Skid Steer How to pick the best brand, the right size & choose between Tires or Tracks...
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- čas přidán 10. 05. 2018
- How to pick the best skid loader, including the right brand, the correct size & which is better- Tires or Tracks. If you could only buy ONE-this will help you choose the right one. A skidloader is the #3 piece of Must have landscaping equipment.
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Iv installed 10 sets of MWE rubber tracks and all of them have been top notch. I was able to get one set at 10pm one night. My customers were always happy with them as well.
Any issues with them popping off (driving out of them)?
We have an older bobcat 773 with steel tracks, LOVE THAT THING! It has worked and ran soooo well. Yes, the steel tracks do rip up the ground, but the traction that they give you is better than anything else!
I've worked with most skids and I have found that it really depends on the condition for certain types of tracks or tires. It just like you said if it hits all the right marks then it is best for the job. I found tire works best for plowing snow of which you know. Tracks don't work in the snow. Simple as that. If you're going for the fine grade then tracks are the way to go. You can still fine grade with tires but it's easier with tracks and more efficient. Like you said it all depends on the job. So go for the machine that can hit the most marks. I like your videos, my friend. KEEP IT Up!!!!!!!!!
I purchased a new set of T590 tracks and sprockets from midwest equipment (MWE). They still look good at over 800 hrs. Very reasonably priced!
Great Videos Stanley! Really appreciate how you put these together. Also, glad to hear you say! God Bess ....so God Bless you too!
Rubber tracks over tires are a great option . Your comments are right on the money. I dealt with MWE, and Solideal is now Camso. MWE was excellent to deal with. The tracks now have about a 1000 hours on them and are showing signs of wear. However, they spent that time clearing trees and brush from some prime bottom land. Without them I would have only been able to work that project for a couple months (July & August) here in northern MN. With the Camso tracks on a Case 220, I started in late April and finished in September. Wet weather was not and issue. I'd say my flotation was improved 1000%.
Thanks for viewing Albert!
I watched your video and read almost every comment, I’m going to get one with tires!! I wanna thank you for making this video !!!
Thanks for the great information. I really like the rubber tracks over the tires option. Im considering a skid steer for work in poultry barns so only the small frame or midsize units will work because of height limitations.
Just had to chime in on this one. I'm by no means as experienced as many operators may be. I've got around 2000 hours in wheeled Bobcats and probably 5000 hours in tracked machines. Primarily all 3200+ hours in our Takeuchi TL 140 plus another couple thou in various other CTL's we've used over the years. I will say that I can see where a wheeled machine would be the right choice, blacktop, hardpan, high speed finish grade work with a harley rake for seed bed or sod prep, but other than that, I'll take tracks every time. If I have to work on asphalt with my CTL, I spread some of the spoil across the area to give my tracks some slip and I try to minimize the distance from the pile to the dump and angle the truck to reduce the turning required. In the soft stuff, the tracks can't be beat. I've had the wheeled loaders with steel and rubber overtracks and while they work pretty good while the tires are new, they really turn into a liability when the tracks start slipping on worn tires, or God Forbid, you don't foam fill your tires and get a flat inside the tracks....nightmare scenario. I'd love to run one of the Cat 299's, to go with my Cat 304C CR mini Ex, but I really find the Cab's of the Cat CTL's to be a little small and cramped. I'm really interested in the new Kubota SVL 95 series. I sat in one a couple weeks ago and it was much more spacious and had excellent sight lines. The fact that many machines in the market utilize Kubota engines for their own machines speaks volumes for the Kubota brand itself. While it's like pulling teeth to get my bosses to realize the value of many of the work tools available for these machines, there is no denying the value these tools bring to a jobsite. While I spend a great deal of time running a backhoe in the commission of my job, I'd much rather be using my mini Ex and CTL to get the job done. Anyone in the market for one of these machines owes it to themselves to go to one of the construction expos or demo days events to try out the machine they are considering spending a small fortune on. They all look pretty similar, and they all do the same kind of work, but the differences between machines, in my opinion, are significant enough to warrant a test drive.
Enjoy your videos Stan, even if you are a little goofy. It's just the right touch. Keep em coming.
Yep, I tell my guys to quit cleaning up the street so much, till the job is done, so much easier on the tracks when leaving chips and dirt. They never run the bobcat, or buy tracks, so hard to get the concept across.
Just bought a new JCB 175 this week. Not needing to climb over the bucket or forks is the thing that did it for me.
Do you still like your jcb two years out?
@@gregterrill9130 Love it!
If you do any snow removal I'd recommend wheels instead of tracks. Also if your climate has lots of freezing and thawing I'd recommend wheels for that as well because if you park the machine with the tracks full of Mud at the end of the day, you will come back in the morning and your track will lock right up. Also if you're on sites with lots of curbs or rigmatts you're going to peel out of the tracks...
Agreed. You can't go wrong with wheels.
If you have multi bar tracks you can't beat them in the snow. They're even better then snow tires
@@hunterklemz0597exactly
I will have to look at multibar tracks, but I agree wheels with chains in snow and ice is probably the way to go.
On-point regarding dealer service versus brand! -Best brand doesn’t compensate for having a bad supporting dealership-all machines need servicing and this can be the best or most painful part of owning g the equipment.
I bought a Newholland L150. It was the lowest profile of all the makes in its class. Needed to get into a barn with a low ceiling.
Has served me well for years.
I am so glad to have found this channel great info and damn nice to look at. Im addicted. Stanley you are a inspiration.
Love anything to do with landscaping I'm just starting out so need all the help I can get. Thanks Stanley once again.
Glad it helps Caleb.
My dad just got 2 new Cat 289D loaders with tracks. They also offer a similar track system to the ASV positrack (found that out a few minutes ago), but he got the standard track system. His business does commercial concrete (for the most part. Also some construction and site grading) so it involves lots of rock, concrete chunks, and more. The positrack system from the VERY LITTLE I have researched, doesn't do as well in that environment, but does as well or better in a more residential or landscapng business or something that doesn't deal with stone as much. So it just depends on what you're doing with them. He also has a smaller wheeled machine he uses for things like a street sweeper and as a shop machine, or even for if he needs in smaller areas.
This was awesome video thank you so much for your any site and I think I'm going to go with both machines medium and also skip tracks as well as Tire you made my job easier thank you again
Great video. Very informative. We purchased a Bobcat T650 and absolutely love it! Thank you for the input!
Thanks! Glad to hear you liked the video.
Good information Stanley, thanks so much. Help bring clairity to decision making.
Super great advice, Stan. Really enjoy your videos.
Thanks Don!
One thing i'd REALLY like to see given a lot of attention, is the suspension of the seat. After about ten years and about four 800 series Bobcats, I now have chronic spinal pain from bouncing on a pinched nerve. Of course, I worked as hard as could, but didn't always realise how easy it is to become tense, while being focussed on a difficult job. This should be a primary issue in evaluating new machines. it wouldn't be hard to design a better suspension system for operator safety,
And by the way, when will we be able to get an Espresso maker that fits on the exhaust?
Do some stretching. Knees over toes guy
Dang man. I remember following you when you only have a couple thousand subs. Now you are over 150k. Congrats. Seems like you are successful no matter what you do. Hard work pays off.
I've said "I'm so glad that I have tracks" many more times than "I'm so glad that I have tires." Tires are great for snow and on hard surfaces, like asphalt milling, but other than that, the tracked machines - in my area of SE Pennsylvania - are superior. I go with Cat, because Foley Cat is my local dealer and they are second to none in my area. I have a Cat 259 and it's my workhorse. It has a 9226lb operating weight and does everything I want. If you're doing excavation, tracks are the way to go. Cat, Takeuchi,
and Kubota are the machines seen on most job sites around my way.
rkbrauercsllc cats are also simpler to work on. As a guy who's had to work on Case, John Deere, bobcat,tacheuci,and Caterpillar I know I found working on caterpillar units easier because of the layout. John Deere gets an honerable mention because of the way the engine panels slide off but out of all the units I work on I found them to be the most often broken. The worst by a bit for me as a mechanic is the Case with the vertical lift system. You cannot lift the cab without the arms in the air...
Great advise. Keep those videos coming.
Thanks for the video, I need a skid steer for personal use and had a hard time with tired machine, but the older ones are cheaper!
I really appreciate these videos, it gives good insight to the experience of a career operator and owner, thanks!
Thanks Michael
I love these type of videos stan, do
more. More
Will do!
Great info. Great demonstration. Great video. Thank you for sharing.
My family owns an 07ish bobcat S250 (I believe full size frame) with tires. We bought it used (2000 hours) from sunbelt rentals for 8k in 09. We are on gravel and asphalt and sometimes dirt but never really mud. Ours does a great job. Only thing is we tipped it once putting a really heavy load to high and dumping. Only thing was a dent in the machine we were dumping into so we got off lucky. Never take it to a dealer we do all our oil changes in house and have a service guy come out once every few years. Tires are really expensive though remember that. We just spent about 1k on a new set after blowing one on something in the gravel.
Thanks for sharing the knowledge!
Thanks this is one of those answers I have been looking to find.
Awesome video Stan and very informative. Thanks
Thank you Kyle !
Thanks man for advice keep it going.
I've got a cat 236 2008 with steel tracks. It has plenty of power. My only complaint , is the speed. Cat dealer is about a mile away from me, Great service. Love the machine and the service department.
Very informative .... This helps me prepare for my possible future business I'm thinking about building...
Great John , good luck and thanks !
Thanks for your content. You get right to the point.
I’ve been running a set of McClaren steel tracks with rubber pads for 15 years on a NH 565 and LS170. Using the machine for light grading and general work on residential construction. I’ll never go back to plain tires. If you’re on a lot of pavement the rubber pads take a beating, but that’s true of any rubber track.
We have metal over tires on our 430 case and I like them for the most part. When working in brush and woody areas I find it picks up sticks a lot and whips them all over the place. Our 299 cat with forestry head and rubber tracks seems to be less likely to "grab" stuff with the tracks.
Great advice. I've operated skid steers for over 20 years. Tracks! Tracks! Tracks!
Thanks Jack !
Considering buying a skid steer...Ive seen lots of split opinions here.. Im in northern idaho,,,frozen ground in the winter and ROCKS in the summer... Wheels or tracks?
@@tray8411 I'm looking for the same thing in Centeral Idaho around Donnelly, what did you end up getting?
Great information Stan! Thanks
Thanks Rufus!
I enjoy the videos Stan. I don't understand why you have videos that also help your competition.
Never new about those tracks look 👀 amazing Stan
I've bought wheels and tires from MWE. Quick and pretty competitive from what I could tell. 10-16.5 Solid Tires.
Love the videos Stanley
I didn’t hear it mentioned but a major advantage of track machines is lifting capacity, a lot more.
Not to mention less turf damage, especially with a decent operator. OTTs won't help with that at all.
Enjoyed this video Stanley
I have wheeled skid loaders. We put skinny snow tires on for the winter doing sidewalks. I have a set of camso tracks for 3 summer seasons with about 1000hrs on them and they are still good. Like you said you do have to be careful on dry asphalt or concrete or side hill you can de track them.
I have sold them now and this coming season I have purchased a set of Right Tracks made in Alberta Can. they look really good and I am excited to put them on this coming spring. Tom the owner at Right Tracks says they will not de track and will not tear up the tires like the camso do. Check with me in May and see how I like them.
I just bought new gehl 165, I did tires instead of trax, mt reason for this was weight vs mobility & size, also i did tires due to tire vs trax replacement as cost is a huge factor. Lastly I hear horror stories about trax being slow during transport if needs to drive down road & also for snow removal that you need to clear each area before you drive on to snow or getting stuck is near guaranteed. I went with gehl becsuse i like the lever joystick system they have also lastly as you mention dealer concern is my concern too and I have a good repor with the gehl dealer as i deal with them on other machines. In general everything you mentioned i did prior to without watching your video and your video does have lots of merit. The main thing is to do homework on what works for you becsuse you are the one buying the skid loader and you want the right machine that is gonna work for you and be the most efficient use of your machine.
Great video Stan! Great points the bad thing with the rubber over the tire tracks they get packed full of mud and ROCKS! Rocks have no where to go once inside. It will stop the machine and just spin the tires inside the tracks. Personally don't like rubber over tire tracks. Steel with rubber plads are the way to go.
Thats true- the rocks do get stuck.
Great info Stan!
Thanks!
You seem like a great guy. Thanks for making this video.
Thank you JP!
The landscaping company I worked for had a Cat 277D for a few reasons, standard back up camera and controls were just 2 sticks, plus it worked better than the comprobale John Deere. Only other skid I've driven was an old New Holland L555.
Great for me very very helpful i would like to see you make more videos of this type
Will do James, happy that the vid helped you out!
185 are very good machine. Rent big/smaller/track machines. Keep your cost low and beat on rentals when needed
Rob Pond exactly.
Great Advice @2:30 ....Absolute Truth.
Thank you !
Thank you. This was awesome!
Thanks!
Awesome video thumbs up ☺
Great video👍🏻
Awesome video!!!!
Wow this is awesome stuff.
Looking for a good used skid steer, good info thanks. 😊
"Kind of like Goldilocks" - very interesting. Wanting to start a property maintenance side business and stuck on which bobcat to buy because the only thing the Jack of all trades mid sized machine cant do that I would need it to do is forestry mulching. But maybe putting that on the back burner for now and offering a range of other services while saving a substantial amount if money off the hop not buying the T870 and cutting head is the smart way to go to get started.
Enjoying your videos man your passion shines through.
Stanley, if you haven’t tried out the new takeuchi’s yet, you should. You’ll be trading in those bobcats in no time. The power is unmatched. I’ve spent 100’s of hours in different skidsteers and to be honest nothing compares. We have a tl150 with 5000+ hrs on its and it still out performs the new stuff other companies put out. We got rid of the cats and bobcats and replaced them all with tl12’s
Great video! Tracks.
Nice job. Great info.
Thanks Thomas
Make more videaos on Mini-loaders, equipment for hardscaping/landscaping
Have several machines 2 mid frames and 2 large. We only have machines with tires which works well for us in landscaping. Have rented track machines on occasion to grade steep yards. We do have a 873 bobcat that is set up to run steel tracks and the traction is great but we only use early spring and late fall as it is very hard on the machine. It has broken several axels as a result. That makes for an interesting day loading a three wheeled machine on a trailer to go the the mechanic.
Nice Video Stan! I came up with the same conclusion a few months ago after thinking about it for awhile. It’s a hard decision trying to get it right the 1st time when you have not had any experience with a skid steer
Well I hope this helped out in some way.
diggin that Track T180, work horse!
I've got 2 machines with tires and 4 with tracks. If the job is muddy, has slopes and/or is over rocky ground the tracks are better. Pushing dirt (break out) is where the tracks shine. Less spinning and better efficiency if you are moving dirt or doing construction landscaping (re-shaping, digging, moving material). The tires are faster for most lighter jobs and are more generally more maneuverable - they shine in final grading and general light landscaping work.
great info I'm about to buy a skidsteer for work
Awesome ! Thanks for watching !
Great advice body!!!
Thank you !
That's a great video Sir
Appreciate that Quinten, thanks !
Had my 864 tracked bobcat stuck before, not hard to do, luckily got it out fairly easy.
I'd probably go with the Tracks looks like it spreads dirt like a champ plus it won't get stuck...Nice Vid...
Very helpful...thank you.
Thanks ! Glad it was helpful!
If ever don't know what to make a video about, can you make one about the mini skidsteers and if they are worth it?
Will do!
I am in the market for mini Skid steer and would love your expertise. Please do one!
They are worth it if you are doing landscaping and you have to go through gates. We had a Ditch Witch SK750 and it does quite well. Just don't do what my boss did and try lifting Blizzard 8' plows with wings on it...ended up flipping the dang thing and almost flew over.
Unless you were going to do a lot of work on pavement/asphalt wouldn’t a track unit be best for most things anyway?
I like the video especially the dealership advice. Unless u are an asphalt company/concrete company u shouldn’t think twice, tracks. The only track I’ve known to perform well on all surfaces are the rubber tracks with pads on them instead of small ridges. Operating is also a huge factor in the wear of these tracks. In my experience running over large limestone and sharp rock pieces are track killers. Between every small guide wheel a jagged rock can damage the tracks by putting a lot of stress on the stretched, unprotected part of the track. Thank you for putting out a great video!
Appreciate that Tim, thank you !
I have a cat 262d that I use around the woods and in dirt with steel tracks over the tires and it’s like a mini dozer it will go just about anywhere
3:46 I hear that a T-800 is unstoppable. Made of a superior alloy that makes it tough to beat.
Sweet video thanks
You're welcome Jeff, thanks for watching !
stan can you do a equipment tour/show of all your equipment like machines and all the attachments
Thanks for sharing
The new tracked machines are by far the only way to go!! Wouldn’t touch a tired skid loader for free💯
Helpful...Cheers
great info...
I had a 743 Bobcat and bought steel tracks for digging pools in sand . It worked ok but puts a huge load on the drive train and engine. I now have an S130 and don’t use tracks anymore. After 30 yrs in business I can afford to be picky in my jobs . Rubber over tire tracks are a good compromise as you say . Steel tracks are just too heavy even though they work really well when used with new tyres .
tracks vs wheels.... if your doing a lot on concrete get tires, even though they have to replace more often, its less work on the wheel motors. My ASV tracks on my CAT 277B hate turning on concrete, itll do it, but it wears them down pretty quick.
On the other hand, tracks in the dirt are INCREDIBLE! traction (with the right track pattern) not the stock tracks kubota offers... can move mountains. As for wet areas? My 12,000lb machine can drive over things I cant walk on. But that's partly due to the track design from asv.
Tracks for dirt work-pushing force and flotation
wheels for concrete.
edit:
Your right about your dealer, in hawaii I hear they only use cat on the big island since thats all there is to service equipment.
I was shocked to see the data tag on my 1845 case that said the build date was in 1971. I didn't know they had skidsteers back then. I thought they was an early 90's machine. I'm seeing alot more of these things replacing the bigger equipment like the 455c loaders.
Tracks Kubota 95-2s best skid steer I have ever owned. Its so strong the other day had a customer tell me I needed an excavator to remove a retaining wall behind a pool, went deep in the ground with heavy footers. I told him when he left I was going to get the excavator. Never had to, that Kubota has so much power.
If your doing things with your skid steer like brush or tree removal always go with tracks. 100X more traction
Great video, tks
Thanks Royce, appreciate you watching
Thank you !
VERY INTERSTING ,,AND VERY GRAPHIC ..
Thank you!
I have tracks on a 257D cat. i love them. Onley down fall is they dont like ice vary well.
after buying our 1st skid steer it made us wonder how the hell we survived without 1 all this time haha
I have only had bobcats and very happy with them. But I would love to try other branda
Bobcats have been my favorites as well.
Stan, have you looked at VTS track systems? I have them on a 435 Case machine and ran them on a 75XT and a Bobcat 763 and they work great. It’s essentially a track frame that bolts on to your tire axles. Much better than over the tire tracks, IMO.
Would trade my wife in before my Takeuchi TL10. Great machine and always tracks. Agree with midsize comment. Nice post.
I’ve been hearing good things about them. Wanting one for personal use.
Have you ever do a video on say top 5 piece of equipment to buy from first to last for an up start excavation company and the reasoning behind the opinions?