Can you be Gay and Christian? Michael Brown vs Harry Knox
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- An important debate between Dr. Michael Brown, Director of the Coalition of Conscience, and Mr. Harry Knox, Director of Faith and Religion for the Human Rights Campaign, on the topic of "A Christian Response to Homosexuality." The Coalition of Conscience is a network of Christian leaders and believers working together for moral and cultural change through the gospel; the Human Rights Campaign (HRC) is the world's largest homosexual advocacy group.
This historic debate took place on February 14th at the Blumenthal Performing Arts Center in Charlotte, NC with more than 300 in attendance. In February of 2007, Dr. Brown delivered a lecture series at the Blumenthal on "Homosexuality, the Church, and Society," focusing on the work of the HRC on the final night. This drew a direct challenge from Joe Solmonese, president of the HRC, who publicly challenged Brown at the HRC's fund-raising dinner in Charlotte. As a result of that public challenge, Dr. Brown suggested that both sides put the issues on the table in a mutually respectful way, leading to this year's debate.
Beautiful opening Dr. Brown! As Christian's we need to do better when dealing with homosexuals... "Correction without love is criticism and abuse.". But, brother Harry Knox conscience is seared!
The irrefutable logic of Dr. Brown is a joy to behold. And he delivers it with love and compassion.
These debates always come down to the same thing: feelings vs the Bible.
Excellent job, Dr. Brown
I don't think that's a fair assessment. Dr Brown is great at communicating these things with love but I wouldn't say that everything he said was Bible-based and everything Harry said was feelings-based
When one is in sin he cannot See the sin, Satan has a veil over your eyes. Only Christ can remove the veil.
Wow, perfectly said !!
Praise Jesus.
This is so true satan way to twist the truth
A fish do not think it is wet until it comes out of the water
@@alanaban1840
Fish don't know they are wet.
They can't survive outside their environment.
Harry Knox say's "I am convinced that I am truly right about this" "I am pretty sure I am right about this" As professing Christians we submit to a higher authority and that is the Word of God not the "opinions" of men.
Unfortunately, satan has taken over Harry Knox mind. There is no more hope of salvation for him.
Lynn M - well said
The bible isn't from the Creator of the Universe.
Brent Bennett then where is your salvation from? If Nothing in it is true why are you even here? If GOD inspired men to write his WORD then Im sure they did.
John Dake Be sure then. I don't need salvation.
Harry Knox invalidates his position in the debate by claiming that Scripture isn't enough by itself, but that we need to listen to our hearts.
No, Mr. Knox. The heart is deceitfully wicked, who can understand it?
#LausDeo
Did you know the Holy Spirit wrote the Scriptures - " Do not be deceived.... homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God " ... 1 Corinthians 6
Above all else guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life.
Proverbs 4:23
i was going to comment ,but what i was going to say, you said it better .thank you
Brent Bennett d
Brown: "God, Christ, Bible, Scripture, Love...." Knox: "me, us, we, I......"
Jerry King Bingo.
And you see something wrong with that??
Brent Bennett
You point being.....????
Brent Bennett one is Christ focused....the other is self focused language
@@brentbennett7225 Irony
The problem with deception is you don't know you have been deceived. Sad!
Beautifully said.
Harry should have left his feelings at the door and brought a little more reasoning, intellect, and sound dialogue. You can hear constant offense/hurt in all of his answers, and not someone prepared to have a real debate.
I noticed that, too, Taylor Mode. He was always appealing to emotions, and trying to get sympathy for his feelings, and misunderstanding the scriptures.
@@VDMac
Most debates I have heard on this topic follow that pattern: the ‘conservative’ side argues and reasons and the ‘progressive’ side mostly makes sympathy appeals.
Since the word of God is so clear and precise, no scripture could be used. Therefore feelings and emotions are used to debate. Regardless of feelings we must follow the truth, the word, and the light.
Michael Brown....You are an excellent speaker...Thanks for sharing.....Your love and compassion can clearly be seen...
It's obvious that "how Harry Feels" Is more important to him, than following God's instructions.
Captain Terrific agreed
TRUE!
Yes you can have these feelings and then don't let it determine your life. Read what Jesus said in Matthew 19:12 It is obvious He also talked about gay people. They should not marry and stay single for the sake of the Kingdom.
No, it's not obvious...what's obvious is your bias attitude to hold support to your position.
The spirit that came to Knox was NOT the Holy Spirit........ it was demonic.........
He cannot really believe unless he is still in the closet,God called it a abomination,it so simple a child could read it and see the truth
Satan sprit
GREAT VIDEO. i wish they did mote of a direct style of debate one on one because this style allowed Harry do dodge many good issues Michael brought up and not respond to anything he said. in my opinion Michael gave so much good evidence for why the scriptures condemn homosexuality and also for why he loves homosexuals and deeply cares for them and Harry really couldn't back up his views at all and keeps going back to his personal conviction and his perfect peace and does whatever he can to make the topic about gay rights in the world (which is not the issue) rather than does the bible condemn homosexuality. And he also showed a lack of respect and love for Michael as he stated many insults directed towards him and yet Michael was nothing but respectful and loving. GREAT JOB MR. BROWN! HATS OFF TO YOU!
Michael leans heavenly upon scripture. Harry leans heavily upon his emotional experience. Go figure, I prefer God's word to feelings Christianity.
SameStoryInEveryDebateAboutThis
I think that gay dude tried to debate gino jennings and he was tore apart like a baby antelope in the mouth of a lion
It doesn't make sense for God make a book (Bible) so difficult to understand allowing who ever read it to judge others,
@@raulescobar20 If all you get from the Bible is the "Good Tidings" of the salvation message and you love your neighbor as yourself, you do fine. Brown is fixated on homosexuality and should get a life like most Christians who think about homosexuality more times in a day than what the Bible says about it.
Frank Cadmus: Response = No for the average Christian, yet as more & more spread the Gospel I run into people that choose their lusts over God. We have Churches saying “its OK” to be homosexual? The Gospel is CLEAR! What does the Gospel say about churches & Itchy ears? Jesus DID shed his Blood for homosexuals, so they can repent & turn away from here Sins, to set aside Lusts during a short life, for an eternal life. Everyone Sins. Gays don’t have it worse than anyone else.
Thanks Dr. Michael Brown you give a very clear message... to us with sound Biblical insights. Hope many will opened their hearts and minds
to Christ.
"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on it's shoes."
~ Mark Twain
A genuine Christian can never be a homosexual at the same time. "If anyone is in Christ he/she is a new creation, the old has gone the new has come." A repentant believer in Christ has changed mind and change life (Romans 12:1-2).
+Accf Church I am a Homosexual Christian Jesus loves me just the way I am And there is NOTHING you can do about it..
+Strefanasha No not sinless, forgiven if we confess with our mouth that we have and are a sinners and welcome Christ in our hearts to become a new creation, this means putting a stop to the sin and never practising it for ever, you asentually crucify the old you, and this goes for any sin, homo sexuallity, murder, a lier, thief, adulterer, idoliters ect. And make no mistake you can be the darkest of sinners and still be loved by Christ.
Accf Church Why not correctly interpret the bible then so you can repent of what it's really talking about there and become a new creation yourself instead of the abusive religious pig you continue to be.
That's why less and less "homosexuals" go to church even though most of us were raised religious. I'm fine with your christian rule that as a Gay man I can't be a christian. I don't want to be one or in the company of christians or attend your idolatrous functions. God made me Gay and declared that to be good. But you'll go to hell for choosing a lifestyle like that of a christian.
Amen.
Some will see Brown as cruel, some will see Knox as deceptive. If you walk away a little confused, that is a good thing. Although God is not the author of confusion, you are struggling with the subject, wrestling with God, growing in your spirit.
If you are confused, then you are not firm in your convictions and have graduated to wishy-washy, unless of course, you are coming over to God's way...(Not Dr. Brown's, but God's way of doing things), and if that's the case...run to a reformed church and pray for full deliverence...and welcome home my brother or sister. :)
I stand with Michael 100%.
Really good debate. Dr. Michael Brown was so loving while staying True to the Word of God! He gave great exegesis and supported all his points with scripture. Harry Knox was rude and was all feelings based. Feelings doesn't determine truth.
I pray for Harry that The Lord gives him a new heart and new spirit. Relapces his heart of Stone for a heart of flesh and that he really becomes a new creation in Christ. In Jesus Name Amen!
Part of Knox's first argument is that Paul was NOT referring to homosexual relationships such as his. Dr. Brown refutes this, based primarily on the Greek translations, also citing numerous scholars (even from the LBGT community) who agree. Knox then counters that the church is "wisest when it doesn't make an idol of the Bible," and that we mustn't consider the Bible the "only standard by which we judge things." So....when Knox's first point doesn't stick, he contends that personal, direct experience (with what he considers God's Holy Spirit) is ultimately more trustworthy, even when such contradicts the Bible's words on this subject. Knox is a likeable man, but has he forgotten that the heart is deceitful above all? This is why we mustn't let our hearts decide issues when these would choose to override scripture. Sola scriptura! -- because without that, everyone's heart will be their own standard. God has given us the plumbline against which all is measured. It is His Word.
First John settled this question wituout dispute: one can not claim to follow God and live in darkness; if he does, he is a liar.
Great debate! Every Christian should watch this. Dr. Brown does an excellent job of equipping the Christian community with a scriptural understanding about what the Bible clearly teaches about the sexual behavior and practices of the LGBT community who want acceptance into society and the Christina churches in America.
No one can really change themselves. Only Jesus Christ of Nazareth can change people, by the renewing of our minds.
The most highest form of deception is deceiving ourselves to justify what we feels to ignore the Word of God. We should not be instrument of Satan to twist the truth and to destroy the original image of family.
Why is this even a debate? Knox needs to get out of here. Good job Michael Brown.
53:27 I can't believe he said that. This is the clay telling the potter what's right and wrong.
Harry Knox please show us where in the Bible where Homosexuality is supported?
Pastor Gino Jennings already use the Word on Harry Knox. Mr Knox should detach himself from his emotions and be more scriptural.
Mr. Knox cannot because the scriptures do not back his position. He stuck with the emotional side of this argument is because it's the only thing he has.
Great debate--I appreciate how both of the speakers comported themselves. I hope they're still chatting with one another.
Harry Knox say's "For all we know David could have been Bisexual?" "Who knows who cares??" There you have it.
God tells us what to care about and what not to care about. He made us and gets to make the rules. You can choose to live in rebellion against He commands, or not. It sounds as if He does not see fornication as sin either. The issue as Dr. Brown says, has been forced upon on us who believe that Homosexuality is an Abomination to God, and throughout the Bible/History has been severely punished by God. And to clarify the Bible say's that "Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God and such were some of you! I Corinthians 6:9-11 Just about covers us all I would say!
Lynn M. Yes it most certainly covers us all. God either saved all mankind at the cross or He didn't there is no inbetween. Salvation belongs to the Lord it is not based on any mans decision...least we would ALL surely perish
@@Tommythecat007All mankind who serve him. There are those who reject him or refuse to abide by his rules.
@@herekittykitty9324 Ha☺️ Israel his beloved have been doing that right throughout history lol, so I'm struggling to see what your point is.
My point is it is not ALL mankind as not ALL mankind will choose him. Nothing more.
Good argument. I do feel however that Mr Harry Knox sounded a little hostile to Mr Michael Brown. Still, a good argument nevertheless. I do agree with Mr Brown though, his argument simply seemed more well reasoned and based on Scripture...
Harry Knox say's:
"May God help us confront our own sinful natures with both honesty and Grace" God has already helped us to confront our own sinful natures with both honesty and Grace. Christ confronted the sinner, forgave them and told them to go and sin no more.
oh dear. this is so sad... to recycle the same myth that David was gay or bisexual.. absurd. this man is sincere, but he is so deceived....
Well done Dr Brown. Let love and respect lead as we stand unmovable on the truth in Scripture.
Quote of Harry Knox (at the very end) "Michael you may not be saying that everybody has to live under biblical law but you're sure as shoot are saying that Mike and I have to..." I can't believe Brown let that go unanswered!!! [so I'll improvise and I say... YES Harry, because you call yourself a CHRISTIAN and *_GOD SAYS YOU HAVE TO LIVE ACCORDING TO HIS WORD_* if you're going to be a Christian!!!]
Paul never calls slavery "natural."
''The stakes are high'' Right you are! There is an eternity waiting.................
The Bible is an idol by using it as the only standard? Other faiths are beautiful? Clearly this man has abandoned truth altogether.
Sting 79 YEP! it’s scripture revisionism.
the issue is not whether one can be homosexual and a christian at the same time but understanding that one's quest as a believer in Christ which is to OVERCOME one's sinful nature
How can Harry listen to the voice of God when he was deaf this whole debate. He repeatedly said things that Dr.Brown never uttered. Thank you Dr.Brown for such a loving yet truthful response!
Harry was acting real tough w Dr.Brown and Dr.Brown was being gracious...but look at Harry when he was w Gino Jennings...he was humbled by the LAW!!
The gay preacher doesn’t believe that God can change someone. Amazing!!!
Second debate I have heard with Harry and in both cases he has not put himself under the authority of the scriptures . He has clearly denied the Bible, he has therefore denied God and is not in Christ. Another thing apart from him being homosexual is that he is sexually active with his partner, he is sexually immoral and in fornication. He also deflects the subject where it is clear to another subject that's irrelevant. Those topics can be discussed but right here the topic is on homosexuality so deflecting it to justifying it by another wrong is spiritually and biblical immature. Harry is not a Christian based on his attitude and rejection of God and his word.
I'm an atheist and pro gay marriage but I've read the Bible enough to find Knox hilariously self deceiving
I really enjoyed this debate.
WAS JESUS GAY NO! SO WE ARE TO BE AS LIKE HIM AND JESUS SAYS BE YEA HOLY AS I AM HOLY ! PERIOD CASE CLOSED !
You can’t go by this argument! Jesus was not married either!
Go, sin no more, says the Spirit of Truth, in peace.
Mr. Harry has a spirit of manipulation. And I pray that he will surrender to the Lord that he can receive healing.
This debate was terrible. DEBATE THE SCRIPTURES, NOT YOUR OPINION OR FEELINGS HARRY!
Obviously, this gentleman does not regard the bible as the final authority. This debate was futile. All I heard was "be nice" and "accepting. " No scriptures or bible at all. Well done Dr. Brown.
If you say you are a follower of Jesus Christ then that means you are following the bible Gods word. All relationships are sacred in God's sight and he clearily expresses to us his standard on the gay issue. Rom 1:26-27,1 Cor 6:9
Its a scary thing to hear God`s Word and REFUSE to bow your heart...Harry is deluded and has a hard heart...He trusts his heart,which is untrustworthy...Be homosexual but the clay does NOT tell the POTTER to change!
6:55 debate starts here, if you wanna skip the intros and get right to it.
Usury is exorbitant (excessively high) interest, not merely interest. And yes, more focus needs to be made about this, for certain.
Agreed but that has no bearing on the question of homosexuality and Christianity...
@@Michael-uk3pj Was ToAbide, etc. referencing another point being made in this dialogue, a neglected point within the Church?
@@m.e.1367 yes it was one of the questions to Michael brown "how can you condemn homosexuality as an abomination when the book of Ezekiel also calls usury an abomination, why don't you condemn that as fervently"
Michael's response was I think correct along the lines of I do condemn exploitation of the poor but even if the church needs to do on that it doesn't make homosexuality ok...
Knox seemed to argue that Michael was disingenuous, that usury is worse that Christians who oppose same sex marriage are either homophobic or politically motivated
Even if all that was true with a diversion from the thesis of the debate as it does nothing to demonstrate homosexuality is compatible with biblical and historic Christianity...
Yes, indeed, maybe you should lend your own money at low interest.
I really loved this debate, For one that I got to see how aweful they twisted scripture to fit their life style.. it tells the story of how ignorant they think their "fellow HLBT" are. this is how most people fall into a path of never seeking truth cause they rather believe the lie so they don't read the Bible for them selves. to say King David and Johnathan was gay with one another is sick, yet funny. Harry used this to appeal to the world and their fleshly desires, thinking cloaking it with none biblical understanding. they know they don't read the bible, I wouldn't be surprised if their book only had those passage of scripture they used to deceive one another. all he wanted was the world to except them, not God.
Amen sister! it was also ridiculous i thought that he said maybe King David was BI WHO CARES!? .... really? who cares? lol
PROVERBS 18:13
you called me a ignoramuse yet i was not saying myself "who cares" i was merely quoting what the gay man said and agreeing it was absurd. think before you speak.
Yes i have heard of grammar and punctuation. What I should have said Is
I thought it was ridiculous that the gay man said "maybe King David was BI WHO CARES!?"
You clearly didn't think understand what i meant yet you were very fast to call me an "ignoramuse" Really not Christ like nor humble to be name calling. And then you insult me because i have bad grammer and punctuation "ever heard of punctuation? Grammar? use it! "
You say you apologize yet you admit no fault. Yes i try to work on my grammar and punctuation as i know its not the best, But you sir should try to be a little more loving and humble instead of so quick to shout insults to a fellow believer.
Even if my views were In fact "who cares" calling me an Ignoramous is not helping anybody, It is actually sowing discord one thing the LORD hates. did you see DR.Brown call this man an IGNORAMOUS or insult him when he said this? No DR.Brown knows the importance of having a loving attitude.
I never understood the only unforgivable sin is blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. I am fearfully trembling for this man.
Romans 1:26-27 which says: "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."
How can one read this and conclude that sexual acts involving same sexed individuals could be anything but "shameful lusts" "unnatural relations" "indecent acts" "received...due penalty for their perversion"....... Did you hear that?...." due penalty for their perversion"......Perversion of what? "natural relations". This passage is plain and clear God called homosexual acts "shameful lusts"" "unnatural perversion" and will have a "penalty". End of story.
Don't get me wrong.....God gave man free will. And here in America one is free to love whom he/she pleases.
If one want to satisfy their lust for each other in ways that God did not intend, then by all means let them go for it. Just do not say that God's word justifies their actions.
If one sticks up their middle finger at God in rebellion and say " I don't give a sh__t what you want. I am going to do it my way." Instead of confessing that they are a sinner and are trying their best not to sin, then they will get exactly what they wanted......the rest of eternity without God. This goes just as well for every other sin under the sun not just homosexuality.
+GSpotter63 im fairly certain theres scripture in rev. or it may be another book I personally cant remember. that says there will be men laying with another man and one shall be taken and one left behind/ and two women will be rubbing against each other and one taken and one will stay? now im not sure the wording is exactly correct here not having seen this scripture for a few weeks, andnot quite certain its saying half gays get saved and half dnt but rather am asking? and no im not gay
Robert Holaway
Matthew 24:39-41
In reference to the last days Jesus talking to his disciples.....
…39and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40"Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41"Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left
Twisting the words of God to justify the actions of men will not justify their deeds.
P.S. I found this information in under 10 seconds on the net. Ignorance is no excuse.
Oh man.. How that guy interpreted and quoted that scripture literally had me crying!!
Where in the Bible does it say that God gave us free will?
sean enesi choose you this day.......its an old debate....but there are plenty of verses that indicate God gave us the ability to make choices....call it limited free will if you like. :)
Harry's lack of bringing context into quoting the bible is so sad. Completely ignores the culture and situations involved. So sad.
Jesus taught that we have to die in order to live in Him.. many of us had to leave friends and relationships and old habits behind because of His sake.. for what He did for us first! Praise the Lord.. tku for this msg in these times
Well he is not bringing to the table something to contra argue Michael's claims from the bible..thus proving his case, but he brings his testimony about his life and how people treated him. Thus, he could only make us feel sorry for him, but he could not make us understand, from the bible, that this is right. It still remains a sin no matter what we think, feel, believe about others, about us, about what *feels* good or not. This was not a debate, at least from Knox part. It was a confession.
1:50:39
So he admits that he’s going against the Bible? Doesn’t that mean that he conceded the debate at the very end?
Harry Knox is talking from a feelings prospective. No sound argument!
in simple words god do not agree with homosexuality but he loves everyone...he just dont like the sin
*Harry Knox* speaks from emotion, experience and Community responsibility and he's right. The business of "people" is all of our responsibilities and how we should love and value one another's opinions, experiences, and personal walk with what they know to be God in their lives.
*Michael Brown* speaks from the holy scriptures and it's pretty much "black and white" he has also convinced me with his message of love for the plight of GLBT as I believe he is also sincere.
"This is a hard teaching, who can accept it" said one of the apostles when walking with Jesus. I gotta tell ya, feel like that guy did! lol!
But ultimately if your going by God, we have to go to the bible which I have always trusted and practiced as a source for living everyday life on this earth.
I continue to pray for family and friends who are gay and treat them with nothing but love and respect, but the bible absolutely has to be the standard for any and everyone who claims to be in Him...
How prophetic, Mr. Brown 15 years before the crazy started. 😮
Harry, I won't compromise with your stand, you are one of those leading people to hell, people should be very careful of what they listen .scripture is scripture
What I am getting from this is that Brown's basis for his viewpoints is the Word of God that 1 Timothy said is God-breathed, and Knox's basis is the way that he feels in his heart. Which am I supposed to put my faith in? The sinful heart of an imperfect man (not because he's gay, but because we're ALL born into sin) or the perfect Word of a perfect God? Seems like an easy decision to me.
"Mr. Harry Knox, Director of Faith and Religion for the Human Rights Campaign" - says you advocate for Bi-Sexual as well. How does a bi-sexual who is attracted to men and women live in a monogamous relationship if they need a man and a woman?
answer is yes
I dont think this would be a topic to be held by men of God how. Its simply a NO. Period. There is no either way of trying to explain things God has put right and clear. Thank you.
Harry should have been told this is a debate and not a poetry recitation. What does the Bible say about this ? Verses, chapters, stating what the Bible says. Not.what he feels.
if you don't get that....then....what is the point of continuing.....
Truth 1_1a *God's Word Is ABOVE All Else!*
*"I will worship toward Thy holy temple, and praise Thy Thy*
*Name for Thy LovingKindness and for Thy TRUTH: for Thou*
*Hast MAGNIFIED Thy WORD Above All Thy Name!"* (Psalm 138 : 2)
Michael i praise God for you . It is more important to you to fallow God's word then your feelings . Mr Knox it does'nt matter
what you beleive and what you feeling., the importance it's to obey God's word , . You fooling yourself.
It was stupid or dishonest to say we haven't talked about marriage until homosexual advocates tried to call something different marriage. The Old Testament has marriage advice. The New Testament about 2000 years before Obergefell has marriage advice.
Yes.
How is this a 2-hour discussion?
Dr. Brown nails it.
Next case.
harry picks and choose what scripures are right and wrong
God is not the author of confusion. Harry Knox, When you read the Bible, did you read Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.?
0:40:12 'a time of great ferment'? Is he thinking that it's a time for lots of alcohol?
I think what he means is harbored or accumulated wrath of GOD since wine is also symbolic to the wrath of GOD and with wine it takes time to ferment but the longer it does the stronger that wine is. So I guess he's referring to the balled up anger of GOD.
@@LeftHookDeadly280 I bet you're right.
If I'd put more thought into my comment I might've been able to come to similar conclusions.
Thank you for replying and getting me to think a little deeper :)
@@YirmeyahuWeeps but I highly doubt it though Knox is not too biblically sound nor learned lol
Yes as soon an any of us puts our experience over the Scriptures we are walking blindly. This is the major tenet of many people who are trying to convince the Church that what it has communicated to us is not what it’s communicating to us and the only basis of this is either a reframing of the interpretations or by elevating experience and “love” or “community” over the Word. The mistake is not in using experience but it’s in elevating over the Word in a way that gives our experience more authority than God’s word. No scholarly debate here, no science at all those things follow what the Bible says exactly but rather an appeal to accept, approve, tolerate, affirm because it feels good or will not hurt someone. Living by what we want to be true and using that as a paradigm then wrapping Scripture around it and calling it Christian is backwards and in error always.
I don't think either answered the question, if "Can you be Gay & Christian?" was the topic. I do believe that Dr. Michael Brown brought his points across more powerfully if the basis or standard is biblical view on homosexuality. The basis for being a Christian however is to be Born Again through faith in Jesus Christ and THAT is open to all. Discipleship though is a different story and fully yielding one's self to the Holy Spirit. Speaking from personal experience, a lifestyle of homosexuality works against one's testimony as a Christian in most cases because you will hardly have "born-again" friends who are gay and your unsaved friends will be difficult to relate to in that way. It is one or the other. Jeopardizing one's eternal rewards too (not eternal salvation) is another problem.
I greatly admire Dr. Brown's stance towards the LGBT - extend them grace, but tell them God's truth, though it can hurt (but it brings healing in the end). Simple. No hate, not putting down, no discrimination. I feel sad for Knox, though, because he couldn't refute the Bible. He even accused Christians who are against homosexuality as idolizing the Bible. The Bible is God's Word. Everything the Holy Spirit impresses in our hearts must be compared with what the Bible says, since it is God=breathed, therefore it is infallible.
A "Holy" Spirit on "Gay".. this is a hard one!.. guys we need to discuss basic meanings of the words here :)
@28:16 for some reason I thought it was so cliché ending his speech “what would Jesus do?!” 🙄
Wait why is it a sin if it doesn’t hurt anyone at all just love?
FAMILY? according to the Cambridge dictionary:
(family noun
a group of people who are related to each other, such as a mother, a father, and their children:)
No mention of two same sex idiots. Accepting gay marriage will mean, many definitions will need to be changed!
+Oscar Radikoro wait so the mother and the father need to be related to each other to be considered a family?
+Oscar Radikoro According to the Bible, marriage is ordained by God to be between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:4-6). Gay marriage/same-sex marriage is a perversion of the institution of marriage and an offense to the God who created marriage. As Christians, we are not to condone or ignore sin. Rather, we are to share the love of God and the forgiveness of sins that is available to all, including homosexuals, through Jesus Christ. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15) and contend for truth with “gentleness and respect” (1 Peter 3:15). As Christians, when we make a stand for truth and the result is personal attacks, insults, and persecution, we should remember the words of Jesus: “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you” (John 15:18-19).
Only religious heterosexuals like Andrea Yates should be allowed to have children. And when God gives the word, be like her and don't hesitate to drown all five of your babies in the bathtub.
She had a mental illness. That was not God's "word" to her for her to do that. Geez, you know that is
an exaggeration to the max. That isn't even relevant. God IS NOT the author of evil, neither hers nor your mockery.
As a christian, are you going to follow the Cambridge dictionary or the teachings of Christ in the gospels? When it comes to family, he taught something radically different from the definition of family you took from the dictionary and posted here. And since you claim to be his, you should know where it is in the gospels he said it without a "homosexual" like me giving you the reference like I easily could.
I know this isn't the point of the debate, but my goodness does the moderator not understand the Constitution, or the history of the _1st Amendment_ (not "Article I of the Bill of Rights").
ETA: "Equity"? "Social justice"? This debate was in _2007_ & I had no idea these concepts were mainstream enough in 2007 to be used casually in a debate.
The Kingdom of GOD is, will be and Always shall be a THEOCRACY...And Harry Knox will NOT be a part of it because he denies who GOD is and presupposes that his "Feelings" have a moral right over The Truth of GOD'S Word...And if he wants "Justice" he Will get it from GOD...He better be careful what he asks for...Because in this case, GOD will grant him his wish...And he won't like the answer...
He likes to read the story in Gen 19; he should keep in mind what happened when they came near the house to break down the door,
BTW if there was such a thing as UNCONDITIONAL LOVE OF GOD....."NOBODY AND THAT MEANS NOBODY WILL GO TO HELL" which if we really believe in GOD the GOD in the BIBLE, we know that heaven and hell exist and we should fear the judgement of GOD, because when our time is over, there is no way to go back and repent, it is already to late.
How is it that there are precisely 666 comments before this one?
And after I added the 667 comment, the total of 666 did not change?
Micheal Brown, You amazingly addressed the topic from your beginning to end with excellent well grounded points with carrying and respects , “ Can you be a Christian and a gay “ But Mr. Herry begins with fear safety complaints and his goal and message is whether you like it or not, the Bible supports or not a gay can be Christian. What so surprise me he is a gay and he want be a Christian then he devaluated the writers of Christian book without respect. And even he can’t provide enough answers how to be come gay and Christian at the same time . So Mr. Herry Your free will and free Choices can not destroy the value of others or hijacking that is what you exercising right now . I hope the most high opens the heart of your eyes to see the evil agenda of Satan .
The "Dr." seems overly concerned about being called lazy. Either way NYU must be proud.
How sad that Harry Knox is so proud of deceiving himself and including the Holy Spirit as a party to his deceptive thinking. The loving, grace-filled intro by Michael Brown was intelligent, thoughtful, logical, truthful, and revealing of the intentions of God and His creation. We all fall short of the glory of God, but as the Bible states in John 14: 15-16 “If you love me, obey me; and I will ask the Father and he will give you another Comforter, and he will never leave you. 17 He is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit who leads into all truth. The world at large cannot receive him, for it isn’t looking for him and doesn’t recognize him. But you do, for he lives with you now and some day shall be in you. 18 No, I will not abandon you or leave you as orphans in the storm-I will come to you. 19 In just a little while I will be gone from the world, but I will still be present with you. For I will live again-and you will too. 20 When I come back to life again, you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. 21 The one who obeys me is the one who loves me; and because he loves me, my Father will love him; and I will too, and I will reveal myself to him.”
22 Judas (not Judas Iscariot, but his other disciple with that name) said to him, “Sir, why are you going to reveal yourself only to us disciples and not to the world at large?”
23 Jesus replied, “Because I will only reveal myself to those who love me and obey me. The Father will love them too, and we will come to them and live with them. 24 Anyone who doesn’t obey me doesn’t love me. And remember, I am not making up this answer to your question! It is the answer given by the Father who sent me.
25 “I am telling you these things now while I am still with you. 26 But when the Father sends the Comforter[a] instead of me-and by the Comforter I mean the Holy Spirit-he will teach you much, as well as remind you of everything I myself have told you.
Can you be Gay and Christian? NO, only God can answer that and l just gave His answer, have to repent stay away from same sex relationship
+Star Dust Yes, most definitely can a person be gay & a Christian. They can also be a gossiper, maligner, murderer, pedophile, gambler, hater, etc. & be a Christian. God does not take very kindly for people to be misrepresenting His word, the Bible. Immature believers do that a lot. I'd suggest you go learn Bible doctrine & not open your mouth or write anything like this again until you know the "truth". Thanks.
Loving Reason Water Bearer The only way to be a true Christian is to repent of sins, has nothing to do with hate. To continue in sins do NOT make you a Christian.. and for gays to seek out Christians to sue them is not a Christian that also have nothing to do with hate, They are NOT Christian and their god is money.. But they have no guts to go ask a Muslims to serve them in their gays rights.. where are they then. You think Obama will let them sue muslims where is that hate, it is truth...
+Star Dust
Why discriminate?
Anyone can be a Christian. Anyone can follow Jesus, gay or straight. Jesus died for all men, not just hetero men.
You assume that relationships MUST consist of sex. That is how perverse the world is. Not all gay relationships are about sex. It is only the perverse Heterosexuals who think its all about sex because they are sexual people.
+Adam Goodword The bible, the very foundation of the Christian faith does speak against such things Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. this doesn't only go for the Gay (homosexual), but also the strait not turning to such abominations as well, so no, you cannot be in the practise of any sin and be Christian, but if you turn from it, you will after repentance and accepting of Jesus Christ be forgiven and saved.
Adam Goodword Jesus is not twitter nor instagram for all to just follow and not change. Even with twitter and other sites, they have their own terms and conditions. if you don't accept, you can't join.
Mr. Knox, you don't advocate for the rights of one group while stepping on the rights of others.
My question is..What other sins are we allowed to Justify...? Is everything on the board now? Is everything permissable..or is it up to the Gay community to decide that for us as well..? Or does God get a say so in anything.anymore..
This guy is not a debater. He's just talking.