Thursday Night Debate Breakdown: Norman Finkelstein vs. Alan Dershowitz

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  • čas přidán 2. 08. 2023
  • Writer and oral historian Matthew Vernon-Whalan and our own live show producer Jordan Dubin (who lived in Israel for 14 years) join Ben Burgis to continue the revived series of Thursday Night Debate Breakdowns by watching Norman Finkelstein's 2003 debate on Israel with Alan Dershowitz. Norm himself will be joining us at the beginning of the stream to look back at the debate.
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  • @senortonyful
    @senortonyful Před 9 měsíci +124

    I remember watching the debate shortly after it came out. I was still in high school and watching Finkelstein surgically eviscerated Dershowitz was incredible and helped shape my views of how to engage with dishonest actors.

    • @christophermarcone5504
      @christophermarcone5504 Před 9 měsíci

      👏✌️

    • @cognitionup5211
      @cognitionup5211 Před 8 měsíci +5

      @@nguyenbinh1721no surprise in what you disclosed here. I used think that man was decent, until I heard about the Epstein island visits. Then I started listening and it is all clear to me now!

    • @ayhayuba3969
      @ayhayuba3969 Před 8 měsíci +5

      It’s tough though. Finkelstein did it because he’s an expert in the field and like he said (read the book 4-5 times). Dershowitz is a master of dirty tricks

    • @stellaboulton9531
      @stellaboulton9531 Před 6 měsíci

      Norman yelling constantly over his interlocutor so that no-one else can get a word in edge wise is not eviscerating anyone. It's a 50 year old man having a prolonged tantrum.

    • @benng8730
      @benng8730 Před 3 měsíci

      i mean bro, the facts have been very transparent and Norman Finkelstein literally exposed these fraud. So how is it still a debate then? It's just mad

  • @SvalbardSleeperDistrict
    @SvalbardSleeperDistrict Před 11 měsíci +283

    For Derschowitz to make claims like "Palestinians celebrate when a kid dies from an attack in Israel", and then be hilariously exposed by history with actual photographs, articles and TV reports showing Jewish settlers bringing sofas up to hilltops to watch IDF bombing Palestinian neighbourhoods like a show... Sometimes historical irony is the best form of irony.

    • @zrusit9640
      @zrusit9640 Před 11 měsíci +5

      Pin me to your sources, please.

    • @SvalbardSleeperDistrict
      @SvalbardSleeperDistrict Před 11 měsíci +39

      @@zrusit9640 You can simply search for related keywords. The stories were published by everyone from The Guardian (article "Israelis gather on hillsides to watch and cheer as military drops bombs on Gaza") to The New York Times ("Israelis Watch Bombs Drop on Gaza From Front-Row Seats") to Al Jazeera ("Israel’s doctrine: Humane bombing and benevolent occupation").

    • @zrusit9640
      @zrusit9640 Před 11 měsíci +10

      @@SvalbardSleeperDistrict thanks

    • @virityrealtual3831
      @virityrealtual3831 Před 9 měsíci

      Lots of videos of settlers celebrating execution of children and when the executioner is acquitted more celebrations. Lots of videos of Israelis chanting death to all Arabs.

    • @user-kv3bt7ph3c
      @user-kv3bt7ph3c Před 9 měsíci

      Yup, I remembered seeing that, felt disgusted by it@@zrusit9640

  • @mslayous1
    @mslayous1 Před 9 měsíci +226

    Norman is a hero to all honest and decent humans. The fact that he's a brilliant scholar, thorough, intelligent and modest is icing on the cake.

    • @8iorekx
      @8iorekx Před 9 měsíci +2

      Wow... ALL honest and decent human beings? That's pretty impressive!

    • @j_freed
      @j_freed Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@8iorekx- that's some deep research into a claim.

    • @nwbw217
      @nwbw217 Před 8 měsíci +7

      A hero lol he demonstrates in this video flawed logic on every point and doesn’t even know how to differentiate between intent and non intent

    • @mslayous1
      @mslayous1 Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@nwbw217 I am sure you are more qualified than he is to judge.

    • @firstlast9916
      @firstlast9916 Před 8 měsíci

      Norm is an obvious crackpot that doesn’t want to discuss any of the issues pertaining to the conflict because he doesn’t want to be contradicted. Instead, norm tries to discredit decimal points and misspellings in books that nobody is going to read in order to hide the fact that he supports baby killing in the name of Muhammad.

  • @david-jf1ux
    @david-jf1ux Před 9 měsíci +63

    This is indeed a horror movie: funny and disgusting at the same time (Dershowitz claiming he wanted a honest intellectual debate and then later went on to try to destroy finkelstein’s career: so disgusting)

    • @hannah3146
      @hannah3146 Před 7 měsíci +4

      Well Professor Finkelstein is very busy and has a career so jokes on the other idiot. Norman changed my entire thinking I'm Jewish by blood but from US and had no idea about the horrors

    • @57andstillkicking
      @57andstillkicking Před 7 měsíci

      @@hannah3146
      Dr. Finkelstein is wrong. You need to learn the real history of Israel and Palestine.

    • @ZahraShah1
      @ZahraShah1 Před 7 měsíci +4

      @@57andstillkickingsays someone who's never seen gaza

    • @57andstillkicking
      @57andstillkicking Před 7 měsíci

      @@ZahraShah1
      You don’t need to go to know the history.

    • @syedmohammadabdullah
      @syedmohammadabdullah Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@57andstillkickingok he has probably spent more time in research than your age u can’t simply call him wrong

  • @Infodawg2012
    @Infodawg2012 Před 8 měsíci +96

    I never get tired of listening to Norman Finkelstein.

    • @whatsthemonsterbelow
      @whatsthemonsterbelow Před 8 měsíci +1

      I do in 2 seconds

    • @Infodawg2012
      @Infodawg2012 Před 8 měsíci +3

      @@whatsthemonsterbelow You are so funny, Bozo😁

    • @whatsthemonsterbelow
      @whatsthemonsterbelow Před 8 měsíci

      @@Infodawg2012 I hope you don't consider yourself a "Jew" lol

    • @Infodawg2012
      @Infodawg2012 Před 8 měsíci +3

      @@whatsthemonsterbelow Hahaha, you’re so funny without trying , Bozo 😂

    • @hannah3146
      @hannah3146 Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@whatsthemonsterbelowI hope your not racist in your heart. I have curly ethnic hair that I used to get bullied for. Now I know how corrupt Israeli government is I will speak out! Jews need to speak out we need to find what we all have in common. Rather than our differences. I wish you peace and happiness

  • @ivanivanovich2893
    @ivanivanovich2893 Před 11 měsíci +47

    Norm is the best😊, as well as your show, Ben and crew.

  • @tedmusson5179
    @tedmusson5179 Před 9 měsíci +23

    I'm eighty-one years old and hope to be more like Norman when I grow up. He has one of the least sonorous voices and truly among the best set of words/thoughts.
    dersh and epstein is all one need know about alan. But all the rest of his history digs the hole deeper.

  • @Will-zy3ru
    @Will-zy3ru Před 11 měsíci +20

    Reducing the number in Benny Morris from 200,000-300,000 to 2,000-3,000 actually does fit Joan Peters' agenda of downplaying the size of the indigenous Arab population in Palestine.

    • @holyworrier
      @holyworrier Před 9 měsíci +2

      The first official census was taken in Palestine in 1922, by the British mandated government. A total population of 757,182 individuals was found, of whom 590,390 were Muslims, 83,694 Jews, and 73,024 Christians.

  • @ivandafoe5451
    @ivandafoe5451 Před 11 měsíci +97

    Twenty years later, Derschowitz has managed to completely destroy whatever positive reputation he once had. He has no credibility.

    • @barneygimble8984
      @barneygimble8984 Před 10 měsíci

      He kept his underwear on and his Massuse was a matronly older woman.
      Dershowitz on his visit to Epstein island

    • @Kid_Ikaris
      @Kid_Ikaris Před 9 měsíci +1

      And yet he keeps on talkin'

    • @brandonterzic
      @brandonterzic Před 9 měsíci

      Yes, but fortunately it has not diminished his influence.

    • @vitocarbonara7770
      @vitocarbonara7770 Před 8 měsíci +2

      I agree...Dershowitz showed himself over the years.

    • @jds614
      @jds614 Před 8 měsíci +3

      He is a damn good criminal defense lawyer, you can't take that away from him

  • @etienne2315
    @etienne2315 Před 11 měsíci +101

    Norman is such a treasure, i can't wait to watch this !

    • @saintlybeginnings
      @saintlybeginnings Před 9 měsíci

      🤣😂🤣🤦🏾‍♀️

    • @coimbralaw
      @coimbralaw Před 9 měsíci +1

      Put the drugs down and go see a shrink

    • @sea2959
      @sea2959 Před 9 měsíci

      he is correct....Pedophile friendly Dershowitz is the epitome of a certain kind of humans@@coimbralaw

    • @chakir348
      @chakir348 Před 9 měsíci +4

      @@coimbralaw THATS YOU

  • @brettstarks1846
    @brettstarks1846 Před 9 měsíci +39

    I saw this debate years ago, and it never gets old. Great stuff.

  • @PowerfulWarrior69
    @PowerfulWarrior69 Před 8 měsíci +16

    This is such a lovely conversation. It restores the spirit

  • @1moorenate
    @1moorenate Před 9 měsíci +24

    I love Normal , he’s truly an incredible human being , speaking truth n a world of lies , thank you guys for having him on and watching his debate destroying Satan n physical form 🙏

  • @tedmusson5179
    @tedmusson5179 Před 9 měsíci +32

    Norman brings me an Irish-Belgian Canadian to tears of gratitude for his humanity. His spirit reminds me of the Jewish doctor in our poorish neighbourhood pre socialized medical that would never turn down a person too poor to pay.

    • @hannah3146
      @hannah3146 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Not all Jewish people are bad I'm Jewish not religious but I want and hope for peace. I had no idea what's been happening in Gaza before this recent war. I'm ashamed, but atleast I know the truth and will speak up to the truth

  • @plateoshrimp9685
    @plateoshrimp9685 Před 11 měsíci +87

    So embarrassing for Dershowitz. Too funny.

    • @leoandolino4668
      @leoandolino4668 Před 9 měsíci +5

      Dirtshowitz was/is no match for Prof. Finklestein.

  • @faisaliqbal4982
    @faisaliqbal4982 Před 8 měsíci +8

    Lucky to have heard this debate live in my car while driving around lower manhattan.

    • @jamalgrant9335
      @jamalgrant9335 Před 7 měsíci +1

      I play it driving around Brooklyn 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @faisaliqbal4982
      @faisaliqbal4982 Před 7 měsíci

      What a time it was. Now everything going down the drain.@@jamalgrant9335

  • @SvalbardSleeperDistrict
    @SvalbardSleeperDistrict Před 11 měsíci +21

    The audio recording of that encounter in the restaurant is on the Norman Finkelstein Channel on YT, titled Strangers in the Night.

    • @cognitionup5211
      @cognitionup5211 Před 8 měsíci

      Gonna watch for sure!

    • @BushaBandulu
      @BushaBandulu Před 7 měsíci

      Thx for posting. I listened to it. It is damning… Deesh is petulant. A fraud.

  • @DiogenesNephew
    @DiogenesNephew Před 8 měsíci +20

    Man I wasn't expecting to see Norm commit 1st degree murder on camera 😂

  • @ludviglidstrom6924
    @ludviglidstrom6924 Před 11 měsíci +31

    Norman “I went through the footnotes” Finkelstein. He is the Napoleon of reading footnotes!

  • @jamesmcmillan2656
    @jamesmcmillan2656 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Just discovered this man recently. Big fan now.

  • @elizabethfaraone
    @elizabethfaraone Před 9 měsíci +12

    I’ll never forget that debate.

  • @nbach2202
    @nbach2202 Před 8 měsíci +8

    I'm having a great time with you four. Couldn't stop laughing. Thanks ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @tedmusson5179
    @tedmusson5179 Před 9 měsíci +9

    I love that Norman never takes the path that polishes his apple. He always takes the interpretation that is reasonable but doesn't let himself off the hook..

  • @wygantsh
    @wygantsh Před 8 měsíci +12

    This is pure gold. Thanks.

  • @cv-broker9925
    @cv-broker9925 Před 9 měsíci +24

    I have the upmost respect for this man! His integrity, character and conviction is inspiring! He is an amazing speaker and his knowledge and debate style is the reason why the cowards will not allow him to speak in the mainstream media. Perhaps now that this conflict has escalated, we may hear more from him .

    • @cognitionup5211
      @cognitionup5211 Před 8 měsíci

      We most definitely should hear from, decent truth speaking humans who are not of the pedophelic type!

  • @mack7518
    @mack7518 Před 9 měsíci +20

    This is classic Norman Finklestein at his best

  • @kahutochishisumi9056
    @kahutochishisumi9056 Před 7 měsíci +4

    The only problem with Professor Norman Finkelstein is that he thinks other people will behave as hounourably as he does.

  • @milespaw
    @milespaw Před 9 měsíci +8

    The Devils Advocate perfectly describes Dershowitz!

  • @zrusit9640
    @zrusit9640 Před 11 měsíci +42

    I think the reason why Dershowitz went after Norm so much is because Norm has used deliberate and excesive force against him. Literally, watching the "debate" Norm went guns blazing, ripping Dershowitz to shreds. It wasn't debate, because in a debate there are two sides engaging in arguments, this was so one sided that calling it verbal massacre is more fitting. :D

    • @christopheroldfiable
      @christopheroldfiable Před 9 měsíci +7

      I don’t think he can help it …he’s very passionate - and angry for good reasons children are in fact dying - the dishonest distortion knowingly propagated by people like Dershowitz is disgusting …

    • @zrusit9640
      @zrusit9640 Před 9 měsíci

      @@christopheroldfiable I absolutely condone his passion. Thing is world is ruled by maniacs like Dershowitz.

    • @christopherkucia1071
      @christopherkucia1071 Před 8 měsíci

      Are you saying Finklestien was in the wrong somehow? EVIL SHIT needs to be called out, immediately and with NO compassion involved. Evil frauds SHOULD be called out, shamed, bad things should even happen to them. Not that I’m condoning doing bad things to people, but bad people are way more at risk for bad things to happen to them. Or should I say, evil people deserve more suffering and hardship. Wether that happens via “karma” or by force, Dershowitz deserves so much MORE. Also it totally was a debate. Alan claims this, finklstieb claims that, and the DEBATE was finklstien proving with evidence his point while ALSO discrediting Alan’s points because he is a manipulative conscious evil liar who gets paid to spout propoganda. So it was totally a debate, norm saying “I claim this, opposite of what you claim. Plus also, what you claim is false” when Alan asks him to give evidence and proof of his claims and says NORM is lying about Alan LYING Norman proceeds to then just state and show Alan exactly what he has written and said which are proven evil lies. That IS a debate.
      I’m pretty sure you agree with Norman and enjoyed that “intellectual murder” though, I’m not really complaining or yelling at you. But if your saying norman was out of line, that was too much and Alan didn’t deserve that, and that norm brought the debate to a “not debate” then I am complaining and yelling at you lol.

  • @cmiozzi8940
    @cmiozzi8940 Před 11 měsíci +18

    Amazing debate, thanks for putting it up

  • @stevenjericho
    @stevenjericho Před 8 měsíci +4

    Alan Dershowitz clearly wasn't expecting to be absolutely humiliated by Norman Finkelstein. His surpised and embarrassed face reminded me of those on 'To Catch a Predator'.

  • @Pindi44
    @Pindi44 Před 9 měsíci +16

    Norman always was a lion, Derschowitz always a clown. This video shows this clearly

    • @unggrabb
      @unggrabb Před 8 měsíci +1

      Dershowitch tries to talk over everyone because he knows he is wrong. A fake fraudulent fool

  • @justatiger6268
    @justatiger6268 Před 8 měsíci +7

    1:50 OMG Finkelstein already killed me with his humour 😂🤣 Just perfect timing, exquisite example of dry comedy

  • @9Fahim
    @9Fahim Před 8 měsíci +3

    i watched this when i was around 20 years old; amazing memories you bring back guys

  • @phasis
    @phasis Před 9 měsíci +15

    This. Is. So. Good.
    I could listen to Norman Finkelstein almost forever. And I’ve avidly hated Alan Dershowitz since Von Bülow.
    Also - fun to see a pre-woke Amy Goodman.

  • @truevulgarian
    @truevulgarian Před 11 měsíci +5

    re: Torture, I'm reminded of something Chomsky has pointed out on many occasions. When the Nuremburg trials were created at the end of WWII, the crimes with which the Nazis were charged had to be acts that the allies did not commit since, by definition, anything OUR side does is legal.

  • @omarco3971
    @omarco3971 Před 9 měsíci +8

    The way Norm takes down Dersh the repellent Douche 🤡 is a master class in ass whoopin’. [👩🏻‍🍳’s kiss] Every few years I watch this debate to lift my spirits. It’s interesting how Sam Harris has parroted Dersh’s $10,000 bet and the ticking time bomb thought experiment.

  • @Elboogie404
    @Elboogie404 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Saw this interview two nights ago. This is a masterclass in how to eviscerate your opponent’s spurious arguments in a slow, methodical fashion.

  • @jazzvec
    @jazzvec Před 9 měsíci +6

    Dershowitz got utterly destroyed in the debate, it is hard to watch. It also shows in a bad light the whole Harward Law School as an institution. I would never want to study there after watching this debate.

  • @cameronrobson1218
    @cameronrobson1218 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Consider this: if this debate had happened a couple months earlier, it would have been Barry White whose death was being commemorated by having his music played over that footage.

  • @joshuaklein2859
    @joshuaklein2859 Před 11 měsíci +16

    Thanks for clarifying it was an Indian restaurant...😂... my favorite food.... love ya Norman

    • @irismurray2428
      @irismurray2428 Před 11 měsíci

      Was that where Norman confronted him in the restaurant- my heart was racing for that one !! Was great to see him squirming

    • @boxerfencer
      @boxerfencer Před 9 měsíci

      @@irismurray2428 see him?

    • @jwf2125
      @jwf2125 Před 7 měsíci

      @@irismurray2428You didn’t “see” him squirming, because he wasn’t there to defend himself. You only imagined it.
      I think AD is unhinged about Is/Pal, but I wouldn’t spend three hours attacking him behind his back. Cowardly. Let’s have a 2023 Norm/Alan debate.

  • @truevulgarian
    @truevulgarian Před 11 měsíci +12

    There may be some points on which I disagree with Norman Finkelstein. But I have immense respect for his opinion which is based on historical record and factual arguments and not sophistry like Dersh. If it were not for Norm's participation, this performance by Dersh would be unwatchable.

    • @jamalgrant9335
      @jamalgrant9335 Před 7 měsíci

      I'm so curious, which points?

    • @truevulgarian
      @truevulgarian Před 7 měsíci

      @@jamalgrant9335I don't know his current position. But I remember some years ago he used to say the one-state solution is a non-starter and supported 2 states. I have held the one-state solution as the only viable option for both peoples to co-exist on the same piece of land for as far back as I can remember. Forgive me if I misunderstood his position.

    • @jamalgrant9335
      @jamalgrant9335 Před 7 měsíci

      @@truevulgarian I hear u, an it would be nice to have that. Like thousands of years ago. But the problem is , like Mr king Nazer king of Egypt in 1958 the Jews left black an came back white. Just imagine if they didn't step into the mix

  • @tedmusson5179
    @tedmusson5179 Před 9 měsíci +6

    I truly love Norman.

  • @aptorres01
    @aptorres01 Před 8 měsíci

    Great work guys 👏

  • @Markdmarque
    @Markdmarque Před 9 měsíci +8

    Palestinians Need to be given their land and homes back. They were stolen by force by these settlers

    • @jds614
      @jds614 Před 8 měsíci +1

      It was given to them by the British who won in war.
      Sorry do war better. Many borders have been drawn like this
      There never has been a state of Palestine btw
      It was a territory.
      Israel is the only nation there

    • @karimb972
      @karimb972 Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@jds614won ? It's not a prize. The British had no business to give it to anyone but the natives. Palestine preexists Judaic presence on that land. Jews don't even come from that land. The Jewish kingdoms lasted a shorter time than the Islamic dominance of the region. Palestinians are the direct descendants of the people that were there in Neolithic. The modern State of Israel was founded by Europeans with no direct link to the land. They were forced off by terror. You can deny it but it's the fact whether you like it or not

  • @j_freed
    @j_freed Před 8 měsíci +4

    Norman really did not take human nature into account --- Dershowitz felt he was being ambushed by the encounter, that his entire public reputation was being destroyed on the spot, so that for such a vain and unforgiving man as Dershowitz, this was quite unforgivable.
    At very least, you cannot predict what harm such a man will do… At worst, you can assume he'll try to destroy you.

  • @9Fahim
    @9Fahim Před 8 měsíci +2

    my god; what a watch this was; all 4 speakers on here were top NOTCH

  • @Skabanis
    @Skabanis Před 9 měsíci +5

    More humans should be like Norm

  • @zhoubaidinh403
    @zhoubaidinh403 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Turnspeak...that's gonna look so nice on his death stone...

  • @VesnaVK
    @VesnaVK Před 8 měsíci +1

    Looking for the full 59 minute Democracy Now episode from September 2003? It's on a channel named "Justin." The video title is "Norman Finkelstein VS Alan Dershowitz - A Lively Debate on Democracy Now". There's a direct link in a comment below. Sometimes CZcams blocks comments with URLs, so I just put in the description here.

  • @watermelonslice.s
    @watermelonslice.s Před 8 měsíci +2

    I was born in Abu Dhabi, so i didn't get to meet a lot of jews growing up. The best I knew about jewish culture or I should say - every day jews - was from the few books I read, a few flicks I watched..
    One line that always stuck with me about Jews was by...I think his name was Richard Ben Cramer?
    In portraying their competitiveness for demonstrating knowledge, I think the idiom went “I’ll show you from where a fish pisses.”
    I don’t think I have EVER understood the depth of that idiom until I heard Norman go: “Footnote 10, Footnote 11, Footnote 12, Footnote 13, Footnote 14…”
    The sheer scholarly carnage this man unleashed on Alan would explain why these mainstream stenographers would pretend to be hard of hearing the moment Norman is ever brought up.
    I’m now entertaining a wishful dream of Shapiro accepting a proposed debate with Norman. This 70 year old could arrive medicated at the debate table and he’d still make him squeal - if a shrimp could squeal, of course.

  • @NobuhikuObayashi
    @NobuhikuObayashi Před 6 měsíci

    Legendary smack down of a debate

  • @shanihandel9621
    @shanihandel9621 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I had to choose between aliens on TIR, or "my NORM", so I missed this live. 👽👽👽

  • @jaredandrews5806
    @jaredandrews5806 Před 11 měsíci +6

    Savage, Norm!

  • @_singram1588
    @_singram1588 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Good for you Norman. Glad you stood strong against AD. You are an interesting person I am discovering.

  • @nicholasrichard-thompson6209
    @nicholasrichard-thompson6209 Před 8 měsíci +5

    Norm cooked Alan lol

  • @reinerwilhelms-tricarico344
    @reinerwilhelms-tricarico344 Před 10 měsíci +4

    I didn't hear the disclaimer "Alan Dershowitz did not respond to the invitation to this discussion". Or did I not pay attention? 🙃

    • @jwf2125
      @jwf2125 Před 7 měsíci

      Yes, will someone please give that time stamp if it exists? It would make this whole maturbatory bashfest seem a little less cowardly. And I’m not even a Dershowitz fan.

  • @moe9196
    @moe9196 Před 7 měsíci

    I'm a long time admirer of Dr. Norman Finkelstein . Thanks for having him on the show Ben Burgis . I may be a socialist but I'm certainly not woke . Hence I will say, not only is Jordan Dubin intelligent , has a good sense of humor, a pleasant yet fascinating colorful demeanor , she's also an attractive woman . i know , i know , my grammar and syntax are terrible .

  • @claudiamason.
    @claudiamason. Před 8 měsíci +3

    NORMAN FINKELSTEIN - THANK YOU.

  • @ccahill2322
    @ccahill2322 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Mark Twain also said that he understood why Christ walked on the water on the Sea of Galilee since the Arab boatman charged Mark 8 dollars to go out on the sea on a boat.

  • @harkyo
    @harkyo Před 9 měsíci +4

    Dershowitz is way out of his depth. Finkelstein has spent over 40 years studying the conflict in Israel/Palestine.

  • @tedmusson5179
    @tedmusson5179 Před 9 měsíci +4

    Amy, are you incapable of saying "please shut up Mr dershowitz while Mr Finkelstein is speaking...?"

    • @jwf2125
      @jwf2125 Před 7 měsíci

      I’m guessing you favor F from your overlooking all his interruptions. She failed at reining in both of them. Dersh interrupted more at the beginning, but Norm caught up fast.

  • @nico_mezare
    @nico_mezare Před 9 měsíci +1

    What's the opening song ?
    It's a banger

  • @justatiger6268
    @justatiger6268 Před 8 měsíci +3

    20:40 Jesus Christ.
    I knew Dershowitz was pure garbage but this was a new level altogether

  • @BeijingYank
    @BeijingYank Před 9 měsíci +3

    Norman cleaned Dershowitz’s clock.

  • @chenzomutumbo9140
    @chenzomutumbo9140 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Edward Said was brilliant..... said vs Sam Hutchinson on orientalism and clash of civilizations would be good for a break down

  • @aliveandwellinisrael7944
    @aliveandwellinisrael7944 Před 3 měsíci

    I love how excited Finkelstein sounds and how much fun hes having.

  • @givepeaceachance940
    @givepeaceachance940 Před 11 měsíci +4

    I’m super surprised at you Ben- why are you not addressing Dershowitz’ main claim, that it wouldn’t behoove him to deflate the number, but rather inflate it?

    • @mikeyoungblood1642
      @mikeyoungblood1642 Před 11 měsíci

      Dershowitz is a fraud

    • @faintfives
      @faintfives Před 6 měsíci

      Because it’s irrelevant. He said to find errors, an error was found. To then debate the claim that it hurt his argument (which I disagree with personally) would then devolve the conversation further. You are now debating whether or not that would hurt or help his argument instead of the validity of the claims. On top of that the entire book is fraudulent so why even give merit to such lowly unfounded claims?

  • @lamars2486
    @lamars2486 Před 11 měsíci

    26:36 he had an example of this on the view a few years back, they were shocked, i could only laff

  • @buddinganarchist
    @buddinganarchist Před 11 měsíci +2

    The bookshelf looms.

  • @hansfiedeldeij-vx5jl
    @hansfiedeldeij-vx5jl Před 8 měsíci +1

    I love Norman. he is a true Human.

  • @dirkturtle3354
    @dirkturtle3354 Před 11 měsíci +6

    What does Amy have against Dersh to extend this massacre well past the initial schedule?

  • @jeanhartely
    @jeanhartely Před 9 měsíci +3

    This is absolutely delicious, and it's ageing like fine wine.

  • @ErenYaegerPhilosophy
    @ErenYaegerPhilosophy Před 6 měsíci

    This is not the full interview there is an extended version of it where Alan claimed to have contributions in writing UN resolution 242. The real fun happens in the missing extended part😂

  • @mohsinraza2931
    @mohsinraza2931 Před 8 měsíci +3

    I feel sorry for Norman that he has to sit across SCUM like Alan Derschowitz .

  • @davidsegal9453
    @davidsegal9453 Před 11 měsíci +3

    I’m 52 and perhaps when I was a small child Dersh was a civil libertarian.

  • @Ditka-89
    @Ditka-89 Před 7 měsíci +1

    57:12 wow Finkelstein was clearly smitten with Jordan

  • @zhoubaidinh403
    @zhoubaidinh403 Před 8 měsíci

    Amy Goodman's just loving this too much!!!Love it!

    • @jwf2125
      @jwf2125 Před 7 měsíci

      She did a bad job of moderating. She should have shutting all that interrupting (by both parties) down.

  • @dannyesse3043
    @dannyesse3043 Před 3 měsíci

    It actually starts at 1:12

  • @JaredBauer
    @JaredBauer Před 11 měsíci +1

    Hey Ben! You should debate Matt Johnson, author of the recent “how Hitchens can Save The Left.” He talks some mad sh*t about your book!

    • @BenBurgisGTAA
      @BenBurgisGTAA  Před 11 měsíci +2

      I sort of did, on the Areo podcast before either of our books came out, though the original version ended up being so long and shouty that we all decided to rerecord and what was eventually put out was a lot blander. A year and a half ago, I also responded in excruciating detail to several parts of his nonsensical and illiterate critique of my book:
      medium.com/@benburgis/matt-johnson-didnt-read-my-hitchens-book-very-carefully-8623a87781a7

    • @JaredBauer
      @JaredBauer Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@BenBurgisGTAAthanks for the link!

  • @pumpupthevolume4775
    @pumpupthevolume4775 Před 6 měsíci +1

    "Talmudist and sheister" Pretty accurate on the individual and the occupation.

  • @steelcom5976
    @steelcom5976 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Quite a trick to change the definition of colonial/colony to suit the movement of the Jews to Palestine.

    • @nattycooper6622
      @nattycooper6622 Před 8 měsíci

      Jews had never left The Land of Israel. True, many were scattered after the uprising against the Roman Empire (Arabs were not even around then). But the Land of Israel NEVER belonged to the local arabs and the local arabs NEVER had a state of their own. Jews began returng to their homeland under the Othman Turks and later under the British rule.
      Study History, read the Bible and the Qur'an - it's written there that Allah gave this land to Israel. The Arabs came out against Allah, attacked the Jews - and lost. That's it. A conclusion - don't come out against Allah, don't attack the Jews, and you won't be needing to complain.

  • @jenniferrowe2419
    @jenniferrowe2419 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Blaming Mike Tyson's victim? He says that he's not woke. He should say that he's sexist. Ugh

  • @lamars2486
    @lamars2486 Před 11 měsíci +1

    27:37 😅😅😅😅 omg, love the laffs 😅😅

  • @touchofclassfun6984
    @touchofclassfun6984 Před 9 měsíci

    Love Jordan, lovely lady and demeanour.
    Amy should have stopped Allen from interrupted Norman !!
    “Collateral damage”has been an accepted doctrine in the west.

    • @jwf2125
      @jwf2125 Před 7 měsíci

      I’m guessing that a count of each’s interruptions would come out pretty even. She was too weak in controlling the conversation.

  • @busbeard
    @busbeard Před 8 měsíci +1

    this should come with a health warning

  • @j_freed
    @j_freed Před 8 měsíci

    American Radical and Defamation are both excellent documentary films that encompass seriousness, curiosity and a good human spirit.

  • @cheri238
    @cheri238 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Whitney Webb 's an American journalist book explains a lot a lot about the connection between Epstein and others.
    Amy Goodman , Juan Gonzalez, and team Democracy now have always been a great journalism for America. I remember this debate. I was living in NYC when Derkowitz got Claus Von Bullo off. I knew then something was wrong. I was in a restaurant, and they all were at the next table with the soap star actress that Von Bullo was involved with.
    Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) was a journalist, writer of essays, satirist and novels and one of America's greatest writers. Orwell, who has not read, "1984" and "Animal Farm?"Mr. Norm Finkelstein definitely won this debate.
    I do have respect for lawyers that become lawyers for the service to others, but lawyers that are in just to win with no scruples, paid big money in prestigious law firms have no character, no morals, and we have many of those in our country even today.
    American history on all sides and world histories are a must.
    Free Palestine, apartitide is wrong.
    Zionism, fasicm, racism are words of ignorance.Tortue of any kind is heinous and laws were changed to benefit those that loved wars for profits against international law and human rights.
    Free Julian Assange!!
    Thank you all for this discussion.
    In addition if I may also add, my brother, Tommy Wayne Wheeler, was on the USS Liberty Navel Ship AGTR-5, 1967 6-day war. A book was written by James M. Ennes, Jr.,
    on this ship with many documentaries about our American men on that ship that Israel bombed. Lies with the Johnson administration that were hidden. That war was when the Golan Heights were taken over.

    • @christopherkucia1071
      @christopherkucia1071 Před 8 měsíci

      Have you listened to democracy now recently? I used to LOVE them listening to 88.1 (CT WESU radio) in the mornings but ever since trump was elected they went HARD woke democrat Biden Hillary propoganda…. Now they are pro killing Palestinians, pro prolonging and egging on and starting the ukraine war, they are propping up voices that are war mongering about Venezuela, Taiwan etc….. they are now just straight democrat party propoganda. They are paid directly and given their script by the CIA, FBI, Mossad, MI6 and democrat party. (I can’t PROVE that but I’m sure if I look at their funding I’ll see a ton of big pharma and “defense” (ITS FUCKING OFFENSE AND WAR) industry. Probably the intelligence agencies too.
      Do you know this? Have you listened to them recently? I’m really curious to know if you’ve heard them recently and if you outright disagree with me. I used to be a democrat progressive liberal, but my party and all the old news sources and friends I used to have have alienated me and forced me out after all the woke identity politic stuff. I USED to hold democracy now in the highest regard, they were my GO TO and now they have been compromised 100% id like for you to listen to them on some of the recent issues (because I feel like if you think they are still so great and truthful you must NOT have listened to them in at least 4 years) but now I’m starting to feel like you watched them yesterday or something and are still saying that…. Amy Goldman was my hero and now she is the mouthpiece for the elite and the intelligence agencies…

  • @jimj2405
    @jimj2405 Před 8 měsíci

    Is this how you pontificate , regurgitate , indulge ? It seems there is nothing urgent . It is only nov. 12 1:45am 2023

  • @psalm5187
    @psalm5187 Před 7 měsíci

    Doesn't the word holocaust mean sacrificial burnt offering according to the Hebrew Torah within the book of Genesis when describing the offering of Adams son Abel ?

  • @lpadron13
    @lpadron13 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Brutal

  • @joshmcgillivray4340
    @joshmcgillivray4340 Před 11 měsíci +5

    2:18:00 German attitudes to Israel aren’t nearly as one-dimensional as you make out. A 2015 poll (one I’ve seen Finkelstein citing) found that the only country Germans dislike more than Israel is North Korea (Finkelstein responded that he thought this was unfair to North Korea.)

    • @jordandubin
      @jordandubin Před 11 měsíci +1

      Thanks for the clarification, I'm unfamiliar with whatever polling you're referencing. I should have clarified this was regarding political parties and media representation.

    • @joshmcgillivray4340
      @joshmcgillivray4340 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@jordandubin I did try to find the poll online (which I saw ages back) but I couldn’t get it. Finkelstein references it in a video called something like, “Could Pope Francis end the Israel-Palestine conflict?” But it is true that most German parties are strongly pro-Israel (for pretty straightforward psychological reasons) and the relentless support of their country for Israel may in fact be one reason for the public’s disillusionment with it.

    • @jordandubin
      @jordandubin Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@joshmcgillivray4340 thank you! I'll look for that. Totally makes sense.

    • @jds614
      @jds614 Před 8 měsíci

      Noone cares about the Germans opinion on Israel
      For obvious reasons

  • @bitmoreluv
    @bitmoreluv Před 3 měsíci

    Awesome. TY. And a great respect and acknowledgment to Norm Finkelstein for the extraordinary work he is doing. BTW, 26:35 is exactly on point. And that focus and emphasis on endless nonsense for the sake of nonsense is a deliberate strategic training so as to prevent the look inward; and now, horrors! is exactly what has been framed for the world, i.e. a world in their image, and the world is caught in that and has no clue. ..............
    Don Juan, Carlos Castaneda:
    "We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The Predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so... I have been beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is holding us prisoner. Indeed we are held prisoner! "This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico ... They took us over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, the predators rear us in human coops, humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them. .... Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradictions between the intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behaviour. Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of belief, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal." "'But how can they do this, don Juan? [Carlos] asked, somehow angered further by what [don Juan] was saying. "'Do they whisper all that in our ears while we are asleep?" "'No, they don't do it that way. That's idiotic!" don Juan said, smiling. "They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that. In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous manoeuvre stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous manoeuvre from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now."

  • @maliwilliams7262
    @maliwilliams7262 Před 9 měsíci

    Blanket Indictment is Alway's Disingenuous, However, those of this (Dubious) "Ethnicities" SILENCE is DAMNING... I've ALWAYS Respected this Man's Integrity!!🧐🧐

  • @IHLWonk
    @IHLWonk Před 3 měsíci

    The irony is: Both Finkelstein nor Dershowitz understood basic IHL at the time, and both still don't today.
    To those of us who actually know international law-both were an embarrassment.

  • @songweaver6076
    @songweaver6076 Před 8 měsíci

    THE BEST!!! WAtch this!!!

  • @saschaatta1
    @saschaatta1 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Norman is an American hero... thank you...

  • @CrushingMight
    @CrushingMight Před 8 měsíci +1

    Norm absolutely decimated Alan, total bulldozing.. fun yet uncomfortable to watch.. 🥊🥊🥊💀💀💀

  • @MrFasikaH
    @MrFasikaH Před 4 měsíci

    Tremendous respect to Dr Finkelstein. ❤

  • @MBluzette
    @MBluzette Před 6 měsíci

    Dershowitz makes a point of addressing his adversary as "Mr. Finkelstein." Norman Finkelstein earned a doctorate in political science from Princeton. He is "Dr. Finkelstein."