Paper Mario is NOT an Ordinary Nintendo Remake
Vložit
- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- It is really hard to say something unique about Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door after all the discussion this last week, so I want to get straight to the point: this remake might be the only opportunity we get to bring back the old Paper Mario style. There is no benefit of the doubt here if the game doesn't do well - this in a sense could be a put or shut up notice coming directly from Nintendo.
To those of you who played and enjoyed this game and want to play a sequel in the same style, you need to get this remake. To those of you who have never played this game before - you owe it yourself to. This is a very special game that truly stands out even amongst all other Mario games. I can't recommend it enough. Recommend the remake to friends if you enjoyed it! Every last copy counts.
In this video, I want to briefly discuss the Paper Mario series overall. While many point to the newer games as bad, I think that both Color Splash and Origami King were good games that could've been excellent with just a few different design choices. In some ways, they are stronger than the classics, and in a best case scenario, I think the best aspects from old and new could truly be combined alongside some new mechanics. But we have to be vocal about what is good to begin with, and that really involves analyzing the design of these games too.
0:00 Not Enough New Games
1:43 This Remake Stands Out
4:08 Needless Limitations to Games
8:13 Lack of Confidence in Paper Mario
10:27 Our Opportunity for Change
Online Mario Kart: mariokartcentral.com
Rook's Domain: / discord
♪ Delightful Spekkio
♪ Glitzville
♪ The Enigmansion
♪ Snif City
♪ Excess Express at Dusk
♪ Battle (TTYD)
Outro: • Sweet, Sweet Victory (... - Hry
My stance on blind consumerism: czcams.com/channels/O97Q6N-UNaoZWPUibpS5bA.htmlcommunity?lb=Ugkx46cHkQfr4RN2vLbhG9kqltpcvwH8tmLM
I'm buying 5 copies.
Good, give me one, Share with the class :)
@@PixelShiftss I'm buying two physical copies for myself, one for collecting purposes the other for my modded switch, the third is gonna be a gift to my best friend, the 2 digitals will be one for my unmodded switch and one for my xbox friend of over 10 years.
@@megaman37456Thank you for your service in the paper mario community dude
:>
@@cinnamorollteaparty I'm doing for three reasons:
1) I love TTYD
2) I want my friends to love TTYD
3) I want to do everything in my power to make sure we NEVER get another Paper Mario like Color Spalsh, Sticker Star or Paper Jam EVER again.
@@megaman37456 *emotional clapping through the smartphone*
Paper Mario: TTYD was truly a gem on the GameCube. It's one of those games that takes everything that made the previous game great, and expands and improves on those things to a massive degree. It's really exciting that so many people are gonna get the chance to play it for the first time now!
Well a different version of it. They’ve shown differences between them and there’s a good bit they’ve needlessly cut out or just gave the ol “It’s a quality of life change” type of thing to little things.
Example- the note you read while taking the boat is not there in the remake.
i honestly just can't understand why everyone loves it so much
i played it and it was quite honestly just a miserable experience, the sheer amount of backtracking in the game is unlike anything i've ever seen or heard of before, it's like something i'd make as a joke just to fuck with people and waste their time
and i doubt the modern gaming audience (assuming they're not blind) will take so kindly to walking back and forth for 40 hours either..
unless of course nintendo completely restructures almost the entire game to fix that issue, in which case it's like an 7.5 out of 10 🤷♂
Thankfully it seems this remake is being developed in house by intelligent systems so I’m sure regardless of sales, even if not an exact return to form, the next Paper Mario game is more likely to take inspiration from TTYD with them just having wrapped up on the remake!
just keep Tanabe AWAY from it.
@@TheShiningEnergyFacts. He ruined Paper Mario
@@Wario1382 yes. though, i am going off only what interviews have shown, and what people have said.
@@TheShiningEnergytanabe is literally the producer of this remake
@@ausgod538 as long as he's heavily supervised, and not left alone, i'm ok with that.
Telling people to support this remake is like telling them to breathe oxygen, of bloody course they well support it 100%
You'd be surprised 😄 A lot of people pirate everything these days. I can understand the frustration with lazy remakes or low effort games. But this time is definitely not one of those times!
@@HDRookieHonestly I think a lot of you are taking the entirely wrong impression from this situation.
The goal was always to retransition Paper Mario back to being an RPG series after Alpha Dream; and thus the Mario & Luigi series, went under.
The whole point to Super Paper Mario going down a different route in the first place was three fold:
• it was originally planned for the Gamecube, which had notoriously lackluster RPG sales compared to the PS2
• Nintendo did not want to release another game in a near identical format on the same console (Super Paper Mario was pushed back and reworked into a Switch title)
• why bother having two concurrent Mario RPG series run side-by-side and potentially eat into each other's sales when RPGs were selling like crazy on the GBA?
So in that vein the Paper Mario series became like a halfway point between a Mario RPG and Yoshi game: a vehicle whose primary purpose was to experiment with innovative arts and crafts visual styles and experimental gameplay ideas.
But with the Mario & Luigi series effectively dead in the water that leaves space for Nintendo to slide Paper Mario right back into its original position as the go-to Mario RPG.
Like, you really think it's a coincidence that after Alpha Dream dies we get two Mario RPGs on the same home console for the first time ever?
Or that it's essentially an inverse of the Super Paper Mario situation, starting with one off brand Paper Mario game and one classic RPG style one?
So yeah, I'm calling their bluff.
They chose TTYD solely to make the fandom feel like Nintendo *finally* heard them and gave them what they wanted, and they'll feel all special and warm and fuzzy thinking that they made this happen when it's literally just Nintendo doing exactly what it planned to do ever since Alpha Dream kicked the bucket.
Still hope it and SMRPG sell well because they're both awesome, but suffice it to say that I think Paper Mario is going the RPG route regardless of TTYD's sales.
@@StomachPlugI don't buy that they were eating into the sales of the Mario & Luigi games. These aren't multiplayer games with similar mechanics... they're entirely different RPG games. Having a new, unique, game every year or two was great. Fans of one series typically liked and supported the other (for instance, i am a pm first and have a M&L themed alias), and it's not like they were always on the same system either.
Perhaps the mindset did change since Sticker Star came to the 3DS. But I think they were pretty stupid to make these assumptions. Sticker Star barely outsold TTYD despite being on a far more successful console. And Dream Team sold less than Bowser's Inside Story despite clearly being the better game between it and Sticker Star. Even with Super's changes to TTYD, the most successful era sales wise of PM/M&L were the 3rd generation, where there was a huge focus on story in both SPM/BiS. They always could co-exist.
Perhaps the need for more RPGs did open up after Alphadream went under, but I think it is also plausible to think that they were wrong to begin with, and that these events just lined up in the same time period.
The reason why I think this is because it would make plenty of sense for them to just start a new Mario RPG series in place of M&L instead of going back to Paper Mario for it, because Paper Mario had turned into something else. Them turning PM back into a RPG would be an acknowledgment that new PM is not necessary to them. Which again, implies a mistake was made.
But SHOULD they is the question? Where's Metroid Prime 4 Nintendo?
@@HDRookie I never said that I believe that the games ate into each other's sales, I was talking about Nintendo corporate *believing* that they would eat into each other's sales. You need to understand that this was both still within the midlife of console wars (where people would needlessly bicker about why the others suck out of brand loyalty) but kids were also generally the receiver of games and not making purchases themselves. A lot of parents of the era also didn't make very informed purchasing decisions and having a mentality line "we already got you a Mario RPG, why do you need another one?" were hardly uncommon.
The corporate side of the company has to keep an eye out for what they perceive to be possible riadbunpa like this and they often end up taking what appear to be baffling decisions from the outside to the wider community that isn't privy to those meetings.
Also, while your point on them being completely different kinds of games is true from the perspective of someone fully invested in them, that is simply not the perspective of people in charge of marketing or okaying a product:
• notably unrealistic cartoony art style with a heavy chibi lean
• RPG with exploration that is informed primarily by jumping, with world interaction fueled by field skills wherein Mario and their partner cooperate to perform a specialized action to grant new traversal opportunities
• turn based gameplay using lower digit mathematics compared to other contemporary RPGs to make them more approachable to a wider audience
• player choice is incorporated by allowing them to choose which stat increases at level up
• the player controls two characters at a time during combat
• all characters; player and enemy, get one action per turn rather than number of actions being based on a speed stat calculation, generally starting with the player's turn
• player attacks primarily by jumping or using a hammer, and both of these actions can also be used during field traversal
• utilizes a timed input mechanic during combat to both increase damage output and reduce damage taken, with alternative controls (such as tilting the control stick among others) being applied to input special moves or alternate attack methods
• acquire both new combat and field skills in tandem throughout story progress, the new abilities the player gains this way are repurposed versions of the same action in both field and combat, such as Mario using a hammer on the other party member to send them beneath the ground or Mario jumping on the other party member to launch them forward
--------------------------------------------
Really, I could go on and on, like Bowser generally serving as a secondary antagonist that actually ends up helping Mario in the long run, the very silly and fourth wall leaning dialogue, star shaped collectible story Macguffins needed to stop the bad guys, use of mushrooms as primary healing items, etc., etc., so on and so forth.
I reiterate: you and I; as people that are genuinely invested and play these games, understand the nuances all of these things entail, but there are an absolute metric ton of shared concepts and design choices that both of these series take that are a very specific and particular flavor that only Mario RPGs have. Things which were generally established by the very first game in this overarching Mario subseries itself, Super Mario RPG.
This is the kind of broad strokes understanding that the corporate side of a company uses to make the financial decisions, it's not like their team of lawyers and analysts and board members all go and play through every single game Nintendo releases, especially not something that requires 10+ hours of play to reach completion. On their end it is just product that needs to be pushed to maximize payback to stockholders.
I really think you misunderstand just how poorly RPGs were selling on Nintendo home consoles with the start of the 3D era.
Nobody played Tactics Ogre 64: Person of Lordly Calibur.
Nobody played Beaten Kaitos and even less people played its sequel, and both of these games were made by Monolith Soft and are considered cult classics.
Mother and Fire Emblem didn't bother to appear on the N64 at all, and Path of Radiance on Gamecube (and later its sequel on Wii) sold incredibly poorly compared to more mainline Nintendo properties, well below corporate expectations, and even substantially below previous installments.
Even the home console Pokémon RPG titles only sold sort of okay.
This Nintendo home console RPG stigma lasted even into the Wii era, it's literally why Nintendo of America refused to bring Xenoblade/ The last Story/ Pandora's Tower over until Operation Rainfall was a success and NOE offered to front the localization costs.
All of this stuff comes from the same corporate decisions, and a lot of that was based on the idea that players go to Nintendo consoles to play more action and family oriented content. Turn-based RPGs were just not regularly wowing people on home console systems at the time and all in-game graphics were quickly catching up to the level of the high fidelity cutscenes that made the genre explode in popularity in the first place.
Taking all of these things into account and combining that with Mario being the mascot of the company, can you really be surprised that the corporate side of Nintendo was worried about releasing a Mario RPG on console?
They were absolutely stupid to make these assumptions, I agree with you.
I agree that coexistence was a possibility, but hindsight is 20/20 and they were hedging their bets on what they saw as downward sales trends in the console RPG genre.
Note that I keep pointing out consoles here, handheld RPGs were doing great to the point that we got great ports/ remakes/ new entries in Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Shin Megami Tensei among plenty of others.
Console game budgets were ballooning (RPGs in particular, because now you're making fully 3D assets for the zillion places that the characters travel to and the 200 monster beastiary), the number of console sales shrank (until the Wii), console RPG sales were going down...
This is when we hit that horrible era of "brown" videogames here too, primarily as a result of the Sony PS1 new player boom and people just growing out of more colorful and cartoony experiences.
It sucks, but all of this was the perceived trend at the time, and right or wrong Nintendo corporate figured that diversifying Paper Mario into another genre was the best money making opportunity throughout all of this.
The collective spite and unfulfilled expectations of the established Paper Mario fandom was considered an acceptable loss when faced with all of that, and it's why TTYD is dressed up like an apology for all of those years of taking the wrong road.
They're never going to publicly acknowledge it more than that.
This is our opportunity to finally get the old paper mario games back guys, we only have this one shot and we have to make the best out of it 👍
I REALLY think you're overshooting here. No offense.
@@Nick-up5wv I respect your opinion man, but I am just tired of seeing this great spin-off series get more and more bland and boring over the years
@@cinnamorollteaparty It's because Intelligent Systems and Square Enix were behind the other titles. When Nintendo took the reigns they clearly didn't know what they were doing. If Gamefreak ever quits Pokémon will suck under 100% control of Nintendo. It's kinda like how Disney took over Marvel and Star Wars. They don't know what to do with the IP's. So they just rehash old nostalgia bate and hope for the best. That's what this is unfortunately. It's not Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door. It's Paper Mario: A Thousand Member Berries.
@cinnamorollteaparty they were sitting on a gold mine here and they took it. But you think they gona invest Ina. New one? Highly doubt it. They stated how mucht hey didn't like this game. They aren't going to have people work on another.good one atleast.
@@EpicTacoSenpai Thank you. You get it. Maybe you should explain these points to my well-meaning, but Nintendo Fanboy friend.
I genuinely believe this remake will outsell Origami King. I don't even think it's being marketed as a remake funnily enough. I wonder how many people will think it's just the next installment in the series. And it might as well be considering how inaccessible TTYD has been for the longest time. Oh man this is promising. I'll definitely be buying several copies to do my part.
Even the original TTYD outsold OK if you compare the % based on console units sold.
It was touched on in this video, but raw 1:1 sales figures are kinda hard to use when the switch sold 129m and the Gamecube sold only 21m.
OK sold 3.3milion units, TTYD sold 1.9million. That's not even twice the units sold, on a console that sold over five times better.
TTTYD had a nearly 10% "install base", OK managed below 3%.
@@Bladius_ I wish more people looked at sales this way.
@AkameGaKillfan777 but why? It's not indicicative of how many units were actually sold? That's a weird ass thing to say.
@@MightyZia Because any half-wit can say "oh this game sold more, therefore people like it better." You need to look at the bigger picture.
Well it’s already sold out on Amazon that’s a big sign.
You know how the Pikmin community took over time square… we need to do that but with this game.
4:06 I actually never realized that line was so similar across all three games. That's wild.
There's other things too. Every chapter 5 has a companion that joins you on an exploration as well, for instance.
I never noticed that line before. Wasn’t looking for it. Grodus saying he loathes Mario was more memorable, but now that I see this it looks like a running joke somehow.
I'm surprised so many characters have tongues.
The possibility of combining the art style and world exploration of new Paper Mario, and the RPG battle system, story, and worldbuilding of old Paper Mario would be amazing.
The Thousand Year Door announcement finally got me to get into playing the original Paper Mario on N64 Switch Online and…oh man. I’m falling more in love with the series way faster than I ever did with Sticker Star and Origami King, despite me somewhat enjoying the latter.
Origami King is a fun game. The OG Paper Mario's admittedly have a hard to match charm though. Really hope that feeling is maintained in the transition to HD.
@@HDRookieagreed. I went back to play old paper mario and I'm not gona be some nostalgia nerd. Shit was not as fun as ttyd but here's hoping if they do make a nee paper mario they leave it like this
13:00, Imagine the game releasing, and having a secondary game mode (Like many other remakes/re-releases have had a secondary mode) where you play as Luigi using the same story beats as how Luigi describes it!
so happy nintendo decided to remake their old ttyd!! hope this means we can finally get a proper paper mario sequel
Ain’t no way he did the Chris Pratt koopa line 💀
"A world you want to exist in" is a very accurate take.
I think Super Paper Mario is among the best places to get isekai'd to.
I wasn’t aware that TTYD remake was getting any *negative* reviews.
Honestly, I’m hyped for this game since I never got to play the original!
I would be more than willing to give this some love if it meant bringing back the classic style of Paper Mario.
Not negative reviews I would say, just comments in general have been negative regarding remakes. Hence, I felt this video was necessary. It's not an ordinary remake.
I've been considering making the exact same point on social media/video. This is truly the last chance to make or break Paper Mario games that are actually good.
“A step in the right direction” begs the follow-up question “towards what?” If the answer is an original creative story that expands on the Mario universe, it feels weird that we’re taking baby steps toward something we had two decades ago.
Personally I only fell off the Paper Mario train because I never got the sense that the later three games took place in the same continuity as the first three. It felt like a book series I was reading was suddenly cancelled in favor of a new spinoff series, and the continuity reset killed my investment.
Exactly. I’m hoping the next title after TTYD will be set in the same universe as the first 3 games.
EXTREMELY valid points bro!
@@UltimateGenosykoPretty sure that won’t happen.
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 we will revisit this comment in 4 years.
This is a loveletter of a remake, and it has not been released for a Nintendo system since the original.
The TTYD fans are gonna love it, and it’s a chance to build that crowd up yet again.
I'm just so pumped that people will finally have easy access and finally see why we never shut up about it for 20 years 😂
I'm excited for this next year. Played the original a bunch on the gamecube and definitely looking forward to playing it again on the Switch. But on the topic of the Paper Mario series, I wish they remade the first game too. It would be great to play that one again with a nice new remake.
I LOVE the first one... but it's clearly dated. If it WERE to be remade ALOT of features and things would have to be added and expanded on. TTYD expanded on it so much that it's become SMASH 64 at this point. If Nintendo has to do all they can to make THIS title appealing to NEW audiences they REALLY would have to bend over backwards to do the original Paper Mario. Instead they're remaking Super Mario RPG. Paper Mario would be dead in the water due to being sandwiched in between two already STELLAR titles being made to be EVEN better!
Actually, remaking the original Paper Mario on Switch would be pointless, thanks to the N64 games expansion. People who subscribe to the switch online expansion are already able to play Paper Mario, so a remake wouldn’t sell well. That’s most likely why they chose Thousand Year Door; not only is it THE fan-favorite Paper Mario game, but the original is already available under the switch expansion. It’s crazy that we’re to have the two best Paper Mario games on Switch, I can’t wait 😁
This game puts a smile on my face. I'm waiting for this game to be preorderable.
First the advance wars remake, now a TTYD remake. What have I done to please the nostalgia gods so much that two games I sunk so many childhood hours into have come back better than ever
3:24 stomping… KOOPAS
I got my first copy of The Thousand-Year Door in Easter of 2006 from my mom, and I replayed it more than any other game I owned growing up. It still remains my favorite game of all time to this day. I’ll definitely be getting two copies of the remake :)
I'm definitely getting it physical and digital. I love this game so much! My cousin said she's getting it. I'm forcing my younger brother to get it (I always get him to play my childhood games lol) and my younger sister might be getting it. I know if 1 coworker that is also getting it.
I still remember feeling so hurt when they casually announced Color Splash during that direct, we waited four years for Nintendo to just troll us with another game that nobody wanted, I had no trouble whatsoever passing on it, and it remains the only game in the series I have never played. Origami King gave me mixed signals, but I decided to get the game anyway because the story seemed interesting enough to at least try the game. And for what it’s worth, I did enjoy it for the most part. Any time I could run around and explore was enjoyable, I liked interacting with stuff, I loved finding things for the museum and getting max health hearts, and the ring system was surprisingly enjoyable to an extent. But they still insisted on making very cruel boss fights (Rubber Band has NO right being so hard when it’s only the second major boss, and the Water and Ice Vellumentals are a pain to fight as well). But seeing Bug Fables release gave me hope that maybe, just maybe, Nintendo would finally listen to reason and give us back the Paper Mario we know and love. And while I did play Bug Fables after finishing Origami King, it still wasn’t exactly what I wanted. And then the announcement happened. I was so shocked and so ecstatic that I injured my back while jumping for joy. 😅
Thank you, Nintendo, for saving The Thousand Year Door from becoming impossible to play outside of emulation. Thank you for finally hearing our cries! And thank you, everyone in the TTYD community, for banding together and declaring your love of this masterpiece! This would not have been possible without your efforts!
I think the thing about Bug Fables has to do with it not being a Mario game, as mentioned. Besides the stuff like platforming and hammering not being as "prominent" / obvious (I think Mario benefits from getting to be the standard almost, sometimes simple makes for better gameplay), I think Bug Fables had to work much harder to get you to genuinely care about the world and the cast. I really did like how the 3 characters interacted with each other and all spoke though, those moments made it a lot easier to understand their dynamic. I wish the world in the early game was just a little bit more varied.
Normally if you remake an older game it means they are relearning the mechanics so they could do this for later games. So Nintendo is remaking TTYD so the next Paper Mario game can be an RPG again 😅
This sums up all of my thoughts on this remake very well. Hoping to see this analysis blow up!
Thanks! Feel free to share if you liked it, it always helps 😊
@@HDRookieI've sent it to a few of my friends already ✌Hope it gets big
I can only hope the TTYD remake sells like crazy and all the fans of the actual Paper Mario games (64, TTYD, and Super) buy it, if only to signal to Nintendo how bad SS, CS, and OK were.
I loved the first two and was alright with Super, but I absolutely _hate_ all of SS/CS/OK.
I almost wish it was on more platforms than just Switch, solely so I could buy multiple copies. I bought the full MegaMan Battle Network Legacy Collection 3 times over (Switch, Steam, Playstation) because that series is another of my childhood favorites.
I might end up just buying the TTYD remake for all my friends that don't buy it themselves already, since I know at least a few are also gonna buy it.
SS was pretty bad, but CS and OK are good games. Nintendo isn’t gonna change their mind on how they view their games because of sales.
@@quangamershyguyyz7166pretty much. And I still don't see why people had super paper.mario to the big two. It's a different game imo. It's not turned base. And when it came out people hated it then.
@@EpicTacoSenpaisticker star was so unimaginably bad that it shifted a lot of the hate from SPM to itself.
but for what its worth, SPM's main point of contention is the gameplay. in terms of story and charcters, it's a lot closer to the original two than to the later entries. SS made some fans realize that. so now you'll see people sometimes group SPM with the original two as the "good era" of paper mario.
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 Nah CS was pretty bad as well.
@@Matt-eh2dy CS was good just had a lot of flaws that kept it from perfection.
Glad to see Toadsworth is gonna be back even if it’s a remake
My guy is not dead in remakes
i'm buying a few copies for family and friends, this is my fav paper mario game and i love it so much.
TTYD is still my favorite game of all time and the first RPG that I ever fell in love with every aspect of. I've been hoping for this remake for so long and it STILL looks even better than I could have hoped based on what little we've seen.
I usually wait til I find big titles used for around $30, however long that may take, but I might buy this one new
Started playing for the first time last year on GC invredibly addictive and enticing, difficult, hilarious, and SO many hidden things. This is a masterpiece
I have not played a lot of the Paper Mario series, but TTYD is really the most appealing of them all. Even though I didn’t really play it, its OST are absolute bangers. I didn’t expect it to get a port or remake to the Switch, but since it’s getting one, I’m definitely buying the game when it comes out!
Would also be great if they also added support for the GameCube controller for nostalgia, just like they did with Sunshine in 3D All-Stars.
All Intelligent Systems needs to do is get over the hurdle of pointless combat systems. Origami King would have been tolerable to me if the combat had some kind of reward or incentive (exp for example).
If I was Tanabe, I'd be looking at the positive feedback from this announcement and then asking myself why the gameplay from TTYD works so well. Then, they can make an original game that doesn't even have to follow the same rpg mechanics of the old games, but just make something that works (SPM does this very well).
There was so much good from the last 2 PM games that were attached to subpar combat systems. I just hope that the community is able to discern the good qualities from those games because some aspects could unironically improve the gamellay style of TTYD, too
Yeah I actually enjoyed the combat in Origami King at first, sure it wasn’t the classic but it still had kind of a fun puzzle thing going on, but without good rewards or anything I eventually just stopped caring
@@HDRookie Out of curiosity, what would you pull from CS or TOK that was unique to those titles into a new paper mario game?
@Darth555 The overworld design was so much more varied, and at times vertical. A lot of newer fans call TTYD a hallway simulator and I can see why. The colorless spots on CS and later TOK provide great incentive to explore, and you get rewards out if battle this way. It's great for completionists and forces you to engage with enemies more (it would be easier to dodge them with more space than TTYD). So the games draw you to spots. This would be cool with actually fun battles (I think these tend to distract us from the more hallway like structure of TTYD).
The writing was funnier in recent games too. I think they've just been steadily improving in this regard. The jokes would land even better though in a game that has a plot too though. Because sometimes they feel like they're trying too hard to get a laugh out of you as is.
Lots of people trashed SS/CS for the world map but it actually made CS a better game. Each chapter had so many different unique ideas because of this, and the stories didn't have to follow path->town->path->dungeon design much at all. In CS sometimes a chapter would have you do something like climb a mountain, search for a help character in a forest, find you need to help him, then go investigate an excavation site, to get an item needed to enter a temple, and then wrap it up with a coliseum bout. An overarching narrative would hold all of these events together and allow for extreme variety within a chapter. And lots of these chapters still had strong themes despite being more varied.
Imo I wouldn't go back to a world map, but would consider how a chapter could be more varied. Some of TTYDs best chapters have a very unique idea (really the mystery solving ones) and they run with them. CS is able to do many more because they're more segmented I find.
@@HDRookieWould you say the CS levels are actually better designed? Or is that just player preference after the era of open world games and there's a natural bias against linearity? Because even if the general sense of the levels were left to right hallways, there's a lot of areas in levels that play with verticality. In most levels at least somewhere.
I had never caught the “still your tongue” line before, that’s actually so cool! And it’s further reinforcement that Sticker Star was just a slap in the face to the series.
I’m buying this game of course. Both physical and digital.
I miss this game so much. Well I still have the GC and copy of the game so I need a HDMI cable support device to use it on current TVs to play it again.
And playing on the go is great.
This is one of the most important games to me. I replay it all over every year or two. After the change in paper Mario series it felt like they wanted to pretend these old games didn’t exist! This remake announcement means so much to me and made me believe in Nintendo.
A lot of people who grew up on TTYD have kids of their own. Nintendo knows this and hopes to capitalize on it. Even still, I'm grateful and excited for this remake.
I now know what i get every friend whos a switch owner as a birthday present lol
Im currently playing through the original to get back in shape with my superguards and im having so much fun still. Cant wait for the remake to come out, that i actually can take with me wherever i go
Be careful now. Superguard timing might feel slightly different on Switch.
Really good video man. I'm super excited for this game to come out, and this video has nearly solidified my plan to buy it.
Hope you enjoy it!
I see a lot of good remakes as an opportunity for younger/newer developers to see how mechanics work and improve the next games (by expanding on gameplay, exploring story, etc).
so when Mario Party Superstars, PMTYD, Mario RPG, Metroid, and other full remakes come... I always get excited for the next new games after to see how they build upon their last work.
I think of Crash remakes then crash 4 being a really great game.
definitely excited to finally get my hands on TYD 😅 couldnt justify the $$$ for the gamecube copy.
I already have decided to buy at least a copy for me and my wife so she can experience the game with me
3:23 "I understood that reference"
So excited to have a remake of TTYD that will be fun to play again.
I pulled out my game cube a while ago to play TTYD and it was a pleasent experience that I remember because of the latency. Maybe my gamecube was having hardware issuses or my controller was having trouble connecting wirelessly. Even the ROM version was miserable on the computer but at least it didnt have latency. I mainly had issues with saves.
This game will remove all the problems.
I squealed at work when this was revealed. OF COURSE IM GOING TO BUY IT.
Summed up my thoughts perfectly. If a future game can combine the best aspects of the two different genres, we’re looking at a transcendence of the series.
11:33 “a well thought-out, organized list of complaints”
caught that Squidward/Squidville reference there 😂
I'm so buying this game. I might take two if it means a friend gets to join in the fun.
I’m just upset that they announced it right after I went back and did a play through.
While I definitely love it, it has much to do with NIntendo's guideleine about not giving RPG contents a major impact on the franchise overall. Like, the lack of participation of regular cast like Toad and Yoshi seems to tell that Nintendo want to define it as a "separable spin-off". Even if they're willing to remake it we still don't know whether these remakes will leave more impact on future Mario games.
Hope that the merits of the early Paper Mario titles can be sent to the future ones, and we also need to see the parner characters in more games.
excited for the remake for both TTYD and SMRPG
As someone who is into video game archiving for preservation of art it's scary how many games get lost to time. Having remakes every now and then gives us a way to keep art alive especially with Nintendo shutting down so many emulation and ROM sites and just hate the idea of emulator and archiving their games.
Definitely buying it, it's one of THE games from my childhood. I'm getting my brother a copy as well. I can't wait!
I seriously hate it when people complain about re-releases of old games like this being full price, because many people (myself included) don't like going through complicated processes of emulating games to play them, nor do we want to buy used versions online for unbelievably inflated prices. So I think we should all be grateful that this fan-favorite is finally getting an accessable way to play it.
The people that complain about remakes in general are a bit annoying - but I can understand the take that it should be $40 TBH. Worked well for the Metroid Prime remaster imo. Would be a much more reasonable rebuy and easier pill to swallow for people on the fence.
@@HDRookie Personally, I still would rather pay $60 for this over the original for a couple hundred. But I do know what you mean.
@@dylbill56remixes28 Can't disagree with you there.
Im gonna cry if we get a paper mario remake omggg
I'm kind of not against remakes for two reasons. `For one, sometimes getting the original game is a nightmare. TTYD for instance, was costing around $150 for a copy. That's not including the fact that you needed a Gamecube with controllers and hookups. That's over $200 in stuff just to play one really old game. TTYD isn't even the worst example. What if you want to play Chibi Robo these days? Your wallet had better be ready for a beat down. The second is that for many of us gamers, we don't realize that a lot of time has passed since many of these games last came out. There's entirely new generations of kids and teenagers (and adults even!) that never got to play these games, and don't have the money to hunt them down I mean Super Mario RPG is my favorite, and it's been nearly 30 years since release. There's loads of people that would like to pay it, but never had the chance to (because many weren't born yet!). So I kind of feel like companies should have a constant flow of remakes along with the new stuff. It's also important in a preservation sense as well.
I owe it to my inner child to play TTYD at least once in my life, I'll definitely be getting this game.
I'm supporting not just because i love TYD but it flip the bird on the developers who said that the paper mario franchise needed changed & it wasn't necessary to go back to its roots
assuming this is next year's christmas release i'll get it for christmas
but yeah i want to play this game
everyone always said this was the best one and the lets play i watched a few years back was a lot of fun
I am a fan of both the new and the old paper Mario and I hope they can make games like the old ones or combine the new and old so I’m definitely going to get it
i do own ttyd but never beat it i now i am playing paper mario 64 and so maybe i will get the ttyd remake but i do already own it at the same time classic paper mario is more appealing to me then the modern games so i really might get TTYD remake just in hopes they make another game like it again
11:13 THANK YOU! I've seen far too many people assuming the series will return to its roots permanently just because this remake exists.
That said, I don't think sales numbers will matter as much as we all think. Remember how Color Splash only sold 50,000 copies, making it one of the worst selling Mario games ever, but they still made a sequel for it. Obviously I don't wanna take any chances and hope this game's sales reach the moon (laughs in Sans Undertale) but Nintendo's history regarding sales is pretty spotty actually.
Tbf, Color Splash was on the Wii U which just didn't do well in general. It wouldn't have sold much more than it did regardless if how much better it could have been
@SB2749 Think this the key also. Sales aren't really indicative if game quality, but perhaps slightly correlated. What I will say though: if the game were to outsell Origami King, this would be a shocking revelation with an obvious takeaway. Gen 9 Pokemon didn't outsell Gen 8, Splatoon 3 didn't outsell Splatoon 2, and Tears of the Kingdom likely won't outsell Breath of the Wild. This has nothing to do with game quality, it is just a reality for follow-ups on the same console. TTYD beating TOK would create an internal discussion that could not be ignored though, in my opinion.
Color splash sold around 800k copies, not 50k. You might be thinking of an old number that was shortly after its release and only included Japanese sales.
It’s not a bad number considering PM64 released under similar circumstances on a console with a user base 4x larger, and only sold 1.3m copies
@@SB2749 Yes, that’s an important factor to take into account, and ultimately the point I was aiming to make (not sure if I was clear about that, but I will be now). There’s many more factors than just sales to consider (that’s why companies have Marketing and Analytical Analysis teams), which is why even if TTYD doesn’t outsell TOK, I hope Nintendo follows up on this and keeps the spirit of Old-Style Paper Mario for future games.
They didn’t create a sequel to color splash though. Origami king, while still keeping a lot of elements from color splash, also changed a lot
Weird how two Mario rpgs are coming out so close to each other. I bet sales numbers will be compared to determine which one gets continued.
this remake is a must buy for me. ive left my switch on the shelf for several years already and haven't touched it since.
I just want a physical copy.
I’m just happy Nintendo remembered it exists 🥲
Given that it seems that we're very likely at the tail end of the Switch's life cycle, the fact that the recent Direct was kinda remake heavy wasn't too much of an issue to me. If this was the beginning or middle of the Switch's life cycle, I would have been a bit disappointed. I mean I was disappointed seeing the big thing for the September 2019 Direct was a Xenoblade Chronicles remake, especially considering that Direct didn't offer much new. Here though, knowing we're very likely looking at a new console next year, it was okay.
When it comes to the TTYD remake, I agree that this is bigger than it seems. It could be our ticket to a return to form. I do genuinely hope it sells well. I even hope it outsells Origami King. That would be great. With the positive response and great sales, maybe Nintendo will finally begin to rethink their approach to the series.
This is so awesome. Next we need a Chrono Trigger remake and ill be so dang happy
Still want to pick up Sea of Stars, just haven't had the time yet.
The opening chrono trigger music 🔥
Rookie, I also wanted to say I’ve been watching all your vids for the past few months, I’ve really been enjoying the content, you make a lot of good and clear arguments 👍
Thanks so much! Comments like this mean a lot to me, and really motivate me to want to make more. I understand that I have opinions that many will disagree with, so I am glad to hear I don't chase everyone off.
I always thought this CT theme sounded like it was straight out of SMRPG too, haha.
TTYD was the last Paper Mario game I played. I attempted to play Sticker Star, but I did not like the gameplay at all and I didn't get very far into the game. And because of Sticker Star I never went back to Paper Mario. I have a huge back log of games that I probably will never get around to playing. And I don't have a lot of money so any more I don't pick up games very often unless it's a must have. I plan on picking up this one when it comes out. It's been a long time since I last played it. I know I will enjoy my time playing through it again. And I want to show my support for the old Paper Mario's.
Im buying physical and digital.
I'm counting on you if a new mario and Luigi comes out!!
What do you want me to do exactly? 😅
@@HDRookie Oh, I meant make a video encouraging other people to buy the game to revive a lost series! I realise now I wasn't clear lol
@@ThePaulineuI mean, I'd definitely talk about it. But I likely wouldn't have the same urgency. Mario & Luigi's issue is one of money and Alphadream going under... I'm not sure there's anything we can do about. With Paper Mario, the issue isn't the ability to make games. It's the willingness to make the ones the fans want.
If there was ever a game that needed my support, this is it. I NEED more Paper Mario games like ttyd
I hope going forward or at least the next Paper Mario title will be set in the world of the first two games. Like having the same world building, characters, etc. Like Merlin and such.
I wish we get a Paper Luigi where we play out the adventure he talks about.
@@AkaiAzul that would be cool as DLC for TTYD. But I’m hoping the next installment in the Paper Mario franchise is a brand new adventure set in the same world as the first 2 games.
Day 1 buy 1000%!! The fact that i can play a remake of one of my favorite games of all time is truly insane. Its so hard to believe still... and ill be able to play it in handheld now too!? INSANE. This is hands down one of the most hype announcements Nintendo has ever done. Also new here your content is excellent so you bet im supporting 🤙
Appreciate it man! It's mostly Mario Kart stuff here so I didn't drop any subscribe stuff in the video - don't think I'll be a Paper Mario content creator any time soon - but this was too much of a topic to not cover lol.
I was in disbelief while watching the direct. literally made my jaw drop, I never thought they'd do this. Already replaying the original haha
Ttyd is probably the single most important game to who I am as a person
It is what kickstarted a life long love of video games and is the reason I am where I am today.
When I tell you I shot up in my seat hahaha
I'm so happy I can finally own a copy of my favourite game
Aside from all that though, man. What I would to for a paper mario game that combines the strengths of both new and old paper mario
As much as I love ttyd, it has its problems
Origami king actually has really solid and fun worlds to run around in
A combination of the two would be my DREAM game
If we someday, SOMEDAY, get a remake of Paper Mario (N64) I will most likely tear up and hold back tears. I'd even be super pumped for a Super Paper Mario remake, it still had the soul of PM unlike Sticker Star and beyond.
I think CS and TOK were still quite charming, but I'm otherwise with you. As a big TTYD fan I still don't think I'm ready for the "We Believe in you Mario" remix.
I wish it was a double feature with the original
How do I preorder this game? This is truly our only shot to save the game series. Paper Mario was on life support!! 😵 The recent games were so easy I never cared to buy them. TTYD had a mix of narrative and fun I will never forget. The music was a bop 🎼 growing up. Xnaut’s Space music 😱 👏🏼
Don't know personally. I'll start thinking about it when we get closer to release 👊
Never Played TTYD but I recently started playing the og Paper Mario and it’s awesome so I’m for sure picking this remake up
Welcome to the party!
Initially i wasn't going to bother to buy either Super Mario RPG or Paper Mario The Thousand Year Old Door, but now I am definitely going to buy both !
Have you ever played the originals?
Yes l have the gamecube and eshop version.
I will buy 3 copies
Paper Mario is my favorite series of all time, mainly because of the first two games. The fact that this is even coming out on Switch, let alone being a full remake, was never something I saw happening. I've been buying every Paper Mario game to show Nintendo that I still want them, but I never thought they'd even consider the old games ever again.
I'm on the fence on buying it myself. I'm just hoping for new content that wasn't in the original
I have never played this game and I'm so excited to play it!
It's awesome! I hope you love it. The middle chapters in particular are all so cool imo.
It's a no brainer to me. As a fan of both Mario and RPGs, TTYD is a must buy.
Your doing great, I thought u were like a 100K+ subbed youtuber
Maybe one day lol. Hard to get there focusing on just Mario Kart though. You like what you like though 🫡
Buying physical and digital for sureeee
I wanna buy it new, but I also want Mario v Donkey, the new Peach, Wonder, Luigi’s Mansion 2 and Mario RPG.
I curious if TTYD, MvsD, RPG and Luigi will be full price or $40 like Metroid Prime
If Paper Luigi was really made in the story line of TTYD, I'd totally buy it.
Side stories make buying remakes feel a lot more financially-wise. Like Magolor Epilogue, Bowser's Fury, etc., I'm hoping TTYD gets a little something to further sweeten the deal.
We need Paper Mario in the next Smash bros!!
Ex. You’d Dodge with Bow
Side B Kooper & Hold Bombette
Up B with Parakarry
Down B Watt or Goombella reflect
Fun idea. But definitely doubt it, and I feel like partners would only show up in maybe a final smash.
I hate that I want a Paper Luigi add-on that probably won't exist now lol
sorry !
Post game Luigi story would be TIGHT. I could imagine how goofy it would be.
Despite the Remake we definitely still need a proper RPG Paper Mario 3, that will hopefully come out of this, along with a good sense of direction like this as well for the series in general. 🔥🔥💯💯
Paper Luigi storyline with actual turn base game with partners as a dlc would be more exciting to me than the every title after TTYD. I will never understand why they had to take something amazing and ruin it with all the random weird fighting styles. There are great parts in each of the games, but the first two had a clear identity. I’ll never get over it. Rant over. I’ll buy the game and definitely play it. Paper Mario will always be close to my heart and I genuinely hope that the community can show them what we want and that they do listen ❤
Paper Luigi: The Marvelous Compass
Nintendo Remaking TTYD but Having to only settle for Paper Mario on Switch N64 online was like a big you know what for fans that wanted Paper Mario to get this treatment. Especially since Nintendo and Square finally remade Super Mario RPG.