Tisas Stingray: Encore or Prelude?
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I'm glad that we still have people that are interested in the commander style 1911s. Tisas appears to be doing it right.
They're still the best designed gun imo.
If it is part of their concealment line, why is it stamped "carry?" Or is that just what they stamp all of their concealed line?
@@roncrawford2416 The term "Carry" doesn't necessarily fit with the CCW definition. There are some states that allow and encourage open carry.
I have this gun in .45ACP. I really like it, although I did make some changes to customize it to my liking. No problem with fitment of aftermarket 1911 parts.
I got one of these about 2 months ago. I am in love with this gun. I would recommend getting different magazines. The 1911 9mm extended base mags from the Tisas site are way easier to load and seem like they are better quality and are only 23 bucks. This is an amazing shooting gun if you are on the fence about getting one get it, I have no clue why this gun does not cost twice what they are selling it for.
Purchased a B45BA last year, the Stingray in 45ACP. I will note the only difference is the 45 version doesn't use a ramped barrel. I am quite pleased with mine and it is now in the carry rotation after a few months of field testing for function and reliability. The only thing I am considering changing is the thumb safety; I prefer a single sided thumb safety, and plan on installing a Harrison wide-plate single side. Other than that, I am definitely pleased with the Stingray.
I hadn't heard of the Stingray before. Looks sweet. I must admit, I was hoping for a double stack 9mm. But maybe I can find a couple backup 20 round single stack mags somewhere? 😊
Can't wait to see your range groups and opinions. Thanks HR 👍
Double stack 9mm is now seen on the Tisas USA web site. First review is in January 2023 Guns&Ammo magazine. Three models available initially. Looks fantastic!
Very interested in your shooting impressions. I'm a bit of a 1911 snob. But, I now own two Tisas pistols. My youngest son bought a Stingray, and I couldn't find anything wrong with it. Honestly, part of me would like to hate on it, but I can't. My Stingray has now digested over a thousand rounds without issue. They're not custom guns. But, they're solid service grade 1911s for Glock money. Hard to complain. Now, if you want to try a really sweet shooting Tisas, try the all steel Tank Commander in 9mm.
Thanks! I’ve got a Tank Commander in .45 and I really like it.
Tisas absolutely does a great job with their 1911’s.they put a lot into a great price.these are great project guns,too make how you like for a great base price and good starting point,or just buy and leave it alone
You know I have been a Tisas fan since my first purchase about six years ago. A fully loaded stainless steel .45 with rail for the unheard of (at least to me) prices of $450. Two Mec-Gar mags, two sets of grips and a pretty complete kit. The FFL where I had it shipped was more than a little impressed. Now if I could only find a NIB Stainless Regent.......
I'm on my way to pick mine up from my FFL in 15 minutes.
My second Tisas. Great value.
Good for you. Please let me know what you think of it.
I have the B45BA - an impulse buy at my LGS. This was my first Tisas to accompany several other 1911s. I’ve had my Kimber Super Carry Pro for about 8 years and was using it as my off duty carry for about 5. I really like this gun and have found it is on par with Kimber (I know - don’t hate me). This is after the addition of a couple Wilson Combat springs and guide rod upgrades. I’ve bought 3 other Tisas 1911s and after watching this, maybe I’ll get a Stingray in 9mm. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts after putting some rounds down range!
Another great review Chief. I have this Stingray and other Tisas 1911’s They are well made and I can’t believe the price point on this brand is not higher. You really can’t go wrong with this brand.
I agree. Thanks for watching!
I've owned Tisas 1911 pistols since 2015. In terms of quality and value for dollar I don't think anything else on the market comes close. Now that they have supposedly eliminated all mim parts, the value is even greater. That Stingray looks great and I'm confident that it will shoot as great as it looks.
Can't wait for part 2, I'm very curious about the recoil behavior with aluminium frame, commander size and 9mm compared to more common 1911 variants! I have a 5" Tisas 1911 from their "target" line and a 4" Tisas 1911 in 9mm, both steel-framed and I love them all. Both guns came with mec-gar marked magazines. Greetings from Austria, Europa, home of Steyr Aug Z (Stg77).
Greetings! The information you are requesting will be included in the next video.
Great video. Since you're in touch with the importer, I would like to see you eventually review the Tisas Desperado and/or Tisas Regulator. It comes with two barrels in .38 Super and 9x19mm.
So would I! Stay tuned.
Excellent presentation. Based on your Raider presentation last year, I acquired a brace and have enjoyed them immensely. I'm sorely tempted to acquire a pair of these now, thank you.
My pleasure. You might want to watch the remainder of this evaluation to see how the Stingray performs.
@@hrfunk looking forward to it! I've recently acquired a pair of ATI Moxies - hybrid 1911s. If you haven't tried them, you may consider one.
Barring mechanical issues, I'm curious how these compare to my WC X series.
One plus a backup plus one more just in case - a sort of paraphrase from Jeff Cooper. That's what he is quoted as saying about finding a carry gun (usually a 1911) that that you really like.
That Tisas Stingray looks like a nicely made 1911. I agree that I also don't like full length guide rods on 1911's and in fact all my Kimber 1911's have been switched to GI with Wolf 16lbs. chrome silicon recoil springs. Also, I change the flat MSH for a curved MSH as I prefer that with my 5" 1911's. Looking forward to more details on this Tisas. Thanks and happy 2024.
Thanks! Happy 2024 to you as well.
If you keep reviewing Tisas I'm gonna eventually have to get one. That Bobtail has long fascinated me & I've always preferred the guns with bushings over the bushingless 4 inch barrels anyway. The range session should be good. Thanks as always.
Fight the urge to buy a Tisas as long as you can! Once you give in and buy one, you’re going to want more of them!
@hrfunk yessir, I'm familiar with that. I bought one 1911 20 years ago & it multiplied.
I own this one and love it! Hope they do a double stack version.
They do have a double stack it's just not the sting ray
@@creature-hm1xb and it’s pretty good, the MAC version is even better!
I truly remain dumbfounded on how Tisas can produce such high-quality pieces at such affordable prices. I have the Tanker in .45acp, and 2 "Tank Commanders" in 9mm and 45acp. My agency qualifies 4 times a year. After the qual is taken care of, the fun begins. I've been taking my Tisas 1911s and shooting them, and letting other agents shoot them. Have not had a single malfunction and I personally rate them as some of by best shooting guns. I definitely keep my eye on Tisas to see if there is anything new they may come out with that I might be interested in. Thank you for the video Sir!!
My pleasure. Thanks for watching!
Thanks HR. I'm still looking to add an aluminum frame, Commander size, 1911 to my collection. This looks like a nice one. I would choose the .45 ACP version.👍I look forward to the rest of your series.
*Just a "note" about imported "Series 70" 1911s.*
ALL imported guns MUST PASS a drop test. The imported _Series 70_ pistols do this in one of two ways.
1. Titanium firing pin. The lighter weight firing pin does not develop enough inertia to fire the pistol when dropped on the muzzle. The bad news is they add $30-35 to the cost of the pistol and the manufacturers are usually trying to meet a certain price point (which is WHY they didn't install a mechanical Series 80 type system)
2. A heavier than normal firing pin spring and a heavier than normal hammer spring (mainspring) to overcome the firing pin spring. For the manufacturer, this basically a -0- cost compliance move. The bad news is that it can increase trigger pull weight (since the hammer/sear is under greater tension) and make it very challenging to reinstall the firing pin after removal for cleaning.
You can check this HR, and let us know. If it uses the heavier springs...that is easy to fix by installing a standard firing pin spring and 15 lb. mainspring. To maintain "drop safe", also install a titanium firing pin. I would also recommend replacing the recoil spring, as the hammer will now be easier to cock. Use the spring weight recommended for the loads you will be using. Total cost is under $60 and will result in basically a "trigger job", easier slide manipulation and easier disassembly/reassembly for routine maintenance.
When buying a firing pin, be sure to measure the diameter of the tip of the factory firing pin with a calipers and make sure you get the right size. A too large firing pin won't work and a too small firing pin will cause primer cratering and even pierced primers.
I’ll check, but I THINK the Stingray uses a titanium firing pin.
@@hrfunk If it is titanium it will definitely be a gray/silver-ish color and If you can easily remove and replace the firing pin, it is a titanium pin with a standard spring.
If the spring and firing pin are launched into orbit, when you try to take it out, it's a heavy spring.
I always aim the rear of the slide at an empty box on the bench to catch any launched firing pins!
@@garyK.45ACP It appears to be titanium. It has a nice light firing pin spring and the pin itself weighs 34.5 grains (less than .08 ounces).
@@hrfunk 👍
That is a good looking 1911 HR, Tisas continues to impress me! 😊
FYI: I sold my Dan Wesson Specialist, wanting a 1911 with an optic, I replaced it with a Kimber KHX Custom RL with a Trijicon RMR.
the Tisas cases are solid construction, very appreciated
Tisas has really impressed me, i got the px-9 duty semi automatic,and i am blown away, it shoots better than guns that cost 3x as much, im absolutely going to get into the 1911's next
This may be the one that gets me to try a Tisas. Happy New Year. Great content.
Thanks Elmer. Same to you!
It’s certainly a nice looking pistol. Looking forward to the range review.
Thanks Ben. Part-2 will be up on Saturday morning.
Good news I got a notification from CZcams for this👍
Stingray Carry 9 bobtail commander. Eats everything from armscore to hst's. Accurate even with the 3 dot sights. Lightweight aluminum frame. Always wanted a 9mm bobtail commander. Never expected this one to be as awesome as it is.
Super interested in the new DS offerings from Tisas.
Great video as always HR,thanks!...
We have same taste in handguns and long rifles I’ve noticed..I love that one and reminds me of my 4” emp ccc..there little pricey but handy
As a key witness in an Army CID investigation, I carried a concealed Colt Combat Commander until the investigation was dropped. Years earlier, I learned to shoot a 1911 with a Colt Match Target, and carried a standard model as a senior Army officer. Loved the gun, never did figure out why so many didn't like it. In any case, it worked well for me.
Looks good!! 🎉🎉
nice to see that Carlos is watching your six there in the background.that looks like a nice pistol ,ive already got a 9mm that i bought years ago so i dont think ill need another one but if i was in the market for one that might be one id consider
Looks good and I like the grip shape, seems like a good shooter also, thanks for the great video!👍👍
My pleasure. Thanks for watching!
I'm looking forward to part two!
Happy New Year HR. Looking forward to another year of great videos. Do you like the recessed slide release on the Tisas? I think it makes takedown a little harder and I don't mind the bump of the standard length sticking out of the frame. Stay warm at the range today, it's supposed to be cold. Maybe give some tips on concealed carry under winter clothing.😂
The slide stop doesn't bother me. I'm able to remove it easily enough. I'll probably have to make that "Cold Weather Carry" video in the future. I'm going to be in a bit of a time crunch today.
Enlude, perhaps? Prencore? Haha, either way, notifications on, as always!😁
I am picking up the Tisas C10 Yukon carry this weekend. And I can’t wait to fire it
HR your collection of Tisas is growing. I have 2 45 ACP Us Army and Duty. Both are NIB . I need to get to the range.
My first firearm purchase when I finally moved to Florida was the ruger sr1911 lightweight commander in 45. Gotten pretty beat up over the years but still one my favorite in my carry rotation, stock except for a set of "wicked grips" highly recommended them definitely a "wickedgrip" almost sharp in the palms 😂
VERY NICE VIDEO & REVIEW BROTHERMAN!! IM GETING ONE THIS WEEK IN 45acp!!!! BEST REGARDS, Howard M.😊👍👍👍👍🤟🤘😃🙃😁
I hope you love it!
Have the same gun, like it very much. Keep waiting for it to break or fail in some way cause just can’t believe a gun can be so good for so little money!??!
Catching replay just missed premier
Enjoyed your table top review, HR. I have the Stingray .45 ACP carry model and really like it. Health problems have kept me away from the range a lot lately so I only have about 200 rounds through it with Win White Box 230 gr. Although the 45 is a few ounces lighter than the 9 mm I didn't find the recoil objectionable at all. I bought it for a fun gun at the range not for a carry gun and I think I'm really going to enjoy it. One thing you didn't mention that might be a point of interest, there are no MIM parts in this handgun. They are all forged steel which is surprising for a pistol at this price point. Mine has slicked up nicely. I have done a lot of dry fire exercises since I have unable to go to the range and it is really nice now.
Thanks Clint. I’m going to cover the MIM issue in an upcoming video.
That looks like something i might need to check out in the near future...Excellent reviews. You're doing, hands down the best, most thorough gun reviews on youtube. Much appreciated! Thank you.
Thank you so much. I’m glad you like them.
Can you get your hands on a Tisas 9mm double stack? So far, the testing I've seen is just pitiful and I'd love to see YOU test one. Your testing is exceptional and I think the new BR9 DS might be an incredible carry pistol. Keep up the good work!
Will do. I’m hoping to get one of those new Tisas pistols. Stay tuned!
Every time im interested in a gun you have a video on it. I own a daly hi power a s&w 745 and was just about to purchase this tisas.
Unreal
Great minds!
It is one good looking firearm.
Very nice, very similar to the Springfield EMP 4 or Springfield Ronin without the Springfield price tag.
I have a Tank Commander and a B9R Carry with each of them over 1000 rounds. great weapons that are well built and reliable. great video !!!! 🙂
Thank you!
@@hrfunk Semper Fi, my Brother ...... 🙂
Would love to see a CCO version.
Thanks, good review of the pistol. Can't wait to see you shoot it.
This seems to be an excellent 1911A1 commander-size 9x199mm semiautomatic. After the shop review, my immediate thought was - and remains - “What’s not to like?,” which certainly has been substantiated by the entire Tisas 1911 line. In fact premising good accuracy and reliability, I’d suggest that might be a great lawful-defensive EDC weapon (although, Heaven knows, I am already far-oversubscribed in that category). And for those who suggest 9+1 is inadequate capacity, I’d ask what percentage of legal defensive encounters require even six rounds to be successfully resolved?
I'll be working on the range report today. We'll see if the performance is in keeping with the appearance and features.
*HR THERE IS A RECALL GOING ON TISAS 1911S, ONE OF THE MODELS LISTED IS THE RAIDER, TISAS SAYS WEAPON GOING OFF WHILE CHAMBERING A ROUND, THEY HAVE A FORM ON WEBSITE, THEY WILL PROVIDE PACKING LABEL, INSPECT AND REPLACE ANY DEFECTIVE PARTS FREE OF CHARGE I HOPE YOU READ THIS COMMENT ASAP, AND LET EVERYONE ELSE KNOW*
I know. Earlier this year, I produced videos to inform Tisas 1911 owners of the recall. Here's a link to the most recent one: czcams.com/video/ARVyh00AU9g/video.htmlsi=plWTDNUD6mgCMq-l
@@hrfunk okay just wanted to make sure you were aware, and didn't want you finding out the hard way
👍👍 Thanks HR, a great start to 2024.
the stingray is a very nice looking gun from the colour scheme to the machining on it
I think so too.
I've had my eye on this one since I got my first Tisas , which is a Raider. I really like the 4.25 inch .... I don't think I can wait till you post the other videos , I'm afraid I'm just going to go get it. I might have a problem......
Naa. You seem perfectly normal to me.
I'm not to concerned about the optic cuts. Really rather not have one on it. If I ever see it in the shop I'm going to be getting one. Great video
Thank you!
Bic lighter edge with 6000grit belt for the work sharp will lay perfectly in feed ramps…9mm best but I’ve done my 10mms too..
I'll be catching up tonight! Just Binge Watched Reacher on Prime this. Got to watch everything I can before Free Trial runs out 😅
They also make this in 45ACP, which I really want. Would also like one in 38 Super!
I really like the fish scales scallops,I can put some grip tape on the front of the frame but I’d like the scallops on the front of the slide,but maybe it would look weird
I've shot so many 1911's with a plain front strap that I don't think much about it. I do like the look and feel of the fish-scallop slide cuts. Thanks for watching!
Can't wait for the range video. Love it.
Happy New Year's devil dog. I was wondering if you ever do knife reviews or flashlight reviews of stuff you carry on duty. Thank you
I think I did one knife review. Even my mother didn’t watch that one. On the other hand, I have several video reviews of Olight products. If you search my channel, you’ll find them.
Nice thorough review. Next up... is it a tack driver.
Stay tuned Ray!
Happy New Year. Great Video as usual. I have two suggestions and a question. Suggestion 1: For us lefties could you try to engage the magazine release with your left index finger when you review. It is pretty important because if is too hard to do it makes reloading a pain and if it is too easy then there is a risk of inadvertently dropping the weight. Suggestion 2: could you provide some context to the trigger pull weight. Perhaps tell us what a Glock 19 and typical revolver trigger weight might be by comparison. Question: Do you know why 3 dot sights use dots instead of rectangles? It seems to me like three rectangles would allow a shooter to just make a line to ensure that the everything was aligned.
I'll try to remember that test for lefties. As an FYI, I just checked the mag release on the Stingray with my left index finger. In my estimation, it should be just right in terms of magazine retention and ease of use.
Regarding trigger pull weights, it's a little hard to compare because the break of all those triggers are different. The single-action pull on most revolvers is very short and light, whereas the double-action pull is long and heavy. The glock triggers usually break around 5 or 6 pounds, but the release is creepy and sort of indistinct. The single-action semi-autos normally break cleanly, so even if they are a bit on the heavy side, they still fell pretty good. All this to say it's not easy to make a comparison across varying platforms.
When it comes to sights, there have been all manner of bars, lines, dots, etc. used over the years. The trick is finding something that allows the shooter to rapidly acquire a proper sight picture while providing a reasonable level of precision. Considering that all shooters may have slightly different vision, the prospect of finding one system that works well for everyone is a lofty goal. For years 3-dot sights were pretty much the industry standard for defensive use (excluding Glock, of course). Most shooters can at least obtain adequate results from such sights. For those who prefer something different, there are many aftermarket options for most popular firearms.
@@hrfunk Thanks for taking the time for such a detailed reply! Much appreciated.
That's a very handsome pistol. I also like the way they did the colors and I especially like those grips. I'm not a fan of the multicolored/multilayered ones their other 1911s seem to come with.
These look cool and they’re also quite functional. Thanks for watching!
I’ve been told that the magazines are Mec-Gar. However, I have added actual Mec-Gar mags and the followers are different.
I’m not sure who makes them, but they seem to be pretty good quality.
The audio interference may be from the lighting in your studio, or some other power supply for something. Start hunting with whatever is new in the room.
that's the odd thing. There was nothing new or different. I'm wondering if there may have been some radio interference coming from outside. Maybe a utility truck or something.
Have the Duty stainless and recently got the 9ds
How do you like the 9DS?
It is different for me being accustomed to the thiner 1911 frame but it is growing on me. The trigger is a little for the liking but it hasn't got broken in yet
Awesome review as usual! Do you think you could kanage to get one of the Tisas double stack 1911s on the channel? They might still he too new. I only just saw them.
Maybe.stay tuned.
Nice looking "piece" HR!
I came close to buying one in November. I can kick myself for not getting one.
I have the same gun but in 45. One thing people need to know is that the sights on them are not Novak Sights. The are a copy and not a close copy at that. Otherwise it’s an excellent pistol. Other major manufacturers also use fake Novak Sight. Like Kimber, Les Bear , Night Hawk. And more.
Novak used to have a list of manufacturers using counterfeit sights on their website. I don't know if it's still there.
@@hrfunk It’s still there.
Nice start to the new year! Why do you dislike a full length guide rod?
I think I’ll do a “short” to answer that.
@@hrfunk Ok I'll watch
Enjoyed the video very much. How difficult is it to rack the slide (when trigger is not cocked)? Thanks.
I don't think it's difficult, but opinions may vary.
Hi HR, can you do a review on the Yukon, their compact 10mm 1911? Thanks
I’ll see if I can come up with one. Stay tuned!
I am getting a warm and tingly feeling , can my wallet support this....
They claim that their 1911’s has no MIM parts. If that’s true, that’s pretty impressive for the price. Unsure if that’s always been the case prior to 2024 but their rep at SHOT stated they listened to their customers and all their 1911’s have forged slide, frame, barrel and parts. My Dan Wesson 9mm Guardian cost me $1600+ and it has no MIM parts.
In this video, I do a complete disassembly to the Stingray. You can see the parts for yourself: czcams.com/video/crsSCX9O-5k/video.html
Thanks HR! I watched that video and was very impressed. Always enjoy your unbiased reviews and knowledge in both the firearms industry and Law Enforcement.
Hey @sdsimports I was literally looking up Specs on this Commander Length Stingray in .45 last night..... @hrfunk can you put in a word in see if they would let me get a T&E barrow in person or through local shop?
I’ll see what I can do. I know they have a limited number of test samples.
The mags look like an ed brown magazine
Could be. There are no manufacturers markings on them.
I'd like to know why Tisas chrome plates their barrels. Not to be confused with chrome lining, the complete barrel is chromed like a bumper. Who else does that?
I have no idea.
The mags might be marked under the bumper pads.
I’ll take a look and let you know.
Got this in 45. Last round from 8 round mags have been not feeding. Hope this goes away with break in.
It will probably go away. You can also try different magazines to see if that cures the problem.
@@hrfunk I just got some new mags in, hope to try them out soon. They also make this same gun with a steel frame called a Devil Ray Carry.
Looks a lot like a clone of my Kimber Super Carry Pro HD. Is this aluminum frame? The SCPHD is all stainless steel and is pretty heavy. The Kimber is 45ACP though.
Yes, it's an aluminum frame. Unloaded weight is 30 oz.
@@hrfunk I’m one step away from telling my son to bring mine back for a week or two! Lol.
Well designed and manufactured aluminum alloy frames are just fine. To cite one of many examples, most Sig P226s (9mm, .40 S&W, .357 Sig) utilize them . . . and damn few weapons have attained the P226’s stellar - and deserved - reputation for exceptional reliability, accuracy and durability.
Are there steel slide rails on the aluminum frame so it’s steel on steel, or is it steel (slide) on aluminum (frame)?
No, the steel slide rides on the aluminum frame rails.
@@hrfunk id be interested to see how that holds up. Thanks
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HR- Why do you dislike a full length guide rod so much?
I think in the vast majority of cases, they do nothing to enhance functioning. The only thing they do is add weight to the pistol, increase the price of said pistol, and complicate the disassembly/reassembly process.
@@hrfunk Did you make a short video based on me? (blush)
Partially. I’ve had others ask me the same question.
I’m not really familiar with 1911s, But does being a series 70 mean that it’s not drop safe?
Series 70 does not have the firing pin block (as introduced in the Series 80 Colt pistols). Typically, a titanium (i.e. lightweight) firing pin and a proper firing pin spring are sufficient for preventing the pistol from discharging if it is dropped. That, along with the fact that it would have to strike muzzle first while pointing straight down, is sufficient for me to not spend much time worrying about it. Other shooters have different opinions regarding this topic.
@@hrfunkThank you for that answer. I do appreciate it.👍🇺🇸
Tisas is making great 1911s. I can't wait till the DS is released
Have you seen or own The JSOC tisas
Yes, but it's actually branded as a MAC pistol.
@@hrfunk yes but I'm sure tisas manufacturers it
Does it come in Men's calibers?
It comes in 45 ACP and 10mm if those qualify.
Are Tisas decent firearms ?
In my opinion they are.
Some sort of Wilson Combat knock off?😅😂
Kind of, for about 1/5 the price.
Now if only we could buy this in Newsom's Commiefornia, where everything is illegal for the law abiding, but the criminals roam free.
beretta mag issues, please see ,y video then delete
Please send me a link. I can’t find it.
WC Professional clone
For about 1/5 the price.
Sorry, but anyone that reviews a OEM/DISTRIBUTOR provided product is playing with a cherry picked product. Buy one from a retailer like everyone of us , and we can trust you. Until then, your compromised.
I’m curious, have you sent a similar message to all the channels who routinely receive manufacturer provided samples?
@hrfunk Pretty much.
Do you not see how your opinion could be compromised? Not intentionally. But compromised nonetheless. Why not be 100% above board and remove all doubt by providing a gun review of a piece that CAN NOT BE A RINGER? You seem to be a straight shooter. Don't you see the logic?
And to be totally honest, I am not questioning your honesty.
46 hours???
That’s my regular release schedule.