smartphone can't give?" and "will this product be usable if the company goes down" and the answer to both is a "no"
So, unlike E-readers, MP3s and Cameras, this is inherently a useless product.. even for a niche crowd, it's useless....
given that these batteries only last for a few hours, so you need to recharge each (battery pack) once a day if you wanna use this....and you say 400 cycles....that means these things will barely last longer than a year?
These are cloud devices, not true Ai devices. Its basically a cellular connected mobile device. If the Device doesn't have a neural engine on a chip equal to the M3 Max or a RTX 4070 then it CAN'T do Ai jobs on the device.
The whole point is to get away from smartphone
Sassy what you will, humane actually has an interesting idea, bad product but nice hardware with super interesting ideas and neat execution, albeit flawed
Neithier are worth it bc they're promising 'future features'