Sir David Tang | The 21st Century Does Not Belong To China
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- Sir David Tang is in opposition of the motion: 'This house believes that the 21st century belongs to China'.
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Sir David Tang says that the motion put forward implies that China will, like America, become a superpower in the next century. He is arguing against this. There is not enough land for its growing population and the air pollution in China, particularly in the cities is terrible leading the government to produce false statistics.
He says the growth rates are not going to be sustainable; China will also experience a population serge in senior citizens in the next 20 years placing enormous economic strain on the country.
The one child policy means that this generation wont have any brothers, sisters, uncle or aunties. In a country where business relies so much on blood relatives this will surely have an effect on the economy.
Filmed on Thursday 15th November
ABOUT SIR DAVID TANG:
Founder of the fashion chain Shanghai Tang and the restaurant China Club, Sir David is also a director and advisor to a number of boards such as Tommy Hilfiger and is a columnist for the Financial Times.
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Pretty interesting when we come back to revisit this speech.
exactly， very funny, thousands of HK ppl trying to flea to Shenzhen today, since the pandemic is lost control in HK
@@Ottovonostbahnhof @Tony Montana Where is your solid proof and evidence? Hong Kongers are fleeing communist China dictated/ controlled Hong Kong where communist china is ruthlessly trampling on Hong Kong's core values.
dawnnadir yeah right, how many then? A dozen? And one of them suicide in England, coz she couldn’t find job. Communication China? Don’t flatter us, it is long way to go, socialism is the word, but I guess you can’t tell the different. Coz you are BRAINWASHED
@@Ottovonostbahnhof "Us"? You and your country are the enemy of the world. Let's see when is your country going to crumble and breaking apart🤭🤭🤭.
@@Ottovonostbahnhof flee to Shenzhen? Excuse me?
China is country with more than 60-70 % of its millionaires are seeking for immigration, can you imaging how this kind of country can becomes a world leader?
RIP, Sir David Tang!
Brilliant scintillating talk and a wake-up call! Just like the one Sir David gave at the Hong Kong FCC recently. Only the blind will not see. Well done, Sir David! Was the last Governor of HK Chris Patten perchance in attendance at the OUS? Birds of a feather!
Thank you Sir David Tang in 2021!
西方社會自以為了解中國，until now 2024 some of the British politicians still don't see it through. Hong Kong used to have many educated elites, wise and courageous enough to speak up like Sir David Tang, but not anymore. RIP Sir David Tang Wing Cheung and RIP Hong Kong.
This sure didn’t age well
I agree with Sir David tang on this one
Tang knew the Coronavirus was coming!
RIP David Tang..you were absolutely right and spot on the regime.
Fucking nail it. Well said
It's just a debate - words were spoken to win an argument - it doesn't mean that those speakers actually fully subscribe to what they say. Nothing to get angry about whatsoever. What these guys say have no bearing on China's future anyway. Lighten up!
Yes Thank you finally someone speaks the truth !
I like how he talks
1, seems like this guy forgot about the smog in London during the 1950s. also the Yellow river frequently gets clogged up, do you know why? because of the soil washed from the Shannxi plateau would often block the river, this has been the case for thousands of Years, and as the sediments builds up Yellow river would flood, in fact the first King of Xia dynasty in 2200 BC were credited for being the first king to able to control the Yellow river flooding.
2, this guy seems to blame everything on China. well let me ask you who are hedonistic consumers that China's factories feed? perhaps his tailored suit is made in UK but his electronics at home would certainly be made in China, how hypocritical of him to blame China for pollution that his kind caused.
3 this guy has no idea of how demographics work, as China grow richer and become more technologically advanced it's manufacturing process would also become more automated, which would mean less people are needed to make the same product, the difference between China and Switzerland is the difference between productivity per capita, so the idea of "China running out of work force" is just ignorant.
4 he talks about "hopelessness" or "discontent" LOL says the man from the west whose middle class are shrinking and wage haven't risen in years. just go to China and see how vibrant it is, and how optimistic most Chinese are. this guy is totally disconnected from reality in his ivory tower and his pretentious posh accent.
Take a look of Wuhan now
No time and space to respond to all his comments. David Tang spent 13 min have a whinge. You can do the same about the USA or any other country for that matter. China has the biggest population in the world and hence will naturally have some of the biggest problems too. Firstly the topic is not "Do we like China" or "Is China a good role model for the 21st Century".
For the last 100 years, the main measure of dominance was economic and on that front China is poised to overtake the USA.
Yes which is dangerous for the world.
I never knew Britain was communist by Sir "Uncle" David's definition because when I was growing up in Hong Kong in the 70's I would never dare say down with the Queen.
Can’t help but think you’re missing the point
Called it
4:27 to be honest this is a process that every economically developing or advancing nation has to undergo. Even Britain and the United States during their industrial revolutions were not much different.
11 years on....was he wrong...prescient to the world now as he was then....and missed more....David I wish you could be here now to gift us your knowledge...to say and advocate all of these thoughts isn't anti Chinese.
old cliches, boring as hell.
the logic gap he failed to fill in is between the existing problems and the determination of the fate that china cannot be a super power.
I can‘t recall of any super power didnt face some big challenges when the growing was in process, and compare to the difficulties, China's advantages are much more obvious. It wont have to be the richest, simply average level income country to be No.1, and yet have the chance to find another way of future other than consumerism. It is located in the heart of asia, geographically the future hotspot of world economy. With its enormous power, the geo condition will not be a threat but a huge advantage that it is always playing a home game while the US have to travel half of the globe.
the only thing to worry is abusive enforcement of its power to other countries, not outside threats, will be the decisive question of China's future faith.
Yes, he mentioned one child policy which can be abolished in anytime whenever Chinese authority think it would be a threat of the interest of China. And I am here to tell you that the one-child-policy has changed nowadays that if both side of a couple are all influenced by the one-child-policy, they are allowed to have second children. Even if Chinese abolished one-child-policy, i am still doubting that people would tend to have more children instead of one cuz it is so expensive to have one child in a developing country with undeveloped social welfare system and huge amount of population. A normal family could only be able to afford one child at this moment. So the point is not to criticize the policy itself, the point is to find a way to fulfill the social welfare system. That's why i say he doesn't understand nowadays China at all. Besides, if a boy can't find his another part in China, he could simply find someone outside of China. There are many cases in China's countryside where the man who can't find a wife would buy one from Vietnam or elsewhere outside of China. I am not saying it is ethical but when there are problems, there are solutions.
时至今日，二胎政策全面出炉，身边都是剩女，老邓也死了，圆满了
Do you still think the same in 2021
TMC 2020 let ppl know that no force can contain China, not even a pandemic, this society is ready to face any challenge and its ability to address and solve real problem is unprecedented. Yet the same time, 300 000 death in US, and the gov still don’t care about its ppl after one year. Do you still think China hasn’t surpass US to be NO.1 in the world?
They're allowed to have a second child if the first child is a girl
Very poor understanding of China from Mr. Tang. Statements of facts no doubt, but mostly in past tense and very little understanding of the reasons behind the decisions. Here are the priorities for China.
1) wealth before the environment 2) wealth before the individual right of having a big family
China is concerned about the wealth of the country not the individual. You displace a million for the greater good of 10 million or 20 million, you do it China. Also, displacing those 1 million may also mean some of those people are now better off than before. Some never had adequate housing, now they get to live in a government built housing with plumbing and electricity.
A country has to wealthy first to battle the environment. China is now #1 in renewable energies. You have to be wealthy to sustain a large population. Now families can have two children per household.
Mr. Tang's arguments are the basic talking points of many in the West. Very few Western scholars actually understand China and its priorities and how it functions. Most of there understanding skims the surface as if it is a compilation of statements from news articles and new reports.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/story/china-is-still-building-an-insane-number-of-new-coal-plants/amp
That is such a nonsense argument about the "greater good". Its a kleptocracy serving the ruling chinese elites in the CCp, and the enormous suffering put on anyone who isnt seen as a obedient drone to the CCP is crushed. So unnecessary and irrelevant the interest of economic growth. Its just power for power's sake...
Very sharp observation, sir. In contrast Sir Tang showed his naivete if not ignorance of a country that he should've understood better, especially given that he had taught at a university and done successful business in China.
So given that he knows China well I think it's fair to say his observations are more accurate.
who are those people sitting on chairs on the higher ground ?
Love his debate and the conclusion. Yes the 21st century doesn’t belong to China, perhaps the 22nd, if …
No perhaps...is never
RIP
Yes, there is no more communism in China. This is the first time I see a westerner in Lord Power (?) that acknowledges this.
China will be 100% market capitalist, but retain its one party system. It is time the Wests start to redefine the different aspects of public administration. Because this system seems to do better than the free election.
May I suggest, in China joining the 'communist party' means to serve the nation, and forgoing one's own interest. One must be very dedicated to go into politics, and there won't be any ulterior motives, there should not be any business connection. China should fine tune the system such that it is not polluted and turned bad in the name of the western freedom and liberal democracy.
Many of the western values are good. Rule of law, freedom of speech etc, etc. But some forms of control is simply necessary. See how the US reacted after 9-11. Change the change when it is necessary, and do not change just for change's sake. What is Obama' medic-care? Is it market capitalist? The Gun-control just shows sometimes control is required. Now with the influx of the middle-east refugees, you can expect more restrain and control.
+Oh Man Jing
Communism party serving the country? Then why do international journalist uncovered US$1 trillion in Swiss bank accounts belonging to Chinese? Go back in human history and find an unaccountable government that "serves" the people.
China's system has lead to massive pollution, forced abortions, covering up and ignoring problems, concentration camps, and now a global pandemic. I fail to see how a system of unelected nontransparent bureaucrats is doing better than the west.
Jimmy Cheung boom. Coronavirus. CCP to thank.
Josh Segal we are in the present. But go ahead and blame whoever you like. Won’t change the facts of Coronavirus.
Josh Segal coronavirus happened in US that’s why President Trump made travel ban for China? Tell me how did China act so “responsibly and almost perfectly” instead of blaming someone else for your mess. We all know swine flu happened during obama, but it ain’t gonna change anything now will it? Nope.
He's more "yellowish" than any other "freedom fighters" in HK
What does that even mean
Why do you think democracy is better than authoritarian leadership? Authoritarian leadership maybe a good governance, and the democracy maybe a bad governance. So don't be too arbitrary.
+X Joe Then stay for the rest of your life in PRC. Show the patriotism towards your nation and people, if China's dictatorship is much better than the democratic systems as found in the States and UK.
Because everyone should have a right to choose. One person making a decision is a really bad idea. The people not having choice over issues that affect themselves in daily life is idiotic.
Very clear who is correct and who got wool over their eyes.
i wonder what Sir David Tang would say about China during this Greatest Pandemic of our times that China caused.
And you must be someone of higher authority than the WHO to confirm such important information, genius.
Is WHO the short form of WuHan Organisation?
@@wenyi78 you’ve terrible sense of humor and the kind of sarcasm that embarrasses yourself.
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What is progress and how do we measure it? It seems that most people identify progress almost exclusively with technological and economic progress, forgetting that technological and economic progress don't necessarily mean anything in terms of increasingly human happiness or social and political justice. We have politicians who seem to be interested only in creating systems of power and dominance; and at the end of the day power over nature (technology) ultimately means the power of a few (wealthy elite) over the majority. Never has there been such economic inequality; look at the 1% in the US.
Progress is not 70% of thepopulation living under poverty.
Sir David Tang‘s memory stagnated before Year 2000, I would like to invite Sir David Tang to watch his brillant speech in 2022.
he's dead bruh
Democracy sounds more like a religion when these guys talk about it...
Sir Tang, have you personally made anyone in Mainland China rich? The current "regime" has. I'm talking about my family in Shanghai. They are not government officials.
I'm sitting on a beach in the Bahamas, something a Mainland Chinese could not even dream about just 20 years ago.
So, the less I hear your faux British accent, the happier I will be. Please make me happy. That's what you are trying to achieve, right?
+moreco2pls The current regime also impoverished hundreds of millions of people during her countless number of internal power struggles, starved hundreds of millions of people to death during the nonsense Great Leap Forward, and killed hundreds of millions of people during the Cultural Revolution.
+moreco2pls "I'm sitting on a beach in the Bahamas, something a Mainland Chinese could not even dream about just 20 years ago."
The "....could not even dream about just 20 years ago" is the key. Why 20 yrs ago, or 40 years after the communists had ruled China, people couldn't even afford an air ticket to travel to Bahamas?
+dav shaw Could your family afford an air ticket to travel to Bahamas 40 years ago?
"Hundreds of millions". Your numbers are certainly easy to make up. They are just three words and take a second to type on your keyboard. Do you even have an idea what a hundred million is? Mind you, that might be more than the population of your country.
China's population exploded from 400 million in 1949, to a billion in 1978. Yeah, hundreds of millions starved to death.
You have to be in the Bahamas to view this video? God help the mainlanders
+GEESUS498 Sir Tang's faux British accent can only be heard outside of China, just like you have to be in a restroom to smell sh*t.
Mr. Tang put too much emphasis on individualism which has never played a very crucial role in the Chinese society. His argument would be more convincing If he focused more on the trickle-down economy.
That's what he is against.
Individualism leads to entrepreneurship. China will never be a world leader if all technological gains are the result of espionage, theft and copying.
Taiwan.
Chinese culture will never be individualist, and it has nothing to do with communism. Chinese civilisation is inherently collectivist, and that's a GOOD thing. It is what has allowed Chinese civilisation to be the oldest unbroken civilisation in human history. Acting as one people has allowed it to progress as far as it has, far more quickly than most countries. Japan's rapid industrialisation and modernisation was ALSO due to their inherent collectivist culture, and it turned out pretty damned well for them. Korea, also collectivist in culture, has failed in the north and succeeded in the south.
They seem pretty individualist to me.
Why does it not surprise me that the panda lovers are all remainders?
wow.wow.wow, i smell fear and salt sir.... wow...
And when U.K. Started the Industrial Age there's no similar problems with London. Huh!
After the industrial revolution the UK was busy abolishing slavery and started giving workers more rights. Chinese is industrialising and enslaving more people. Its going the wrong way, getting worse not better!
@@Dhdh365 enslaving more people!? What sort of information are you referring to? As if the British empire was not replacing slavery with another substitute that was known as the coolie system which was not much different from slavery. And what rights did the workers have when they were dying from preventable diseases like cholera and work accidents?
@@williamwong4040 try universal suffrage, universal healthcare, advances in healthcare including vaccines and antibiotics, equal personal property rights, widespread development of technology with personal computing and communications, arts and culture (CCP China destroyed most of their cultural heritage during the Cultural Revolution), and continuation common law over the past century for a start… and if you hate Western culture, stop using English language on technology invented by the West. Walk the talk buddy. And if you wanna talk work accidents, take a look at the accident rates in China TODAY, especially in mining and industry.
dialectic still exists
David Tang doesn't even know what communism means.
What is your understanding on communism from communist china?
so british
this won't be watched in China
lllolll, you naive fool, go and check tudou.com and youku.com and search 牛津大学辩论社：中国之辩. another brainwashed sucker, i pity u :)
Jack Tan Well done dude. let's put up our middle finger to those brainwashed morons. Yahoo!
learn English, ignorant bitch
Man11121315 Learn Chinese, i am superior than you moron
nope. even most of chinese don't speak chinese, only 400 million people do :D idiot
What is your problem Tang?
A swan song of noble stupidity. RIP.
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Sir Tang underestimate the all powerful CPP apparatus and the agile Chinese businesses' ability to conquer problems.
devolpment first, hunam rights second, this is common agree for us 1.4 billion yellow people. we are strong , unite and our rasing is unstoppable
no comments on other parts. But the clarification from Lord Powell on "communist" clearly shows that he is more familiar with what is going on in China nowadays. It means a ruling party and that's all.
Hi, l know this guy, he passed away last year, he was
very snobbish at all time in his life , he was well colonial
educated, typical english running dog, he never admitted himself was chinese, downlooked all the chinese, bullshit a lot too, he was very royal to the Queen of england,........
There is no "typical English". Maybe you mean "typical rich man".
The first 1 minute he makes no sense.
imagine 10 years later, when he revisit his own speech...too bad, he can't...
what he said is not true.
What he said is a joke!
If the 21st century belongs to China (it doesn't), then why are so many Chinese people immigrating to the West? It's because Chinese people know that the West is superior to China. The 21st century belongs to the West. The West is the best. China will never be a superpower. Keep seething. 😂
This speech was full of prejudices and fake messages, all the evidences that proved his speech is the data of last century. As a professor or a old man, you must be responsible for next generation. I am a exchange student, I have been lived in China for nearly 4 years, there is no doubt that all the Chinese people's living standard is in a high level and the most important thing is that they are happy and keeping a positive attitude to their life.There are 1000 evidences I can prove this professor's argument is wrong,I just give you guys one of this evidences.For example, My university is located in LuoYang that is a big city nearby the yellow river.Now most parts of this river is very clear.But do anyone know this river was very muddy in the last 4000 years?cause all the land that this river though was loess deposits.The China government changed this situation from 1980.By dint of hard work,the environment have been improved in this level,So do not judge everything if you do not make some research,even you are a professor or some smart guy. I think it was Confuscious who was a ancient Chinese philosopher that said “knowing you know nothing is the beginning of wisdom.”
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You Bore me. For every River, Lake or Sea and Air China"rehabilitated" they polluted 5 others so just remember that DING Dong and Confuscious is as relevent to the West as a Panda nice to look at but up to nothing.
Uhm there is a lot of poverty in China. You sound brainwashed.
falungong, hahahahahaha
He died,
If China is so bad. Why did U invest in China Club in Beijing. Secondly your Shanghai Tang opened stores in China. U lost money, closed stores and was sore about.
What is Communist regime and what is authoritarian. U dunno the difference, U dont qualify to speak at thus Forum.
U dont live to see it. Becoz U forgot your roots and also what your predecessors did to the Chinese people.
Your people? Hong Kong people?
@@butterflymoon6368 The guy was a 3rd Generation HK born Chinese.
Sir David Tang should visit China today. It is a magical place. And a very beautiful place with very nice people and excellent food
Lol you sound like a government robot
@@butterflymoon6368 just as you my friend sound like a misinformed person who never left the hole. Not to say I support or idolise the the CCP, in fact I myself made plenty of critical remarks about the Chinese government but China is in no what what the western media leads you to believe.